The OFFICIAL... Neosd MicroSD Card thread...

Kloggmonkey

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NeoSD AES cart just came in. Works like a charm.
Using a 3-5 board revision AES with a third party power adapter with 9VDC and 1.2A

Running with a Kingston 32GB Class 10 card.
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1.05 NeoSD Firmware

Maglord: 0:22
KOF2k3: 3:03
 

Lone-Wolf

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My AES version arrived today!

Using Sandisk Extreme Plus micro SDHC UHS-1 class 10 up to 95mb/s 16gb

Firmware 1.05

KoF2003 - 2:58
Mag Lord - 0:22
 

yoshi41

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Tested NeoSD MVS + AES with some UHS-1 and UHS-3 cards.

UHS-1 seems faster than UHS-3. The cheapest is the fastest. ;)

I'm wondering why the NeoSD AES cart is slower than the MVS version. :scratch:

Crossed check on AES with stock BIOS. Same result.


AES UniBIOS 3.1 + NeoSD AES Firmware 1.05

Sandisk Ultra microSDHC UHS-1 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 3:21
Magician Lord - 0:23

Toshiba Exceria Pro microSDHC UHS-3 (16GB, Class 10) THN-M401S016

KOF 2003 - 3:23
Magician Lord - 0:25

Sandisk ExtremePro microSDHC UHS-3 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQXXG-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 3:25
Magician Lord - 0:25


AES Stock BIOS + NeoSD AES Firmware 1.05

Sandisk Ultra microSDHC UHS-1 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 3:21
Magician Lord - 0:23


Omega CMVS UniBIOS 3.3 + NeoSD MVS Firmware 1.05

Sandisk Ultra microSDHC UHS-1 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 2:49
Magician Lord - 0:20

Toshiba Exceria Pro microSDHC UHS-3 (16GB, Class 10) THN-M401S016

KOF 2003 - 2:53
Magician Lord - 0:21

Sandisk ExtremePro microSDHC UHS-3 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQXXG-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 2:55
Magician Lord - 0:21

[SUB]PS: Can't attach images. My account is still (partly) locked.[/SUB]
 

neodev

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Tested NeoSD MVS + AES with some UHS-1 and UHS-3 cards.

UHS-1 seems faster than UHS-3. The cheapest is the fastest. ;)

I'm wondering why the NeoSD AES cart is slower than the MVS version. :scratch:

Crossed check on AES with stock BIOS. Same result.


AES UniBIOS 3.1 + NeoSD AES Firmware 1.05

Sandisk Ultra microSDHC UHS-1 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 3:21
Magician Lord - 0:23

Toshiba Exceria Pro microSDHC UHS-3 (16GB, Class 10) THN-M401S016

KOF 2003 - 3:23
Magician Lord - 0:25

Sandisk ExtremePro microSDHC UHS-3 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQXXG-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 3:25
Magician Lord - 0:25


AES Stock BIOS + NeoSD AES Firmware 1.05

Sandisk Ultra microSDHC UHS-1 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 3:21
Magician Lord - 0:23


Omega CMVS UniBIOS 3.3 + NeoSD MVS Firmware 1.05

Sandisk Ultra microSDHC UHS-1 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 2:49
Magician Lord - 0:20

Toshiba Exceria Pro microSDHC UHS-3 (16GB, Class 10) THN-M401S016

KOF 2003 - 2:53
Magician Lord - 0:21

Sandisk ExtremePro microSDHC UHS-3 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQXXG-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 2:55
Magician Lord - 0:21

[SUB]PS: Can't attach images. My account is still (partly) locked.[/SUB]

Yes, AES is a bit slower flashing, that's normal. It happens because on MVS, in order to write the flashes, the MCU has direct access to the data bus and can stream data directly to the C flashes, but on AES, it goes through the sprite serializer chip and it introduces a small delay as there is a small protocol there to select which rom each value goes to.
 

yoshi41

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Yes, AES is a bit slower flashing, that's normal. It happens because on MVS, in order to write the flashes, the MCU has direct access to the data bus and can stream data directly to the C flashes, but on AES, it goes through the sprite serializer chip and it introduces a small delay as there is a small protocol there to select which rom each value goes to.

