Recall info for SSVS AES

Verythrax

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gmw said:
It's a good idea to read and understand the posts you're "critiquing." I'm in agreement with you (weirdly enough):

1. SNKP should do everything they can to satisfy annoyed customers.
2. Shawn and the Neostore aren't responsible for a stupid development decision.

Shawn IS responsible as far he is the reseller of the product. A reseller MUST be a channel to refunding for faulty items bought through him.

But I can't blame him for not accepting a full refund now. People that wanted refund must had asked it right away. It's too smart to just wait what will happens and just ask for it anytime you want. Waiting is a bet, with your refunding option at stake.

We are all grateful for Shawn being able to the the US releases scene alive and such, but it's not a favor - people pays big money for it.
 

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Verythrax said:
Shawn IS responsible as far he is the reseller of the product. A reseller MUST be a channel to refunding for faulty items bought through him.

But I can't blame him for not accepting a full refund now. People that wanted refund must had asked it right away. It's too smart to just wait what will happens and just ask for it anytime you want. Waiting is a bet, with your refunding option at stake.

We are all grateful for Shawn being able to the the US releases scene alive and such, but it's not a favor - people pays big money for it.

OK, fair enough - this is a better way of putting it.
 
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I'm not sure if this has been covered yet, but how long will it take to get the reprogrammed version back?
 

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Hmmmm.... perhaps SNKP should consider printing more cart stickers for this game. That way they could easily get around the "crease" thing. Hey, just toss the replacement sticker in the box with the repaired game. Shawn, I'll be sending mine in for the fix ... fingers crossed ...
 

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Tiptonium said:
Hmmmm.... perhaps SNKP should consider printing more cart stickers for this game. That way they could easily get around the "crease" thing. Hey, just toss the replacement sticker in the box with the repaired game. Shawn, I'll be sending mine in for the fix ... fingers crossed ...

I don't want them to toss a new sticker into the box, I just want them to remove the old one, dump it, and put a new one on the cart. As long as it is an original sticker then it should be fine IMHO.
 

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It's funny, I would have been very happy to pay $359 for an "arcade perfect" homecart of this game. How many people in the world could say that? Only the people that they are fucking. You'd think that all the God-damned kiddy porn on store shelves in Japan would cause much more of an uproar than some 16-bit violence.

Enjoy your $359 paper-weight when Playmore digs a deeper hole and releases the Arcade perfect PS2 port. First I bought Samurai Shodown V for over $300, then they go and release a superior version less than 6 months later, then not even release the MVS and AES as the same game??

Why is it that any 4 year-old can drop a quarter in the arcade machine and see the violence, but adults who shovel over $359 for an overpriced arcade exact version are the ones forced to tolerate the censoring? Not cool Playmore, not cool.

Sorry Playmore, but you got it completely wrong. Children don't have the money to buy the homecarts, they just have the money to play it in arcades...
 

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Shawn / Everyone Else:

Gamespot mentioned that SSVS had some lock up bugs (indicating to me that the AES needs to be reset to be functional again); has anyone seen this? (I don't mean people that had to clean the pins).
 

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If you perform a fatality (generic) in practice mode, you will either be forced to reset the console, or wait a long long time for a respawn.
 

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About the 'new' stock being recalled to Japan for reprogramming.

A brand-new item is supposted to be unopened and untouched.

At this rate, no brand-new fixed version can ever exist. I guess Shawn himself is returning to SNKP just the carts, not the complete set (with manual and snaplock) for each game.

I suggest Shawn at least to mark each cart (both side of the shell) with any adhesive tag with a code coupling it with the corrisponded snaplock/manual set.

This would at least assure all the 'fixed' new-carts in stock will still be presented in their original 'set' (unswapped).

