Anyone still following that polarized NYC manslaughter trial of USMC vet Daniel Penny?

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It sounds like society took care of Jordan Neely then.
No it didn't. It killed him because neither it nor his family was there when he clearly needed to be separated from others long enough to get him the help, or the intervention, that was necessary.
 

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Not a knock, but just curious, are you still using Twitter or just getting these sorts of things second hand?

 
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Lol isn't the election decided? On the other hand they were criticizing this guy just for having a fucking beer after finding out he wouldn't go to prison for years so I kind of get it.
 

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Who does a Marine root for in the Army-Navy game btw?

Closer association to the Navy, but I'm still not sure if that creates camaraderie or competition.

Edit: Google AI says typically Navy.
 

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I wonder if Jordan Neely voted for Biden.

Because if he didn't....hoo boy.
 

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Not a knock, but just curious, are you still using Twitter or just getting these sorts of things second hand?

lithy, how fucked up would it be if I were posting second hand screenshots of twitter posts referencing unlinked cnn articles citing unnamed sources?

What kind of deranged lunatic do you take me for?
 
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Jordan really recognized the humanity of everyone on that train when he threatened to kill them. He saw them as human beings capable of being murdered I guess.
Was he really going around telling people he was going to kill them?
Some reports say he was acting belligerent saying he was hungry, tired and sick of it all.
I feel like telling that to people sometimes to, do I deserve to die?

Doesn't really matter, we don't live in some sort of Judge Dread dystopia were the police are judge jury and executioner let alone some rando off the street.

A medical examiner determined Neely's death to be a homicide by compression of the neck, after being choked for six minutes.
Video appears dude unresponsive for quite some time and other passengers nearby assisting.
I dunno negligent homicide sounded totally fitting to me.

It's disturbing this trend has been going on for over a decade now, it's people cheering and justifying the murder of others.
I don't remember a fraction of this going on as much a child young adult, not saying it didn't happen but there's nothing new under the sun.
Seems like some sort of de-evolution to me.

It shouldn't be any surprise that people both on the right and left are cheering this CEO murder.

 
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Well, it didn't sound fitting to a jury of his peers so Penny is a free man.

If you were arrested 42 times and then set free without the help you clearly weren't getting from your family or society, you might be frustrated too.

But going onto a subway car and scaring a bunch of people that can't get away from you wouldn't be the way to go about it.

Sorry, but I don't fuck with crazy. I stop it.

In real life.

When it's in my face.
 

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Penny is a Marine.

He was not trained in conflict resolution. He was not trained in deescalation. He was not trained in mental health services or social work. He was trained in not dying. Which he accomplished. So I don't blame him so much. I blame him some, but there's so, so, so, so much more blame to go around, in much larger proportions.

I blame whatever his support system was who completely failed him. Failed to keep him from becoming homeless, failed to keep him from punching random elderly women in the face. And even more than them, I blame Reagan and every one after him who dismantled every single institution or initiative that might have helped treat him and keep him from becoming a danger to himself and others.

This is intrinsically linked to the current situation with health insurance CEOs. We need to put the lion's share of the blame where it belongs, not on some random citizen who only tried to end a situation without him or anyone else present getting injured or killed by someone who he -- from his uneducated perspective -- assumed was some crazed crackhead. This is a completely different situation to those Bernard Goetz or Kyle Rittenhouse pieces of shit.
 

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This is a completely different situation to those Bernard Goetz or Kyle Rittenhouse pieces of shit.

The Goetz shooting happened the year I was born but it sounds like he was regularly targeted as a weak person and had already been the victim of a few muggings and preemptively acted out of fear of what he believed was about to happen again (probably correctly).

Guessing it doesn’t help a prosecution’s case any when the brother of the guy you paralyzed testifies they were out robbing subway riders every week.

Still with everything Goetz said, fleeing the state and destroying his gun in the woods I am a little surprised he was acquitted (mostly)

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Sorry, but I don't fuck with crazy. I stop it.
So you would have killed him if it was you?

Listen you're missing the broader point.
Seems like there's a broader problem, something going on wrong with our society right now.
Appears to me there's a lot of weirdos jacking them off to sleep fantasizing about killing their neighbors or randoms off the street and getting away with it.
When verdicts like this happen it tells them it's okay and there's a good chance they could get away with it too.
 

