Anyone still following that polarized NYC manslaughter trial of USMC vet Daniel Penny?

[Taiso]

Any facility that is state or federally run I would expect to be bad. But couldn’t you just throw in third party inspections, make the results public, etc?

Believe me, I know. My mother ended up in assisted living and it was the shits. But given her degree of dementia, it was a better place for her to be than still at home in the hands of people that were entirely unqualified to take care for her (read: me).

There are a myriad of issues with the administration of these kinds of facilities, not the least of which is finding qualified staff. It's not that they don't care. It's more that they oftentimes don't have the mental fortitude to do the job. I don't know what the answer is there.

Another issue is that many of these places are state funded and they just don't pay well enough. Private facilities generally have better staff and equipment but that's because they're being funded by the rich, who only want to see their own loved ones cared for.

Ideally, you can understand when people get heavily medicated and/or thrown into a padded cell to cool down. But unfortunately, those measures that were once reserved for the most extreme of patients became a means by which to quickly deal with the problem.

Closing the 'insane asylums' was a bad move. I'm never in favor of shutting down facilities that provide much needed services for a functioning society to progress. I'm far more in favor of overhauling them and making them work. But somebody has to hold these people accountable. The patients are still human beings and we can't treat mental health facilities as 'jails for crazy people'. That's just shunting them so we don't have to see or hear them anymore.

But as to that 'accountability', bureaucracy and personal interests will almost always cause the efficiency of those watchdogs to fail.

 

[Ralfakick]

2nd degree Manslaughter Dismissed

 

[Taiso]

Apparently, Jordan Neely's dad is bringing a lawsuit Penny's way now.

AKA 'thanks for killing my kid so I could maybe get some money out of it.'

Probably. Maybe not. Stinky bless.

 

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Apparently, Jordan Neely's dad is bringing a lawsuit Penny's way now.

AKA 'thanks for killing my kid so I could maybe get some money out of it.'

Probably. Maybe not. Stinky bless.

This is the way of the american trash. Please kill me, maybe someone i know earns a buck. George Droyd.

 

[SNKNostalgia]

 

[HellioN]

 

[SNKNostalgia]

Yep

 

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[lithy]

2nd degree Manslaughter Dismissed

I didn't watch this video, maybe it's in there but just in case anyone is skimming, the Manslaughter charge was apparently dismissed at the request of the prosecution so that the jury can continue to consider a Criminally Reckless Homicide. Basically they're hoping a lesser charge can undeadlock the jury and get a conviction.

 

[Ralfakick]

I didn't watch this video, maybe it's in there but just in case anyone is skimming, the Manslaughter charge was apparently dismissed at the request of the prosecution so that the jury can continue to consider a Criminally Reckless Homicide. Basically they're hoping a lesser charge can undeadlock the jury and get a conviction.

I believe the video said the lesser charge carries a maximum of 4 years versus what he was facing before

 

[lithy]

Now fully acquitted.

Daniel Penny found not guilty in chokehold death of Jordan Neely

The jury acquitted Penny of criminally negligent homicide after previously deadlocking on the more serious charge of manslaughter.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Taiso]

Happy for Penny.

I have no patience for situations where people threaten others in public spaces, especially when they're enclosed and there's no way to create distance.

That said, it is unfortunate that a life was lost as a result. Society needs to do better for these lost lambs.

 

[LoneSage]

Society needs to do better for these lost lambs.

No. Families need to do better. Fathers need to do better. Mothers need to do better. People need to do better for their children.

Guy was homeless. Father comes out of the woodwork to make a statement. Someone tell me why tf the guy was homeless and not living with his father

 

[wyo]

Now fully acquitted.

Daniel Penny found not guilty in chokehold death of Jordan Neely

The jury acquitted Penny of criminally negligent homicide after previously deadlocking on the more serious charge of manslaughter.

www.nbcnews.com

Can't really argue with the verdict considering the venue.

 

[Lagduf]

No. Families need to do better. Fathers need to do better. Mothers need to do better. People need to do better for their children.

Guy was homeless. Father comes out of the woodwork to make a statement. Someone tell me why tf the guy was homeless and not living with his father

I’m just going to make a guess that that’s what Taiso meant, in part.

We also need to take care of those who don’t have families.