But according to:

Shawn said:
If you would like your exact cartridge returned after reprogramming, attach a well secured label with your order # or full name (or both) as shown at left.
If no label is attached, you will receive a cartridge in random aesthetic condition from our unmarked supply of returns, only functionality will be guaranteed.

it seems SNKP is going the sloppy way. These is NO GUARANTEE the *boards* of each cart themselvef will not be swapped inbetween carts and carts, unless each bard is as well tagged at its bottom (the edge connectors).

From a collector point of view, this is one horrible scenario.

1) Real brand-new unopened untoched fixed cart will NEVER exist.

2) Fixed carts cannot be guaranteed even to be 'unswapped' in theor parts!

Shawn, you should seriously consider to tag EACH part of EACH cart you're sending back individually, coupling each with each corrispondent case/manual! That is: both side of the cart shell and both edge connectors!

I have two bugged copies, and I'm keeping both. I would likely buy a NEW RUN FIXED CART, but a 'randomly swapped patched' item is another story... :crying:

Neverless, I think the ONLY and ORIGINAL 'untouched, original' of this release will remain the glitched one...
 
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Shito said:
A brand-new item is supposted to be unopened and untouched.

At this rate, no brand-new fixed version can ever exist. I guess Shawn himself is returning to SNKP just the carts, not the complete set (with manual and snaplock) for each game.

I don't really think this matters that much to the mortal-and-not-so-anal users. This release is so fucked up to begin with that not many people should care. It would require a lot of time and man-work to do all this. On the end, all games are made of different parts at some point, then they are assembled together. I don't see the big deal, of course some people do. To each their own.
 

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ResOGlas said:
It's funny, I would have been very happy to pay $359 for an "arcade perfect" homecart of this game. How many people in the world could say that? Only the people that they are fucking. You'd think that all the God-damned kiddy porn on store shelves in Japan would cause much more of an uproar than some 16-bit violence.

Enjoy your $359 paper-weight when Playmore digs a deeper hole and releases the Arcade perfect PS2 port. First I bought Samurai Shodown V for over $300, then they go and release a superior version less than 6 months later, then not even release the MVS and AES as the same game??

Why is it that any 4 year-old can drop a quarter in the arcade machine and see the violence, but adults who shovel over $359 for an overpriced arcade exact version are the ones forced to tolerate the censoring? Not cool Playmore, not cool.

Sorry Playmore, but you got it completely wrong. Children don't have the money to buy the homecarts, they just have the money to play it in arcades...

I have to agree with your comments. I can see that you are pretty upset about the whole thing (I am too) but your posts in this thread have pretty much hit the nail on the head and expressed exactly how I feel about the issue. SNKP really is totally out of touch with its hard core fanbase, and it shows by this decision. All of which makes their future look pretty shaky to me, at best . . . :oh_no:
 

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ResOGlas said:
Why is it that any 4 year-old can drop a quarter in the arcade machine and see the violence, but adults who shovel over $359 for an overpriced arcade exact version are the ones forced to tolerate the censoring? Not cool Playmore, not cool.

Sorry Playmore, but you got it completely wrong. Children don't have the money to buy the homecarts, they just have the money to play it in arcades...

Man, it' SO simple I honestly fail in getting how they possibly didn't realize it in the first place...
 

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I hope that SNKP, would hear our complaints and bitching and all loud and clear because we loyal neo-geo fans have always trusted and supported SNKP, and we pay a HUGE money for it. So instead of bring us the best of the best ever in SSVS, with a fullest fatalities, THEY (SNKP) stab us neo-geo fans in the back. You know (Japan) are known to live-side-by-side with violence video and movies namely (Japanese Anime) so just because some crazy minded school kid kill another classmate and SNKP, got so sad or rather upset that they take away our fun. The FACTS of life is that there will always be violence in movies,video games and even in real life experience for some of us out there so live&learn SNKP. On the bottom line so guys what do you think about we go uprising on'em SNKP bastards because they deserve it. :angry:
 

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Shito said:
Man, it' SO simple I honestly fail in getting how they possibly didn't realize it in the first place...

