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How would they be able to do that? Why don't the blacks feel represented by the GOP? The GOP was in favor of rights for blacks if I look at the history.
Based on lengthy conversations with black frieds, it is very common for black Republicans to be labled as "Uncle Toms".

I was very disappointment when Herman Cain dropped out of the race. Whether or not he would have been a good president is for another debate. However, he did send the message to black Americans that it is OK to be Republican.

Why would that be? Why would people associate the Tea Party with the GOP while there are no links? Are the ideas similair then?
Also, why do most people vote for GOP if they are just for the rich? Most southern states (if not all) vote GOP. Do you have an idea why the GOP is populair in those states?
Media correlation of Tea Party and GOP; non-liberals lumped together. Southern states have history been less progressive.

Racist elements?

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What changes are you talking about?
Do you think the GOP needs to drop views regarding gaymarriage and abortion? I wonder why blacks vote Democrat since a lot of blacks are against gaymarriage and abortion (from what I get from the media).
The Democrat party has been more accepting of blacks. The GOP does come off as homophobic. Also, religion is more focused on by the GOP.

The 47% comment was indeed weird to say the least. I've looked it up and it is weird that he seriously believes that many people are "supposidly" depenend on the government.

Most people equated this to an attack on black Americans and other minorities

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Did you vote GOP or did you refrain from voting this time?
Yes, I voted GOP. I see myself more as a fiscal conservative than a Republican.
 
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Based on lengthy conversations with black frieds, it is very common for black Republicans to be labled as "Uncle Toms".
In Europe I face the same thing with the PVV (Freedom Party). It is a taboo to be colored and be in favor of strong immigration and anti islam views. I am also a metalhead who is black AND a homosexual. Being a homosexual, that is one of the reasons I will NEVER vote GOP (unless they change their views) if I lived in the States. Making degrading remarks regarding homosexuals isn't going to persuade me to vote for the GOP.

I was very disappointment when Hermina Cain dropped out of the race. Whether or not he would have been a good president is for another debate. However, he did send the message to black Americans that it is OK to be Republican.
I have a black friend who is also right winged, but he also faces judgement and being seen as "an Uncle Tom" to use an English phrase. As a black overhere, you are "supposidly" vote for the Labour party, while I strongly disagree with alot of those issues. For one: I think they are too pro islam and are very tolerant of it.

Media correlation of Tea Party and GOP; non-liberals lumped together. Southern states have history been less progressive.
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WTF? NO wonder they don't attract blacks........This is just fucking racist! I have no other words for it.

The Democrat party has been more accepting of blacks. The GOP does come off as homophobic. Also, religion is more focused on by the GOP.
As a European, I also think the GOP is homophobic. They believe marriage is a thing between a man and a woman which is pure bullshit in my eyes. I too have the right to marry who I want. I'm not a fan of religion, at all!

Most people equated this to an attack on black Americans and other minorities

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As a black person myself, in all honesty, don't see this as an attack but pure as statistics. It becomes a bad thing when you try to say blacks are bad and stuff and use this as an "argument".

Yes, I voted GOP. I see myself more as a fiscal conservative than a Republican.
Ok. I personally vote for the Freedom Party. I have "strong" views on religion, the European Union and immigration to name a few things.
 
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Aside from their support of Jim Crow laws...but y'know so long as they cater to your majority status who cares.
Nixon proposed universal health care.

Excuse me, but you are mistaken. Southern states were predominantly Democratic; it was actually the Democrats who gave birth to Jim Crow laws. Quite the irony, methinks.
 

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Sorry guys, I understand the philosophy of being passionately sympathetic, but my heart does not bleed for anyone. I believe in fairness, not blind compassion.

Sure, I can sympathize with that, but you could have omitted the "bitchy women" and "whorish" expressions while at it, I'd say. Unless you purposely want to come across as a moron, that is.
 

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Excuse me, but you are mistaken. Southern states were predominantly Democratic; it was actually the Democrats who gave birth to Jim Crow laws. Quite the irony, methinks.

not really since the democrats of the era are now the republicans. Around Eisenhower/Kennedy's era, there was a major shift in political lines, hence when Republicans claim to be the part of Nixon it is a laughable statement at best. So by the 60s, they were in support of Jim Crowe Laws. Add to it, future republican candidates made many references to supporting reinstating these kinds of laws. It was never direct, but alluded to with fervent support of "States rights" in deciding the matter. Barry Goldwater was a cunt.
 

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How would they be able to do that? Why don't the blacks feel represented by the GOP? The GOP was in favor of rights for blacks if I look at the history.

Civil rights was a regional thing. The South (former confederacy and it's territorial allies) vs the former Union states. Up through the 1950's, Republicans were mostly concentrated in the North, whereas Democrats had a broad collation across all regions, but sheer dominance of the south.

