K O F 2002
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I've learned two new things today.
1. I'm a negative person.
2. I'm full of shit.
Allow me to recite a quote I'm rather fond of, "I've been called a lot worse by a lot better!".
Awww, poor Neo Dragon. My negativity is influencing his poor, weak, pathetic, little mind. Just because I have sand in my clit doesn't mean that you have to get your tits in a flurry. By the way the symbol you are displaying in your avatar is the rank of a Marine Corps Corporal. Unless you were an E-4 in the US Marine Corps you do not fucking rate to display that. As an ex-marine I take great offense to someone like you displaying a rank which you haven't earned. If you were a Coporal in the Marine Corps than I do apologize.
The point I was attempting to make was that the quality of the newer releases isn't up to par with that of the older titles. MS4 is fun, it just isn't as fun as the previous installments.
1. I'm a negative person.
2. I'm full of shit.
Allow me to recite a quote I'm rather fond of, "I've been called a lot worse by a lot better!".
Awww, poor Neo Dragon. My negativity is influencing his poor, weak, pathetic, little mind. Just because I have sand in my clit doesn't mean that you have to get your tits in a flurry. By the way the symbol you are displaying in your avatar is the rank of a Marine Corps Corporal. Unless you were an E-4 in the US Marine Corps you do not fucking rate to display that. As an ex-marine I take great offense to someone like you displaying a rank which you haven't earned. If you were a Coporal in the Marine Corps than I do apologize.
The point I was attempting to make was that the quality of the newer releases isn't up to par with that of the older titles. MS4 is fun, it just isn't as fun as the previous installments.
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Uhhh... ok if I stop the flame war for a second so I can beg someone with computer art / photoshop skills to enhance the first teaser image on the MMCafe site?
Thanks. Plead, beg, beg, do it, yes, now, please!!
Back to the flame war... KOF 2K1 is a lot of fun, and far above my expectations given the fact that the entire development staff is new. Play the first CVS again to see what happens when the supposed premier world's fighting game manufacturing inherits an entire list of characters that they don't understand. The fact that a bunch of unknowns at Eolith were able to make as good a KOF as they did amazes me, and call it foolish optimism but I expect that they will get better with practice.
And we need new hardware. The people that JHendrix refers to exist everywhere. They are not stupid but misguided... they see and pursue the eye-candy offered by modern fighting games, little realizing the true substance that they are missing. In order to help these people, we must use state of the art graphics and sound to lure them into trying a Neo game. It's for their own good.
I can't disprove Fran's theory that trying to make a Neo Geo game without a Neo Geo will destroy the feel of the game... but it's a risk that will have to be taken eventually. The possibilities of the MVS have been nearly exhausted.
Thanks. Plead, beg, beg, do it, yes, now, please!!
Back to the flame war... KOF 2K1 is a lot of fun, and far above my expectations given the fact that the entire development staff is new. Play the first CVS again to see what happens when the supposed premier world's fighting game manufacturing inherits an entire list of characters that they don't understand. The fact that a bunch of unknowns at Eolith were able to make as good a KOF as they did amazes me, and call it foolish optimism but I expect that they will get better with practice.
And we need new hardware. The people that JHendrix refers to exist everywhere. They are not stupid but misguided... they see and pursue the eye-candy offered by modern fighting games, little realizing the true substance that they are missing. In order to help these people, we must use state of the art graphics and sound to lure them into trying a Neo game. It's for their own good.
I can't disprove Fran's theory that trying to make a Neo Geo game without a Neo Geo will destroy the feel of the game... but it's a risk that will have to be taken eventually. The possibilities of the MVS have been nearly exhausted.
Originally posted by neojedi:
<strong>Uhhh... ok if I stop the flame war for a second so I can beg someone with computer art / photoshop skills to enhance the first teaser image on the MMCafe site?
Thanks. Plead, beg, beg, do it, yes, now, please!!
Back to the flame war... KOF 2K1 is a lot of fun, and far above my expectations given the fact that the entire development staff is new. Play the first CVS again to see what happens when the supposed premier world's fighting game manufacturing inherits an entire list of characters that they don't understand. The fact that a bunch of unknowns at Eolith were able to make as good a KOF as they did amazes me, and call it foolish optimism but I expect that they will get better with practice.
