Video Gaming and Materialism: What are your thoughts?

HeartlessNinny

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First off, just let me say that taking one's cues from Fight Club is a terrible idea. The whole point was Tyler was wrong, for crying out loud. And yes, materialism is bad, but running off to the woods to live like a crazy mountain man is bad too (exception: Merc).

Anyway. I'm happy to say that I suspect I enjoy a greater level of personal freedom than most people I know. I'm beholden to no one. I do what I want when I want to do it. If I decide to fuck off to Europe or the Middle East or whatever for a couple months, I do it. I wish I had more money so I could do that sort of thing more often, but I consider myself to be pretty well off.

There's a downside to this. I think a lot of people would find my existence to be somewhat lonely, but as I've aged I've realized that I value my freedom more than I do companionship, so I make my decisions accordingly.

When it comes to materialism, I don't buy things unless I either need them or genuinely think I'll glean a lot of enjoyment from them. So yeah, I own 25 odd bow ties, but I honestly enjoy having a big collection and wearing them as I see fit.

When I was a kid, I bought junk I didn't need all the time in an futile effort to convince myself I was having fun, and my things meant a lot to me. They still do, but I'm way, way more choosy about what I add to my life. To me that's a good balance.

Phew. Got kinda personal in this one. :emb:
 

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I too grew up as a gamer, ever since I can remember I have had a controller in my hand, starting with Atari 2600 in the 80s! I kept all of my games growing up, I do not know when it happened, but somewhere down the line I crossed the boundary from gamer to collector. I started getting extremely paranoid about the condition of my games, so much so that I would not play them, I would be content with leaving them factory sealed, and safe and hope that I could get a burned copy and play on a modded system or borrow a different copy from work. I would also collect games just because they were made by a certain company, or because they had a character from a series I liked. This is when I realized it was a sickness and I had to step back in a major way.

I started selling EVERYTHING! I call it the "big purge"

I started by selling all of my Dreamcast games, then one by one I was selling games for each system, I sold about half of my games before I took a break just from the workload of selling everything. Final Fantasy XI online took up my time and I enjoyed that. when I got burned out on that (5 years later) I had the hankering to play Ikaruga again, and this is where it hit me I am still a gamer deep inside.

I decided to take tally of my remaining wares and weed out the 'collectables' and keep what I truly enjoy. Unfortunately there are a few of games that I did sell during the "big purge" that I miss a lot, and sadly they now go for twice, even three times what I sold them for. God I miss Gleylancer .....

I am no longer a collector, but I like to consider myself a avid gamer, with a nice library. I still pace myself as to try to stay between the boundaries of being a game aficionado, and a collector.

If you play your games and fully enjoy them, keep them. If you have them just to look at them, and covet them. You have a sickness. Plain and simple.
 

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this is essentially another thread about dumping one's collection. There's nothing wrong with that, as i debate this endlessly myself. You think my Neo games are doing something on my shelf? The positive is that it's so easy to obtain most of this stuff again, which where the real fun is in my opinion.

As bad as videogame collecting is.. there are much worse hobbies.

The truth is these games have no real value.
 

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I do what I want when I want to do it. If I decide to fuck off to Europe or the Middle East or whatever for a couple months, I do it. I wish I had more money so I could do that sort of thing more often, but I consider myself to be pretty well off.

How do you do this sort of thing? Do you have a job? Traveling is expensive as fuck. I can't imagine a job that allows you to fuck off for months at a time whenever you want. Or did you inherit a large sum of money or something? I'm curious, especially since you consider yourself to be well off.
 

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When it comes to video games, I feel that there is a very fine line between materialism and appreciation.

One of the things that I hold true about video games is that it's not about the CD, the cartridge, or the console. You don't love the physical aspect of the video games. You love the experience. That experience comes across in a number of ways. It can be in the gameplay. It can be in how the presentation makes you feel. It can be memories of playing with friends.

