Metal Slug 3 emulated!!! Nooooooooooooo

[Kazuya_UK]

Like I've said many times, I do use emu's, but mainly for taking screenshots etc for my site these days. I've been a Neo fan since the early nineties and always wanted a Neo Geo but could never afford it... but eventually I bought myself an MVS, and for some reason I find it WAY more fun than playing the games through an emulator.

It's hard to put your finger on, but to me the real thing just seems more fun, and to be quite honest, the MVS carts I have right now hold more interest for me than the Metal Slug 3 roms sitting on my HD. Besides, I'd rather not play the game fully until I get the cart (I will at some point), so then I can appreciate it fully on a big screen TV with proper Neo sticks. Ok, I could get a gfx card for my PC with a TV out, and also a hotrod arcade stick etc etc, but is it really worth all that hassle?

As far as savestates and the like go, I don't really care for them much and would rather play the games normally instead... although online play can be very cool (I use that occasionally).

 

[Dan Elektro]

Originally posted by Dampfwalze:
<STRONG>But this "gameplay" thing is a lousy excuse
for playing without paying.
Same could be said about PSX copies.
"I don't care about manuals and colorful
CD-Cases. I am the real gameplay-fan."

Fine then if you like the gameplay that
much, show it by buying the game.</STRONG>

Agreed. I believe the official American phrase for this indefensible position is "a load of horse shit." My original note about "studying gameplay" was more about current game designers doing historical research, not just a self-proclaimed "hardcore game fan" who wants to "experience the pure game" without paying.

As Mike very eloquently pointed out, the act of "preserving" games should be reserved for games that actually need preservation...NOT commercially available titles from companies that still exist. And that really is the difference between the good and the bad of emulation.

I'm in the camp of people who believe nothing takes the place of the real thing anyway. I am impressed with and respectful of emulation technology, but it doesn't feel as satisfying for me as the real thing. For reasons from tactile feedback to social aspects to sheer nostalgia, I'd simply rather play Last Blade on my Neo coin-op than Last Blade on Kaillera.

[ November 30, 2001: Message edited by: Dan Elektro ]

 

[nick_th_fury]

I am impressed with and respectful of emulation technology, but it doesn't feel as satisfying for me as the real thing. For reasons from tactile feedback to social aspects to sheer nostalgia, I'd simply rather play Last Blade on my Neo coin-op than Last Blade on Kaillera.

Gotta admit, you said that just right.
That is exactly how I feel.
Thanks.

 

[orochidan]

If anyone wants to play some metal slug tonight on kaillera IM me. my user name is the same as is on here.

 

[SPINMASTER X]

Orochidan, I will beat your ass!!!!

 

[Robert]

I have seen it on many website but t doesn't interest me, I will wait for a MVS copy

 

[ttooddddyy]

If you want to play it then compile your own emu, nothing supports it at the moment, go out and spend a quarter you heels!

 

[Rain]

Originally posted by ttooddddyy:
<STRONG>If you want to play it then compile your own emu, nothing supports it at the moment, go out and spend a quarter you heels!</STRONG>

Kawaks does.

 

[ttooddddyy]

with serious gfx problems im told.

 

[Rain]

Originally posted by ttooddddyy:
<STRONG>with serious gfx problems im told.</STRONG>

There are no gfx problems at all, according to those who have it.

 

[Wolferaizer]

u guys should be banned.

no rom disccusion here. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

 

[ttooddddyy]

Why not, nothing wrong with emulation, the roms i have dont seem to work, i guess it will be emulated in mame and neorage soon anyway, by the way I own three snk/ neogeo 6 slot cabs and one MV-1FZ and over 30 carts, including ms1,2 if im not entitled to have a preview of ms3 then get off the bus, will be in hk soon and pick it up from cossmico.
Over to you ng nazi.

 

[Tora Kouhi]

Hush up Wolferaizer-sama rom user fucktard. >=[ <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0">

 

[Gerken]

Pay for play.

Entitled to download a rom? Not unless you own it first. Show me where in the LAW it says that the seller has to allow the buyer a demo?

Self-Justifications a funny thing ain't it?
Or rather, Self-Justification is a mainipulator of the truth, and can so misconstrue right from wrong that you believe somethings right, when it is so blatently wrong.

