Oklahoma sucks at executing people

[OrochiEddie]

Who said anything about an absolute value? You asked what my comment was based on, and I brought up a guy who actually went through something terrible like having his parents murdered and wanted the person responsible dead for closure (his words, not mine).

So, yeah, an anecdote. lol, did you expect me to compile survey data for you?

your statement was that it provides closure and I asked what your basis was and the basis was an anecdote. I had no expectations, just a curiosity if it was anything more than a some kind of testimonial.

 

[o.pwuaioc]

You have some serious comprehension issues.

You're still taking the troll bait? Surely you've known him long enough to know he's just getting off to thinking he might possibly upset someone else.

 

[SonGohan]

your statement was that it provides closure and I asked what your basis was and the basis was an anecdote. I had no expectations, just a curiosity if it was anything more than a some kind of testimonial.

Come on man. Let's not pretend that your comment was anything other than belittling the man's words because they weren't compiled in a survey with a specified amount of other affected people/families.

"so an anecdote then"

haha

You're still taking the troll bait? Surely you've known him long enough to know he's just getting off to thinking he might possibly upset someone else.

I have no idea who you are, but it appears I've upset you somewhere in the past, too. Go me.

 

[Fritz]

You're still taking the troll bait? Surely you've known him long enough to know he's just getting off to thinking he might possibly upset someone else.

It is actually Naiera attempting to bait the hook. He does the same thing whenever US gun laws are discussed.

 

[Poonman]

Yeah guys keeping him in jail for the rest of his life...that's REAL justice.

Like Clifford Olson....THANK GOD he was in a civilized country like Canada when he raped and murdered all those kids; he got "punished" with 10,000 dollars for the location of every kids corpse he dumped....so IIRC it was a 120k payday from the RCMP for his fine work.

And since he was still alive and gracing the earth with his presence, he could use his newly earned money bribing prison guards to mail out his letters to the parents of his victims...thanking them for what a "sweet fuck" their little boy/girl was.


Karla Homolka got her just deserts as well, after years of helping her rapist pedophile husband rape, kill, dismember and dispose of a number of schoolgirls (including her own sister!) she was given a free university education and now lives in the bahamas with her new husband and daughter.

JUSTICE. SERVED.

EDIT: A note on closure.... I ask anyone here if, hypothetically speaking, they had a daughter who was one day stalked, followed, attacked, incapacitated, restrained, raped, murdered, dismembered, and disposed.....

Which scenario would please you more? Rehabilitation for her killer? a new job, a new life and a new family for the killer while pieces of your daughter rot in a landfill site? Or a botched execution like the one this fuckwad got? Or worse?

Or something more lenient?? Seriously?

 

[BeefJerky]

EDIT: A note on closure.... I ask anyone here if, hypothetically speaking, they had a daughter who was one day stalked, followed, attacked, incapacitated, restrained, raped, murdered, dismembered, and disposed.....

Which scenario would please you more? Rehabilitation for her killer? a new job, a new life and a new family for the killer while pieces of your daughter rot in a landfill site? Or a botched execution like the one this fuckwad got? Or worse?

Or something more lenient?? Seriously?

Heh, if something like that were to happen to my little sister, there would be no phone call to the police, I would actively hunt the perp(s) and go scorched earth on him/them. *ain't no pansy European*

 

[Poonman]

Oh, anyone remember those 2 kids in britain that beat a 12 year old boy unconscious, sodomized him and laid him out on traintracks to cut him in half?

They were given new identities and I heard one of them is an now active pedophile and heavy drug user.... engaging in relationships with 14 year old girls and amassing a huge collection of child pornography.

The police monitor closely and they are aware of everything, but do nothing because he is in the middle of state mandated "rehabilitation" so he can one day become a productive member of society! Thank GOD!!

 

[OrochiEddie]

Come on man. Let's not pretend that your comment was anything other than belittling the man's words because they weren't compiled in a survey with a specified amount of other affected people/families.

"so an anecdote then"

haha

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nah not really. It was more just snark at your conclusion based on one statement. If that guy got closure from witnessing someones death then go him, but I wonder if that is the norm or not or if that "Satisfaction" or "closure" is long lasting.

 

[Beelzebub]

I felt immense joy at the thought of these scum dying. Though if you ask me it was not a just punishment. I agree with everyone in this thread who brought up an eye for an eye. These deranged fucks(I refuse to even regard them as humans) should've been play things for starving, horny male baboons.

All you Euro-trash and East coast lib-tards that don't agree with the death penalty should be forced to house and feed all these rapists, murderers, and pedos that you seem to like so much. Just don't complain to me when they use your decapitated head as their make-shift fleshlight.