Thanks for the explanation.
 

greatfunky

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A new test with my neosd AES arrived today and a different sd card

Sandisk Exteme plus 633x 16GB
According to many users here , it's one of the fastest sd card
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NeoSD AES firmware 1.05

Load Times:

- KOF03 : 2.50
- Magician Lord: 0.22

Same result as my Transcend ultimate 600x with neosd MVS

Something interesting now :

neodev explained neosd AES is slower than MVS version
but neosd AES seems more sensible to sd cards speeds ,with 30 sec difference, between 2.50 and 3.20 depending of the brand/speed , with mvs version most of users are around 2.50 /2.55 on KOF03...:spock:
I tested that sandisk on my neo sd MVS and get 2.51 , nothing better than the Transcend.

So with a good sd card you should go as faster as the MVS version ...

(to complete the test i should test the Transcend on the AES ...but tomorow , now i'm tired:-J )
 
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neosd

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A new test with my neosd AES arrived today and a different sd card

Sandisk Exteme plus 633x 16GB
According to many users here , it's one of the fastest sd card
View attachment 42992

NeoSD AES firmware 1.05

Load Times:

- KOF03 : 2.50
- Magician Lord: 0.22

Same result as my Transcend ultimate 600x with neosd MVS

Something interesting now :

neodev explained neosd AES is slower than MVS version
but neosd AES seems more sensible to sd cards speeds ,with 30 sec difference, between 2.50 and 3.20 depending of the brand/speed , with mvs version most of users are around 2.50 /2.55 on KOF03...:spock:
I tested that sandisk on my neo sd MVS and get 2.51 , nothing better than the Transcend.

So with a good sd card you should go as faster as the MVS version ...

(to complete the test i should test the Transcend on the AES ...but tomorow , now i'm tired:-J )

Did you get the free shell ? ;)
 

mastamuzz

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My turn for times

Card Sandisk ultra 16GB

AES 3-6
King of fighters 2003 = 2:55.88
Magician Lord = 21.69
Samurai Showdown 5 SP = 2:50.77

AES 3-3
King of fighters 2003 = 2:53.46
Magician Lord = 22.62
Samurai Showdown 5 SP = 2:48.33

both systems tested with the same card and of course the same cartridge.

difference is the model and PSU as stated on the reveal thread both original PS units.

Ill test tomorrow with a vanilla sandisk and a lexar high speed

P.S. Rot I can't delete the attached images sorry they are so big
 
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xsq

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P.S. Rot I can't delete the attached images sorry they are so big
No need to PM Rot: click on "Settings" on top of the page (it's on the right next to "Log Out"), then scroll down and all the way down on the left side under "Miscellaneous" click "Attachments" ;)
 

Razoola

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This is intresting, it appears there are others experiancing the same delays I am seeing with the MVS NeoSD cart (pre version) I mentioned in the main thread reported on the AES cart here in this thread (maybe one MVS cart also).

I'm talking about the 20% slower times with kof2003 (under 3:00 compared to above 3:20). neodev mentions the AES should be a little slower so that could point to something but on the other hand others with AES carts have now reported under 3:00 times also, about equal to the MVS (20% faster). Yoshi41 has tested the same cards on a MVS and AES neoSD so the cards can be ruled out there, why is his AES NeoSD slower than other AES NeoSD?

Something strange is happening here, hopefully that can be fixed in firmware.
 
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Sceptre_JLRB

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Now's time for my times, a classic in the origin of this frenzy speed craze. :buttrock:


* System: Consolized Neo-Geo MVS MV-1F

* NeoSD-MVS firmware version: MCU 1.05 R05; 68K 1.03; Prog 1D2F; Cha BDC4

* μSD card: Toshiba Exceria M302EA, microSDHC 32 GB, UHS-I bus, Class10 U3, 90 MB/s read speed

My microSD card - Toshiba Exceria 32GB Class10 U3.jpg

* Loading times:

- KOF2003 (over itself): 02:59.07
- Magician Lord (over itself): 00:22.07
 
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Rot

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Someone needs to buy a cheapass nasty 16gb SD card from China and see how it goes...

Thanks for the contributions so far guys...

xROTx
 

mastamuzz

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Someone needs to buy a cheapass nasty 16gb SD card from China and see how it goes...

