For those who think I am a price jacker....

[Kpj]

What's truly sad about this thread is how it is morphing into something it's not.

I originally made this thread to show that I started this auction out at a $1 withOUT a reserve. (To argue that I am NOT a price jacker)

Then, one of the many critics put a different spin on the topic; stating that I deceived the bidders by not BOLDING certain words/phrases. This was ridiculous. I really wish some of you hate-mongers would step back and REALLY see what your accussing me of.

Now, it has changed to a topic concerning it's originallity. "It's a boot", "It's an authentic picture", "It says SNK in the title/header"....

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!! You people are UNBELIEVABLE................

This was a legitimate auction I posted with EXACT pictures of the ACTUAL item for sale. I also stated it's condition/functionality CLEARLY.

You people are trying everything to pull shit out of your ass; simply to make me look bad.

Well, to your dissappointment, it's not working. People are seeing right thru your bullshit scheme at calling me a thief/immoral person.

Get lives people...........

 

[FTL]

Originally posted by Plisken:
<strong>really you have to put it like this.

there are 2 men, um, 'jimmy and billy'

Jimmy owns a neo geo with slug 2 homecart. Billy gets jealous because he hasn't got one, and doesn't know where to get one. Jimmy suggest <a href="http://www.ebay.com" target="_blank">www.ebay.com</a> !!

Billy signs up to ebay.com. He purchases a home cart system. Being new to ebay (you can tell by the winner small feedback record of only 14), he clicks on a Slug 2 homecart he wishes to buy. He reads description 'hmm, conversion. that's right, the original is the arcade release' Billy looks at the picture 'well, it must be the right one, it's looks exactly the same as Jimmy has, and it has official SNK logo' Jimmy bids, and wins. Jimmy is a happy boy!!! that is, if he doesn't care he has a Conversion, i.e made from other parts, not a 'home version port'.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That really what happened,IMO.

Thanks for the effective example.

 

[Parallax Abstraction]

Originally posted by Plisken:
<strong>Billy signs up to ebay.com. He purchases a home cart system. Being new to ebay (you can tell by the winner small feedback record of only 14), he clicks on a Slug 2 homecart he wishes to buy. He reads description 'hmm, conversion. that's right, the original is the arcade release' Billy looks at the picture 'well, it must be the right one, it's looks exactly the same as Jimmy has, and it has official SNK logo' Jimmy bids, and wins. Jimmy is a happy boy!!! that is, if he doesn't care he has a Conversion, i.e made from other parts, not a 'home version port'.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Has it ever entered your minds that perhaps Billy should've done his homework before dropping $400+ dollars on an auction like that? It amazes me how North American society has become where where no one is responsible for their actions, but that it's always someone else's fault. "It's not MY fault I spent $400+ on an auction without reading the description or knowing what I was really bidding on, the seller's a thief! It's not my fault I didn't tell the car dealership I couldn't drive when I bought a new car and destroyed it! They should've known that!"

It's the above mention attitude that has made the US a country where frivolous lawsuits are a daily occurrance and where people sue everyone over absolutely trivial things in an attempt to get rich quick. If you are ignorant of something, it is not the world's fault for not teaching you about it, it is your responsibility to find out what you need to know. Now that being said, perhaps Kenny could have used the term MVS Conversion or MVS Cartridge Conversion to avoid any confusion, but I still don't believe he is the one at fault here.

If you want to stick up for the ignorant individuals who would soon just pass the buck and blame everyone else rather than accept responsibility for their own ignorance, then well, that's your right. But don't go dragging an otherwise reputable and honest seller's reputation through the mud just because they don't hand-feed the stupid.

 

[FTL]

Originally posted by Parallax Abstraction:
<strong>

Has it ever entered your minds that perhaps Billy should've done his homework before dropping $400+ dollars on an auction like that? It amazes me how North American society has become where where no one is responsible for their actions, but that it's always someone else's fault. "It's not MY fault I spent $400+ on an auction without reading the description or knowing what I was really bidding on, the seller's a thief! It's not my fault I didn't tell the car dealership I couldn't drive when I bought a new car and destroyed it! They should've known that!"

