K O F 2002

[evil wasabi]

sorry, i forgot about the 'egyptian' shit.

i havent played kof2k in a really long time.

it is entirely possible for the korean town.

but you got me on the egyptian stuff, i forgot about that.

 

[BJMFH]

Fran, you are the fucking Governor!

Your viewpoints and observations of the present day Neo scene are right on target. I just hope that SNK vs Capcom will bring the revival that we've all been hoping for.

 

[Takumaji]

Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>


i explained that its entirely possible for south town to have a 'egypt town' section like many citties have 'china towns'</strong><hr></blockquote>

LOL!

"Told you so!"

 

[Kid Aphex]

Originally posted by BJMFH:
<strong>I despise World Heroes as well! WH will always be a miserably failed clone of Street Fighter 2. Every time I think of WH, the image of a jackal comes into my mind. Street Fighter 2 hit big at the arcades. Along comes WH like some fucking scavenger that smells some good pussy and wants a piece. The whole damn mess that some people refer to as the WH series, is without a doubt, the ultimate representation of the video game bottom feeder!

Speaking of pussy, the whole Neo scene right now reminds me of bad pussy. What makes it worse is that we Neo gamers haven't been "laid" in such a long time that we sit back and accept it. It has been awhile since any really good titles have come out for the Neo. We, as Neo gamers, are getting so desperate to continue this 12 year party that we'll take anything that people shove down our throats. People have even begun to brainwash themselves into thinking these new titles can hold a candle to the older ones.

If MS4, KOF 2000-2001 had come out back in 1996 I guaran-fucking-tee that no one would have bought these games. The fact is that we are getting so desperate for new titles that we have lowered our standards. It's just like at the end of a party when your really trying to score some snatch, you'll take just about anything with tits and vagina. Neo gamers are no longer consumers, we have become slaves and addicts to a hobby that has developed into an ever dominating lifestyle.

Hell, I bought MS4. I've even justified the purchase by hypnotising myself into liking the turd. Rage of the Dragons will be my next purchase, I still can't explain why.

The Neo scene, at present, is reminiscent of a diamond mine that has been exhausted of all its' precious stones, all that remains now is coal. Fucking coal is what we are left with fellow gamers, fucking coal!</strong><hr></blockquote>

i agree about WH. but damn, quit whining.
we're here because we like it all on some level or another. personally, i just cant fathom a person who puts this much thought [albeit primitive] into a videogame system and its scene. i dunno man, maybe you need to get "laid". and not with another MOTW or MS1.

cheer up-
ray

 

[BJMFH]

Kid Aphex,

You'll have to forgive me, I slept in a sandbox the other night and as a result, my clit was filled my sand. I get very bitchy when my twat gets irritated.

As for you stating that I have a primitive thought process, I couldn't agree more. I'm as dumb as rocks and quite proud of that.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to enlighten me as to how I should aleviate my perpetual state of ignorance. An individual of your astounding intellectual capabilities has a obligation to educate the ignorant members of the population , such as myself. Your civic duty to shed the light of wisdom on a feeble minded plebian like me should be taken with the utmost seriousness and devotion. I implore you, let me glean whatever knowledge I can from your never failing, all encompassing, everpresent fountain of wisdom. I am your humble acolyte, please instruct me so I can reverse my primitive thought process into one that is more akin to your own.

 

[DangerousK]

Look, a few things I would like to point out.

Look I'm not going to argue on the issue about the graphics on the KOF series being somewhat dated. They are, but they still aren't that bad. All they need IMO is a significant cut to the roster and redraw a bunch of the sprites.

I swear...if I hear people complaining about wanting Neo games looking like Guilty Gear X I'm going to kill someone.

Ok maybe not.

Yeah Guilty Gear X looked great and all, but I would never want to play KOF in a high res mode. I think the style of the KOF has been always gritty and more realistic. But whatever.

Another thing I would like to point out for you people bringing up what gamers in the US think about the KOF as it is now with the graphics and everything.

NEWSFLASH!

Playmore/SNK does not care about what the US market thinks. They are going to focus on the Japanese market because that is where they are strong. Even so, "strong" isn't saying much there either. The Neo was never really that strong here anyway. The majority of money was made in Japan, not here. KOF2001 sold pretty good in Japan, so I wouldn't expect much in the way of graphical changes to KOF2002. Just get this in your head that in the world of Neo Geo as it currently exists today, the US fans/market has no say in what happens. Hell if it wasn't for Shawn comissioning Playmore/SNK for US releases, lets face it, the Neo Geo would be dead here. It's just barely alive as it is. More like, it is on a respirator.

At the end of the day, all business decisions will be made with Japan in mind since it is where all the because it is where their best business is. Unless the Japanese gamers start swearing that KOF needs a graphical overhaul, then maybe it will happen.

