Large cart deal with Shawn

[NEO]

Trust me I have very good fortune I just choose to have common sense. A video game is just that, a video game. They all do the same thing which is bring us enjoyment but when you spend that type of money and I don't care if you are middle class, or upper class, thats alot of money just for videogames and people are not jealous at least I'm not, they are mostly thinking ignorance on the part of people paying this much. You guys must be retards to pay that much for damn video games. Grow up and get girlfriends. Oh yeah and I just took a shit in the pot do I hear $7200 ??? its home brewed !!!!

 

[NGF]

We're not just speaking about video games, but any collection that any person will have/collect.

Some people collect cars, other people collect boats, some collect airplanes, some collect baseball cards.

Any collection is done as a hobby and for the enjoyment.


NGF
www.neogeofreak.com

 

[DIY]

I hate collectors, especally the ones who bought the neo geo after SNKUSA pulled out, i hate them and wish them to die.

 

[gargoyle7]

Nick man - yeah, I was worried that would bother you, sorry bro I meant it exactly the way Bill said it. Your collection page is a great example of how to display what Neo stuff is out there without showing off, and how it is fun to collect when you love to play. Like my own 'collection', Nicks picks show that he loves the games he PLAYS. It's not like we see Nick (Trey) with pics of the games he loves to PLAY with 'ruined by' all over them. Again, appologies if I was misunderstood

My only motivation here is to speak up when I see values in the Neo community that are destructive and bad for Neo Geo, and I think this 'elitism' is just that. You collect? Cool deal, as long as YOU collect for YOU, and dont get off on helping to drive cart prices through the roof.

This is where gamers and collectors COLLIDE - when collectors drive prices so high that we players can no longer afford the games we love. It's just the way it is I guess.

NEO is right, this is JUST video games, its about fun and challenge, not domination and obsession.

Lee (garg7) http://www.neogeotemple.com

[This message has been edited by gargoyle7 (edited September 15, 2000).]

 

[gargoyle7]

Hey Dolphin - I LIKE TACOS TOO!!!!!

 

[SmokeYa]

Billkwando,

Dude I totally hear where you are coming from and I agree with you. But unfortunately, I believe it is a waste of time to try to argue with Dion or even Shawn.

We already know that Dion is a lost cause. He just thrives on the negative attention. He has tried for so long to convince everyone that he is legitimate businessman and not a crook or bootlegger, that now he even believes it himself.

I don't see Shawn as being a bad guy at all. I just think he is completely obsessed with Neogeo. He is so obsessed, that he quickly forget the fact that he got ripped off, once Dion dangled a few new games in front of him. Shawn's obsession stops him from seeing reality. It is almost like Shawn is a crack addict and Dion is the only crack dealer in town.

I don't think it is bad that people talk about their cart collections or post pictures of them. My first post was to only point out that Dion (as a businessman) was very childess and unprofessional to make that post, whether Shawn told him too or not. All this talk about being jealous of collecters is getting completely of the topic. Dion is once again attempting to shift attention from the true subject. One thing Dion is good at is warping a conversation and shifting attention to different or meaningless topics.

But anyway, all this argueing with Dion is a waste of time. If people have a gripe with Dion or are just frustrated with the fact that NGF is bootlegging neogeo cartridges, they should just report NGF's activities to Aruze. SNK might not have cared too much about bootleggers (they had bigger problems on their minds), but Aruze may be a different story. I found a contact email address for Aruze on their webpage: info@aruze.com

 

[NGF]

NGF has already known that you people are very stupid.

NGF does NOT bootleg anything.

The carts we sell have been purchased and just converted to AES. That is perfectly legal.

All parts are 100% original ROMS.
100% orignal boards.
100% original boxes.

And we love the attention.