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So you would have killed him if it was you?

Listen you're missing the broader point.
Seems like there's a broader problem, something going on wrong with our society right now.
Appears to me there's a lot of weirdos jacking them off to sleep fantasizing about killing their neighbors or randoms off the street and getting away with it.
When verdicts like this happen it tells them it's okay and there's a good chance they could get away with it too.
Where did I say I would have killed him?

Since you seem to be doing a gay 'gotcha', quote the whole line. This isn't Bluesky.

I said 'I stop it. In real life. When it's in my face.'

In your 'nazi hunting' brain, that may equate with ending a life. But not in a normal thinking person's brain.

And as for 'verdicts like this', what's the alternative? Put Penny in jail for doing his civic duty when nobody else was around to do it?

Penny didn't know that guy. He had no idea who he was. All he knew was that he saw someone acting in a threatening manner in an enclosed space. He has no idea what's about to happen next.

So he acted. It's unfortunate Neely died, as I and so many others here have said ad nauseum, but a jury of his peers found him not guilty of any of the charges. So he is rightly free.

'Verdicts like this...' Get a grip, man. A society that can't protect itself under threat of mortal peril when the justice system can't or won't is a society waiting to be conquered. 'Conquered' can mean a lot of things.

Seems like YOU'RE the one missing the broader point.

EDIT: I again want to stress that I am very on edge about this subject. I've seen women and kids get hit, HARD, when I didn't act, on public transportation on the move in Chicago. I regret that I never did anything and to this day I beat myself up over it because I was too scared of what might happen to me, either in that moment or afterwards in the media.

I won't let that happen again. If you even so much as breathe hard around me in those situations, I will ask you nicely to sit the fuck down and get off at the next stop. Especially if me or my own are threatened in those situations.

What happens next is up to them.
 
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This is like a dozen times you brought up the nazi hunting thing many of those when I'm not around or unrelated.
So what does this mean to you? Are you saying nazi's or white supremacists aren't real or are you saying that they have to be platformed on major social media in order for there to be real free speech? Maybe your upset that I go around and delete their vile comments or just delete them all together in entirety?

A gotcha question is if I asked you if your parents know you are really gay.

A normal healthy response to my question would be no, I would hope the situation could be resolved without anybody getting killed or hurt.
OH wait that what you say later, yeah, exactly nobody should have died over this.
Then you go on to do some mental masturbation on the subject...

This is happening nearly every single day, somebody getting pulled over for a broken taillight and they end up dead somehow.
People shooting each other for parking in a handicapped spot....

The reporter at the end of the video I linked states the case didn't change anybodies mind.
Everybody is in their own little bubble echo chamber.
We are in the post truth world.
Is it even possible to properly sequester a jury these days?
Used to be pretty easy, don't watch CNN or the nightly news or read a newspaper.
Nowadays it comes from everywhere, your phone, computer, Smart Tv you just turn it on and it's there, signs...people talking about it
It makes it almost impossible to find impartial untainted jury
Best you can hope for if half for you and half for them.....and a hung jury/deadlocking

I really can't understand how they deadlocked on manslaughter but only deliberated for 4 hours on negligent homicide.
 

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Arguing with Xavier

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Looks like NY could use a few more Daniel Penny's right now. Not going to post it but there is a video of a cop just walking by as that woman burned to death on the subway yesterday while people just stood by and filmed with their phones. fucking surreal.
 

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Looks like NY could use a few more Daniel Penny's right now. Not going to post it but there is a video of a cop just walking by as that woman burned to death on the subway yesterday while people just stood by and filmed with their phones. fucking surreal.

I think the victim's biggest mistake was not asking what she could do for the obviously troubled member of society.
 

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I don't understand why the woman's clothing engulfed her in flames in seconds. I haven't heard of that outside of the horrendous kids Halloween costume stories you read.
 

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I don't understand why the woman's clothing engulfed her in flames in seconds. I haven't heard of that outside of the horrendous kids Halloween costume stories you read.

Shein would like a word.
 
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