Theft is theft. So easy to say, so simply stupid, so plainly obvious, so why do so many not care?

The festering scab of internet theft remains..........

 

[JHendrix]

There is a ROM, it plays exactly like the Neo Geo (if you have the right setup).

Live with it!!!!!

Accept people play Neo Geo games that way!

You can't change it, I can't change it, the Pope can't change it, so DEAL with it!

I swear, every time I see one of those "Die you ROM fucktard" or whatever posts, I get this urge...this urge to build.

I have a feeling in my gut that I just want to build the ultimate MAME setup, you know the kind that plays these things and makes it JUST like a NEO GEO. Just to piss those people off. Just to show them it's there, just to show them that it's every bit as good. But after I'm done I want to put a tutorial online, just like the one I"m writing for my home MVS system, so other people can build/modify their PC to do it to! Anything to hurt or destroy that "You are a ROM whore, die" philosopy! <IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0">

 

[FeelGood]

OK, but see, you buy games. You support SNK. You are not a leach.

These people play SNK games on their PCs, and then scrounge all their change for the PS2 or X-Box. What worms! The filth of the gaming world. They should suffer the penalty of all theifs in a Taliban rulled Afghanistan - the dismemberment of their hands!

People who play roms - yeah, it's bad, but the least you could do is support. I ask that if you won't pay for a neo geo and games (<freakazoid script>but SNK isn't getting any support... ugghhh. I am moorroonnn</freakazoid> ) then don't go out and buy a playstation 2 or X-Box. Be consistent. Don't steal a filet mignon and then buy $30 worth of beef jerky.

Originally posted by JHendrix:
<STRONG>There is a ROM, it plays exactly like the Neo Geo (if you have the right setup).

Live with it!!!!!

Accept people play Neo Geo games that way!

You can't change it, I can't change it, the Pope can't change it, so DEAL with it!

I swear, every time I see one of those "Die you ROM fucktard" or whatever posts, I get this urge...this urge to build.

I have a feeling in my gut that I just want to build the ultimate MAME setup, you know the kind that plays these things and makes it JUST like a NEO GEO. Just to piss those people off. Just to show them it's there, just to show them that it's every bit as good. But after I'm done I want to put a tutorial online, just like the one I"m writing for my home MVS system, so other people can build/modify their PC to do it to! Anything to hurt or destroy that "You are a ROM whore, die" philosopy! <IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

 

[Robert]

Roms must burn in hell?

 

[JHendrix]

Wasabi, I hear you, I agree to a point, but you gotta realise something. We, (ie. the people on this board) are not supporting SNK. SNK died, they stopped selling 98% of the Neo Geo games a long time ago. Not one cent in a $1500 Metal Slug eBay auction goes to SNK. Same thing for Ganryu, Twinkle Star Sprites, MOTW, etc. All this cash, all this money that this scene demands does not go to SNK at all! My entire "collection" (is 8 games a collection?) came from people, resellers, not SNK.
These ROM's, and EMU's were not able to be played on equal level with a Neo Geo untill about 2 years ago, you know, when SNK was making like 2 games a year or something to that affect. You know kinda going around the last rings of it's life, dying. ROM's did not kill SNK.
Next, it's not stealing anymore. SNK is dead, they're not going to arrest you for having these ROM's, or prosecute you, even if you turned yourself in. Why? Cause the copyrights are like gone, and there is no one who is caring about these games right now. So it ain't stealing anymore people. Is it raping a dead corpse? Yeah, but it ain't stealing.

Peace

JHendrix

 

[Gerken]

Copyrights gone? <IMG SRC="smilies/tickled.gif" border="0"> No! Copyrights don't just absolve or just blow up, and disintegrate. If they did Capcom wouldn't have to care 1 cent if they made SNK vs Capcom 3,4,5,6, etc., but they can't till they pay the rightful owners of the copyrights for use of the characters. Just because you don't know who owns the copyrights does not mean they do not exist (self justification). Why is Capcom so interested in SNK? Because the RIGHTS exist and Capcom wants them.

Next off. Shawn runs the Neo Store, as far as I know, he was given certain exclusive rights to destribute Neo Geo English AES carts. So you reason SNK is dead therefore their IP (intellectual property is fair game) so you download the Metal Slug 3 which you otherwise would have had to buy from Shawn. Shawn kicks the bucket because you aren't respecting his right to sell SNK's games, and make a profit doing so.