It's the above mention attitude that has made the US a country where frivolous lawsuits are a daily occurrance and where people sue everyone over absolutely trivial things in an attempt to get rich quick. If you are ignorant of something, it is not the world's fault for not teaching you about it, it is your responsibility to find out what you need to know. Now that being said, perhaps Kenny could have used the term MVS Conversion or MVS Cartridge Conversion to avoid any confusion, but I still don't believe he is the one at fault here.

If you want to stick up for the ignorant individuals who would soon just pass the buck and blame everyone else rather than accept responsibility for their own ignorance, then well, that's your right. But don't go dragging an otherwise reputable and honest seller's reputation through the mud just because they don't hand-feed the stupid.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No way.
Legally speaking there is no point on your side.

Kenny is honest as said but that auction was constructed on purpose.
Do not mix your opinion about Kenny with facts,HEAVY facts.

HEADER
PICTURE
NOT CLEAR DESCRIPTION

And considering the other MS 2 from Kenny sold for $1100+ with SAME HEADER AND PIC,hey for $450 it is a bargain must have thought the buyer.

The normal diligence requested to for a buyer does NOT include some neo geo study,at all.
It does include to read the auction with a minimum of care and we have just cleared out how the auction was deceptive.

 

[Parallax Abstraction]

Originally posted by FTL:
<strong>

You didn't get what I mean.
First you constructed a good post,about legal reasons you was exposing.
Then when I wrote arguments to support my thesis you close your legal argument,closing the post talking about your sympathy for the buyer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have no problem debating legalities. I enjoy a good debate of that nature in fact. My problem here is just that I get really mad when I see matters degraded to such a frivolous level. I honestly am not here to get into flame wars with people (though I do respond in kind to those who start such things), but I will stand up for someone who has treated me well and who is getting slammed for something that I don't believe is his fault. Unfortunately, several people contributing to this thread are simply here to beat up on someone else. They have no interest in any form of civilised debate. They just want to feel big. I believe that legally (by the laws under which I live anyway) and under standard rules of practice on eBay as defined by them, Kenny didn't do anything wrong and that if the buyer was ignorant of what he was getting into, that's no one's fault but his. If everyone who has ever sold something on eBay was to be held responsiuble for the actions of ignorant buyers, eBay would be dead because no one would dare try to sell there.

 

[Yodd]

Originally posted by Plisken:
<strong>really you have to put it like this.

there are 2 men, um, 'jimmy and billy'

Jimmy owns a neo geo with slug 2 homecart. Billy gets jealous because he hasn't got one, and doesn't know where to get one. Jimmy suggest <a href="http://www.ebay.com" target="_blank">www.ebay.com</a> !!

Billy signs up to ebay.com. He purchases a home cart system. Being new to ebay (you can tell by the winner small feedback record of only 14), he clicks on a Slug 2 homecart he wishes to buy. He reads description 'hmm, conversion. that's right, the original is the arcade release' Billy looks at the picture 'well, it must be the right one, it's looks exactly the same as Jimmy has, and it has official SNK logo' Jimmy bids, and wins. Jimmy is a happy boy!!! that is, if he doesn't care he has a Conversion, i.e made from other parts, not a 'home version port'.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ahh...Good comparison yet I would feel that Billy must not be able to read since the auction also says "This is a conversion, not an official/authentic release."

I also hope Billy and Jimmy are good with a solder iron because it also says "Game does operate perfect sometimes; at others, the screen is jarbled/screwy (mainly the top life/status bar when playing • this does NOT affect gameplay; you can see the overall picture just fine!) Sound is perfect. This may be an easy fix for someone who knows conversions; I, unfortunately, do not. My loss is your gain! "


I guess this whole arguement comes down to if someone actually reads the entire auction.


I don't know Kenny and have never done business with him so I am not defending him. I just know if I saw this auction, there is no way I could think that this was the real deal.

 

[Kpj]

Originally posted by FTL:
<strong>Kenny is honest as said but that auction was constructed on purpose.

HEADER
PICTURE
NOT CLEAR DESCRIPTION

And considering the other MS 2 from Kenny sold for $1100+ with SAME HEADER AND PIC,hey for $450 it is a bargain must have thought the buyer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

For the 436th time, that was NOT the same picture as my official MS2 auction back in January of 2002.