 

[JHendrix]

Originally posted by DangerousK:
<strong>Look, a few things I would like to point out.

Look I'm not going to argue on the issue about the graphics on the KOF series being somewhat dated. They are, but they still aren't that bad. All they need IMO is a significant cut to the roster and redraw a bunch of the sprites.

I swear...if I hear people complaining about wanting Neo games looking like Guilty Gear X I'm going to kill someone.

Ok maybe not.

Yeah Guilty Gear X looked great and all, but I would never want to play KOF in a high res mode. I think the style of the KOF has been always gritty and more realistic. But whatever.

Another thing I would like to point out for you people bringing up what gamers in the US think about the KOF as it is now with the graphics and everything.

NEWSFLASH!

Playmore/SNK does not care about what the US market thinks. They are going to focus on the Japanese market because that is where they are strong. Even so, "strong" isn't saying much there either. The Neo was never really that strong here anyway. The majority of money was made in Japan, not here. KOF2001 sold pretty good in Japan, so I wouldn't expect much in the way of graphical changes to KOF2002. Just get this in your head that in the world of Neo Geo as it currently exists today, the US fans/market has no say in what happens. Hell if it wasn't for Shawn comissioning Playmore/SNK for US releases, lets face it, the Neo Geo would be dead here. It's just barely alive as it is. More like, it is on a respirator.

At the end of the day, all business decisions will be made with Japan in mind since it is where all the because it is where their best business is. Unless the Japanese gamers start swearing that KOF needs a graphical overhaul, then maybe it will happen.</strong><hr></blockquote>

To say that you can't play KOF if it was High Res is crazy. As long as it plays like KOF then that's all that matters. And you don't think that it can't have realistic graphics if it's high res? <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

Ever wonder why people are always raving about GGX? Because its a 2D fighter with GOOD GRAPHICS! Something we haven't seen in a long time!

And despite what they may think to make the game more profitable then yes a graphics overhaul in Japan would cause the series to sky rocket. But I think you're right about them not updating it, cause why would they?

Peace

JHendrix

 

[DangerousK]

Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>

To say that you can't play KOF if it was High Res is crazy. As long as it plays like KOF then that's all that matters. And you don't think that it can't have realistic graphics if it's high res? <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

Ever wonder why people are always raving about GGX? Because its a 2D fighter with GOOD GRAPHICS! Something we haven't seen in a long time!

And despite what they may think to make the game more profitable then yes a graphics overhaul in Japan would cause the series to sky rocket. But I think you're right about them not updating it, cause why would they?

Peace

JHendrix</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't care for the high res look of GGX. That's just me. Yes I can admit it looks good, but it's not my style. I guess it could have realistic graphics if it is high res, but as of now GGX is the only 2D fighter in high res we can use. I'm not sure the KOF would look so great in high res. But thats me. Until we see KOF running in high res mode then can we say it will look good.

You don't need high res to have good graphics on a 2D fighter. Third Strike doesn't use high res, but it looks insanely great. Graphics matter when things are rehashed which is what is happening with the KOF as of late, but they aren't everything. I don't think GGX was that great. It was fun for a little bit when I got it back in 12/00, but I haven't touched it since. It has nothing on SNK fighters other than graphics.

I'm not really sure the series would sky rocket in Japan if the graphics were revamped. But then again it might. I'm not really sure how sales are going on 2D fighters out there in Japan. I stopped following sales when the DC went south.

Ultimately I am hoping Playmore/SNK has enough sense to address some of the graphical issues. Those being missing animations, old sprites, etc. Just because Capcom started throwing in 50 characters in a game doesn't mean it's the way to go. Less can be better.

 

[Takumaji]

Originally posted by DangerousK:
<strong> [...] You don't need high res to have good graphics on a 2D fighter. Third Strike doesn't use high res, but it looks insanely great. Graphics matter when things are rehashed which is what is happening with the KOF as of late, but they aren't everything. I don't think GGX was that great. It was fun for a little bit when I got it back in 12/00, but I haven't touched it since. It has nothing on SNK fighters other than graphics. [...] </strong><hr></blockquote>

Couldn't agree more.

I bought GGX LE a month after release (JPN import), and played it for about two weeks, every day for about one or two hours, alone and with some friends. I like the game to some extend, but after these two weeks I put the game back on the shelve and played it only a few times since. Strangely, most of me mates I played GGX with didn't ask me to bring it back (like they always do with the KoFs or MS).

On the other hand, I play KoF2k1 since it came out on AES, for every goddamn day, and as of now, it still keeps me interested (still haven't mastered Angel's circle chains yet... duh...).

Now, I don't want to say that GGX is a bad game or lacks replay value. For me, it's the game play, and I must admit that I don't like most of the char lineup in GGX. The graphics are really very good, the backs look vibrant and phat and the anims are very detailed, but all this wasn't reason enough for me to play it as much as I play KoF.