I'm not sure if I'm going to make any sense, but I think the main difference between arcades and home carts is liability. Arcade operators hold some liability in instances where a child might be exposed to inappropriate violence, arcades are public areas where law enforcement is possible. For home carts, SNKP are completely liable for the contents of what they produce because there is no way for anyone but SNKP to legally police the content, thus all the responisibility falls on the shoulders of whoever manufactured the product... I can imagine SNKP's lawyers being concerned that their home carts (which SNKP accepts full responibility for liability purposes) will possibly be at the root of a huge lawsuit because some kid popped the cart into their NG, played it, and decided to slice his neighbor in half just like the videogame. When something like this happens, you can't legally blame the parents, or an arcade operator who wasn't policing the machine, or law enforcement because the cart was in a private residence. The only one you can blame is SNKP. Thus the difference between the arcade and home versions.

In any case I personally have decided to return my cart to be fixed. I struggled a good long time over whether or not I should return it, especialy with the possibility that a true fix with full-blown fatalities might come out of the Unibios solution. But I'm too impatient to wait for that, I just want a "working" cart, whatever that may end up being. :multi_co:
 

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Seriously, I never saw a lawsuit where a product is accused to make a child do something, the company that mad the product was declared guilty.

Just see all that lawsuits about music that 'incites' to suicide.
 

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Verythrax said:
Seriously, I never saw a lawsuit where a product is accused to make a child do something, the company that mad the product was declared guilty.

Just see all that lawsuits about music that 'incites' to suicide.

Yes, this is very true. The main difference here being that Neo carts aren't rated. I think this is where th ESRB comes into play. If SSVS was rated Mature at the very least SNKP would have some legal ground to stand on. For example, if a kid started shooting up cars going through an underpass because he got the idea from playing GTA3, Rockstar has a legal "out", i.e., "this game was rated Mature, it was the parent's responsibility to make sure this game was never played by the child, Gamestop should never have sold it to the kid without the parent being there". I think that's why Rockstar isn't losing any lawsuits in that regard. The same with music CDS that are rated...

OTOH, not being regulated by any government agency, SNKP is entirely responsible for the content it provides. No ESRB to fall back on, it's gotta be careful about what it releases to private homes.

But you are right, it would be an uphill battle for anyone to sue SNKP if god forbid something like the nagasaki incident happens due to the home cart. As long as the possibility exists, though, as an outstanding representative of the gaming community and influential Japanese citizen it is, SNKP has to uphold proper "morality" whenever possible.
 
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motoslave said:
Yes, this is very true. The main difference here being that Neo carts aren't rated. I think this is where th ESRB comes into play. If SSVS was rated Mature at the very least SNKP would have some legal ground to stand on. For example, if a kid started shooting up cars going through an underpass because he got the idea from playing GTA3, Rockstar has a legal "out", i.e., "this game was rated Mature, it was the parent's responsibility to make sure this game was never played by the child, Gamestop should never have sold it to the kid without the parent being there". I think that's why Rockstar isn't losing any lawsuits in that regard. The same with music CDS that are rated...

OTOH, not being regulated by any government agency, SNKP is entirely responsible for the content it provides. No ESRB to fall back on, it's gotta be careful about what it releases to private homes.

I agree, but the problem is that there's basically no chance of a child getting his hands on this game. From a practical standpoint, it just isn't going to happen. Aside from the fact that none of them know what Neo Geo is, those few that do know won't have the $400 to fork over (and probably wouldn't even if they did). I challenge you to find one person on this site who ordered SSVS and is under 18.

The probability of a Neo Geo home cart inspiring a 14 yr. old to go out and kill people is basically zero.
 

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galfordo said:
I agree, but the problem is that there's basically no chance of a child getting his hands on this game. From a practical standpoint, it just isn't going to happen. Aside from the fact that none of them know what Neo Geo is, those few that do know won't have the $400 to fork over (and probably wouldn't even if they did). I challenge you to find one person on this site who ordered SSVS and is under 18.