It can be any number of things, but there is also a physical aspect that cannot be denied. This usually comes in the form of the chase. Sometimes these are the extremely simple memories of being in your parents' car while driving to Toys R Us to buy a new game and remembering a particular fence on the way there. Every time you see that fence, you are reminded of that day. Other times it's babysitting all summer so you can afford the big blockbuster in the fall.

The thing I find hard to stay too terribly attached to is the cartridges and CDs. In fact, this was one of the things I thought about when getting my CMVS a few months ago. My plan was to sell a bunch of my old NES and SNES games to offset the cost of my CMVS. I now have flashcarts for those systems, so I can still play them.

However, there is still a nagging feeling when it comes to some of those old pieces of plastic and silicon. Sure, I can play Al Unser Jr.'s Turbo Racing on my PowerPak, but I wouldn't be playing the cartridge that my aunt gave me for my 9th birthday. I could play Excitebike on my PowerPak, but I would no longer have the very first NES cartridge I ever received as a child. (Santa left Excitebike under the tree with a note telling me to check the TV stand. It was there that I found my NES with Mario/Duck Hunt all set up and ready to play.) Hell, I've already decided to never sell Mega Man 2 and probably 6, so where do I draw the line? Then I have to backtrack when I realize that I likely will never actually use those old cartridges again because the flashcarts work so much better, so how much use am I really getting out of having the originals?

Even though I already have my CMVS, I still haven't sold any of the games I planned to.

And that begs the question, "Why even buy a CMVS to begin with?" Well, you've got a point there. To be honest, I spent a lot of time playing Neo Geo games via emulation. I know, it's emulation, but I never had a chance to play many Neo Geo games before I got into emulation in 2001. Just about the only game I ever played in arcades was Bust a Move. There were a few other very early Neo Geo games, but I'd never even seen a Fatal Fury beyond the first one or any KOF games at all. I heard about Neo Geo in emulation circles, and I tried it out. NeoRageX became one of my most-used programs before too long. I spent more time with the MOTW prototype than many games I owned.

So now I'm sure you're still wondering why I wanted a CMVS. Well, I just wanted one. There's not much to explain. It was just a feeling. I couldn't put it behind me. The Analogue Interactive console was what sparked my interest, but I was having a hard time justifying spending so much money on one. I came awfully close a few times, but I ultimately decided against it long enough to find an excellent deal on a 4-slot CMVS on ebay. I am extremely happy with it. I play it all the time, and it's nice to finally go legit with a bunch of games that I loved on emulators for so long. I even have a legit MOTW, and having it is like a dream come true.

As for the hardware... That's the tricky part. I do fancy myself a bit of an original hardware nut, so I do like owning the original consoles. Now, that can necessitate owning a lot of cartridges and CDs. Flashcarts facilitate the usage of original hardware without needing the original software. When done well, they work better than the original software and open up many extra possibilities that the original software would never allow. When not done well, as seen in the MVS multicarts, they can be a drag. That's one of the main reasons why I only have original MVS carts.

Getting back to the point of the hardware itself, emulation isn't perfect. It has its ups, such as better audio for Genesis games, and downs, such as the lack of good Saturn emulation for the longest time. I'm normally not too picky about how well something gets emulated for me to enjoy something, but I find that, more often than not, there are still a few games that just aren't quite right or flat out aren't supported with emulation. I do have an SDTV HTPC connected via S-video for emulation purposes, but I've gravitated even more towards original hardware in the past year or so specifically because of the nuances of the original hardware.

Now, original hardware isn't always easy. I know it's going to get harder when I move on to HDTV, too. (The only HD display in my home is my PC monitor.) I've already researched upscalers, and I've pretty much resigned myself to getting an XRGB Mini or whatever is best at the time I make the jump into the HD realm. And I know about failing caps and electronic components. I've got the soldering skills to handle that, though.

Because of reasons such as those, some people may not want to ever become original hardware nuts. It wouldn't be worth it for them. However, it works for me. It maintains the immaterial nature of video games best for me.

