No. It's a good point. 3rd party votes go toward nothing. Protest votes fall on deaf ears. Welcome to America. Every 4 years it's A or B. Pick one or shut the fuck up.
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No. It's a good point. 3rd party votes go toward nothing. Protest votes fall on deaf ears. Welcome to America. Every 4 years it's A or B. Pick one or shut the fuck up.
If you live in a swing state and your options are: guy you’re not completely in love with, or that guy who puts kids in cages, promotes fake treatments for self profit, destroys evidence the wake of the independent investigation to his role in the election tampering
And you vote 3rd party, or tell others to,
Then you’re just working for the shittier excuse for a human.
You know who promotes third party candidates in America?
Russia.
Russia.
Do you believe that change can be achieved through the ballot?
Run the same playbook as 2016 I guess, believe your chosen candidate is entitled to the votes of others, we'll see how it goes. I wouldn't recommend it personally.
And I'll continue complaining anyway.
Yes, if the system works as intended. Do I believe cheating happens? Also, yes. We have no real alternatives.
I never chose this candidate and people not voting in primaries hurts everyone. The DNC will pick who they want and this time it was no women (Warren), no "blackies" (Booker), and no "commies" (Sanders). They went with name recognition and a plan to capture the black vote. Biden's name still carries weight from the Obama era. Whoever gets the most donations usually ends up being the nominee. Super Pacs have made it so companies and wealthy individuals can pump up any candidate they see fit to run the country that will protect their money and power. It is rumored Bloomberg ran with the sole purpose of keeping Warren out. He succeeded in spades, though I won't give him full credit for tearing her down, some of the blame goes to the Bernie segment for siphoning votes and the DNC for destroying her chances.
I don't care if you vote for Trump, that's your choice. I'm just saying not voting or going 3rd party accomplishes nothing. I would love for a viable 3rd party to pop up, but our system is intentionally designed to limit choices, imo. If you don't like Trump and want to hurt him, then your ONLY CHOICE is to vote for Biden. That's it. There's no list of candidates. Green Party/Libertarian is a joke and none of those candidates have chance of gaining a substantial amount of votes.
I guess if you live in a red state it won't matter, but in a swing state like Michigan, every vote counts. Do I think the GOP will pull all the stops to stay in power, absolutely. They're notorious for voter suppression: closing down voting booths in blue areas, gerrymandering, "losing" mail-in ballots, etc. Will any of that stop me from voting for a candidate that has chance to beat Trump? NO.
At this point the DNC could put a brain-dead monkey on ballot and I'd vote for him/her.
This is a hilarious question, because it begs the follow up "what changes are you talking about?" When two people have vastly different desires for their government, the question looks like an attempt at gaslighting more than sincere. In an ideal world, where the rule of law means something, Lithy will be complaining. I hope he complains for a very long time. It will be a dark day when he stops complaining.
I'm not trying to say that roker should agree with me politically, I'm trying to suggest he vote his heart and allow others the same privilege and was honestly curious if he thinks that voting accomplishes anything. If it doesn't and we have issues, my follow up would be to ask what his plan is to affect change. Vote A or B and if that fails, go straight to violent revolution? I just feel like there's got to be some in between. My in between is voting 3rd party when A and B don't satisfy me. I even feel as if voluntarily abstaining can be a political choice although I don't think it is particularly effective. At least this way, I can have the supporters of the losing candidate yell at me for the succeeding 4 years. Everyone can and should complain. Loudly and often.
As for why I came to that post (and apologies to roker for doing a weird roundabout way of replying to both him and you)
Earlier in the thread he said:
SML posted a similar sentiment on the last page too. I'm 100% ok with this. #nevertrump seems like a poor platform for a political part to me, but if you think that 4 more years of Trump will be so much worse than the alternative, sure, go for it.
But then he followed up with this:
Which I disagree with completely. It is not irrelevant if Biden sucks (in a general sense). 3rd party voters can absolutely complain if they don't vote for Biden. Every non-Biden vote does not help Trump unless your worldview is that dissent votes are somehow obligated to your candidate (in this case Biden).
*shrug* or just blame Russia if it doesn't work out.
Vote for whoever you want. But be honest about what your vote means, especially if you're voting in a state like Pennsylvania. Voting for Vermin Supreme, or whoever you will get from the Libertarians, is a declaration that you like the direction of the current government. "Change"? If you want any change, vote for the most likely candidate that will change the administration.
The biggest question moving forward for Russia is how to make more idiots useful. I'm not calling you an idiot, but questioning if your goal is to make idiots useful as well, by having them vote 3rd party, abstain, or support Trump. If you don't agree that the path Trump has America on leads to the end of democracy and our civil freedoms (you know, all those jokes about lifting the term limits for Trump, or suspending the election), then go ahead and vote your conscience.
