Magpul Prototype folding glock - for the gun fanatics

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Abasuto said:
It's hard for me to believe that we're still using guns based on bullets. Minus the rate of fire, weight, accuracy..etc, modern guns aren't any different than the originals. Old technology.

As a little kid I'd of swore we'd of had plasma rifles by now.

The mechanical nature of firearms is part of their appeal to me.

They're quaint devices in many respects.

The last major breakthough in firearm tech arguably was over 100 years ago in 1895 when our good friend Hiram Maxim developed/invented/stumbled upon how to make fully automatic firearms. Since then most weapons have operated on that principle (though certainly many refinements have been made).

I'll still waiting for the Moon Base and the Mission to Mars.
 

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Lagduf said:
I'll still waiting for the Moon Base and the Mission to Mars.

I'm still waiting for realistic porn.

You know, where you pull out and move upwards only to be told "you get that shit on me and you won't be getting none for months you nasty bastard".
 

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Mercenary X99 said:
#1> Yeah that's right, I keep saying LV 1 body armor, but it's actually LV 2 body armor that stops most pistol ammo. I have one personally that I use for my job as a Commissioned Security Enforcement Officer [SEO], but I got if off a Constable I used to work with, and it's a LV 2 type that is made to be worn OVER a uniform and/or Tactical "Raid" uniform. It's shit for wearing underneath the standard Class A uniform. That DragonSkin type is what I want, but that'll set you back about $1,000 bucks easily, but it's form fitting and can be worn under the shirt. I had an incident last week (last Tuesday to be exact) where I stopped (2) individuals from breaking into a woman's car, and the two would be thieves in this supermarket parking lot jumped into a Suburban, drove up on me and stared me down making threats. I dismissed them and told 'em to leave... they decided to pull around and make a play.

I waited for the last possible second from the passenger, and sure enough... the bastid had a cell phone in his hand pointing it at me. Thus I never drew my M1911 on them. I would've been within the legal right to have drawn the weapon for their criminal activity and intent, and ordered them out the vehicle, but I stick by my BSG (Brown Shoe Grunt) upbringing that taught, Be sure, when sure, clear holster and discharge weapon immediately. But these guys weren't done. They told me "it ain't over" and I realized things weren't going to be normal, so I walked out to my car and put on that LV 2 vest, then my winter duty coat (it was cold outside last week). Could barely move from the waist up but I wasn't taking any chances. They did come back, but it was all bullshit. It's times like this when I feel everyone should have that extra protection. But in my case I'd have rather had a form fitting type. ***As for "criminals" with body armor, yeah man... it was that Los Angeles bank robbery that more or less got the laws changed.

#2> As for what dirt bags on the street mainly carry these days? In truth it varies greatly, but I along with all my LEO buddies on SAPD are damn glad that they don't run around with 12gauge shotguns. For whatever reason, most gang banger types and wreckless youth don't bother with shotguns, which would make hell for Security & Police types. The main weapons I see on the street are .9mm pistols of various makes and models, shitty revolvers of .38 and .357 calibers, and the occassional .40 and .45 calibers, usually of the GLOCK make on the last part. However, some of the more violent types are running around with AK-74SUs and MAC-10s, and I was there on the East Side (here in SATX) the night a raid was made on the housing project I worked and saw at least 4 Uzis, 10 AR-15s and five AK clones being seized. So the gang banger types do have access to more than just pistols, but it's rare to see them in large use.

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Quality post.

Thats some scary shit with regard to those two hoods - glad they were just fucking around but also glad you had the extra protection you would have needed had shirt started to hit the fan. I don't know that I could do what you do Merc with you having a wife and daughter. Mads props to you sir.

The Boy Scout in me has been musing over preparing a "survival/emergency preparedness kit" of sorts to store in my vehicle just in case some major shit ever goes down or just incase I get a wreck/go in a ditch during a snow storm or encounter an emergency where people need first aid.

It's be a fairly large collection of things, rope, first aid kit, matches, blanket, lighter, poncho, etc - stuff like that. Mostly geared towards what if i crashed my car in the middle of nowhere, with no access to help, and had to survive for 24 to 72+ hours on my own OR people (myself included) needed first aid.

I'd like to keep a knife and honestly a firearm (maybe a .22lr/.410 shotgun setup or a hangun)...but since my desired career field is education having a knife or firearm in my car on school property would be a major no-no. Plus some private businesses and government agencies don't want you to have weapons on their premises (parking lot included). I'm sure I could get away with a multi-tool like a leatherman though, especially in MO.