NGF
www.neogeofreak.com

 

[gargoyle7]

People need to realize what 'NGF' does in order to make these carts. For every encrypted game, it means they have to KILL 2 NEWER GAMES to get around the encryption. This means that for 2 of these ordered carts (PI2 and Ganryu) 4 of th following had to be sacrificed:

Metal Slug 3, KOF99, Mark of the Wolves, and maybe Metal Slug X

Now is this the act of someone who cares about the Neo and the Neo community? I think not. Whats happening is that mediocre to sucky games come into existence, and copies of great new games are DESTROYED. That means the next time you're trying to hunt down one of these great games, you'll have a harder and harder time finding it, and you'll pay through the teeth.

What 'NGF' does IS bootlegging

What Shawn does is his business, I have no personal beef with any collector. It's just I have a right like everyone else to speak up about the Neo scene in general.

Long Live the Neo

Lee (garg7) http://www.neogeotemple.com

 

[SmokeYa]

I hope you like the attention after you are in jail and "Big Bubba" makes you his bitch

 

[nick_th_fury]

Hi Lee, thanks for clarifying. I just really dig sites that show folks game pics. I consider myself a gamer, but I like for my games to look good when company is over & they see them sitting there on my shelf.. After years of magazine and baseball card collecting I do have a collectors streak in me also. Much like magazines & my turbografx games. Whats funny is, I have a lot of Turbo chips. When I get a new one it goes into my turboexpress bag, and the jewel case & manual hit the trash. Its small enough that it stores in a drawer, So i dont care about the packaging since no one but me sees it. Although theres only been one home cart that I hated enough to trade off. I just love these old 16bit games.
-nick_th_fury


[This message has been edited by nick_th_fury (edited September 17, 2000).]

 

[nick_th_fury]

It can be accessed anytime from my website.
Just hit the "Collection" button.


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Nick what's the link to your collection?

 

[Shawn]

It’s a well-known fact that both cart collections and pornography are considered to be obscene by some. If you find pics of porn or neo-geo cart collections to be offensive, then I have helpful advice for you. Don’t look at them!

I have dedicated a significant amount of time and money into building the current collection I have. Collecting both English and Japanese versions of every home cart in pristine condition has not been easy. The act of sharing such a cherished collection with others should not be condemned.

Making the individual cart pictures you see on my collection page was a major undertaking. Each picture was taken on top of my bed, because the surface was soft enough to protect the cart from damage. First I would wash my sheets before each photo shoot. Then I would straighten the sheets to the point of being wrinkle free. Lamps are setup around the room for better lighting. The manual, boxed insert, and cartridge are laid in the best position manually possible. The picture is taken, viewed, and taken again if not perfect. Once loaded into my computer, the picture is edited by removing glare, or visible sheet wrinkles. The file is saved with neo-geo.com watermarks and uploaded to my site for hosting. This process involves 2 to 3 hours of effort to produce 10 perfected cart pictures.

Removing the collection page from neo-geo.com would be a big mistake in my opinion. The main reason neo-geo.com was website of the month in the German magazine VideoGAMES is because of the collection. I also consider the individual cart pictures of every home cart, in both English and Japanese version, to be a helpful and enjoyable resource of neo-geo.com.

 

[NEO]

Hey I got nothing against collecting carts because in a way we all collect everything we buy. I even like your pics on your website, for one thing you don't gloat which is a very good virtue that some people like Dion lack. I don't think you should take down the pics, I just wouldn't have bought those games from them. I won't contribute to fraud. Neo Geo Freak may think they are the future of Neo Geo but Jail is the future for Neo Geo Freak.

 

[Neo Bomber Man]

Originally posted by NGF:
But when has there EVER been a collector that has said something negative about a gamer?

Never.

.........

Don't be mad because other people have had good fortunes and have been able to attain what they desire through years of hard work.

I'm not exactly sure who I'm talking to here (Chris Ray? I saw the Dion ID came out of its premature retirement) but anyhow here's a bit of clarification on my part.

I wasn't attempting to justify a gamer's outbursts to a collector, nor the opposite. I was just saying if you don't care for what someone's about, leave them alone, don't stick around to give them an earful.

Again, I'm not mad for what games anyone else has ben able to acquire. My current collection is small (& now I've just halved it), I have only 1 rare game at the moment, with another 3 coming in, but, I easily could have possessed most of those 100+ games myself; I just didn't feel like devoting the required %age of my fortune to them.