That's not to say that I've always been immaterial about my video games, though. I had a phase where I was collecting just about every NES game I could find. I even have a number of Color Dreams and Wisdom Tree games. I could probably sell them no problem. I have over 100 NES cartridges. I know I don't enjoy many of them. Whether or not I will sell them remains to be seen, but it has affected what games I buy today. Mainly, I only buy what I want to play. I adopted that mentality from my comic book reading. (Yes, reading. Not collecting.) I've found myself to be much happier with what I buy these days. Even on my Steam account, with its over 100 games, I have played many of them. The games I haven't played are usually just collateral damage from well-priced packs containing games that I did want to play.

Do whatever works for you.. If you like to buy and keep what you enjoy playing, go right ahead. If you like to have an AVGN/Gamester81 museum of video game hardware and software, you do that, too.

Me? I'm a gamer. Somebody give me a Ferrari F355 Challenge 2 multiple monitor cabinet. I'll play the heck out of that.
 

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I hate these threads, they always make me want to reevaluate my life
 

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You don't want to admit you're lying.

I'm really not.

How do you do this sort of thing? Do you have a job? Traveling is expensive as fuck. I can't imagine a job that allows you to fuck off for months at a time whenever you want. Or did you inherit a large sum of money or something? I'm curious, especially since you consider yourself to be well off.

I'm lucky. I have a really flexible schedule and I don't need to be around all the time.

As for specifics, well, I may have exaggerated how long I'm gonna be in Europe -- it's gonna be 5 weeks, not 2 months.

Money wise, I suspect I have less than a lot of people here. But I like to think I manage it really well (hence the trips, etc). I put away a ton of money for retirement, for instance. I want to be well off as an old man.
 

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There's a downside to this. I think a lot of people would find my existence to be somewhat lonely, but as I've aged I've realized that I value my freedom more than I do companionship, so I make my decisions accordingly.
More power to you. There are a lot of drawbacks to having a woman in your life. They can be more trouble than they're worth. It's not so bad to deal with a little loneliness now and then to save yourself the headache of dependents.

I started getting extremely paranoid about the condition of my games, so much so that I would not play them, I would be content with leaving them factory sealed, and safe and hope that I could get a burned copy and play on a modded system or borrow a different copy from work.
That's cheating. You got to play the game while keeping an unused copy. It's borderline piracy when you think about it.

this is essentially another thread about dumping one's collection. There's nothing wrong with that, as i debate this endlessly myself. You think my Neo games are doing something on my shelf? The positive is that it's so easy to obtain most of this stuff again, which where the real fun is in my opinion.
Some collectors are a little too comfortable with sending these vintage items endlessly through the mail. Do you trust the postal system that much? Over time the supply is going to get worn out. It's better to buy what you want and keep it in one place where it belongs. I get the point that possessions are fleeting, but all of this buy and sell over time is really an exercise in futility.
 
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More power to you. There are a lot of drawbacks to having a woman in your life. They can be more trouble than they're worth. It's not so bad to deal with a little loneliness now and then to save yourself the headache of dependents.

Thanks.

Just so I'm clear, though, just let me say: I don't deliberately avoid women or anything, I just recognize the fact that I'm not a relationship guy. I'm hard to get along with in the long term. I'm too used to getting things my way and without even realizing it I make things tough.

So I didn't sit down one day and say, "Fuck women, this is dumb." (Okay, fine, that thought did cross my mind... but you get the idea.) I just gradually came to the realization that I'm not the kind of guy who's going to settle down and start a family, and I figured that the sooner I came to terms with that, the happier I'd be.

Well, lo and behold, at this stage in my life I consider myself very happy. I may not be beating women off with a stick or anything, but I live my life on my own terms and free from compromise. I try to embrace my strengths and accept my weaknesses. It sounds stupid, but it makes me feel content.

Phew. Yep. Definitely got kinda personal with this one. :emb: :lolz:
 

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I was saying more or less the same thing about myself until recently. Then I found the right person and it just happened. Anyway, I can see plenty of merit to staying single these days, especially as a man (being able to keep all your income for yourself).

