Anyone still following that polarized NYC manslaughter trial of USMC vet Daniel Penny?

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I'm sure they weren't all ran this poorly but anytime I hear asylum I think about that Geraldo Documentary about that state run facility Willowbrook. Free range crazy isn't good for anybody. Screamers seem pretty commonplace in NYC. I’m guessing this guy was really sperging out.
His family failed him.
From what I remember his mom was murdered and chopped up in a suitcase when he was a kid. Probably didn't have anybody.
 

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Where's the father? Why was he put in foster care when his dad was still alive?

It always comes down to family.
 

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I am finished with this narrative. His family failed him.
What do we know about his family? What are their issues? Were they a perfect model of an American nuclear family? Did he come up in a single parent household? Could he afford health insurance? Was his mother working three jobs just to keep it together? Was she a ho? There are so many factors that contribute to this that are the result of a flawed society not giving people the help they need.

Do we just abandon these people to die and hurt others because their families didn't make the effort?

Sometimes shitty people are shitty. Sometimes people aren't shitty but become shitty because they can't get the help they need.
 

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I am finished with this narrative. His family failed him.
Kinda agree. Everyone expects the government and society to do something. Neither give a shit about community.
 

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I don't entirely disagree, but when his family fails him (by being murdered), his mental illness shouldn't become society's burden. The government's solution was to catch and release him 42 times, which ultimately resulted in his death by someone who likely conformed to society's standards and expected Neely to do so also, despite his clear inability to do so. Maybe the 43rd arrest would have been the game changer.
 
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The 'family' that showed up for the potential payday, we can at least put some of the blame on them.
 

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Yeah, clearly they were deeply involved in his life. Still, blaming the family doesn’t change the minds of the people who still believe doing anything other than letting those struggling with mental illness roam around unchecked is somehow cruel. No one should be out punching anyone's mom in the face.
 

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I didn't catch this till now, but interesting take by this forensic pathologist's testimony from earlier this week.

“In your opinion, did Mr. Penny choke Mr. Neely to death?" defense lawyer Steven Raiser asked.

“No,” replied Chundru, who has worked as a medical examiner for county governments in Florida and Texas.

He said Neely died from "the combined effects” of synthetic marijuana, schizophrenia, his struggle and restraint, and a blood condition that can lead to fatal complications during exertion.

“The chokehold did not cause death,” the pathologist said.
 

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“The chokehold did not cause death,” the pathologist said.
Kind of an absurd conclusion. It's not like he was going to drop dead without the chokehold.
 

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Kind of an absurd conclusion. It's not like he was going to drop dead without the chokehold.

I/we are going to take the opinion of a video game forum goob — one with an unhealthy obsessed hard-on for a slimeball rip-off artist — over the professional opinion of the expert? Silly me, what the fuck was I thinking!
 

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PS - In all seriousness, cause and effect. I don't know how the hell the jury buys that fully either.
 

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I/we are going to take the opinion of a video game forum goob — one with an unhealthy obsessed hard-on for a slimeball rip-off artist — over the professional opinion of the expert? Silly me, what the fuck was I thinking!
The professional opinion of an expert hired by the defense. The government's medical examiner concluded otherwise. Neither are impartial arbiters of truth and maybe it's not possible to say for sure either way.

I don't buy the supposed racist motives either. Seems like another George Floyd type of situation, ie. an unfortunate accidental death/manslaughter with people getting riled up and taking sides based on political motivations and preconceived notions.

If you watch the videos of both incidents, the deaths look preventable. You've got multiple people standing around while pressure to the neck is continually applied until the guy dies.
 

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I don't entirely disagree, but when his family fails him (by being murdered), his mental illness shouldn't become society's burden. The government's solution was to catch and release him 42 times, which ultimately resulted in his death by someone who likely conformed to society's standards and expected Neely to do so also, despite his clear inability to do so. Maybe the 43rd arrest would have been the game changer.

It's a catch 22. You lock him up and it's racism. You set him free, and the pattern doesn't end.
We need Sanitariums again for sure.
 

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Lol I just learned a few days ago that when Joseph James DeAngelo “the golden state killer” started murdering couples they kept it as quiet as possible so it wouldn’t hurt his run for presidency. What a great guy.
 

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IIRC the Golden State Killer was briefly a cop in the town I live in.

Anyway, Reagan is a ho.
 

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Sanitariums are great on paper.

Just like communism.
 

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Sanitariums are great on paper.

Just like communism.
Any facility that is state or federally run I would expect to be bad. But couldn’t you just throw in third party inspections, make the results public, etc?
 

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Sanitariums are great on paper.

Just like communism.
Heath services of any kind were at least superior to kicking off the homelessness crisis which continues to this day. Maybe my perspective is colored by having grown up in California. But whatever the shortcomings of sanitoriums and other institutions, they were more compassionate to suffering, unable to function schizophrenics than just leaving them to the wolves and waiting to see how many old ladies they blasted in the face.
 

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"Care in the Community", as the policy is known here, has been a giant train wreck. It completely ignores the fact that the majority of the people the community are now supposed to be caring for are mental precisely because the communities they came from didn't care for them in the first place.
 
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