Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

norton9478

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There's no turning back the turning point of a career in Korea. Being insincere, the holiday was fun packed. the contract still intact
The grabbing hands grab all they can all for themselves after all
 

norton9478

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The fact that South Korea actually eventually became somewhat of functioning democratic republic after we installed the regime there in the name of preserving and expanding democracy is a miracle in itself.

We must have screwed up somewhere.
 

Xavier

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It’s okay Norton, look at all the good work we did in the Phillipenes.

So if it's not us it'll be someone else, say China.

50 years ago we normalized relations with them, we influenced them and changed them for better and worse and now we need to worry about their expanding military and growing influence.

So what's worse, I don't know. But before that we fought two proxy wars against them. It might be the typical Chinese citizen enjoys a better life than they did 50 years ago.

https://www.axios.com/us-philippine...vfa-fe9462e1-1bcd-421c-aa59-cdd7adb1241c.html
 
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lithy

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So if it's not us it'll be someone else, say China.

50 years ago we normalized relations with them, we influenced them and changed them for better and worse and now we need to worry about their expanding military and growing influence.

So what's worse, I don't know. But before that we fought two proxy wars against them. It might be the typical Chinese citizen enjoys a better life than they did 50 years ago.

https://www.axios.com/us-philippine...vfa-fe9462e1-1bcd-421c-aa59-cdd7adb1241c.html

It is always such a self reinforcing cycle though. Why should we maintain good relations with the Phillipines? Because it is militarily convenient. Why should we care about our military influence in the area? Because if not, China fills the void. So we maintain worldwide military outposts at tremendous cost simply to keep our 'friends' by the point of a gun.

Who gives a shit? How does any of this actually help Americans in America except for the ones lining their pockets off the DoD budget?

"She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."
 

evil wasabi

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It is always such a self reinforcing cycle though. Why should we maintain good relations with the Phillipines? Because it is militarily convenient. Why should we care about our military influence in the area? Because if not, China fills the void. So we maintain worldwide military outposts at tremendous cost simply to keep our 'friends' by the point of a gun.

Who gives a shit? How does any of this actually help Americans in America except for the ones lining their pockets off the DoD budget?

"She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."

A large consideration is that we want to keep countries commercially open to the USA, and we know that if given the opportunity, China would close off all of Asia, the middle east, and Africa to the USA. Back when the US was pushing the Open Door Policy, there was a valid fear that China or Japan would find a way to keep the US out of their markets. We are seeing this come back into vogue over 120 years later, as China is expanding into more countries, and taking control of resources and utilities.

As much as you may want to say (not ask) "who gives a shit", the people of these compromised nations are worse off than when the US was involved, no matter what Noam Chomsky wants to say about it (and he has said a lot, to the benefit of countries that salivate at the prospect of a weakened US). At the same time, we become more beholden to China as any manufacturing competition is seized or shut down by China. We will have to buy from China, and their prices have been less and less competitive, as they have realized this. In turn, Adam Smith would wonder if we are truly a great country, if we have pissed away our ability to secure the best prices for the most goods.
 

wyo

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A large consideration is that we want to keep countries commercially open to the USA, and we know that if given the opportunity, China would close off all of Asia, the middle east, and Africa to the USA. Back when the US was pushing the Open Door Policy, there was a valid fear that China or Japan would find a way to keep the US out of their markets. We are seeing this come back into vogue over 120 years later, as China is expanding into more countries, and taking control of resources and utilities.

As much as you may want to say (not ask) "who gives a shit", the people of these compromised nations are worse off than when the US was involved, no matter what Noam Chomsky wants to say about it (and he has said a lot, to the benefit of countries that salivate at the prospect of a weakened US). At the same time, we become more beholden to China as any manufacturing competition is seized or shut down by China. We will have to buy from China, and their prices have been less and less competitive, as they have realized this. In turn, Adam Smith would wonder if we are truly a great country, if we have pissed away our ability to secure the best prices for the most goods.

China's rise was facilitated by America's faustian trade policies. Trump recognizes this and has fought back to some extent. Do you think Biden will do a better job at keeping the Chinese in check? Won't he just go back to the bipartisan embrace of China and continue the slow sellout process?
 

evil wasabi

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China's rise was facilitated by America's faustian trade policies. Trump recognizes this and has fought back to some extent. Do you think Biden will do a better job at keeping the Chinese in check? Won't he just go back to the bipartisan embrace of China and continue the slow sellout process?

You're setting up a catch 22, in which the options are defending our manufacturing and "trade balance" (which I don't care about), or letting China expand into the rest of Asia, Africa, and South America. I am saying we should have stopped their expansionism. Trump isn't. So this is a problem that doesn't work with whataboutism.
 

norton9478

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My step grandfather spent something like 2 years in the Philippines hiding from the Japanese Imperial Forces. He lived off the hospitality of the villagers... Which amounted to a handful of rice a day and whatever they could find. Finally, they were rescued by the Australians and they only had mutton. It was the only time in his life he was glad to have mutton.

He never ate rice after that. He'd come with us to a chinese restaurant and eat anything... except rice. He was no loser.
 
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