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gozu+mezu
07-10-2003, 02:46 PM
SNK PLAYMORE will bring a KOF' 2001 with 3D backgrounds (like KOF'99 EVO), in arcade on the 18 september of this year.

SNK VS CAPCOM is delayed to the july 24.

SNK PLAYMORE will be at the next TGS SHOW

Giby
07-10-2003, 02:48 PM
Link to the info please.

fatal fury fan #1
07-10-2003, 02:49 PM
SNK PLAYMORE will be at the next TGS SHOW what TGS Show?

Xstatic
07-10-2003, 02:50 PM
So, first they change the release date of SvCC from july 20th to the 17th and now they delay it to the 24th? What's going on!?

Giby
07-10-2003, 02:51 PM
fatal fury fan #1:

SNK PLAYMORE will be at the next TGS SHOW what TGS Show? Tokyo Game Show

Tenshokyaku
07-10-2003, 02:53 PM
What hardware is Playmore going 3D with? Any word?

Average Joe
07-10-2003, 02:58 PM
gozu+mezu:
SNK PLAYMORE will bring a KOF' 2001 with 3D backgrounds (like KOF'99 EVO), in arcade on the 18 september of this year.I'm not concerned with the "how" but more as to the "why?"

Can't say I see the point in that, especially if it's still the same shite BG's.

gozu+mezu
07-10-2003, 03:01 PM
The news are from <a href="http://www.wahrun.tk" target="_blank">Wahrun</a>, a great arcade web magazine :D buttrock

and the TGS show s the Tokyo Game Show wink

maybe the 3d hardware will be the ATOMISWAVE, remember, KOF'99 EVO was on NAOMI GD, and ATOMISWAVE is just a cheap NAOMI GD from Sammy.

HPMAN
07-10-2003, 03:05 PM
KOF2001 is scheduled on PS2, if it goes 3D it would make sense to use sytem 246 (or another custom PS2 system)

neojedi
07-10-2003, 03:06 PM
gozu+mezu:
maybe the 3d hardware will be the ATOMISWAVEThat's a fascinating idea... Sammy crash-tested the Atomiswave by revamping a previous game and releasing GGX 1.5. Maybe SNK is thinking the same thing... KOF 2001.5! :D loco

This fits with rumors that KOF 2003 will be Atomiswave perfectly.

gozu+mezu
07-10-2003, 03:07 PM
seems logic to me

ps: pas con le soudeur !!! :D

Tenshokyaku
07-10-2003, 04:03 PM
KOF on new hardware, huh?

I REALLY hope Playmore knows what the hell they are doing. I would hate to see all those great SNK properties wasted on ANOTHER crap 3D game. SNK themselves didn't really know how to break into the 3D arena, let's hope these new programmers know how.

RabbitTroop
07-10-2003, 04:07 PM
Atomiswave are cheap too... hmmm... if this is true, I see an Atomiswave in my future wink

-Nick

JHendrix
07-10-2003, 04:13 PM
KOF2k3 on Atomiswave.... buttrock

If it's true, I will shed a tear of joy.

Fran
07-10-2003, 04:22 PM
JHendrix:
KOF2k3 on Atomiswave.... buttrock

If it's true, I will shed a tear of joy. no offense intended

but you are lame

BC_Gambit
07-10-2003, 04:24 PM
Here's another yahoo on the possibility of Atomiswave:

Its cheap (relatively) and if it can handle GG games, then its more than welcome as a successor to MVS.

Takumaji
07-10-2003, 04:32 PM
KoF 3D = sacrilege.

I know that they're talking about backs a la KoF99 DC, but that's only the beginning.

KoF 3D does not work. Slug 3D does not work. End of story.

SonGohan
07-10-2003, 04:35 PM
Honestly, if SNK was going to make a switch to a different system, I'd rather it be one they make themselves.

RyoGeo
07-10-2003, 04:41 PM
What is the storage medium for the Atomiswave?

Discs, chips/boards, what?

BC_Gambit
07-10-2003, 04:43 PM
If SNK decides to switch to a system that they make themselves, they'll go bankrupt again.

I'd rather they go with something proven, supported by other developers, and easy to program for. Atomiswave/Naomi is all of these things (assuming atmomiswave performs as well as a naomi, without all that messing about with CD roms and what not).

SNK already tried to graduate to their own hardware from the MVS, and they failed. Simple as that, I'd rather not have their next failure cost them the company once and for all (since the people actually making these decisions will lose their jobs if the company goes under, I'm sure they're even more interested in doing the conservative thing than I am).

