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As a Chinese Panda, I am offended by the Italian Plumber Mario. I'm calling my attorney.
As a white American, I am offended by everything. I'm calling your attorney.
As a Chinese Panda, I am offended by the Italian Plumber Mario. I'm calling my attorney.
Nintendo is the only company in the gaming business (between Nintendo,Sony,Microsoft) That is strictly a video game company. That could be the reason why they aren't doing so hot right now. Games have evolved, along with the consoles to something well beyond what the NES and SNES were. I feel like Nintendo still has a mindset that as long as "they" make good games then consumers will be there. In a sense that is true. I loved the wii and i enjoy my Wii U more than my ps4. But for the general audience, they want more than just the standard Nintendo fair.
For anything to be successful it has to have a big casual user base, and also appeal to the hardcore audience. Nintendo isn't doing that right now. I hope the NX is able to change it.
I disagree with you almost completely.
Nintendo started playing by their own rules with the N64...and that's when things began to fall apart. The N64 had a goofy controller and even more importantly, was cart based. The PS1 creamed the thing in the market because of that.
With the GC/PS2/XBOX era...once again...goofy controller and a dumb mini-disc when everyone else was on to DVD. The really lost that round.
They happened to luck out with the Wii and their motion based control which happened to appeal to non-gaming people...but that wore thin and like non-gaming people, they all returned to not-gaming. The WiiU is a prime example of this. Few that went out to buy the flash-in-the-pan Wii have moved to the WiiU.
A vast majority of gamers want a straight forward, easy to use controller and games...not gimmicky games.
The PS1/2/3/4 were/are successful because of how much they are all like the NES, SNES and Genesis. Good controller, straight forward, traditional games.
I won't deny the add-on's like Blu Ray playback or the console being a media server haven't helped...but players still want games, not gimmicks.
Why it could be a failure:
I can't even make it into my bedroom or office with the Wii U remote to play games remotely on it. If the NX is basically just a Wii U with better specs, but all of the guts are in the controller, like rumored, then I'm all for it. I'm totally fine with the pad being the main console and having a receiver at the TV for output. Of course, that also means physical media is likely done, or they're going to 3DS style carts for games (possible, but unlikely).
I'll probably buy one. Not at launch, but I love my Wii U. Only system that gets my time these days.
I wanna say that the drawing shows it without an optical drive but with a flash ram "cartridge" port....I may be remembering it wrong though.
gonna suck shit like the last two consoles
You people disappoint me
Be careful with that - games get released buggy as hell and need patches to fix them. Yeah, its great that the entry price point is so low, but once online support goes away for them, a lot of those games may become useless.
I've always maintained this console is going to be a handheld that docks at home. Let's face it, Nintendo games are what matters, they know this and most of their games don't need the horsepower of the ps4/bone.
Nintendo always has a boner for pushing interaction between their handheld devices and fitness too, I could see them using this as a reason to advertise taking this "console" anywhere in your pocket, while getting more streetpasses/steps/heart rate up etc. They know most amiibo collections are large and would rather people take their consoles out to friends houses rather than lugging around 20+ amiibos everywhere.
What I'm hoping for is that they actually get a decent online experience and interface at launch because they are way out of touch on this front. An all in one console that has parity between handheld and home console is what we need these days. Sony has hemmoraged money with the vita and pstv and Nintendo is poised to learn from that mistake all while ditching an unsucessful platform in the WiiU, and beefing up their DS legacy.
I think at least in the US, if M$ or Sony shut down the actual servers needed for the patches, and even servers for online play. Legally fans can startup their own servers to get the games working. Not only that but I believe its a requirement now that if they shut down a store, they must release the DRM. (This is why when Sony shut down the reader store, they transferred their content to Kobo)synbiosfan said:I used to think that too. Patches will be made and it'll be no different than downloading any other rom.
1. Nintendo dominates the handheld market (not counting phones), and they know this. I personally think Nintendo is going to use this to their advantage by ultimately forcing consumers who want their handheld, to buy the console at the same time. I feel they realize at this point that is how they are going to have to get console sales.
Getting Dragon Quest games is way less important than it used to be. DQ X sold less than a million copies and was released on multiple systems. It being an MMO certainly didn't help but yeah... not as important as it used to be. Plus DQXI is already coming to PS4 soooo...2. Zelda is obviously going to be released for the NX, in a Twilight Princess way. I'm not even sure if it will hit the Wii-U. Also, the next Dragon Quest is already announced, which hopefully means it will get some Square-Enix, and other support from JRPG developers.
Backwards compatibility is the most overrated bullshit ever. It's a nice bullet point when you're announcing your system and creates good will for about the first year when people still give a shit to play their old games but after that, it's an egregious waste of time and can potentially hamstring your design choices. Making sure people can play their Wii U games means either a) having to include an optical disc drive and the Wii U's processor or design their new processor to be able to run the Wii U OS (which adds cost and size to your device) or b) building a Wii U emulator so that people can use their digital copies of games (which will piss off people with physical copies and take up a significant amount of development to produce). This doesn't even take in to account the need for connectivity with the Wii U gamepad (because a lot of games won't work without the second screen experience) and having all of the Wii U's patches and digital content available in whatever new store front you build.1. If it's not compatible with Wii-U games. People are going to be pretty pissed if this thing doesn't play disc based Wii-U games. They're going to be pissed anyway. I was looking today, and the Wii-U has a total of 99 retail games released, in what, 4 years. That's a ridiculous low number. If this does not happen, people might be pretty reluctant to drop down probably $400.00 on a new console.
If Nintendo could build an integrated online experience that is comparable with Sony and Microsoft's offerings (a store worth a damn, easy to connect with friends/strangers, community building that isn't insulting for anyone over the age of 12, not tightly controlling every interaction), it could definitely go a long way. The chances of Nintendo making that big of a pivot and going completely against everything they've stood for the last 30 years? Slim to nil. While I'm sure they'll finally remove friend codes and make a concerted effort to make a storefront that isn't hot garbage, they're still Nintendo. They'll continue to make frustrating, anti-consumer and anti-publisher decisions that will cause most people to continue to ignore them while Nintendo fans make endless excuses.2. They don't take online gaming seriously. Lets be honest here, one of the big reasons people don't develop for the Wii-U, besides it's less powerful than the other consoles, is that the online sucks. Nintendo needs to get in the game and create a social media interface, with an easy to use account system to locate, and play with friends. Furthermore, we need freaking headsets. This is a key element Nintendo needs to focus on in order to get the sports players, and FPS players. Now I still don't think this will convert the majority of the sports and FPS players. They will most likely go XBOX, or maybe PS4, but it will help to sell the console to the few out there that have a diverse taste in games. I mean, no matter what Nintendo does, Nintendo consoles will always be seen as a console for a younger audience, and those die hard xbox fans are not going to leave.