If you look at votes on things like the civil rights act of 1964, Almost everyone in the South was against it and almost everyone in the north was for it. If you break it down by party AND geography, Democrats still gave more support than Republicans.

House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

So anyways... Southern Democrats started leaving the party in the early 1950's. And especially after 1964. Some of the most notorious ones (Strom Thurmond) left, dabbled in creating regional independent parties and then joined the GOP.
 

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It wasn't just Romney. Many of the GOP candidates were just out of touch with the voters. Gays in the military is probably the least of the concerns of the public.
 

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Social issues are important to younger voters.

I'm going Gary Johnson 2016 baby.
 

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Are you people serious? I've been following the gun-control debate here with some interest, and I must say I can't believe my eyes.

I assume most of you are balanced, well-educated people. I am by no means anti-American; quite the contrary. I specialised in American Literature as a grad student, took American Historiography...

But how can you argue against gun control in this day and age? Actually, how can you argue against the abolition of your "right to bear arms"? Are you guys blind?

I am a fiscal conservative. I believe in small government. I would also love to have guns, as many and as big as possible. Hell, I'd have a machine-gun emplacement on my roof if I could. But reality dictates otherwise here in Germany, on both accounts. 45% of my salary is fucking taxes, and there's no way I can have guns. In return for those painful compromises, however, I get a crime rate that would make you blush, a health system which covers about everything except plastic surgery, proper roads (Autobahn!), and a place where I can be sure I won't have to sell my organs to pay for my chidren's education.

Again, I admire America. I admire its history, its culture; Heinlein is my prophet, TANSTAAFL my creed. But, seriously? You believe this "right" of yours is doing you any good????? :spock:
 

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But how can you argue against gun control in this day and age? Actually, how can you argue against the abolition of your "right to bear arms"? Are you guys blind?

The entire American Culture (Economy) is built on fear and over-consumption. Guns are the cornerstone of both.
 

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I am a fiscal conservative. I believe in small government. I would also love to have guns, as many and as big as possible. Hell, I'd have a machine-gun emplacement on my roof if I could. But reality dictates otherwise here in Germany, on both accounts. 45% of my salary is fucking taxes, and there's no way I can have guns. In return for those painful compromises, however, I get a crime rate that would make you blush, a health system which covers about everything except plastic surgery, proper roads (Autobahn!), and a place where I can be sure I won't have to sell my organs to pay for my chidren's education.
How are things arranged in the States then? Can an American verify this for me?
How are the roads? How is the healthcare system? Why is there so much protest against the healthcare system Obama proposed? Am I missing information that you Americans have?

I like America: You have a lot of debts and people STILL call your economy the best in the world lol.
Also, I like Burger King, KFC, McDonalds, American death metal and movies.
 

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How are things arranged in the States then? Can an American verify this for me?
How are the roads? How is the healthcare system? Why is there so much protest against the healthcare system Obama proposed? Am I missing information that you Americans have?

I like America: You have a lot of debts and people STILL call your economy the best in the world lol.
Also, I like Burger King, KFC, McDonalds, American death metal and movies.

The ansswer to all of your questions (except for the one about the roads) can be answered by:

The entire American Culture (Economy) is built on fear and over-consumption.
 

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How are the roads?
The quality of the roads in America varies from state to state. They are above average in Georgia; just lots of traffic congestion in and around Atlanta

How is the healthcare system? Why is there so much protest against the healthcare system Obama proposed?
Opinions vary greatly; mostly due to Obamacare.

IMO the government does a good job of fucking up whatever it takes over. The decline of the United State Postal System is a perfect example. Over the past 5 years 25 billions dollars has been lost. Obamacare will eventually follow suit, by also going bankrupt.
 

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But how can you argue against gun control in this day and age? Actually, how can you argue against the abolition of your "right to bear arms"? Are you guys blind?

"...But how can you argue against speech control in this day and age? (I.E. censorship) People die all the time because of speech abuse!"

"Don't you remember how fundamentalist Muslims reacted to the Satanic Verses, or how fundamentalist Muslims reacted to the Danish Muhammad cartoons, or how the fundamentalist Muslims reacted to the Innocence of the Muslims? In each case; fundamentalist Muslims rioted, because they couldn't focus their collective rage on the actual source, and tried threatening, harming, or killing a unrelated third party. So it is necessary to limit all speech to prevent fundamentalist Muslims from threatening, harming, or killing (yet another) unrelated third group."


Having said that, calling disarmament "gun control" was a brilliant bit of marketing and rebranding, because who wants be against "getting guns off the street" and "get guns out of the hands of criminals"; as it's one of those: "Have you stopped beating your wife?"-types of semantic traps.