Just because I die doesn't mean you can take my MiniVan. Just as we have a method of passing rights to property to our descendants (inheritance) so Copyrights go to other owners in similar fashion.

Theft is Theft. Get the picture? I'm gonna look up some links to Copyright Laws and Proceedure, which you (rom downloaders who don't own the actual cart) should do too before you start spouting off SNK's Games are FAIR GAME for me to play cause they are dead yo! (Which is absolutely wrong.) Copyrights don't die overnight.

[ December 03, 2001: Message edited by: Gerken ]

 

[Gerken]

Oh, and why does everyone keep saying roms did not kill SNK? Who told you that? Did SNK say, "Roms did not kill us." We'll I'll say ROMS played their part, and Roms were probably one of the bigger nails in SNK's coffin. If SNK didn't believe that ROMs were a negative point in their market, why did they change their encryption code? Why did they go to great lengths to extend the shelf life of their product?

Sure you can argue that SNK had poor management and sales, but that in no way negates the gut punch SNK took because ROMers downloaded their games and did not Pay to Play.


There is no such thing as a free lunch. Someones pocket is picked when you download a rom you didn't pay for.

 

[JHendrix]

Originally posted by Gerken:
<STRONG>Copyrights gone? <IMG SRC="smilies/tickled.gif" border="0"> No! Copyrights don't just absolve or just blow up, and disintegrate. If they did Capcom wouldn't have to care 1 cent if they made SNK vs Capcom 3,4,5,6, etc., but they can't till they pay the rightful owners of the copyrights for use of the characters. Just because you don't know who owns the copyright does not mean it does not exist (self justification). Why is Capcom so interested in SNK? Because the RIGHTS exist and Capcom wants them.

Next off. Shawn runs the Neo Store, as far as I know, he was given certain exclusive rights to destribute Neo Geo English AES carts. So you reason SNK is dead therefore their IP (intellectual property is fair game) so you download the Metal Slug 3 which you otherwise would have had to buy from Shawn. Shawn kicks the bucket because you aren't respecting his right to sell SNK's games, and make a profit doing so.

Just because I die doesn't mean you can take my MiniVan. Just as we have a method of passing rights to property to our descendants (inheritance) so Copyrights go to other owners in similar fashion.

Theft is Theft. Get the picture? I'm gonna look up some links to Copyright Laws and Proceedure, which you (rom downloaders who don't own the actual cart) should do too before you start spouting off SNK's Games are FAIR GAME for me to play cause they are dead yo! (Which is absolutely wrong.) Copyrights don't die overnight.</STRONG>

Yeah you need copyrights to the characters for a new game using those characters, but the copyrights on the GAMES themselves are gone. Capcom doesn't care if some kid downloads and plays KOF94 on their PC. SNK doesn't care if that happens anymore, why? Because they're gone! Not existing means not caring.
Ok, so lets just say that ROM's are illegal. It's one of those things that people, including the original company that made the games just doesn't care about. They don't care, it's quite simple. And these people who are downloading these ROM's will not and most likely can not buy the legit copies anyway. I mean this much money for one game is pretty damn rediculous.
Shawn will sell all of his Metal Slug 3 copies over time, there is still a market for them, a collectors market. BTW, as a side note Shawn should probably remove the blurb on the MS3 page that says "Never ported to another system or emulated."

So as far as I can tell, SNK isn't making any money on these games anymore, so don't tell me that downloading them is hurting SNK.

As a nice side point, I'm sure all of you anti-ROM people would be pretty damn happy if someone dumped the "prototype" Ironclad ROM NGF claims to have (or any of thier other "prototype" roms that they sell for like $2000).

Peace

JHendrix

 

[Gerken]

No. I don't think it would make me happy. I realize that Ironclad is outta my price range therefore I can't get it. Simple as that. As others have said, I don't need it to survive... not a necessity. If they dump it I will most likely groan in discontent as I realize that many people will download it, with no respect nor care for what isn't theirs.
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Length of Copyright
On October 27, 1998, the Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act was enacted into Copyright Law. This Act extends the duration of copyright by adding 20 years to each of the previous copyright durations. In addition, any copyright still in its renewal term as of October 27, 1998 will have a copyright of 95 years from the date the copyright was secured.