BC_Gambit
07-10-2003, 04:50 PM
here is the link:

Until someone shows me otherwise, I think this is cartridge based (which, considering the high failure rate of CD based devices, is welcome). I know the games are cartrige based for now, but a GD rom attachment would be an annoying possibility.

<a href="http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/pcbs/atomiswave_system/Guilty_Gear_X__Ver._1.5_Kit_3026.html" target="_blank">http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/pcbs/atomiswave_system/Guilty_Gear_X__Ver._1.5_Kit_3026.html</a>

<small>[ July 10, 2003, 05:20 PM: Message edited by: BC_Gambit ]</small>

TriShield
07-10-2003, 04:55 PM
3D? oh_no

xFinnPetersx
07-10-2003, 05:13 PM
RyoGeo:
What is the storage medium for the Atomiswave?

Discs, chips/boards, what? <a href="http://www.coinopexpress.com/screenshots/_7638.html" target="_blank">Rom Cartridge slot</a>

<a href="http://www.coinopexpress.com/screenshots/ss_7639.html" target="_blank">Rom Cartridge</a>

I don't know what to really think about the KOF news. i'm 50/50. it's a cool upgrade but only that, if they can't start injecting some content/color/style into the 2d background they shouldn't change to 3d. they should hire new artists (or something) and get them working harder on KOF backgrounds. 2001's backgrounds really suck. Other than the character portraits (which you get used to and start to love) the backgrounds are the only thing that make the game irratating to play. i was somewhat unhapy when i first got it in the mail and saw the race track background and the snowy temple korea background (which looks better if you don't focus on the complete lack of any color but grey). but the fighting and cast are great. if they "fix" the backgrounds by going 3d i'm alright with it but they better do it right and not just change them to 3d, they have to add color & style to most of them.

Atomiswave looks pretty promising to me. as the only system other than neo i bother regularly playing is dreamcast, i feel the naomi/atomiswave/dreamcast are all sufficently powered to be a great platform for 2d fighters. while SFT:TS is on CPS3 it still uses a GD-ROM so i think they are related hardware wise. so if something can render/do the Street Fighter III series and Guilty Gear X, then it should be more than capable to work with neo games and possibly add some cool features (the only one i'd really care about would be nicer stereo sound).

ohh and i'm down to buy the atomiswave for other games but no way am i buying 2001 again. that's the real drawback i see, it may be a test for them... but how many people are gonna be interested in buying 2001 again (i would be slightly if there is no port of the new version planned)? not many i'd assume, unless the backgrounds are revolutionary. but... like that's gonna happen :rolleyes: .

*edit: has anyone heard anything or seen any write-ups of <a href="http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/pcbs/atomiswave_system/Demolish_Fist_Kit_3179.html" target="_blank">Demolish Fist</a> (the "3d" beat-em-up on atomiswave).

<small>[ July 10, 2003, 06:33 PM: Message edited by: xFinnPetersx ]</small>

JHendrix
07-10-2003, 05:27 PM
Fran:

JHendrix:
KOF2k3 on Atomiswave.... buttrock

If it's true, I will shed a tear of joy. no offense intended

but you are lame No offense (seriously), but I'd say the same thing to those who don't want to see a hardware upgrade.

BC_Gambit
07-10-2003, 05:40 PM
Basically, for those who don't want a hardware upgrade, imagine if this was Slug 5:

<a href="http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/pcbs/atomiswave_system/Dolphin_Blue_3333.html" target="_blank">http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/pcbs/atomiswave_system/Dolphin_Blue_3333.html</a>

mmm... drool worthy.

<small>[ July 10, 2003, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: BC_Gambit ]</small>

Fran
07-10-2003, 05:46 PM
i am sure we'd prolly get along and all if we met

BUT

to come here and pray for the mvs hardware to die

because you're a next-gen systems fanboy

and want a shitty fake 3d kof

well,thats something idiotic to say the very least

BC_Gambit
07-10-2003, 05:57 PM
But Fran, praying for the MVS hardware to die... is like praying for SNK to survive and make new games.

If you want SNK to survive, they'll have to go to a new hardware format at some point. I can't say I'll be happy to see the MVS to go, but at the same time new games will be exciting.

Look at RoTD... its a decent enough fighting game, but when I plugged it in I was surprised at how old the game looked even by MVS standards. It could have been released any time in the last 5-7 years, I would think.

New hardware excites me, I guess that's kind of a taboo for some, but that's okay. As long as the games keep coming, I'm happy.