However, in this case, the "getting guns off the street"-bit always omits one key word; "-legal". What disarmament-types are really advocating is: "getting legal guns off the street", and the second part: "get guns out of the hands of criminals" is meaningless, because more laws mandating registration, background checks, and the like, don't actually affect actual crimes committed by actual criminals, because... well... surprise, surprise; CRIMINALS DON'T ACTUALLY OBEY THE LAW.

The vast majority of criminals who use guns in the commission of a crime (which statistically, in America, are mostly gang-bangers and/or drug dealers in highly-urbanized city areas, fighting over injuries to their small... er... egos and/or turf) will NEVER submit to a background check or registration or be limited by having a felon-status, because the guns criminals use are acquired via illegal means: either having been stolen, illegally sold, or smuggled in.

The United Kingdom banned guns, but is still affected by gun-crime. In fact: a resident of the U.K. is three times more likely to be assaulted with a weapon, statistically, than an American. Your disarmament... er... "gun control", only makes it harder for people who want to obey the law to do so.


So, HOW DARE WE GUN OWNERS TRY TO DEFEND OUR RIGHTS because an unrelated third party broke the law. How can we be so blind?
 
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the use of guns is a reflection of the society involved.


Doesn't really speak volumes for our American society.
 

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The vast majority of criminals who use guns in the commission of a crime (which statistically, in America, are mostly gang-bangers and/or drug dealers in highly-urbanized city areas, fighting over injuries to their small... er... egos and/or turf) will NEVER submit to a background check or registration or be limited by having a felon-status, because the guns criminals use are acquired via illegal means: either having been stolen, illegally sold, or smuggled in.
During the last 10 years, over 700,000 restricted people submitted themselves to background checks and were restricted.
And that is just at gun dealers. Think of the millions of guns that criminals bought from private individuals. Somewhere, every gun is purchased legally. If you close some of the channels available to criminals, guns will be harder for criminals to get. Universal background checks will start to make it harder for criminals to get guns.
 

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the use of guns is a reflection of the society involved.


Doesn't really speak volumes for our American society.

What does it say when a society gives up their guns and hands their government absolute control?
 

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How come Reagan isn't on the bottom row of your poster?
 

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What people (including people on both sides of the debate here in the US) don't realize is the deep, polarized cultural "us vs. them" subtext insofar as the first amendment is concerned.

The people on the right view their right to bear arms as sacrosanct (due to decades of this being drilled into their heads via the NRA) and view the banning of firearms as a direct attack on their basic rights as American citizens. Until the left FUCKING GETS THIS- fiiiinaly, and realizes the banning of firearms needs to be a slow, gradual shift instead of a sudden social revolution- this issue stands the very real chance of actually causing dangerous civil unrest.

The truth is that both sides have become so MOTHERFUCKING POLARIZED that gradual, pragmatic (re: the best) solutions serve no one. Because any idea has to serve one side being 'right' over the other or be selectively tuned out.

We live in shit times, the worst in my lifetime as far as the quality of the individual American thinking for themselves.

But I'll just go on as I have my entire miserable life seeing the (to me) GLARING realities of this not-so-hard-to-navigate world and acknowledging- to my horror- that people are fucking idiots who are not so much blind- but 'want to be blind because it's easy!'.
 

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I don't think the people on the right are entirely pro guns, and obviously on the left you still have Howard Dean. But the parties like to pick the most predictable sides and tell everyone to toe those lines.

If Obama came out and said all y'all need to buy guns and support guns, and suck a lot of big black dick, you would have an army of jetta and saturn driving girls wielding guns down El Camino Real looking for a Weinerschnitzel to stick up.

People don't want to make their own minds up anymore.
 

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How are things arranged in the States then? Can an American verify this for me?
How are the roads? How is the healthcare system? Why is there so much protest against the healthcare system Obama proposed? Am I missing information that you Americans have?

I'm Canadian so I may be wrong, but as the name implies the US is a UNION of states that are fairly autonomous with how they are governed...usually in a way that is tailor made for the cultural demographics found within each state. So left leaning states can allow gay marriage while others don't, while right wing states allow full auto gun ownership or god knows what else.

Institutions like healthcare, roads, education, etc. are subsidized in Europe by taxpayer money but in the US many of these services have been denationalized and sold out to private enterprises....many of their highways have been sold to foreign entities who may not have Americas best interests in heart.

It stands to reason that other institutions like hospitals, prisons, and universities are little more than privately owned money farms that incentivise severe punishment for petty crime, poor health care, and poor education for anyone who is unfortunate enough to not be born rich.

Obama promised a shift to a more universally affordable form of healthcare, but increasing taxes to publicly fund a privately owned, greedy, rotten, corporate infrastructure is a bandaid over a bullet wound, so to speak. Unless they clean house and re nationalize healthcare and other services, raising taxes will never work....and only jobless hippy faggots and/or clueless Europeans wonder why its such a bad idea.
 
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