The picture of the converted MS2 in October of 2002 was indeed a picture of the ACTUAL conversion.

Now YOU are proclaiming FALSE accusations.

This auction was NOT posted with a deceiving purpose. I wanted to be as catchy as possible with the title; every seller wants their item to be viewed by as many people as possible. Is that a crime? If so, then I am guilty.

How was my description NOT CLEAR? It was very honest & to the point. Even if the word "conversion" is unclear to some (you people that are looking for every possible flaw in my actions), you would see that I stated it was NOT an official/authentic release. If the bidder was STILL unclear about the already legible description, then they should have contacted me for further information.

I cannot believe some of you are as ignorant as you say. Your simply looking for a reason to degrade me. I love it. You guys are unbelievable....

[ January 15, 2003: Message edited by: Kenny Boy ]</p>

 

[Parallax Abstraction]

Originally posted by FTL:
<strong>
Kenny is honest as said but that auction was constructed on purpose.
Do not mix your opinion about Kenny with facts,HEAVY facts.
</strong>

Personal bias is not a factor here, thank you. If he constructed the auction with the specific purpose of ripping the guy off, he never would have mentioned that the item was a conversion at all or that it was malfunctioning. True scammers that I have seen do exactly that. They post a totally fraudulant auction, ship the item and then disappear so that they can't be traced. Kenny didn't do that. If the seller didn't want the item, he shouldn't have bid on it. I mean come on, the auction started at $1 with no reserve! Any person with a logical brain in his head knows that a genuine, mint condition Metal Slug 2 wouldn't be selling for that price! But is that Kenny's fault too? A lot of the discussions that have been thrown around here have pertained to the argument of what Kenny should have conveyed. I'm sorry, but if you bid on a Metal Slug 2 which started at a $1 price and thought it was authentic, no amount of what he said in the auction description would have mattered. The buyer either knew what he was buying or was completely ignorant of it, neither of which are Kenny's problem.

<strong>The normal diligence requested to for a buyer does NOT include some neo geo study,at all.
It does include to read the auction with a minimum of care and we have just cleared out how the auction was deceptive.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Wrong indeed. I'm sorry, but it certainly does require Neo Geo study for proper diligence. If you don't know the product you're buying, then you shouldn't be buying it. If you go out and buy a huge Ford Expedition SUV with a V10 Engine, you can't return the vehicle later because it gets crappy gas mileage. I never pay money for a product which I am not familiar with. If the seller did in fact see another Metal Slug 2 auction which sold for over $1,000 and then say this one for $450, he should've either e-mailed Kenny as to why it was so much cheaper or he should've looked into why it could be cheaper. I've seen what looked like really good deals on eBay before too, but I never bid on them without looking into it first. There's absolutely no justification on the buyer's behalf to get out of an auction simply because he didn't bother to look into it first. My God, he spent $450 on this item and is upset because it's got flaws when compared to other units of the same item which sell for much more? I mean come on, that's just ludicrous. Deep discounts always have a reason for being so. That's just simple general consumer diligence.

 

[Wan-Fu]

Originally posted by Kenny Boy:
<strong>Now, it has changed to a topic concerning it's originallity. "It's a boot..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Kenny, I am not a critic and I have no reason to dislike you. I bought ADK from assflounder's collection and I was very satisfied with the condition. I think you are honest in describing the condition of items and an asset in that respect.

I am sorry if you feel hurt or offended but there is no other way to describe the MS2 in that auction. The artwork is exactly the same as the original. People who do home cart conversions are usually responsible enough to mark the artwork appropriately. This game looks and plays like the real thing. But it is not. Hence the reason for calling it a bootleg. Your auction was clear enough in stating this (granted the buyer had to be informed), but that does not make selling it okay in the first place.

My opinion is largely based on my desire to collect authentic SNK products without getting stuck with a "reproduction", i.e bootleg down the road.

 

[SAMHAIN]

someone send me kinny boys home addy....


and i swear itll be xmas time grinch style....


AHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!....

latin count style


who wants some free home cart!!!!!!!

!!!ohhh me samhain me me please!!!!

HERE YOU GO LIL MAN...