Tenshokyaku
07-10-2003, 06:00 PM
I don't think it's that bad to wish for upgrades, but the chances of a 2D fighting game series making any type of decent move into the 3D arena is hopeless at best. The characters will never look right, and the play mechanics will never capture the spirit of the 2D games that came before. No 2D fighting franchise has ever succesfully made the jump to 3D. I personally believe that Playmore needs to keep their fighting game series 2D, even if they move to new systems, which as painful as it may be for some, is not very far away.

k'_127
07-10-2003, 06:24 PM
I'm confused now ...... magic-box says the KOF 2001 with 3D background is for PS2 and didn't mention anything about an arcade version ...... <a href="http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm" target="_blank">http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm</a>


Playmore announced that the PlayStation 2 port of The King of Fighter 2001 will have revised 3D backgrounds not found in the arcade MVS version. The game will be released in Japan on September 18, for 6800 yen.
also, notice that the PS2 version is in development for a long time and this might be the reason. I really hope that Playmore won't dump the MVS

MVS = 2D

Tridagger X
07-10-2003, 06:52 PM
xFinnPetersx:
*edit: has anyone heard anything or seen any write-ups of <a href="http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/pcbs/atomiswave_system/Demolish_Fist_Kit_3179.html" target="_blank">Demolish Fist</a> (the "3d" beat-em-up on atomiswave). there's a female character in Demolish Fist named Vanessa?
now i've seen everything.

xFinnPetersx
07-10-2003, 07:05 PM
Tridagger X:

xFinnPetersx:
*edit: has anyone heard anything or seen any write-ups of <a href="http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/pcbs/atomiswave_system/Demolish_Fist_Kit_3179.html" target="_blank">Demolish Fist</a> (the "3d" beat-em-up on atomiswave). there's a female character in Demolish Fist named Vanessa?
now i've seen everything. and/or you've seen enough to(/to want to) buy it.

... or not.

she has <a href="http://www.coinopexpress.com/screenshots/_7980.html" target="_blank">red hair</a> too. Undead looks alot (from that picture's angle) like cool from Daraku Tenshi. Enzo kinda looks like MR. Big without the coat/fur/fur coat. the other dude apparently has Jin(and/or kazuya)'s fire jacket on. obviously orignal ideas abound at sammy. but i'm sure it's a fine game (guess guess guess). somebody should figure out who developed it (rather than published). it may be sammy, but yeah...

kanjifreak
07-10-2003, 07:22 PM
I think that many people won't realize that an Epoch is almost done.

The guys that don't want a hardware upgrade are like the dude's back in the 60's talking shit about disco music...

Don't take me wrong, 3D sucks... but 2D on a more powerful system excels...

Evolution, dudes, just evolution...

eye eye

<small>[ July 10, 2003, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: kanjifreak ]</small>

kanjifreak
07-10-2003, 07:27 PM
crying

<small>[ July 10, 2003, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: kanjifreak ]</small>

kanjifreak
07-10-2003, 07:29 PM
it hurts, though...

crying

Orochi_Flava
07-10-2003, 07:39 PM
Kof on new arcade hardware...

Port over the fighting engine to the new hardware... rescan all the character art in high res and add a few frames if you are too lazy to redraw a sprite, get a good music composer and hopefully we can get a new kof that looks incredible and keeps it's magic feel.


As for the MVS... for a $400 cart, they can easily put in a new chip to improve graphics and effects. We also have 14 years of great games to look back on and still play for years to come.

LWK
07-10-2003, 07:48 PM
A 3D KOF is like replacing chip dip with gasoline.

The 2d on 3d bg's thing is a very bad move. SNK would not mess with a established series like that.

The lesson was learned when hyper bailed out.
When are they going to realize they do not have a mass audience anymore?, its extremely cult.
SNK will never find appeal with the mainstream crowd that outnumbers us all.

I sincerely hope this is bullshit. KOF is the type of series thats not meant for 3d.

I hated evo btw.

SNKJorge
07-10-2003, 08:10 PM
JHendrix:
KOF2k3 on Atomiswave.... buttrock

If it's true, I will shed a tear of joy. <a href="http://www.ign.com" target="_blank">http://www.ign.com</a>

IDIOT :rolleyes:

Devil_Gans
07-10-2003, 08:11 PM
They can do whatever they want to the BGs or the colors but I just hope that they don't change the gameplay and the timing of the combos like what they did to KOF 99: evo and KOF dream match 1999(KOF 98) on the DC.They don't feel the same unlike the arcade original.
I want the EXACT arcade gameplay and not some tweaked BS gone bad.

<small>[ July 10, 2003, 08:13 PM: Message edited by: Devil_Gans ]</small>

JHendrix
07-10-2003, 08:13 PM
I'd rather have a 2D fighter on next gen systems.

A 3D KOF scares me a little bit, but at least it'd be going somewhere else and things might be different for a change.