And we need new hardware. The people that JHendrix refers to exist everywhere. They are not stupid but misguided... they see and pursue the eye-candy offered by modern fighting games, little realizing the true substance that they are missing. In order to help these people, we must use state of the art graphics and sound to lure them into trying a Neo game. It's for their own good.
I can't disprove Fran's theory that trying to make a Neo Geo game without a Neo Geo will destroy the feel of the game... but it's a risk that will have to be taken eventually. The possibilities of the MVS have been nearly exhausted.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh sure, KOF2k1 is loads of fun when you just annihilate my entire friggin team with just Joe! <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" /> <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" />
Honestly though he's write, cause well he agreed with me. Sure the Neo can pump out some amazing games to bring people in, MOTW and ROTD to an extent have done this well. However I SERIOUSLY doubt that they'll cut the next KOF down to 12-16 characters and make the GFX that good. They just won't. New hardware is required, badly.
I don't think that the feel of the game would be lost at all, on the contrary, the feel is in the Game engine coding, which if it's in C then it's easy to just bring over. Then all they need is new Sprites, and more new sprites, and well a NAOMI board would do good...
It's not about making games for us, cause we'd probably buy the next KOF with even less animations. But "we" is shrinking almost every year, and quite honestly we need to get more people to play SNK styled games, and sadly that's not going to happen on MVS hardware (or AES).
I know you ppl don't want to accept it, but it's the damned truth!
Peace
JHendrix
I'm kind of bummed that they are removing the story. I think fighting games need some sort of back story to just round them out. CvS2 feels sort of hollow to me without a unique ending or new boss encounter.
KoF will more than likely be fine just due to the previous stories, but it would be nice to have something....some sort of ending.....
As far as a redraw goes on the sprites, these games are making money because they DON'T redraw them. same engine, same sprites, different backgrounds,= 90% complete in july and $300 bucks in the fall. dang.
KoF will more than likely be fine just due to the previous stories, but it would be nice to have something....some sort of ending.....
As far as a redraw goes on the sprites, these games are making money because they DON'T redraw them. same engine, same sprites, different backgrounds,= 90% complete in july and $300 bucks in the fall. dang.
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*cough* ... sorry, just a bit of gunsmoke...
Rehash or not, 700MBit/35 chara rooster or not, I always get excited if a new KoF is on its way. Can't really help it. Perhaps I'm also just a jaded KoF fanboy myself. Who cares.
On the other hand, I doubt that two of my biggest problems with it, the Strikers and the claustrophobic char rooster, will be removed/improved in 2k2. MvC2-style furious gameplay, with lotsa sdm fireworks and flying strikers/tag partners seems to be the standard of the moment, so yeah, the backs, music and anims will suffer. Like in 2k1 and 2k.
35 chars on 700Mbit... yeah, sure. Why not 50 chars and no music. Better no music than 2k1 music, that's for sure, but... ah nevermind.
I like 2k1 anyway, not as much as 98, 95 or 96, but I like to play it, specially with some of the newer ladies.
And no, I'm not a noob, at least not KoF-wise... you know, sometimes I just *play my fucking games* instead of scientifically dissecting them, and try just to have fun. Believe me ppl, it's possible!
Rehash or not, 700MBit/35 chara rooster or not, I always get excited if a new KoF is on its way. Can't really help it. Perhaps I'm also just a jaded KoF fanboy myself. Who cares.
On the other hand, I doubt that two of my biggest problems with it, the Strikers and the claustrophobic char rooster, will be removed/improved in 2k2. MvC2-style furious gameplay, with lotsa sdm fireworks and flying strikers/tag partners seems to be the standard of the moment, so yeah, the backs, music and anims will suffer. Like in 2k1 and 2k.
35 chars on 700Mbit... yeah, sure. Why not 50 chars and no music. Better no music than 2k1 music, that's for sure, but... ah nevermind.
I like 2k1 anyway, not as much as 98, 95 or 96, but I like to play it, specially with some of the newer ladies.
And no, I'm not a noob, at least not KoF-wise... you know, sometimes I just *play my fucking games* instead of scientifically dissecting them, and try just to have fun. Believe me ppl, it's possible!