 

[SonGohan]

Oh, anyone remember those 2 kids in britain that beat a 12 year old boy unconscious, sodomized him and laid him out on traintracks to cut him in half?

I didn't hear that anecdote. You'll need to distill it into a survey compiled from other anecdotes before you'll get me to care about it.

 

[Poonman]

I didn't hear that anecdote. You'll need to distill it into a survey compiled from other anecdotes before you'll get me to care about it.

Oh nevermind, they already busted him for kid porn and released him with a new identity AGAIN...this makes for 4 new identities so far.

Man....those brits don't fuck around.

EDIT: correction to my other post, the kid they beat, sodomized, and cut in half was 2 years old, not 12....so that's not so bad, right?

 

[Kristian Meller]

It is actually Naiera attempting to bait the hook. He does the same thing whenever US gun laws are discussed.

Not every time.

 

[Kristian Meller]

All you Euro-trash and East coast lib-tards that don't agree with the death penalty should be forced to house and feed all these rapists, murderers, and pedos that you seem to like so much. Just don't complain to me when they use your decapitated head as their make-shift fleshlight.

Awesome.

 

[SNKorSWM]

Why can't we just do what most other countries do, with a cigar and a blindfold?

 

[mr aize]

I felt immense joy at the thought of these scum dying. Though if you ask me it was not a just punishment. I agree with everyone in this thread who brought up an eye for an eye. These deranged fucks(I refuse to even regard them as humans) should've been play things for starving, horny male baboons.

All you Euro-trash and East coast lib-tards that don't agree with the death penalty should be forced to house and feed all these rapists, murderers, and pedos that you seem to like so much. Just don't complain to me when they use your decapitated head as their make-shift fleshlight.

So out of interest, do you apply this philosophy of 'an eye for an eye' throughout your own life? It must get really exhausting, constantly trying to get revenge. Always thinking about what others have done to you... Can you really not see that this mentality is the exact reason why these psychos exist in the first place? The vast majority of them have had really crappy lives, often having been been sexually abused themselves and so they take their revenge on society. An eye for an eye. Why would you want to lower yourself to their level, to become no better than they are?

 

[SouthtownKid]

Can you really not see that this mentality is the exact reason why these psychos exist in the first place? The vast majority of them have had really crappy lives, often having been been sexually abused themselves and so they take their revenge on society. An eye for an eye. Why would you want to lower yourself to their level, to become no better than they are?

With loopy logic like that, maybe you're the psycho. Just a heads up, but regardless of whether you or I or anyone here actually subscribes to the philosophy (and for the record, I don't), that's not what "an eye for an eye" means. What you're describing is closer to some weird version of "pay it forward" or something.

So out of interest, do you apply this philosophy of 'an eye for an eye' throughout your own life? It must get really exhausting, constantly trying to get revenge. Always thinking about what others have done to you...

Yeah, so exhausting to constantly be obsessing about all the people who have raped and murdered me. You fucking pea-brained goon.

 

[mr aize]

With loopy logic like that, maybe you're the psycho. Just a heads up, but regardless of whether you or I or anyone here actually subscribes to the philosophy (and for the record, I don't), that's not what "an eye for an eye" means. What you're describing is closer to some weird version of "pay it forward" or something.

Yeah, so exhausting to constantly be obsessing about all the people who have raped and murdered me. You fucking pea-brained goon.

I apologise for not explaining more fully, I thought the similarities between these mentalities were pretty obvious, apparently not... I know what 'an eye for an eye' means but I stand by my point that it's basically the same mentality as that which ends up causing psychos. If you need an eye for an eye, in order to achieve closure, what happens when you can't get that revenge on the exact person who caused you the harm? What happens when that happens to you over and over again, at what point do you start blaming society for failing to protect you and lashing out? Don't pretend to believe that this doesn't happen.

As for your second devastating retort, If you had read my post properly, you would note the words 'throughout your own life', meaning, in all the different areas of your life. In other words, If someone insults you, you insult them, steals from you, you steal from them, hits you, you hit them, etc, etc, etc. I said nothing about being constantly raped and murdered because that would be silly, wouldn't it?

 

[Fuzzytaco]

What exactly do they put in the water in London?

 

[mr aize]

Dunno, but maybe you guys should try some? lol.

Seriously though, all I'm saying is that hate just causes more hate, an eye for an eye doesn't work and never has. It's the reason for all the wars and acts of terrorism and just generally a dead end philosophy. By going about with that mindset, you put yourself on the same level as the psychos. If you're comfortable with that, fine but if you want to think of yourself as better than them, you need to be better than them.