Maybe I should include some level II body armor.

Abasuto said:
I'm still waiting for realistic porn.

You know, where you pull out and move upwards only to be told "you get that shit on me and you won't be getting none for months you nasty bastard".

lolz

Porn where you instantly lose your hard on?
 

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Lagduf said:
Quality post.

Thats some scary shit with regard to those two hoods - glad they were just fucking around but also glad you had the extra protection you would have needed had shirt started to hit the fan. I don't know that I could do what you do Merc with you having a wife and daughter. Mads props to you sir.

The Boy Scout in me has been musing over preparing a "survival/emergency preparedness kit" of sorts to store in my vehicle just in case some major shit ever goes down or just incase I get a wreck/go in a ditch during a snow storm or encounter an emergency where people need first aid.

It's be a fairly large collection of things, rope, first aid kit, matches, blanket, lighter, poncho, etc - stuff like that. Mostly geared towards what if i crashed my car in the middle of nowhere, with no access to help, and had to survive for 24 to 72+ hours on my own OR people (myself included) needed first aid.

I'd like to keep a knife and honestly a firearm (maybe a .22lr/.410 shotgun setup or a hangun)...but since my desired career field is education having a knife or firearm in my car on school property would be a major no-no. Plus some private businesses and government agencies don't want you to have weapons on their premises (parking lot included). I'm sure I could get away with a multi-tool like a leatherman though, especially in MO.

Maybe I should include some level II body armor.



lolz

Porn where you instantly lose your hard on?

#1> Thanks for the compliment. Not everday I have a "Quality Post" moment. *LOL* More or less why I've been MIA around here too, not to mention the fact I've stepped up my game in the SEO field. **As for the danger of what I do for a living. Well bro, I had to accept the fact sometime ago, after leaving the Private Security field (for about 2 months) and enrolling in a college online course study for Medical Transcriptionist... that no matter how far I try to get away from Security Enforcement, Police work, and/or military work of an Independent Contractor status (since the DOD won't even consider anyone with Beetees), this is what I'm good at, and ultimately who I am.

In all honesty, the wife doesn't care for it, but she's finally accepted that she married a Gung Ho point man of the Urban Jungle. Thing is bro, even with the amount of hazing and violence that gets directed at me (and any other SEOs I'm posted with) Security Enforcement doesn't get nowhere near the action tha LEOs see, but this is primarily due to the limited jurisdictional nature of what I do. I don't get to make traffic stops, solve crimes, high speed chase, and stuff like that. My capacity is for the Deterence and/or Prevention of criminal mischief or activity, but if a situation deems it neccessary for the protection of a 3rd party or myself, I can then go into action. THAT SAID, I've had about 5 major situations (2) of which I barely got through alive, on the posts I've worked on for PSCs since 2006, prior to being "commissioned" and since being commissioned. Problem is, outside of speaking vaguely of this, due to professional and legal reasons, I can't really name names of posts worked at, addresss or anything.

I'd like to, but I can't. Strange thing though, is the scariest and down right most crazy moment I've had wasn't on the job. Last March (of 2007) a drug dealer/pimp moved into the condo complex I live at, literally 4 doors down from me. Long story short, I didn't know that Vice was working a case against them, and when the johns started messing with my wife's vehicle and hanging around at night, I got involved off the clock but as a "Home Owner". All the other residents were afraid to get involved, so much so I took to armed patrol (with that bodyarmor under a button up denim shirt) carrying a Mossberg 500 with me and my .357 Desert Eagle in a duty belt + 4 spare mags... and questioned any and all coming onto the property at my end of the building who didn't belong there. Problem was one of the johns was undercover. Somehow they thought I was "the enforcer" for the dealer and I was followed for a week, and I made every tail and what not, thinking I was being tracked by goons for the dealer. It all ended with a raid on the place, but not before there was a misunderstanding with my father and I (coming back from the shooting range), and well, let's just say we drew on the cops they drew on us, AND divine intervention took over. The guy leading the raid was trained as a TI by my father 30 years earlier... thus no gunfight with the good guys, Thank God. Otherwise I'd have accidentally capped the good guys and got torn in half by the guy with the Shotgun and my father would've got it too. I was just glad my wife and child weren't around for that. But I'm getting my Private Investigator (PI) license soon, and I'll by taking cases for the PSC I work for, thus I get to move up a notch in the private sector. Truth is bro, IRL no one wants "gun" action. A person thinks they do (I did) until they see it a few times, then you realize it's not like in the movies. The first time you nearly crap yourself and can barely breathe... but you gotta' move forward and just do the job and/or "Survive".