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Originally posted by BJMFH:
<strong>I've learned two new things today.
1. I'm a negative person.
2. I'm full of shit.
Allow me to recite a quote I'm rather fond of, "I've been called a lot worse by a lot better!".
Awww, poor Neo Dragon. My negativity is influencing his poor, weak, pathetic, little mind. Just because I have sand in my clit doesn't mean that you have to get your tits in a flurry. By the way the symbol you are displaying in your avatar is the rank of a Marine Corps Corporal. Unless you were an E-4 in the US Marine Corps you do not fucking rate to display that. As an ex-marine I take great offense to someone like you displaying a rank which you haven't earned. If you were a Coporal in the Marine Corps than I do apologize.
The point I was attempting to make was that the quality of the newer releases isn't up to par with that of the older titles. MS4 is fun, it just isn't as fun as the previous installments.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No i was'nt a marine and i had no idea that marines had dragons for ranks.....if your talking about the thing underneath my dragon thats the icon i get for my post count so take it up with shawn.....
MS4 plays exactly the same as the other MS games just new locations new weapons and lots of changes!!! so how can it not be as fun as MS1!! hell half the stuff out of MS1 is in 4 <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />
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Originally posted by Takumaji:
<strong>I like 2k1 anyway, not as much as 98, 95 or 96, but I like to play it, specially with some of the newer ladies.
And no, I'm not a noob, at least not KoF-wise... you know, sometimes I just *play my fucking games* instead of scientifically dissecting them, and try just to have fun. Believe me ppl, it's possible!
Don't tell me that you have fun with the endboss.
He is a joke. A really bad joke!
Sometimes he hits me with 2 super specials and
my fighter is gone. Very funny indeed.
Or do you have a good strategy to beat this
sucker?
I hope that KoF2002 will become a much better
game than this 2001 KoF wannabe.
It's sad that you had no time on saturday.
We had much fun playing MS4 and various fighters.
Maybe we can all come together next time.
cu
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Originally posted by Dampfwalze:
<strong>
Don't tell me that you have fun with the endboss.
He is a joke. A really bad joke!
Sometimes he hits me with 2 super specials and
my fighter is gone. Very funny indeed.
Or do you have a good strategy to beat this
sucker?
I hope that KoF2002 will become a much better
game than this 2001 KoF wannabe.
It's sad that you had no time on saturday.
We had much fun playing MS4 and various fighters.
Maybe we can all come together next time.
cu</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, Igniz (and, to some extend, original Zero) are bastards, that's for sure. It's always "nice" to play through a KoF game on 8 without too much probs and then end up in front of an overly cheap endboss, but I admire Igniz's full-screen SDM. I love it if he pulls it off against an opponent with only a two pixel wide lifebar, where a standard weak punch would have been enough... ...boss style. <img src="graemlins/tickled.gif" border="0" alt="[Tickled]" />
Strategy? Duck+block, if he approaches you, super-jump over him and combo him from behind. Don't move too close, or he will grapple and juggle you with his cape or whip afterwards, doing near-infinites.
O.Zero isn't too hard IMO, I just approach him and roll through him if he tries to hit me with his cape, doing the same combo-from-behind thingy than with Igniz afterwards.
Others were successful with Whip, doing endless hcf+P's, or with K' and his Crow Bites (f,d,df+P) or a delayed Heat Drive DM (qcfx2+P)... etc...etc..
And 2k2... most posters summed it up already, it needs better backs, less chars with more anims, decent music (unlike the mostly piss-poor tunes of 2k1) and NO strikers. Taking Bao and some of his feeble friends out would be a good thing, too.
Yeah, nice to hear that the meeting was cool, next time I will be there! That saturday was hard for me... my girl's 30th birthday, and I was drunk the whole sat and sun, starting at sat noon. 19 ppl in a 43 qm flat, for nearly two days. 'nuff said!
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I was hoping this game would be another Dream Match. In fact, I was expecting it. 94 got the ball rolling. 95-97 encapsulated the Orochi storyline. Then the series took a break from story with 98. 99-01 had the NESTS storyline, and now it's time to break from that.
blablablablabla...
all we need is:
many many new cool snk style charas
many many old charas needing to go away(far away)
remaining charas must get NEW sdms, and new standatd moves
NEW bgs
and a new, better storyline!