!!!!ohh thank you grinch samin thank you!

dont thank me lil poor boy THANK OUR GOOD FRIND KENNNNY!!!! FOR BEING SO KIND...

KICK!!!!
raise your hands..

thank you,and f kn have a shitty assed day..

 

[Parallax Abstraction]

Oh yes, just the type of intellectualism we needed added to this discussion. Who keeps letting that loser post?

[ January 15, 2003: Message edited by: Parallax Abstraction ]</p>

 

[Kpj]

Originally posted by Wan-Fu:
<strong>

Kenny, I am not a critic and I have no reason to dislike you. I bought ADK from assflounder's collection and I was very satisfied with the condition. I think you are honest in describing the condition of items and an asset in that respect.

I am sorry if you feel hurt or offended but there is no other way to describe the MS2 in that auction. The artwork is exactly the same as the original. People who do home cart conversions are usually responsible enough to mark the artwork appropriately. This game looks and plays like the real thing. But it is not. Hence the reason for calling it a bootleg. Your auction was clear enough in stating this (granted the buyer had to be informed), but that does not make selling it okay in the first place.

My opinion is largely based on my desire to collect authentic SNK products without getting stuck with a "reproduction", i.e bootleg down the road.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Wan Fu,

No problem. I see your point. That is why I stated 3 times in the description that it was a conversion. I took the actual picture of the conversion. Gary did a great job at reproducing the original artwork. I can't help it if some bidders didn't have the intelligence to read thru my description. That is not my fault. I cannot be held responsible for that.

I was also EXTREMELY clear with it's functioning ability. It had/has a problem, that was stated in the description.

Nothing was hidden, no agenda was set; simply a sale of a game.

 

[Viewpoint]

Kenny did no wrong this time other that making this retarded thread.

The Auction was clear and concise and that's that.

 

[Kpj]

Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>Kenny did no wrong this time other that making this retarded thread.

The Auction was clear and concise and that's that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks Bonuskun

 

[SAMHAIN]

Originally posted by Parallax Abstraction:
<strong>Oh yes, just the type of intellectualism we needed added to this discussion. Who keeps letting that loser post?

[ January 15, 2003: Message edited by: Parallax Abstraction ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

go get fucked in your paralax anus you dumb intellectual faggot fuk...


SAMHAIN kicks lil munchin man in the glasses...causeing severe brain damage to that big egg plant head ,he thinks holds eintiens verbal nuts...

then grabs his leprachaun lookin sister and makes her scream WHERES ME GOLD


what a dumb ass name...get fuked...i been here 20 times longer than you a leafy brown bitch and ill be here when you jump on the next cool bandwagon and are ridein anus elsewhere.........

 

[SNKFreak]

He would have never sold it for that much if SOMEONE didn't jack up the price of the game in the first place

 

[Daisuke Jigen]

Originally posted by Parallax Abstraction:
<strong>Oh yes, just the type of intellectualism we needed added to this discussion. Who keeps letting that loser post?

[ January 15, 2003: Message edited by: Parallax Abstraction ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think you realize who you're talking to.

 

[Cole]

Not really sure what to say here. Personally I believe this auction was described just as well (or possibly better) as any conversion auction I've ever seen. It is simply a case of one dumb bidder (jvngn), and another bidder (cryingmani) having a fun time driving his bid up.

jvngn(14) $485.00 Oct-18-02 05:40:20 PST
jvngn(14) $485.00 Oct-17-02 07:56:12 PST
cryingmani(25) $480.00 Oct-17-02 14:41:02 PST
cryingmani(25) $450.00 Oct-17-02 14:40:52 PST
cryingmani(25) $410.00 Oct-17-02 14:40:39 PST
cryingmani(25) $380.00 Oct-17-02 14:40:16 PST
cryingmani(25) $350.00 Oct-17-02 14:40:08 PST
cryingmani(25) $320.00 Oct-17-02 08:10:53 PST
cryingmani(25) $280.00 Oct-17-02 08:10:37 PST
cryingmani(25) $260.00 Oct-17-02 08:10:28 PST
cryingmani(25) $240.00 Oct-17-02 08:10:21 PST
cryingmani(25) $220.00 Oct-17-02 04:19:34 PST
jvngn(14) $200.00 Oct-16-02 08:35:35 PST

I mean look at that. No one can deny the entertainment value contained there.. heh

Everyone is so eager to believe Kenny Boy is some sort of 'price jacker' or 'scammer' over like 2 isolated incidents.