I like collecting & displaying to others, as I've been doing it for over a decade with various things. I've been right at the top of the mountain straight down to the bottom, so I can respect the different leves people are at.

With the Neo I love moreso playing the games, but having them on display to admire and getting to show them off to friends who have never seen anything larget than an SNES cart is a good feeling that can often end up in a game of something.

I agree that accomplishments should not be knocked, even if those accomplishments are meaningless to others. As for collectors & their families, I suppose that says something about age of the average collector, not gamer.

I think this topic is pretty much resolved and no one really cares what I have to say at this point, but I think its worthwhile to say that when one buys something as part of a collection, one automaically buys some bragging rights along with that item. It's up to any of us how much we wish to exercise those rights if we so wish, but for any that don't care, they needn't listen. Don't mar another's enjoyment with your own dislikes.

None of this really even concerns me, so I'll say no more.

 

[chimpmeister]

I agree with NEO, I like seeing the pics of your collection on your site, Shawn. I don't see anything wrong with it, and I can see that you put a huge amount of work into getting the pics online. But I wouldn't buy NGF carts, they're just not real. I will admit, however, that their fake Strikers 1945 Plus insert looks nice.

By the way, I have two copies of the German MAN!AC magazine, september, coming soon . . . my friend's mother just left for Germany yesterday, and I asked her to get them. I saw that there was a nice Neo article in it, and thought it would be nice to get a few (and of course it mentions neo-geo.com!).

Also, if anyone has ever checked, the MAN!AC website has some excellent reviews of Neo Geo games . . . can't find the URL, maybe Shawn has it handy? Of course the reviews are all in German, but you can cut and paste the text out of the German review, into one of the free language translation websites and get a pretty good translation.

 

[Shawn]

Originally posted by chimpmeister:
. . . can't find the URL, maybe Shawn has it handy?

http://www.maniac-online.de/

If anyone knows of any other magazines with neo-geo.com please let me know. I’m offering a $25 finders fee just for informing me.

 

[NGF]

At least it looks like everyone agrees that displaying your collection is a good thing and takes a lot of time and shows pride.

It just seems that people's "blind fury" towards NGF cluds their judgment.

NGF
www.neogeofreak.com

 

[Billkwando]

A few words associated with "NGF":

char·la·tan (shärl-tn)
n.

A person who makes elaborate, fraudulent, and often voluble claims to skill or knowledge; a quack or fraud. See Synonyms at impostor.

prop·a·gan·da (prp-gnd)
n.

1.The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those people advocating such a doctrine or cause.
2.Material disseminated by the advocates of a doctrine or cause

fil·i·bus·ter (fl-bstr)
n.

The use of obstructionist tactics, especially prolonged speechmaking, for the purpose of delaying legislative action.
An instance of the use of this delaying tactic.

grand·stand·ed, grand·stand·ing, grand·stands.
To perform ostentatiously so as to impress an audience.

sleight of hand (slt v hnd)
n., pl. sleights of hand.

1.A trick or set of tricks performed by a juggler or magician so quickly that the manner of execution cannot be observed; legerdemain.
2.Performance of conjuring tricks.
3.Skill in performing conjuring tricks.

mis·lead (ms-ld)
v. tr. mis··led (-ld), mis·lead·ing, mis·leads.

To lead in the wrong direction.
To lead into error of thought or action, especially by intentionally deceiving

v. tr. palmed, palm·ing, palms.
To conceal (something) in the palm of the hand, as in cheating at dice or cards or in a sleight-of-hand trick.

Phrasal Verbs:
palm off
To dispose of or pass off by deception.

rook1 (rk)
n.

1.An Old World bird (Corvus frugilegus) that resembles the North American crow and nests in colonies near the tops of trees.
2.A swindler or cheat, especially at games.

v. tr. rooked, rook·ing, rooks.
To swindle; cheat: Customers are afraid of being rooked by unscrupulous vendors.


http://www.undertheneogeomoon.net



[This message has been edited by Billkwando (edited September 16, 2000).]