My other point, is that it's impossible to simply exact revenge on someone, without it affecting you. Unless you are the dictionary definition of a psycho, it's impossible to just switch on and then off the hate and rage needed to go through with the revenge and so it eats away at you and basically turns you into a dick, spreading more hatred to everyone you meet. (Obviously on a sliding scale, depending on numerous factors such as how bad the act was, the individual involved, etc) I.e. Someone hits you, runs off, you find them later and hit them back then bump into a third person shortly afterwards by accident. Do you apologise like a normal person or, because you're all fired up, do you lash out, verbally or physically?

Finally, in an effort to prevent too many people getting out their pram about this, I would just like to state, that I do not believe that murderers and rapists should be simply forgiven and let free. If anything, I believe jail terms are too short for many of them. If you commit these acts, you are a threat and shouldn't be given the chance to do any more harm. Basically, you should rot in jail, until you are too old or feeble to do anything. I do, however, draw the line way before any talk of torture, corporal punishment etc, because I do not live in the middle ages. As someone earlier said, if you want to live like that, go live in a hardline Islamic state, practising Sharia law.

 

[GohanX]

So out of interest, do you apply this philosophy of 'an eye for an eye' throughout your own life? It must get really exhausting, constantly trying to get revenge.

Because of his bloody life, it's no accident that he was involved in the troubles.

 

[Dr Shroom]

I'll never condone botched executions either, but the villification is completely out of hand.

 

[SouthtownKid]

As for your second devastating retort, If you had read my post properly, you would note the words 'throughout your own life', meaning, in all the different areas of your life. In other words, If someone insults you, you insult them, steals from you, you steal from them, hits you, you hit them, etc, etc, etc. I said nothing about being constantly raped and murdered because that would be silly, wouldn't it?

If you read properly, you'd see that no one has been talking about using the principle in ordinary life. That was something you pulled out of your own ass with zero provocation.

If you need an eye for an eye, in order to achieve closure, what happens when you can't get that revenge on the exact person who caused you the harm? What happens when that happens to you over and over again, at what point do you start blaming society for failing to protect you

Again and again? I guess if multiple members of my family were raped and killed across my lifetime, I probably would feel like there was some failing somewhere that needed addressing. You keep trying to pretend we're applying this 'eye for an eye' thing to petty, everyday bullshit. The topic here is rape and murder of an 11-month-old baby. Not someone insulting you. Not someone hitting you.

You douchebags who treat your moral values as some intellectual exercise lose all sense of scale. Not being broken up about the death of someone who murdered a baby is nowhere near existing in the same realm as being able to exercise restraint when someone cuts you off in traffic.

 

[mr aize]

If you read properly, you'd see that no one has been talking about using the principle in ordinary life. That was something you pulled out of your own ass with zero provocation.

Again and again? I guess if multiple members of my family were raped and killed across my lifetime, I probably would feel like there was some failing somewhere that needed addressing. You keep trying to pretend we're applying this 'eye for an eye' thing to petty, everyday bullshit. The topic here is rape and murder of an 11-month-old baby. Not someone insulting you. Not someone hitting you.

You douchebags who treat your moral values as some intellectual exercise lose all sense of scale. Not being broken up about the death of someone who murdered a baby is nowhere near existing in the same realm as being able to exercise restraint when someone cuts you off in traffic.

I see I'm wasting my breath so I'm out. I credited you with a greater ability to follow a reasoned argument than you are capable of. For that I apologise. Once again you have missed what I was talking about. As for treating moral values as an intellectual exercise, maybe that's because I have the intellectual capacity and self awareness to be able to do that. You apparently do not.

Good day sir.





Oh, and one final point, you're the one preaching hatred and you're the one getting all worked up and resorting to childish name calling. Hate breads hate buddy. Peace and love to you.

 

[Average Joe]

it's very easy to preach redemption for criminal behavior until you've experienced it firsthand

once a loved one has experienced something god-awful at the hands of another person i would think there is a rather slim chance of an individual retaining such optimistic ideals--now i am not saying it's a negative thing to think so ideally, but i definitely think it lends itself heavily to naivety

i would like to think of myself as someone who prefers to lean on the pacifistic/positive side(s) myself, but i also know that if someone i loved dearly was treated the way this girl was treated i would be very doubtful that i would be able to contain my rage

 

[norton9478]

I'll never condone botched executions either, but the villification is completely out of hand.

What happened in Oklahoma was not a simple "Botched execution". It was a foreseeable unmitigated disaster. The state wasn't focused on doing it right, they were focused on doing it .... Period.