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Everything after TNG sucked and you only watched it because you love Kirk & Picard. It doesn't really matter who you love more.
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There's one who is more loved
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Picard as a show is interesting because to some extent hornhead is right.
In season 1 they tried to neatly wrap up Picard and Data’s story but they didn’t entirely succeed. They attempted the same thing in season 2, and failed. Finally, on the third try they got it (mostly) right.
S1 and S2 do have some good things going for them but a lot of pointless filler. S3 is all nostalgia bait but it’s so well done I’m ok with it.
I’ll never forgive S1 for how they massacred my boy Hugh.
In season 1 they tried to neatly wrap up Picard and Data’s story but they didn’t entirely succeed. They attempted the same thing in season 2, and failed. Finally, on the third try they got it (mostly) right.
S1 and S2 do have some good things going for them but a lot of pointless filler. S3 is all nostalgia bait but it’s so well done I’m ok with it.
I’ll never forgive S1 for how they massacred my boy Hugh.
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Oddly enough, I just listened to a 2 hour overview of Voyager this weekend. I haven't watched the show in over a decade.
It's hard to defend Voyager, but it did a lot of things right in addition to the mistakes. Once it got momentum, the constant tension from the unknown and isolation was fantastic. It was like the good seasons of BSG when the ship was falling apart and they were hanging on by a thread.
I didn't like the ending either, but it's in line with some of the recent comments here. Starfleet Admirals are assholes. they are old curmudgeons and very human. I think it makes sense she would lean into her human traits instead of be a stone cold Fleet Admiral.
It's hard to defend Voyager, but it did a lot of things right in addition to the mistakes. Once it got momentum, the constant tension from the unknown and isolation was fantastic. It was like the good seasons of BSG when the ship was falling apart and they were hanging on by a thread.
I didn't like the ending either, but it's in line with some of the recent comments here. Starfleet Admirals are assholes. they are old curmudgeons and very human. I think it makes sense she would lean into her human traits instead of be a stone cold Fleet Admiral.
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I disregard everything after All Good Things. So that still includes the first couple DS9 seasons. But by the first TNG movie, Generations, and season 3 of DS9, that's all another universe as far as I'm concerned. Created by time travel shenanigans or whatever in Voyager or Enterprise. The "TNG" crew and universe in the movies following Generations barely resemble the TNG series. Everyone devolved into dumb action movie parodies of their real selves.
So I know I'm repeating myself here, but I consider Picard to be a sequel of the shitty TNG movies in their shitty alternate universe, not a sequel to the TNG series in the real Star Trek universe. And I blame Voyager for all of it!
So I know I'm repeating myself here, but I consider Picard to be a sequel of the shitty TNG movies in their shitty alternate universe, not a sequel to the TNG series in the real Star Trek universe. And I blame Voyager for all of it!
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TOS > TNG > DS9 > Enterprise > Voyager
But TOS is something quite different from those others.. much older era in TV, probably the best cast (Shatner/Nimoy/Kelley for the main trio of crew-members), but maybe not as easy to watch as the newer series. Also, there was wasn't a proper ending to the series (cut off in the third season). The TOS movies don't really have the philosophical content of the TOS TV series.
Enterprise > Voyager, but Voyager has some good episodes, and introduced the major characters, the Doctor, and Seven of Nine.
Babylon 5 is easily as good as TNG or DS9. Definitely required watching for any Star Trek fan. Babylon 5 stories have more emotional impact.
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Babylon 5 is possibly the most outlandishly overrated thing I've ever seen. I haven't watched the entire series from start to finish, but every random episode I've watched from various seasons was uniformly terrible. Horrible plots and dialogue. As low level as Voyager. Straczynsky is ridiculously overrated in general. He was a horrible comics writer, as well. Self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing, constantly making a grand production of breaking his own arm patting himself on the back for good ideas he stole from better writers who executed them better. Sometimes immediately before he regurgetated them. But his cult of loyalists keep him propped up. Fucking hate that dude.
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like what
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S2 pretty much just…Q.
S1 I liked the moments with Riker and Troi.
I thought the farewell for Data was good, however, the endless introduction of the various Soongs is annoying.
The brief look at the Romulan Free state was interesting and I didn’t hate the overall story with the Romulan sabotage of Utopia Planetia.
In S2 I also really liked the alternate future they went to where Picard was a genocidal maniac. That was great. Kill ‘em all.
I wouldn’t cal S1 or S2 good. Like I said they’re failed attempts to resolve Picard’s story in a satisfying way. They got it right the third time.
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Hhahaha Discard.
Brother, Picard ain’t worse than discovery. You’re fucking crazy if you think so.
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This guy is irritating as shit, but took time out from dunking on Elon to go off on a mini TNG tangent/rant which made me think of this thread. The video is cued up to the right spot, so you don't have to watch the entire Elon Musk video.
edit: I watched more of the video and now regret posting it. Never mind.
edit: I watched more of the video and now regret posting it. Never mind.
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Turns out I also subbed for the Duf comments.
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Discovery is trash, but at least it actually takes place in space. That it got five seasons is an insult to humanity.
Meanwhile, Discard Season 2 baits you into thinking it's going to be some interesting alternate universe story, only to rugpull and place it in the present, add CURRENT YEAR problems and politics into it (influnced by TDS and orange man bad no doubt), some nonsense about picard's mom and space microbes saving us from climate change. Q dies except he doesn't and jurati borg looking like neelix ("a more peaceful borg" > never bought up again) and Patrick Stewart bumbling through his scenes because he's 200 years old and just wants to go home and sleep. There's some much inane C and D story arcs in there that are ultimatly pointless filler than makes Dragonball's filler episodes look good. It's insanely badly written in every regard, possible the worst thing I've ever seen on TV. /fami rant over
At least with Season 3 they pulled their heads out of their collective asses and realized what people wanted to see.
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B5 is outlandishly, ridiculously and hilariously better than DS9 could ever be. DS9 had the budget and *some* better actors (definitely not Avery, for gods sake) but B5 got the story elements. In no way is anything in DS9 remotely close to the Shadow War arc that is the first 4 seasons. Admittedly S5 struggles a bit because they thought they were canceled but then werent, etc. But yeah, B5>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DS9.
Also there is no better love/hate duality frenemy pairing than G'Kar and Londo Mollari. Andreas Katsulas and Peter Jurasik were born to play those roles.
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isn't Picard dead now, replaced by a replicant?
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that also got glossed over because it's retarded
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It came up in my feed because of that other guy posting this dude's video about...what was it again? Oh yeah, how Reagan is responsible for everything bad that exists in the country now.
JMS can't write human characters. Just a close enough approximation of what nerds who can't relate to other people fantasize that human behavior must resemble. Maybe I just magically only watched bad episodes that weren't representative of Babylon 5 in general, but all of the ones I did watch were fucking TRITE with superficial characters speaking banal dialogue worthy of a bad 1970s sitcom. Oh, and one episode I saw was an outer space ripoff of Law & Order. That one was especially laughable. I would almost rather watch Voyager than Babylon 5 or anything JMS was in any way involved with. Although you'd have to Clockwork Orange me to get me to watch either at this point.
If you can still watch Babylon 5 today without gritting your teeth, good for you, I guess. You pass the test of endurance. You probably like that outer space Kevin Sorbo series, too, don't you? Another dry heave of a show.
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It’s not the kind of show where you randomly drop in and watch an episode here or there, that’s actually one of its strengths versus TNG. You would need to start from the beginning and follow the plot. It has its issues but overall it’s a worthwhile experience if you give it a proper chance.