#2> Having an emergency response kit is paramount bro. A lot of what you wrote down ARE things you should have ready. Though I see the legality problem with the CHL gun inside the car thing on school property. I'm CHL ceritfied but never bothered to get my CHL. I'm going to this time around, but for now I mainly carry a 4 inch Smith & Wesson HRT Tanto knife in a sheath as personal "last resort" carry weapon. It's been in my experience that most of what happens is going to happen fast, and up close enough that I could use a knife when least expected on someone trying to kill me, but I don't run with hoods and stuff, so I don't much worry about it all. Well it's been fun chatting with you bro, but I'm off to go pick up my paycheck, got a lotta' things to do, probably won't be back on the boards for a bit. If you want to read up on the THREE differences of what comprises a "Security" Guard, Security Enforcement Officer, and a Police Officer, then check out my blog here.

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Abasuto said:
I'm still waiting for realistic porn.

You know, where you pull out and move upwards only to be told "you get that shit on me and you won't be getting none for months you nasty bastard".

Wow, sounds like you've been fucking prudish women, Ab.
 

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Lagduf said:
The last major breakthough in firearm tech arguably was over 100 years ago in 1895 when our good friend Hiram Maxim developed/invented/stumbled upon how to make fully automatic firearms. Since then most weapons have operated on that principle (though certainly many refinements have been made).

He developed the first working prototype around 1883-1884 and showed it off to various British officials then. The Maxim Gun Company was established November 1884 with Lord Rothschild investing around 1.9 million pounds into the company because he recognized the potential of the gun.

The first use of the Maxim Gun in battle was in Africa during 1893. Nothing like killing off natives that stand in the way of Empire.
 

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DangerousK said:
He developed the first working prototype around 1883-1884 and showed it off to various British officials then. The Maxim Gun Company was established November 1884 with Lord Rothschild investing around 1.9 million pounds into the company because he recognized the potential of the gun.

The first use of the Maxim Gun in battle was in Africa during 1893. Nothing like killing off natives that stand in the way of Empire.

Maxim is good people.

I blame my wrong date on the time (ie me should have been in bed).
 

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Okay I lied Duf... seems "I'm Back" because I have nothing to do for the next twenty minutes. ***So getting back to the emergency kit thing. You forgot to pack your Gas Mask and at least (2) spare filters. Also it be a good to have some water purification tablets in the trunk along with at least a gallon of water, probably in a well kept ditty bag. Also don't forget to have flares, at least (10) sets of differing types of alkaline batteries, (2) flashlights, a whistle and a collapsible fishing pole. Also invest in a Wiggy's Sleeping Bag. That shit works for the US SEALS and it works for everyone else. Best bag on the market. Outside of this, you could only improve your chances of survival with a $1,000 Motorolla radio of that is capable of picking up emergency response channels and police. If you're in an emergency, you're not going to be worried about getting fined by the FCC for not using proper 10 codes.

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That reminds me. Why can't you put a stock on an "Old West" revolver like what you want for the Lee Van Cleef thing? The C96 Mauser IS legal with it's detatchable buttstock and that particular firearm came out long after the revolving six shooters of the old west. You're the one with that FFL book not me. Strange, I don't own that book. Where'd you get yours?
 
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Mercenary X99 said:
Okay I lied Duf... seems "I'm Back" because I have nothing to do for the next twenty minutes. ***So getting back to the emergency kit thing. You forgot to pack your Gas Mask and at least (2) spare filters. Also it be a good to have some water purification tablets in the trunk along with at least a gallon of water, probably in a well kept ditty bag. Also don't forget to have flares, at least (10) sets of differing types of alkaline batteries, (2) flashlights, a whistle and a collapsible fishing pole. Also invest in a Wiggy's Sleeping Bag. That shit works for the US SEALS and it works for everyone else. Best bag on the market. Outside of this, you could only improve your chances of survival with a $1,000 Motorolla radio of that is capable of picking up emergency response channels and police. If you're in an emergency, you're not going to be worried about getting fined by the FCC for not using proper 10 codes.