...man if i was the producer/boss you would see
the best kof ever..!
@ dampfwalze:
meinst du das german neo meeting?
wenn ja wo und wie war es?
all we need is:
many many new cool snk style charas
many many old charas needing to go away(far away)
remaining charas must get NEW sdms, and new standatd moves
NEW bgs
and a new, better storyline!
...man if i was the producer/boss you would see
the best kof ever..!
@ dampfwalze:
meinst du das german neo meeting?
wenn ja wo und wie war es?
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i thought ms4 had wayy better backgrounds than ms3. ms1,2 and x did too. ms3 had terrible bg's.
i was just nitpicking on the striker thing.
i dont have beef with strikers. theyre fine. if you dont want em, dont use em. if youre playing kof2k in 2 player, just use the 4 characters.
@fran.
do you know where south town is located?
its in the south west united states.
you know whats in that geographic location?
deserts.
not to mention i explained that its entirely possible for south town to have a 'korea town' section like many citties have 'china towns' especially with kim's presence in the fatal fury's.
not to mention almost ever ff has had a desert bg...
i was just nitpicking on the striker thing.
i dont have beef with strikers. theyre fine. if you dont want em, dont use em. if youre playing kof2k in 2 player, just use the 4 characters.
@fran.
do you know where south town is located?
its in the south west united states.
you know whats in that geographic location?
deserts.
not to mention i explained that its entirely possible for south town to have a 'korea town' section like many citties have 'china towns' especially with kim's presence in the fatal fury's.
not to mention almost ever ff has had a desert bg...
sonic:
about slug:
different people,different tastes
about southtown secondus:
i suppose you could reply with some sort of logical explanation to each and every thing i say
and yes,we could go on for days
fair enough
i say,
people see / want to see
or simply pretend to see the weirdest shit when they NEED to
so yeah,kof 2000 could take place in TIMBUKTU for all we know
but if you want to believe thats the new southtown,fine
i mean motw takes place in SS but doesnt have that desolated empty grey feel to it
so bah
who cares anyway
about slug:
different people,different tastes
about southtown secondus:
i suppose you could reply with some sort of logical explanation to each and every thing i say
and yes,we could go on for days
fair enough
i say,
people see / want to see
or simply pretend to see the weirdest shit when they NEED to
so yeah,kof 2000 could take place in TIMBUKTU for all we know
but if you want to believe thats the new southtown,fine
i mean motw takes place in SS but doesnt have that desolated empty grey feel to it
so bah
who cares anyway
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its not new south town
it blows up at the end of the game.
motw is new south town.
you cant have a story and not follow through..
kof2k1 is world wide, and because of this the bg's should have been more colorful. i mean if its a televised event again, why would they fight in a dingy alleyway?
so i agree the bg's suck in 2k1.
but in 2k, they went with the story.
it blows up at the end of the game.
motw is new south town.
you cant have a story and not follow through..
kof2k1 is world wide, and because of this the bg's should have been more colorful. i mean if its a televised event again, why would they fight in a dingy alleyway?
so i agree the bg's suck in 2k1.
but in 2k, they went with the story.
Criterionradiohead
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Originally posted by JHendrix:
<strong>
Oh sure, KOF2k1 is loads of fun when you just annihilate my entire friggin team with just Joe! <img src="graemlins/blowtop.gif" border="0" alt="[Blow Top]" /> <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[Crying]" />
Honestly though he's write, cause well he agreed with me. Sure the Neo can pump out some amazing games to bring people in, MOTW and ROTD to an extent have done this well. However I SERIOUSLY doubt that they'll cut the next KOF down to 12-16 characters and make the GFX that good. They just won't. New hardware is required, badly.
I don't think that the feel of the game would be lost at all, on the contrary, the feel is in the Game engine coding, which if it's in C then it's easy to just bring over. Then all they need is new Sprites, and more new sprites, and well a NAOMI board would do good...
It's not about making games for us, cause we'd probably buy the next KOF with even less animations. But "we" is shrinking almost every year, and quite honestly we need to get more people to play SNK styled games, and sadly that's not going to happen on MVS hardware (or AES).