The author of Going Solo was on Bill Maher a couple weeks ago, and his interview had me agreeing a lot. Basically, our society's attitude about singles has changed a lot.
 

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Moving from the US to the UK really helped me get rid of materialistic habits. I, like most here, had lots of collections (games, cds, dvds, etc) and loads and loads and loads of them. Opportunity came up for me to relocate so I did and wound up selling all my stuff. It was so nice fitting all my possessions in about 2 suitcases.

Right now I have a 360 and a Wii. I probably have about 20 disc based games and loads of virtual based games. I have an ipod, a laptop and a blackberry (work phone). Otherwise besides clothes that's about it. I buy games maybe once a year and sell them as I beat them. I play more XBLA since its quick and easy and doesn't consume all my time.

I went from wanting a huge house with lots of things to fill it up, to not wanting a house at all yet and just living/travelling where ever I can. Really nice to be rid of all the clutter and things that I barely even touched.
 

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Since I moved from Greece to the UK, 36 (yes, thirty -six) cardboard boxes will be coming to where I live now so I sort them and sell about 60% of all my gaming stuff

One side of me is kind of unhappy as I've always wanted my own home, with my own gaming room, displaying all my gaming stuff etc

But seriously what LustForLard said holds very true. Having lots of stuff limits you in many ways. One of them is travelling and moving places. Other things like caring for your stuff, storing/displaying it properly, the amount of space it occupies etc are a real nuisance after a while

Of course on the other hand, selling all of it is a baaaaaaad idea. For me, I'll sell most of my double or boxed consoles and keep all the loose stuff. I can live without having an R7 Dreamcast that I will never get to play cause its brand new or a Japanese Mega CD since I have a CDX and you get the picture.

I'll definately keep all my PS1 and PS2 games and some Dreamcast one's. All the other stuff I can easily do without

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Of course on the other hand, selling all of it is a baaaaaaad idea. For me, I'll sell most of my double or boxed consoles and keep all the loose stuff. I can live without having an R7 Dreamcast that I will never get to play cause its brand new or a Japanese Mega CD since I have a CDX and you get the picture.

I'll definately keep all my PS1 and PS2 games and some Dreamcast one's. All the other stuff I can easily do without

:)

Can't travel and move around if you don't get rid of 95% of it ;)

To be serious though, I just don't have the time to play all of it. Therefore if I wont play it then it might as well go to a better home. I've been playing Rage for 2 months now, just can't find the time really. I can't even imagine being married or having kids and having time to play games a lot....
 

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A guy told me one time, "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."


I've had several purges throughout my 20s, been in and out of game owning/collecting. If you have an interest in this hobby, as any other, you hope to eventually settle on a nice balance of possessions that enrich your life without becoming a materialistic burden. This balance is different for everyone, and finding it is the key to being at peace with yourself and not being encumbered or overwhelmed by your hobbies.

That said, if your balance is drastically different from mine, you're not going to be able to relate to me or understand my position in life. If you're able to hoard 20 complete Cave kits or spend $10-30K on a single video game, you're living with blinders on and are oblivious to what people are going through just trying to survive in this economy.
 

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Relocating is going to eventually move most of us to DLC, emulation and piracy. Kind of sad.
 

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I forgot I posted this until just now. Suprised there are actually a lot of responses with good information. I posted this because i'm taking a class at school and wanted some ideas for my paper on materialism. Yes i'm 31 and still attend Ohio State University. Because like a few people mentioned earlier, I also had a pretty poor upbringing growing up in trashy Xenia Ohio. There were multiple summers when we didn't have electricity, or water. Which meant a lot of soggy balogna samitches. I still wont eat bologna, or as I like to call it BoLOG-na till this day. Luckily the old man next door let us run a extension cable from my bedroom window so my friends and I could play Metal Warriors on SNES. Good times! Anyway, there was no college in Xenia,.... or a job... After several years I got fed up and got a crappy job washing dishes, saved up $2000 and bought a crappy $500 Geo Storm, or as we all called it the Geo Sperm, and attemped to move to columbus ohio, well, my car was stolen and totaled and they never caught the thief (one of my OLD best friends my parents took in and let live with us), but I didn't let that stop me. Worked a few more months, bought a corsica, and eventually made it to Columbus and got lucky and landed a job at the local hopital driving a bus, then met people and got a job in registration in the ER, then got in good and got a job as a nursing ASSistant in the ER, where I currently work. Since I really like my job I decided to go to nursing school at Columbus State Comm College. After working full time, and going to school part time for 3 years I finally met the prerequisites for nursing school. Then the quarter before I was to apply they decided to do this Semester transition from quarters and put a hold on nursing application till Jan 2013. After waiting a year I decided screw it and now go to osu for electrical engineering (that way I can mod consoles, and I get to take a few Physics courses).

