Anyone still following that polarized NYC manslaughter trial of USMC vet Daniel Penny?

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lithy said:
Yep, malicious prosecution. Continue pushing NYers to leave.
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I would argue that this is precisely why we have a jury trial. From my knowledge of the case, Penny wasn't trying to murder a dude, but his application of force killed a man, no matter his intentions. Was it justified? Did he go to far? I can't answer that, that's for the jury to decide.

The clickbait headline is pretty dumb though, no defense attorney worth a damn is going to allow the defendant to testify. There's nothing to gain and everything to lose, even if they are 100% innocent.
 
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GohanX said:
I would argue that this is precisely why we have a jury trial. From my knowledge of the case, Penny wasn't trying to murder a dude, but his application of force killed a man, no matter his intentions. Was it justified? Did he go to far? I can't answer that, that's for the jury to decide.
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Given the immense power and disproportionate resources, added to the perceived weight a state's case can often get in the eyes of a jury, I don't necessarily agree. A prosecutor has a duty not to bring charges when the case doesn't meet a standard because to carry a case through to trial on an innocent person is an injustice all to itself.

I would argue that this case was brought because NY DAs don't believe that the people have a right to self defense.
 
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We're all Criminal Justice System Affected Individuals now.
 
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Was Penny’s use of force proportionate to
the use of force, or threat of force from Neely?

If so, probably didn’t need to bring charges.

I’d like to know more about the bystander who told Penny to let go of Neely.

Regardless, fuck the state and NYC in particular.
 
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A chokehold (aka “sleeper”) should probably be considered a use of deadly force.
 
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Americans in general don't know how to ignore stupid people. Always gotta be a hero even when no one asks for one.

edit: this quote from the article made me :rolleyes: in real life
"Prosecutors say Penny meant to protect people but recklessly used too much force, overlooking Neely's humanity and making no effort to spare his life."

I think that is the first time I have read 'overlooking someone's humanity.'
 
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Manslaughter charge seems justifiable. There are other ways to restrain people besides choking them to death.
 
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i had not heard about this, but I dont follow much social news.
This appears to be a rather challenging case, and I can only imagine the difficulty in getting accurate information given the people involved.
 
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LoneSage said:
Americans in general don't know how to ignore stupid people. Always gotta be a hero even when no one asks for one.
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On the other why can’t we just tell stupid people stop what they’re doing or shut the fuck up?


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edit: this quote from the article made me :rolleyes: in real life
"Prosecutors say Penny meant to protect people but recklessly used too much force, overlooking Neely's humanity and making no effort to spare his life."

I think that is the first time I have read 'overlooking someone's humanity.'
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lol what a cringe quote
 
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wyo said:
Manslaughter charge seems justifiable. There are other ways to restrain people besides choking them to death.
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Now that I think about it restraining an individual in many jurisdictions may only be legal if they are committing a felony as you’re essentially arresting them.
 
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Lagduf said:
On the other why can’t we just tell stupid people stop what they’re doing or shut the fuck up?
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Because people are animals. Somehow saying people are animals is racist but it is unequivocally true. And when you tell people to STFU then you're beginning an altercation. Which can lead to injury or death.

I was on the subway on DC last year when I visited home, from the airport to the city at 11PM. There was one guy there playing rap music without earphones and rapping along to it and sounding pretty unhinged and aggressive. There were only maybe two or three other people in the car but everyone just ignored him, as it should be. Let the tards say whatever they want and act stupid, and I'll mind my own business, which is a great way to survive. If anyone looks to put hands on me then their life is forfeit, of course.
 
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LoneSage said:
Americans in general don't know how to ignore stupid people.
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Everyone has a plan ignores stupid people until they get punched in the face.

"Neely has been arrested 42 times in the last 10 years, most recently in November 2021 for slugging a 67-year-old female stranger in the face as she exited a subway station."
 
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Jordan really recognized the humanity of everyone on that train when he threatened to kill them. He saw them as human beings capable of being murdered I guess.
 
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Lagduf said:
On the other why can’t we just tell stupid people stop what they’re doing or shut the fuck up?
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I don't think you've experienced many unhinged and screaming homeless people. They are intimidating, gross, and they have nothing to lose. Telling them fuck off only escalates. And then you'll have to deal with getting the inevitable feces pie to the face.
 
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NeoSneth said:
I don't think you've experienced many unhinged and screaming homeless people. They are intimidating, gross, and they have nothing to lose. Telling them fuck off only escalates. And then you'll have to deal with getting the inevitable feces pie to the face.
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I had to deal with something like this a week ago.

Took members of the club I advise at the college on a trip to Chinatown in Chicago.

One of them is a 19 year old girl that looks VERY young for her age. Could be easily mistaken as an 8th grader.

As we're boarding the platform for the Red Line to go back to the 35th Street stop, this dude starts harrassing her, telling her he's her father and that he has to go on this train with her. Even blocked the sensor with his hand so she couldn't scan her Ventra card and go through.

I had to intervene at that point and start telling the guy to back off. 'That can't be your daughter because she's my student and you're just some trash hanging around to prey on girls.' Said it to him just like that.

He was loud about it and insisted he was her father and I told him if he didn't back off, I was going to end up fired and in jail over what happened next.

Got everyone on the train and safely away from this dude.

I'm not even going to talk about all the potential scenarios that might have happened had he tried to kidnap her or something.

And don't say 'that wasn't gonna happen.' If if you've never had crazy in your face yelling at you, you don't know what you're talking about.

It can't be ignored, it must be dealt with. Period. Just glad I didn't have to stomp a motherfucker out that day. We were having a nice time.
 
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Jordan Neely needed help. Society failed him for sure.

But when you're threatening all those people in that enclosed space, eventually you're going to run into a former marine who can fuck your shit up.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. He won the stupidest prize anyone ever could.

Sorry if I'm very heated about this particular subject. My situation last week isn't the only time I've had to intervene on behalf of those in my care while on public transportation in Chicago. That's all I'll say, except for that I've never killed anyone.
 
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