I know you ppl don't want to accept it, but it's the damned truth!
Peace
JHendrix</strong><hr></blockquote>
Damn! Now that is what I call a harsh dose of reality. It's tuff to weed through all of the bullshit posts to find the select good ones, but this post really is the blunt truth of what this scene is all about.
Note to Playmore:
1) We need new hardware
2) We need new characters/serries
3) We will keep buying these games, but "We" is shrinking almost everyday.
4) You need us, and many more gamers like us. Pull your heads out of your asses and try to reach a few more gamers.
5) Don't sell out!!! Just try to release quality SNK games on a larger platform.
Thank you JHendrix for telling everyone EXACTLY how it is.
Criterionradiohead
[ July 29, 2002: Message edited by: Criterionradiohead ]</p>
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Originally posted by dfx:
<strong>@ dampfwalze:
meinst du das german neo meeting?
wenn ja wo und wie war es?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nö, war nur ein kleines lokales Treffen
bei mir (Erlangen). Trotzdem war es ganz
nett und wir haben uns gut amüsiert.
Am Ende haben wir uns noch die Fatal Fury OVA
reingezogen, um unsere Finger etwas auszuruhen.
Dabei mußte ich feststellen, das ich Prügler
zwar gerne spiele, aber meistens tierisch
abloose. Nur bei KoF konnte ich mit meinem
Lieblingsteam ein paar Siege für mich
verbuchen.
Schade daß aus dem bundesweiten Treffen nichts
wurde.
Nothing quite like a new KoF announcement to get everyone worke up is there eh?
It only tales the very smallest snippet of news to get everyone worked up in some huge panic. Will it be a 'dream match' or wont it (it could always be a self-contained side-story), will the strikers system go, which is the best KoF, should it go to a new board, is the cartridge gonna be big enough for the number of characters? etc etc etc.....
Well, with only 35ish characters I guess the KoF98 style 'dream match' is out of the window, because they would then have to chuck several characters from the previous games (the last one had 40). And everone can stop worrying about the meg count. Why? well KoF2000 was less than 700mb and had all those 'other strikers' eating into its memory.
Think about it - KoF96 has 29 characters (including bosses), different backgrounds for every team (OK some were just different versions) with night and day versions for some, and some decent tunes (like the Art of Fighting team one) and only weighs in at 326mb - about half the size of this new KoF.
Like everone else I dont know if the striker system is going, or which characters are being dropped from the line-up, or (more importantly) if there will be the usual 4 new fighters (something no-one has yet commented on, and given how good and varied Eolith's new characters were I really do hope they have some totally new fighters for this one).
Like several people have already said, its way too early to start ranting about this newest installment - hell, you dont even know what its gonna look like. So lets all stay cool untill next month when the first pictures come out.
We all had our doubts about oF2001 and it turned out OK - stay posotive people.
It only tales the very smallest snippet of news to get everyone worked up in some huge panic. Will it be a 'dream match' or wont it (it could always be a self-contained side-story), will the strikers system go, which is the best KoF, should it go to a new board, is the cartridge gonna be big enough for the number of characters? etc etc etc.....
Well, with only 35ish characters I guess the KoF98 style 'dream match' is out of the window, because they would then have to chuck several characters from the previous games (the last one had 40). And everone can stop worrying about the meg count. Why? well KoF2000 was less than 700mb and had all those 'other strikers' eating into its memory.
Think about it - KoF96 has 29 characters (including bosses), different backgrounds for every team (OK some were just different versions) with night and day versions for some, and some decent tunes (like the Art of Fighting team one) and only weighs in at 326mb - about half the size of this new KoF.
Like everone else I dont know if the striker system is going, or which characters are being dropped from the line-up, or (more importantly) if there will be the usual 4 new fighters (something no-one has yet commented on, and given how good and varied Eolith's new characters were I really do hope they have some totally new fighters for this one).
Like several people have already said, its way too early to start ranting about this newest installment - hell, you dont even know what its gonna look like. So lets all stay cool untill next month when the first pictures come out.
We all had our doubts about oF2001 and it turned out OK - stay posotive people.