To the guy who mentioned fight club, just because Tyler was a failure doesn't mean the quote isn't a good piece of information. Tyler burning his apartment wasn't what made him a loser. There are plenty of losers in history with famous quotes.

Finally, I think the thing to remember here is that the theory of materialism has been around for a long time, and times change. Someone who is an artist would most likely never be considered materialistic, but go to your local art store and see how much paint brushes, pastels, and oil and water colors cost. I doubt they would part with them. The quote has some valid meaning worth taking in, but it's essentially the equivilent of your mother saying games are dumb. It's the meaning of the games to you, and what you get from them. There's probably not much meaning in Grand Theft Auto, but something like Ico, dare I say it Final Fantasy VII, or as someonle else mentioned Braid, could have meaning and you could learn from it.

I think the main thing anyone should get from this post is that gaming because it brings back memories is good. Whats the difference between playing Kid Icarus because you and your cousin use to play it, as opposed to wandering back to the old fishing pond the two of you use to fish at as kids? It's the memories that matter. People in my opinion should play games they get something from, because if the game doesn't have some form of meaning then in my opinion is not a game worth playing. I thnk that's why I play Last Blade over Mark of the Wolves, but that's a whole other thread. Buy and keep games that hold or create special memories for you. Don't horde a bunch of mediocre crap cause you think it's ok, because in a world of some amazing games, books, and movies, there's not time to fit in all the average, or even above average crap. You have to be selective.

Also, all the people who think they need to preserve games annoy the crap out of me. That's what ROMS are for.
 

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A guy told me one time, "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner."


I've had several purges throughout my 20s, been in and out of game owning/collecting. If you have an interest in this hobby, as any other, you hope to eventually settle on a nice balance of possessions that enrich your life without becoming a materialistic burden. This balance is different for everyone, and finding it is the key to being at peace with yourself and not being encumbered or overwhelmed by your hobbies.

That said, if your balance is drastically different from mine, you're not going to be able to relate to me or understand my position in life. If you're able to hoard 20 complete Cave kits or spend $10-30K on a single video game, you're living with blinders on and are oblivious to what people are going through just trying to survive in this economy.

Damn right! Exactly my point of view as well
 

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At what point does gaming consume you? At what point have you went too far?

When you spend more hours a week playing games rather than working, socializing, or spending time with family then I think it's fair to say that video games are your drug of choice. /me - raises hand. Whenever someone asks me why I game I always point to that popular article from a couple years ago. A UK Therapist estimated that a two hour gaming session is the equivalent to doing a line of coke. I feel as though that comparison may not be that far off. I still get that same buzz, that same rush and exhilaration as I did when I played the NES for the first time when I was seven years old.

Materialism? That's a concept that I no longer associate with this hobby of ours. From a materialistic perspective, games are nothing more than a waste of space to me. They are a disposable piece of entertainment, like a stiff drink or a good meal. Experience it, finish it or don't, move on to the next.

Art? Viewing video games as anything other than art is an inconsequential consideration. Mulitiple individuals pour considerable time and effort into a single finished piece. Drawing, painting, sculpture, acting, dancing, writing, filmmaking, photography, and music. All of these areas of the "fine arts" are used in the production of today's big budget video games.
 