I'd never thought of a gas mask...thats getting in to some real "what if" scenarios - but..why the hell not? My goal was to piece the kit together as my budget allowed starting with the most necessary items on moving on to gear that would be nice to have in particular situations. Do you have a gas mask?

The collapsible fishing rod is a wonderful addition, i'll have to write this down. I always intended to have a least a gallon of water - didn't think about any filtration or purification systems though. I have used a few different purifcation and filtration systems while camping in the past - i'll have to do some research in to that as i'm not sure what the pros and cons of each method are.

Flashlights, matches (assorted and in watertight containers), flint and steel, compass, etc all are things i planned on putting in. I'd like two flashlights - one battery powered (will also have extra batteries) and one that is grip pumped or cranked.

I know they make solar powered radios/hand cranked but I was thinking about getting a CB radio as well someday down the road.

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That reminds me. Why can't you put a stock on an "Old West" revolver like what you want for the Lee Van Cleef thing? The C96 Mauser IS legal with it's detatchable buttstock and that particular firearm came out long after the revolving six shooters of the old west. You're the one with that FFL book not me. Strange, I don't own that book. Where'd you get yours?


http://www.atf.treas.gov/dcof/index.htm

Order the most current (FOR FREE - including shipping) edition of federal and state firearm laws.

Click publications (right frame) and then order:

ATF P 5300.4 - Federal Firearms Regulations Reference Guide
ATF P 5300.5 - State Laws and Published Ordinances-Firearms

And there is some other stuff too, like about explosives devices, etc if you are interested in that or other forms you might need.

I first stumbled on this FREE resource early in mid 2004 when doing research on the SA-AWB. I need to order a new set of these, but i'm not sure if they're on a new edition yet (I have 2005 editions).

If I owned an older revolver(or other pistol) that at one point had a stock manufactured for it then I think that would be legal. I'm mostly looking in to getting a new/used Single Action Revolver manufactured in the last 10-20 years though. Again, I'm not sure at what date it became illegal to put a stock on a handgun - was it the Gun Control Act of 1968? Perhaps all handguns manufactured prior to this that had stocks also made for them are legal? I don't know and until I find out I wont be getting a stock for a revolver because I really have no desire to go to jail over something that incredibly stupid and asinine.
 
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Darklighterx said:
Pretty cool. He did machine gun, so I wonder if it is based off G18 or the like. Is it full auto once engaged?
The Masada is pretty badass as well.

Yes, Glock 18. Semi-auto or full-auto.

Glock 18
 
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ki_atsushi said:
Body armor isn't legal either, which is stupid. We should all be wearing flak jackets in da hood.

Body armor is legal.

Flak jackets and body armor are not the same thing.

(To clarify, my above statements are separated because I do not want to imply that flak jackets are illegal.)

One can own fully automatic weapons in my state as well, provided you do the paperwork and jump through the hoops.
 
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Orochi_invisibleink said:
glock18 is not available for civilians at all, correct?

I believe so.

There are machine guns civillians can own in the USA but eligibility for ownership (I believe) is based on the date of their manufacture.

You would have to check the National Firearms Act (NFA) where I believe the laws on MGs are.
 

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yeah but the glock18 is like a "machine pistol" so i thought maybe they would be specifically outlawed since they pack so much firepower into such a small package

curse these blasted gun laws!:angry:
 

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Orochi_invisibleink said:
yeah but the glock18 is like a "machine pistol" so i thought maybe they would be specifically outlawed since they pack so much firepower into such a small package

curse these blasted gun laws!:angry:

Just do some reading about the legality of macine guns in the USA and i'm sure you'll find out the exact reason why.
 

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BioMotor_Unitron said:
Body armor is legal.

Flak jackets and body armor are not the same thing.

(To clarify, my above statements are separated because I do not want to imply that flak jackets are illegal.)

One can own fully automatic weapons in my state as well, provided you do the paperwork and jump through the hoops.

Hehe, I know flak jackets aren't exactly the same as bulletproof vests. I just like the way it sounds. :p
 

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All I know is that after seeing the video for Magpul Part 1, my next purchase in the 2nd Quarter of 2008 is do doubt going to be that Bushmaster ACR. Holy shit is that thing bad ass! And I was just about sold on buying me a CAR-15/M4 too. Glad I waited, I honestly prefer the look and modular system that the Masada ACR has. Damn these guys are good.

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