 

[Robi15]

It seems to me that the BIGGEST catch with NGF, is that they provide us with beautiful and the best INSERTS/STICKERS available. Many others can convert carts and so on. But NGF has the best artwork. Now, I would like to know how much would you chardge for you'r art work if I would like to buy it from you? Shure you allso have other games that are original. Like the "Digger Man" but the artwork is the main thing why get an NGF cart. But I have to say that the artwork only is not worth 100's of dollars. Please answer that question.


Robi15

 

[JMKurtz]

Robi5,

Dion has already answered this question in a previous post. Around $10 to $20.

Jeff

 

[Robi15]

Oh! I don't know how I could miss it.Ok.Then I consider the price ok i quess. I mean I don't have to have the equipment and take time off to go to an printing company. And I get good artwork. for between 10-20 US i consider it ok.

Thanks

Robi


[This message has been edited by Robi15 (edited September 18, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Robi15 (edited September 18, 2000).]

 

[nick_th_fury]

I agree. Your collection pics rock. Dont even think of dropping them. As I recall, you put up a lot of collection pics before you were reselling, way before neo-geo.com. Juzam I think it was? Shoot don't let anyone get you down man. You obviously enjoy the neo & the site.
Besides, think of all those poor people on ebay who are too lazy to take an auction pic. They'd be left high & dry.
-nick_th_fury



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Removing the collection page from neo-geo.com would be a big mistake in my opinion.

 

[Shawn]

The package arrived today via USPS Express mail service at noon today. Very fast shipping, and nice packaging. Each game was encased in plenty of bubble wrap and taped securely.

Unfortunately, Janshin (Jap version) was not included in the shipment. There was no room left inside the box of 7 carts, so I assume you shipped it separately, or simply forgot. I can accept the fact that you forgot to send Mahjong Janshin Densetsu, since it is the least expensive of the eight. The shipping weight of the entire package filled in by the USPS says 11 lbs. & 6.4 ozs.

The inserts look great, and the cart stickers are well applied and bubble free. The carts used for the conversions are in very nice condition. I’m convinced these were your personal copies.

All of the converted games received played successfully except for Strikers 1945 Plus. Before concluding that this game was faulty, I used a new game cleaning kit that I have never had to use until today. After meticulously cleaning the Strikers 1945’s contacts and the system contacts, I was still unable to get anything other than a black screen with many white blocks. I even tried playing Strikers on several of the other cart systems I have, but still no success.

I would appreciate Janshin and a working Strikers before you leave to Japan.

 

[NGF]

Shawn,
Glad to hear you are happy with your carts. The Janshin was not included because I thought I had one(my own), but forgot about selling it a little while back(knowing I would replace it in Japan). No problems though, it is in the mail from the LV branch of NGF(for arrival on wed). The Strikers was my personal copy(tested of course before leaving my house) and was working fine. Was the box damaged(shipping box) on arrival? I have found the protected games to be ALOT more fragile in terms of banging around). What are the symptoms of the cart? If you pop it in and let it play what does it do? Does it just "tick tick tick" when you plug it in? Is there sound? Let me know. Please keep all the packing materials and original shipping box in case I have to make an insurance claim(I did get extra insurance). I doubt it is anything big. Unfortunately, there is no way I can get you another strikers before i go to Japan, or fix this one(im leaving less than 48h). You can send it back to me to look at when I get back to colo(2 weeks). It is probably something really small. If you dont want to wait I am willing to pay Jeff to look at it in my absence(my expense) if he wants to. Probably super easy money for him. If the sticker is damaged in the process it will be replaced. So make your choice, whatever you want to do(your the customer).

Please dont throw away the box and packing materials though, if the box was banged around and something happened to the cart, i want to recover from USPS.

Any questions or concerns contact me.

Thanks,

Chris Ray

NGF

 

[JMKurtz]

If you want me to check it out, just let me know. You have my address. If it's something simple (like a broken contact from rough shipping), I don't charge for things like that.

Who knows, maybe a wire fell off

Sorry, couldn't resist that one...

Jeff