Thanks for the contributions so far guys...

xROTx

I'll do that when I get back from work!

Edit: thanks xsq I got them down!
 
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yoshi41

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This is intresting, it appears there are others experiancing the same delays I am seeing with the MVS NeoSD cart (pre version) I mentioned in the main thread reported on the AES cart here in this thread (maybe one MVS cart also).

I'm talking about the 20% slower times with kof2003 (under 3:00 compared to above 3:20). neodev mentions the AES should be a little slower so that could point to something but on the other hand others with AES carts have now reported under 3:00 times also, about equal to the MVS (20% faster). Yoshi41 has tested the same cards on a MVS and AES neoSD so the cards can be ruled out there, why is his AES NeoSD slower than other AES NeoSD?

Something strange is happening here, hopefully that can be fixed in firmware.

Your post motivated me for another test (AES with NeoSD MVS).

And guess what, it's not the console. It's the cart (most likely the firmware) which makes the big difference. :spock:


AES UniBIOS 3.1 + NeoSD AES Firmware 1.05

Sandisk Ultra microSDHC UHS-1 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 3:21
Magician Lord - 0:23


Omega CMVS UniBIOS 3.3 + NeoSD MVS Firmware 1.05

Sandisk Ultra microSDHC UHS-1 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 2:49
Magician Lord - 0:20


AES UniBIOS 3.1 + Daedalus Converter + NeoSD MVS Firmware 1.05

Sandisk Ultra microSDHC UHS-1 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 2:50
Magician Lord - 0:21
 

Razoola

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Your post motivated me for another test (AES with NeoSD MVS).

And guess what, it's not the console. It's the cart (most likely the firmware) which makes the big difference. :spock:


AES UniBIOS 3.1 + NeoSD AES Firmware 1.05

Sandisk Ultra microSDHC UHS-1 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 3:21
Magician Lord - 0:23


Omega CMVS UniBIOS 3.3 + NeoSD MVS Firmware 1.05

Sandisk Ultra microSDHC UHS-1 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 2:49
Magician Lord - 0:20


AES UniBIOS 3.1 + Daedalus Converter + NeoSD MVS Firmware 1.05

Sandisk Ultra microSDHC UHS-1 (32GB, Class 10) SDSQUNC-032G-GN6MA

KOF 2003 - 2:50
Magician Lord - 0:21

Yes I know, you have an identical issue as I have with the pre MVS cart and I think another user has the same situation who posted. neodev is sure its related to the flashchip erase times on some chips but I personally think its premature to put the blame there until its confirmed via direct testing. I really hope this can be fixed with a firmware update because the time differences are quite great.

There is something you could also test though with the AES NeoSD you have. If you flash maglord and watch the progress bar, do you see two erase cycles? One right at the start and another that lasts a moment around 50% through the flashing process?
 

greatfunky

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I just tested my transcend card from my neo sd MVS on my neosd AES and i get again 2.50 on KOF03 , so two different sd cards (sandisk and transcend ) on both neosd version give me the same result .

The only thing i could say is what neodev was explaining about speed difference between MVS and AES version is certainly true but in fact , probably not really visually noticeable (on two perfectly working neosd carts).

So yes , the speed issue should be somewhere else , concerning independently MVS or AES neosd carts...
 
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yoshi41

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There is something you could also test though with the AES NeoSD you have. If you flash maglord and watch the progress bar, do you see two erase cycles? One right at the start and another that lasts a moment around 50% through the flashing process?

Tried a couple of times. Don't have that extra erase cycle with my AES cart.
 

yoshi41

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Did some more testing after I saw the longer loading time could be related to low serials.

KOF 2003 also needs 3:20 to load on my 60K serial AES models.
 

mastamuzz

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updated times on other cards! includes china clone and old 1 Gig!

lexar633x
0:22.12
2:54.78

china clone 4gig class 4
0:22.15
2:53.82

lexar300x 16gig
0:22.02
2:56.66

blackweb 16gig class 10
0:22.39
2:56.81

vanilla sandisk 1gig
0:22.22
2:56.90

yes the china clone had better time on kof2003
 

Rot

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OK... cheapass is best... got it...

NEW Motto:p

xROTx
 
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