 

[Kid Aphex]

Originally posted by BJMFH:
<strong>Kid Aphex,

You'll have to forgive me, I slept in a sandbox the other night and as a result, my clit was filled my sand. I get very bitchy when my twat gets irritated.

As for you stating that I have a primitive thought process, I couldn't agree more. I'm as dumb as rocks and quite proud of that.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to enlighten me as to how I should aleviate my perpetual state of ignorance. An individual of your astounding intellectual capabilities has a obligation to educate the ignorant members of the population , such as myself. Your civic duty to shed the light of wisdom on a feeble minded plebian like me should be taken with the utmost seriousness and devotion. I implore you, let me glean whatever knowledge I can from your never failing, all encompassing, everpresent fountain of wisdom. I am your humble acolyte, please instruct me so I can reverse my primitive thought process into one that is more akin to your own.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Never said I was smart, mate. Just said you were stupid.

And, that you had little better to do than over analyze on a forum.

Look mom, it's an airplane in the sky! No...it's just your post, proving I was right.

peace though,
ray

 

[KIL]

Originally posted by NeoDragoN:
<strong>For me the KOF series needs something big to happen. For starters

1: Redraw the characters!!! this is always a major issue with SNK and Capcom!!

2: Bring Back Stage Intro's and characters standing in the background

3: Strikers need to go or the idea needs to be rethought

4: Snk classic characters need to be bought back like geese, duck, eiji and we need world heroes chracters we need chracters like Rick Strowd and more people from AOF and other Series!!

5: Existing characters as well as being redrawn need new fresh DM's and Specials if not new twists on the existing moves!! lets face it Terry needs new moves, every KOF i know i can play as terry because hes been the same for the last 5 episodes!!!

6: Exciting new characters like when we first saw Iori, Yashiro, Leona and K'!!

7: Dump all the characters that have been there far too long and are'nt popular like Chin, Bao, Chang, Choi etc

8: Back grounds that offer more that just people looking on and waving!!

Just my Idea's because IMO KOF2K1 was waaaaaay to stale.

Bottom liine KOF needs a complete overhaul and they CAN do it on the MVS they have just got to try!!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
You read my mind!

Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>
</strong>It's not about making games for us, cause we'd probably buy the next KOF with even less animations. But "we" is shrinking almost every year, and quite honestly we need to get more people to play SNK styled games, and sadly that's not going to happen on MVS hardware (or AES).<hr></blockquote>
It's true is damn true!

:KIL:

[ July 30, 2002: Message edited by: KIL ]</p>

 

[neojedi]

Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>eolith did fuck all

kof 2001 was made by brezza

and brezza = snk</strong><hr></blockquote>

Funny thing is, every time someone compliments 2K1 it's because of something Brezza did, and every time it gets flamed it's because of Eolith. Who knows who did what? All we know about 2K1 is that the gameplay is there, the backgrounds are sub-par, and the music and character portraits are trash.

Just because the SNK developers were hot shit in '96, how do we know that what's left of the old crew isn't completely burned out by making the same game over every year and by the bankruptcy problems? The biggest danger of the KOF series is that it could be almost as successful with low-quality releases that depend on the series' former glory and recycle the previous series' character sprites. Wouldn't SNK/Brezza be more likely to do this? Doesn't the new blood, Eolith, have something to prove?

The future of KOF depends on someone who can bring quality and artistry back to the series, I'm talking backgrounds, music, story, and character design. Whether that someone is Brezza or Eolith makes little difference in the end. And it seems to be a repeated theme that the MVS hardware is preventing this from happening... if so, then new hardware is a must.

 

[Fran]

 

[Setsuna1982]

At least with the NeoPCM2 chip we'll have a good soundtrack... or perhaps a terrible soundtrack with high quality samples <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

 

[Shito]

KOF2001 character art is da best in da series, all you lamers!

And 'dream match' just means 'lame non-sensed shit'.

Damn.

What's the publishing day of the monthly issue of Arcadia?

[ August 04, 2002: Message edited by: Shito ]</p>

 

[Fran]

Originally posted by Shito:
<strong>KOF2001 character art is da best in da series, all you lamers!

And 'dream match' just means 'lame non-sensed shit'.

Damn.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

 

[Loopz]

Shito,

No offense man, but you must be on crack to dig the art in KOF2K1. You honestly like that gawdamn Mowgli version of Yuri? She looks like she came from the fuckin Jungle Book.
Or the fuckin' Terry "Gerard Depardieu" Bogard with the giant Cyrano nose? No fuckin way man.
Fuck fuck figgedy fuck fuck uh fizzuck.
*cue sound of needle going off the record*

 

[Captain Spain]

Originally posted by Shito:
<strong>KOF2001 character art is da best in da series, all you lamers!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well if the guy who said he's doing the art for KOF2k2 says so <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[LOL]" />

 

[VinylBoy]

Originally posted by Drift King EX:
<strong>

No I'm getting 2000 and 2001, I'll gladly wait 6 months for the home port, which will have more, than drop 300 dollars on the homecart which will be outdated as soon as the better ports hit.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep... and when you do get bored with your DC ports, you can resell them for a whopping $10. Whereas, a good recent KOF on home cart will always be able to land you up to $200 at least.