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I was saying more or less the same thing about myself until recently. Then I found the right person and it just happened. Anyway, I can see plenty of merit to staying single these days, especially as a man (being able to keep all your income for yourself).

The author of Going Solo was on Bill Maher a couple weeks ago, and his interview had me agreeing a lot. Basically, our society's attitude about singles has changed a lot.

Yeah, that's a good attitude. Can't say I disagree.

To the guy who mentioned fight club, just because Tyler was a failure doesn't mean the quote isn't a good piece of information. Tyler burning his apartment wasn't what made him a loser. There are plenty of losers in history with famous quotes.

Well of course Fight Club is very quotable, but that doesn't mean it should be a basis on which to form your life's philosophy. I really don't get how people need to have it explained to them that burning down your house and throwing everything away isn't a good idea. It's a negative example... You know, of something you shouldn't do. I'm pretty sure Jack didn't kill Tyler in the end because he was right. Sheesh.

A UK Therapist estimated that a two hour gaming session is the equivalent to doing a line of coke. I feel as though that comparison may not be that far off. I still get that same buzz, that same rush and exhilaration as I did when I played the NES for the first time when I was seven years old.

This is patently ridiculous. I seriously doubt that anyone who's actually done any coke would agree with this premise.

If you want to make the case that games are addictive, that's one thing (though I still don't agree with it), but to directly compare playing a game to doing coke? It's absolutely absurd, and listening to drivel like that is what gives gaming a bad name by brainless reactionaries.
 

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This is patently ridiculous. I seriously doubt that anyone who's actually done any coke would agree with this premise. If you want to make the case that games are addictive, that's one thing (though I still don't agree with it), but to directly compare playing a game to doing coke? It's absolutely absurd, and listening to drivel like that is what gives gaming a bad name by brainless reactionaries.

Fair enough. Maybe it is a bit closer to skydiving, or driving over 200mph perhaps? Although I've done neither of those either. :( But they are on the bucket list.
 

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To be honest I doubt it's like either of those, but I certainly don't disparage your point. If you get a visceral thrill from playing a game, that's what we're talking about, right?

I'm just saying that going around comparing that shit to doing coke is going to freak everyone out and totally muddy the debate to the point where there whole argument is lost. And I'm not too sure that there's a point to that debate anyway -- some people get a thrill from stealing, or masturbating in public, or whatever...
 

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I'm going to use Neo Alec and Geddon_jt as an example here. I know there are more, but hear me out.

Both are huge Neo Geo fans, both have been into it for a long time. Both can balance their hobby. That wall of games didn't come overnight. It has taken both of them years to get where they are. This type of collecting is fine by me. They didn't dish out a ton of money to have instant gratification.

Then you have people that I'm not going to mention, but a lot like Bibliophile.

- Buy up everything in sight
- Don't have the means (equipment) to even play some of it
- Neglect most of it
- Buy more
- Earn a rep for buying and not playing
- Selling and constantly trading
- Have an enormous backlog of games

Hey, it's your money, do what you want.

I'll be honest, I know the location of quite a few games I'd like to try out - but their owners refuse to let them go because of the "value" of said game. These games will sit unplayed for years.

If you're getting into shooters and you can't play them, why would you buy more?

Had I sucked or not been able to score in the first few PCB's I bought, I would have given up - its not fun not being able to make it past stage 3.

There are people I know that have so much stuff that they don't even remember half the shit they own.

But there is always that "need to buy something" feeling - so they just keep on adding to their pile.

To me, it's a waste of money. But whatever.

I finally have a hobby that I truly enjoy.

- 2 Candy Cabs
- 9 PCB's

That's all I own.

I'm possibly going to get 3 more PCB's and that's it.

I can't imagine having 30 PCB's - yet some people have 100-1000 PCB's - how can that even be fun?

I also have a family, a house, vehicles to maintain, bills, my daughters activities, work, responsibilities ECT.

Letting material items ruin your life, or put you in a position that you have to sell them to fix a car or pay a bill is ridiculous.

Quit buying shit.
 
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