That said, 3rd party voters can't complain about the winner in any election - because they didn't vote for the most likely candidate to defeat the winner.
Every non-Biden vote does help Trump, purely because no one else stands to benefit as much as Trump, as the incumbent, in this coming election. Incumbents have historically held an advantage in their follow up elections over the past 40 years.
It is irrelevant if Biden sucks (in a general sense) if your main interest is to see Trump removed from office. If your goal is "get the Trumps out of office" then you vote for the most likely candidate to do that.
But if your main interest is tacitly to see Trump remain, then your arguments all start to sound like "vote for Trump." And that's okay. Just be honest about it.
In NY, who can vote for either Trump or Biden on a 3rd Party ticket.
Rank choice voting would solve the stupid third party vote wasting argument. How about supporting that instead of rationalizing voting for someone whose record and policies are the complete opposite of what you actually want/support because Trump bad.
Every single election has been the same since I moved to the US in 2000. Vote for Gore because he's slightly better/not as bad as W Bush. Vote for Kerry because W bad. Vote for Obama because hope and change. Go to sleep for 8 years while Obama drones brown people, bails out corporations and gives away the farm to healthcare oligarchs in the ACA (his only real "achievement").
Vote for Clinton because Trump is horrible. Now it's vote for Biden or it's the end of democracy and OMG RUSSIA! Literally the same shit every time. All progressives conveniently silenced and marginalized. I'm sure it'll be the same shit in 2024. If you guys got out of your binary mindset, maybe spent some time living in countries with more functional democracies with viable centrist, center-left, and socialist options instead of rationalizing choosing between right wing corporatists and further right wing corporatists you would understand.
Every single election has been the same since I moved to the US in 2000. Vote for Gore because he's slightly better/not as bad as W Bush. Vote for Kerry because W bad. Vote for Obama because hope and change. Go to sleep for 8 years while Obama drones brown people, bails out corporations and gives away the farm to healthcare oligarchs in the ACA (his only real "achievement").
Vote for Clinton because Trump is horrible. Now it's vote for Biden or it's the end of democracy and OMG RUSSIA! Literally the same shit every time. All progressives conveniently silenced and marginalized. I'm sure it'll be the same shit in 2024. If you guys got out of your binary mindset, maybe spent some time living in countries with more functional democracies with viable centrist, center-left, and socialist options instead of rationalizing choosing between right wing corporatists and further right wing corporatists you would understand.
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This is the crux of it all.
If you live in a critical swing state and vote third party when you are socially left of center then yes you voted for Trump wether you like it or not.
You can rationalize it any way you want to feel good abput yourself. But mealy mouthed statements of "principle", "choice", and the value of "complaining" to civil society cannot wash away the facts.
Fuck yourself
No I seriously hope you fucking inject disinfectant and die motherfucker.
I had no idea you moved to the USA only around 2000 though.
Hopefully you arent a citizen and cant vote. But even if thats the case, spreading your pathetic Russia lies is equally shameful.
Seriously though. Kill yourself fagget.
Ok, well that's not my main interest.
Right because everything is normal. This is just usual politics and theres really no reasom to be alarmed.
Lol
I am a citizen and can vote. How old are you anyway? The constant autism oozing from your posts make you seem like an angry teenager. If someone disagrees with you IRL do you try to fight them or retreat to the safety of your home in order to vent your impotent rage online?
Well thats a shame.
No I typically vent on stupid faggots like you here and then have reasonable discussions in real life. Once in a while ive had to tell my trumpfaggot friends irl that weve reached an impasse and theres just nothing more to discuss so lets just enjoy fishing or whatever else.
And I'm a teenager now? This, coming from the guy who thinks overgrown whiny racist manchild Tucker Carlson is a legimate source of news? Amazing.
Who knows. Maybe you're a self hating brown skinned guy. It would make a lot of sense if you were a male Candace Owens.
This appears to be complete horsecrap.
How did you move here from the UK in 2000 and then vote in the 2000 election? Even if you were born to US parents, your voting privilege is in question because of residency requirements. It doesn't help that you're peppering your bullshit with 4chanisms like Bush bad, Trump bad, omg russia.
And moreover, as you claimed you were from the UK, have you lived in a "more functional democracy"? Because the UK is not a democracy.
By the looks of it, yes.
There's too many people that I don't want in office for me to vote to keep them out.
I'll give Biden some credit if he wins and there were crimes and he sticks to his recent statement about not pardoning Trump and his Justice Department pursues it, but I tend to think it was just some lip service for the bloodthirstiest of his supporters.
He's voting Trump in florida for dubious reasons.