Yea, the extras are sometimes nice... but they haven't been anything to scream about for SNK ports. Or are you that much of a fan of extra photos and fan art? And for the most part, none of the KOFs played arcade perfectly, as like the home carts do.

I'm not a collector, but even I know a value when I see one.

 

[Criterionradiohead]

Originally posted by VinylBoy:
<strong>

Yep... and when you do get bored with your DC ports, you can resell them for a whopping $10. Whereas, a good recent KOF on home cart will always be able to land you up to $200 at least.

Yea, the extras are sometimes nice... but they haven't been anything to scream about for SNK ports. Or are you that much of a fan of extra photos and fan art? And for the most part, none of the KOFs played arcade perfectly, as like the home carts do.

I'm not a collector, but even I know a value when I see one. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Better be careful saying things like that on NG.com. People here don't take kindly to making a profit off of video games.

Criterionradiohead

 

[Shito]

Originally posted by Loopz:
<strong>Shito,

No offense man, but you must be on crack to dig the art in KOF2K1. You honestly like that gawdamn Mowgli version of Yuri? She looks like she came from the fuckin Jungle Book.
Or the fuckin' Terry "Gerard Depardieu" Bogard with the giant Cyrano nose? No fuckin way man.
Fuck fuck figgedy fuck fuck uh fizzuck.
*cue sound of needle going off the record*</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ok, seriously.

I'm going to answer seriously cause you have a Area88 image in your sing.
That is a great old-style manga.
If you really like and undesrtand the art in it, you would also have potential to understand what I'm going to write here.

Talking about character art:

let's talk about CHARACTERIZATION

Putting sumething *distinctive* of the charaxter *atitude* in his aesthetic.

If you go back 97/98, even the super cool anime-looking style art of 2000, you will see POOR characterization.

All the character looks pretty much the same in attitude.

Moreover, the really fails to catch the corrisponded sprite (which have to be considered 'the real thing') looks.

Do you really think Kula art in 2000 has ANYTHING to to with her sprite?

C'mon...

2001 art is agressive, I agree, Is not a 'easy taste', and I have to agree on this issue too.

But look at the select screen closely.

You will see each character is FINALLY draw according to his personality, attitude and sprite reference.

Some examples:

KULA: a 'blank eyed' little girl, with a lollypopo as a child and apparently cold skin.

IORI: a dark, deep, DANGEROUS look.

YUKI: kinda cominc, and yes, Yuri IS the cominc relief of the series since 96 (just think of her mocking of anime character)

ANGEL: someway dumb and sexy babe. Sex addicted maybe?

LEONA: cold, sad eyes.

CLARK: Just the 'knife cutted face' he have, the 'man of steel' he is.

RALF: Wild, wild, rage, rage

Shoud I go on?

As for 'victory art', that's pretty much the same issue, but even more extreme.

In this case, we have 'exagerrated over-characteriztion', but the spirit it's always the same. Trying to catch each character unique attitude and feel.

Ever heard of 'Impressionism art'?

I like this stuff.

 

[Lastblade]

"kof will never be kof again till they remove that crap and all the useless fighters like bao,hinako,ramon,maxima,whip and so on"

That's so funny, I don't really like any of these characters either, but some of them (whip) seems to be really effective on the hands of skilled players... (not me mind you)

I think some of the newer cast blended in really well in the KOF universe (Like K', K9999, Maylee) while others are pure salty chocolate donkey balls <img src="graemlins/eek2.gif" border="0" alt="[Eek 2]" />

Anyway, I hope KOF2k2 is good. I liked KOF2k1 even, but the bkgds have been crap the last 3 years (I have no problem with the animation, however, dunno why).

 

[Loopz]

Shito,

I understand exactly what you're getting at...one of the masters of this style was Bengus. His depictions in the Vampire series was a pristine example of this kind of thinking, portraying a character's emotional makeup through use of exaggerated physical poses. Perhaps that's what this artist was attempting to do with the KOF2K1 characters, but when you're doing styles for an established series, you need to adhere somewhat to the previous format, unless your work is just all-out bitchin'. I just find most of the portraits really ugly and strange. Maybe he'll improve with the next effort...

 

[SNKJorge]

I know, KOF changed ever since KOF'96 hit the market. <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" />

 

[Late]

Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>BJMFH:


all we really need is a new world heroes</strong><hr></blockquote>

nooo!!!!