I've dealt with Kenny on many occassions and while we have had our differences (which were always resolved) he has always been more than fair! In fact, in just about every single one of our deals we have negotiated a price that was acceptable to BOTH of us. It's my own belief that you can't really know a seller until you dealt with him/her yourself. I consider him one of the best sellers I have dealt with.

If you want an example of how fair Kenny is exactly I gave him $215 shipped for that Metal Slug 2 conversion, a FAR cry from his actual asking price. Basically if you were to buy all the parts yourself and send it in for a conversion you would more than likely pay just about the same price. (maybe a little more?) Unfortunately (as it's known) it turned out to be faulty and, even though Kenny had absolutely no control over whatever happened to the game while it was being shipped to me, he gave me a FULL refund. How many sellers would do this?? I'd really like to see a head count.

 

[Robert]

I remember the time when kenny boy posted for selling stuffs and received 3 or 4 posts saying "you've got PM". Now the thread last 7 pages; Kenny you seems to be very famous

 

[Parallax Abstraction]

Originally posted by SAMHAIN:
<strong>

go get fucked in your paralax anus you dumb intellectual faggot fuk...


SAMHAIN kicks lil munchin man in the glasses...causeing severe brain damage to that big egg plant head ,he thinks holds eintiens verbal nuts...

then grabs his leprachaun lookin sister and makes her scream WHERES ME GOLD


what a dumb ass name...get fuked...i been here 20 times longer than you a leafy brown bitch and ill be here when you jump on the next cool bandwagon and are ridein anus elsewhere.........</strong><hr></blockquote>

I rest my case.

 

[Parallax Abstraction]

Originally posted by Daisuke Jigen:
<strong>

I don't think you realize who you're talking to. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't and frankly, I don't care who it is. If all you're going to post is foul-mouthed garbage like that, then you need to grow a brain, plain and simple.

 

[GamersAbyss]

Originally posted by Argentina94:
<strong>

I can't believe I'm hearing this. Especially not between you two. Also, I've used your name in threads a few times and you've never told me not to. If I knew it bothered you I would NEVER have done it (but I doubt that's why you snapped at him).

Seriously, this is the first time I've been so completely shocked since I've been here. You two are the most understanding and mature people here and to see you two like this is simply unbelievable.

I simply can't believe what you say about Jason turning on me as I won't believe whatever Jason might tell me about you.

This has certainly been the saddest day I've ever been here when the two of the best voices of wisdom are at each other's throats like dogs.

<img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Everyone has to get it on sometime!

 

[GamersAbyss]

Sorry for the second post but I might add I know kenny and have spoken with him on the phone over a fraud case and he is one hell of a nice guy! Same for Sal and Samhain (he was drunk though ) FTL, Kenny would not mislead to make a sale you have my word on that.

 

[NeoRevolution]

Kennyboy is no price jacker, from my dealing with him.

There were mistakes on both ends, but really the important things to point out -

I had a great price on a fully modded unit
He wouldn't accept payment for modding my controllers - 4 of em. Was ready to pay him, he did it free of charge. Doesn't sound like a price jacker...

Just my 2 cents, I'd love to deal with him again sometime if he'd still have it.

 

[SAMHAIN]

my impression of the paralax anus....


by proffessor paralax p anal aka verbal bitch md

well good fellows.accorfing to the misenlined assumetion that kennys nebula is in line with uranus,and the genetic makeup of my saliva flows the ways of the rectal cavity,thus inflateing the primodialy ooze that spews forth by such low intelligent primates,its my utter duty to seem and presenting my case....blaaaaa BLAAAAGHH BLAAA LIKE THE NERDY LIL FUK BITCH I AM!!!!fuckin know it all canadian

personally i could give a paralax asshole how much kenny boy made of some dik shits mistake....yet professor anus,its quite oddd as to why all his items recieve massive amounts of cash...


thank ya fuk and good night

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