The following table lists the new, updated length of copyright:

**Copyright Law**
Before 1978--Published Work is protected for 75 years from date of publication, providing copyright was renewed.
Pre 1978 (created but not published) The Copyright begins on January 1, 1978 and generally lasts for the life of last surviving author, plus 70 years.
1978 to Present--Copyright owned by an individual The Copyright lasts for 70 years after the death of the author
1978 to Present-Copyright owned by an employer of author Copyright lasts for 95 years from the day of publication or 120 years from date of creation--whichever comes first.
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Hmmm.... 70 years? 120 YEARS!!!!! KoF 94 is not even close to reaching this age. Read the copyright laws and tell me your not breaking the LAW! If ROMers were reported to SPA (software piracy association) I'm sure they would have no qualms about slapping the law in their face.

 

[Gerken]

http://www.intelproplaw.com/
http://www.projectcool.com/developer/copyright/ref.html
http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/

I'll cite my sources. Need more proof? Check it out. You should be an informed citizen.

 

[JHendrix]

Originally posted by Gerken:
<STRONG>Oh, and why does everyone keep saying roms did not kill SNK? Who told you that? Did SNK say, "Roms did not kill us." We'll I'll say ROMS played their part, and Roms were probably one of the bigger nails in SNK's coffin. If SNK didn't believe that ROMs were a negative point in their market, why did they change their encryption code? Why did they go to great lengths to extend the shelf life of their product?

Sure you can argue that SNK had poor management and sales, but that in no way negates the gut punch SNK took because ROMers downloaded their games and did not Pay to Play.


There is no such thing as a free lunch. Someones pocket is picked when you download a rom you didn't pay for.</STRONG>

Why does everyone say that? Because it's true! It's DAMN TRUE! (sorry I'm pshyched for WWF tonight <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">) SNK did not die because of ROM's! SNK sold all of the MVS carts for the games they made. And you know why SNK had encryption codes installed in all games after KOF98? It wasnt' because of Emulation. Back then you couldn't emulate the games for SHIT. They made the encryption to stop the one thing that did hurt SNK, BOOTLEGS! That's right, emu's just started coming out being near the actual product in about 1999, when you had good versions of Mame and NeoRageX and powerful enough machines to run them on!
SNK didn't make a lot of money in the AES market, thier bread and butter was the MVS. So playing games at home was not really a concern, as they new the AES didn't have real market penetration (as $300 for a new GAME was a bit much for the average consumer). So what upset them was the bootleg MVS games that were out there, that's what upset thier profits.
SO DO NOT TELL ME THAT SNK MADE THE ENCRYPTION TO STOP EMULATORS! When they made the encryption emulation was just getting on it's feet Neo wise!

Peace

JHendrix

 

[Gerken]

You may be right about the reasons for Encryption. MVS was SNK's primary source of income. But you can't say SNK didn't know ROMs for their games existed.

Check out the Copyright info and then tell me downloading roms without original carts is legal?

Oh I'm psyched too <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> ... Roms start a fire burning inside me.

I'm not one who doesn't realize that Emulation can be better than the real deal. I actually think the arguement that "Nothing is as good as the real deal," is weak at best when dealing with the Ethics, Legalities, and Moral wrongs and rights of Roms. But as I said before, I must own before I emulate! I'm even looking into getting an X-Arcade controller so that when I'm away from Home and away from my 4 player Cabinet, so I can play my favorite games (that I own original copies too, own them FIRST... then emulate them).

I realize that the prices are "outrageous" for Neo Geo AES games, but just cause I can't afford it doesn't give me any right to get it with whatever means possible. If you can't buy it, so be it. You won't starve if you don't get Sengoku 3, or Metal Slug 3, or King of Fighters 2000-1. If you want them just get the MVS version. Be patient... the price will drop. You are here, so you realize the quaility of SNK's games. If you didn't even like their games, you wouldn't even be here. There is a set price. Pay it, or wait for it to drop. Legalities are quite simple. Most are blatently black and white. Its only the humans desire to self justify his wrong, that allows him to steal with no remorse.

[ December 03, 2001: Message edited by: Gerken ]