The probability of a Neo Geo home cart inspiring a 14 yr. old to go out and kill people is basically zero.

VERY true, which is where SNKP had to think about the situation sensibly and weigh the possible soultions as well as their consequences. Realistically there should be NO reason why we couldn't get the full monty in the home release, there isn't a single kid out there who bought this cart.

But then again (playing devil's advocate), what happens after the cart gets home? It might very well fall into the hands of one of our sons or daughters. I imagine SNKP couldn't afford to risk that possibility, and compromised in the end. It really does suck, but I can see how the decision was made... when you are a corporation in the public eye, not only do you have to satisfy your fanbase, but you also have to satisfy the public at large.

Which is why I'm holding out hope that SNKP left some obscure "loophole" (at least in the public eye) somewhere...like a homegrown bios solution. If SNKP cared about its fanbase at all, it would at the VERY LEAST let its hardcore find a way to get to the fatalities on the down low...I really doubt SNKP would completely lock it out...if they did I would be a lot more upset :mad:. My fingers are crossed....
 

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TheDjinn said:
I'm not sure if this has been covered yet, but how long will it take to get the reprogrammed version back?

This is a very good question. Shawn, would you be able to answer this?
 

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Well guys let look it this way over here in the U.S, we have all kinds of crazy lawsuit over every damn little things like the fat foods case against (McDonald) or gettin burn by hot coffee you name it everything is here in America. But my points is that these companies are quite to learned to put out the warning sign on some of the material they have may it be hot are may it be dangerous. For example "Guns Company" are sometimes being sue because people says guns kills peoples, come on its peoples killing peoples NOT the guns. On the other hand SNKP, should out a warning sign states that SSVS, extremely violences including blood, nude, slice in-half, etc and kids that are under the ages of 18 years old are NOT allow to buy with out a parents permissions or even check for ID. Its that simple period. So life goes on people dies every day we just don't see it with ours nake own eyes. But sadly this is only a video games and they knock us over the head cold by taking away fun part. :confused:
 

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I hate to be the Messenger... but I do not believe this has been addressed... and if it has... I am truly sorry.

In a discussion with Insaneclown, we noticed that.

Samurai Spirits 0 Special, and Samurai Shodown V Special, have been taken off of the "on hold" status, and are ready to ship at the NeoStore...UNFIXED.

It seems now would be an excellent time for all the collectors who buy games, to own and hopefully appreciate in value, and NOT PLAY them, to buy these UNFIXED versions now!!! If you had not previously...

I personally do not condone this, but I did notice this... I personally PLAY MY NEO GAMES.

But it does seem that Shawn has Held back some Unfixed Carts to Sell, aside from the ones he is sending to SNKP Japan on the 18th...

The Samurai Spirits/Shodown Special Homecart Situation, has just gotten alot more interesting.
 

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finngamer said:
When negotiating/talking to SNKP, did you attempt to isolate the US version? So that the US would be totally unlocked? I can see why they won't want to have different fixes of the Jap version, but ALL US carts would be a different matter.

Come on, Shawn. A bump for this.

If you didn't bring this up originally, and there's a TINY chance they could still revise their views, this would worth pursuing. Even at this hour.

After all, the US version is practically YOUR version. You should definetly have a say in it.
 

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He already did on the first page finngamer.

Shawn:
Of course it’s not too late for SNKP to change their decision, but very unlikely. Since they have already begun reprogramming Japanese version AES for other customers, they would not want another version with complete fatalities available elsewhere (would cause incomplete version customers to desire the complete version).
 

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I may be wrong, but I got the impression that the "another version" that SNKP talks about means another version of the JAP version. So that there wouldn't be different fixes of the JAP, which is understandable.

The US is a different story. Or at least should be.
 
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