When I explained to people that I worked with “at-risk” youth, I always said what the kids were at risk of was being forgotten, left behind, swept under the rug, and thrown away like garbage.

We all need to do better. I think there is some merit to evaluations society based on how they treat their most vulnerable members.

Sad story all around. A sick man is dead and another man had took someone’s life. Fucking tragedy.

 

[Hattori Hanzo]

They are the result of the problem not the problem itself.

 

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No. Families need to do better. Fathers need to do better. Mothers need to do better. People need to do better for their children.

Guy was homeless. Father comes out of the woodwork to make a statement. Someone tell me why tf the guy was homeless and not living with his father

While I agree with you, I can say that if I were homeless I would be exactly that- homeless. Thus by knowing that I have no support whatsoever from my one living family member, I have done whatever its taken to make sure I will never be so vulnerable money and career-wise that i risk the possibility of losing a job or being hit with a huge bill that could leave me without the means to afford a place to stay-no matter how bad some of these places i have lived have been…because being homeless is my biggest fear in life.
I dunno boot straps and whatever. Life is fucking bullshit but a roof over my head is where i draw the line.

 

[basic]

Can't really argue with the verdict considering the venue.

honestly, based on what I know of the situation/case, I would've been okay with guilty on the lesser charge or complete acquittal. it's a messy case.

 

[LoneSage]

there is some merit to evaluations society based on how they treat their most vulnerable members.

America already does a really, really damn fine job at this already. There are so many options available to help people. Homeless shelters and soup kitchens for homeless. Handicapped people get a freaking income for being handicapped so they can try to live a good life. I think it's great, it's a big reason to what makes America truly great. For 99% of human history if you were handicapped you were FUCKED. It's still true in many countries today.

I can go on about how much help there is in America. It's just so much.

 

[Lagduf]

America already does a really, really damn fine job at this already. There are so many options available to help people. Homeless shelters and soup kitchens for homeless. Handicapped people get a freaking income for being handicapped so they can try to live a good life. I think it's great, it's a big reason to what makes America truly great. For 99% of human history if you were handicapped you were FUCKED. It's still true in many countries today.

I can go on about how much help there is in America. It's just so

Come to California and look around. We need to do even better.

 

[SouthtownKid]

I have done whatever its taken to make sure I will never be so vulnerable money and career-wise that i risk the possibility of losing a job or being hit with a huge bill that could leave me without the means to afford a place to stay

No such thing. Sudden medical emergency is the leading cause of people going bankrupt in the US (sometimes multiple generations of a family going bankrupt), becoming homeless, which then leads to losing their job, and then it's a wrap. You think you've prepared, but it can still happen.

 

[LoneSage]

Come to California and look around. We need to do even better.

“...to form a more perfect Union...”

 

[Taiso]

I’m just going to make a guess that that’s what Taiso meant, in part.

We also need to take care of those who don’t have families.

When I explained to people that I worked with “at-risk” youth, I always said what the kids were at risk of was being forgotten, left behind, swept under the rug, and thrown away like garbage.

We all need to do better. I think there is some merit to evaluations society based on how they treat their most vulnerable members.

Sad story all around. A sick man is dead and another man had took someone’s life. Fucking tragedy.

I meant society.

I don't know why I have to say that a grown man acting out the way Neely did was already failed by his family and they can't be expected to change their ways and 'do better.'

Tell a deadbeat dad to 'do better' after he's already failed his kids and they're philanderers and thieves that have been in out of county and state lockup more times than they care to count. Tell a deadbeat mom to 'do better' after her sons are all dealing and banging in the streets and her daughters have all become whores.

When the family fails, it is incumbent on society to pick up the slack. It's either that or these rabid lost lambs are out in the wild as a risk to the rest of us.

What are you going to say when he shoots someone you know? 'Your parents failed you'?

What are you going to say when you have to put someone like that down? 'Your parents failed you'?

It's a fucking stupid thing to say.

Yes, the parents should be held to account when this happens.

But that still leaves us with a loose cannon that shouldn't be on the streets.

'sage isn't just wrong here, he sounds dumb.

And I know he's not dumb.

 

[Lagduf]

Generational trauma is a hell of a thing.

 

[LoneSage]

It sounds like society took care of Jordan Neely then.