That and if it's done in 3D but plays like a 2D fighter (it can be done, this is an area where cell-shading would be appropriate), then if it's a good game I say go for it.

As for wanting the MVS to die, well I look at it this way. The poor thing is like a sick old dog that's gone through more surgery and treatment to survive past it's time. I'd rather be humane and put it out of its misery than to keep pushing the old thing out into the park and making it do tricks in order to re-live old times.

I think that the 3D KOF is just what Ben Herman called it: an experiment. He said that they know they have a 2D fanbase. If they move to the Atomiswave and make 2D games on it, it would be incredible.

Next Gen 2D has got me pumped with all the possibilites. And if they do it right, they can stay 2D and attract the mainstream again.

SNKJorge
07-10-2003, 08:19 PM
JHendrix:


As for wanting the MVS to die, well I look at it this way. The poor thing is like a sick old dog that's gone through more surgery and treatment to survive past it's time. I'd rather be humane and put it out of its misery than to keep pushing the old thing out into the park and making it do tricks in order to re-live old times.

Are you really being serious?
trolling?

eek_2

<small>[ July 10, 2003, 08:23 PM: Message edited by: xtoo_short20x ]</small>

Devil_Gans
07-10-2003, 08:21 PM
KOF 2001 needs a facelift anyway.I am all for it.
But the question is, would playmore do a good job of it?
I hope so.


EDit:
Releasing the game for the arcades seem ridiculous as that game is old.They should focus on KOF 2003 instead.I think that 2001' with 3d BGs is probably for the PS2.

<small>[ July 10, 2003, 08:34 PM: Message edited by: Devil_Gans ]</small>

Metal Fatigue
07-10-2003, 08:32 PM
3D backgrounds in a 2D game are horrid, i thought that was absolutely teh worst aspect of CVS2, blah.

xFinnPetersx
07-10-2003, 08:50 PM
NeoFight:
3D backgrounds in a 2D game are horrid, i thought that was absolutely teh worst aspect of CVS2, blah. a bad aspect among bad aspects though. cvs1's 3d backgrounds (correct me if i'm wrong and they were in fact not 3d.) looked amazing. cvs2 sucks in general, and i don't find it fun in any major way, but the backgrounds (except for boring in concept but beautiful in execution windmill stage) are definetely the worst part. cvs1's are great though, mainly the dojo (in construction) stage and the car crash stage.

i thought evo's backgrounds were kinda novel and neat to look at. the intros were awesome but the stages themselves were just slightly more than cool.

i'm sure the ps2 or arcade upgrade will be a cool experiment to see. but probably not the best path vs. the obvious one of getting a new background team.

<small>[ July 10, 2003, 08:53 PM: Message edited by: xFinnPetersx ]</small>

Fygee
07-10-2003, 11:33 PM
Those in the gaming world that don't progress and evolve die. Its just that simple, especially in today's world. As much as we all love the Neo-Geo and 2D gaming in general, if SNK Playmore doesn't, at the very least, move some of its 2D series to better hardware, they'll just crash and burn again. Its reality, no matter how much anyone hates it.

Remember when SNK was all about raising the bar with gameplay, graphics, and audio in the fighting genre? Now it seems like Sammy has taken that position, and SNK Playmore and its most hardcore fans are content in revelling in mediocrity. The Neo-Geo had a good run for 13 years. 13 YEARS!!! Most dogs don't even live that long! Its time to put her out to pasture, or at least lower production while giving some coverage on newer systems. If SNK Playmore doesn't, they're screwed. I for one would kill to see some high res KOF lovin', and maybe even a 3D KOF if they put the same amount of quality and effort they did in the two HNG64 Samurai Shodowns.

honeyman
07-11-2003, 12:04 AM
As humans, we all look out primarily for our own interests (it`s what keeps us alive) but some people are just greedy!

You can have love for the Neo Geo, but until you can hypnotise the masses to do your bidding then you have to consider that moving to upgraded hardware is the only way you can entice new gamers to play and make them join the regular Neo gamers :) .

If you`re happy to say "Neo forever!" even when it could go through it`s 2nd potential death then fine but I`m not that loyally blind (and I hope no-one else on this board is either wink !)

roker
07-11-2003, 12:09 AM
Here's what pisses me off about Guilty Gear, it's a decent game, but not worth the hype.

If anyone in their right mind played a souped up KOF, Fatal Fury, Samurai Shodown, or Last Blade (a la Atomiswave graphics and sound), that ratty ass poor excuse for a 2D fighter would get creamed and I think SNK Playmore would start to make some good money.

2D would be saved!

TheBigBB
07-11-2003, 12:56 AM
Fran:
i am sure we'd prolly get along and all if we met

BUT

to come here and pray for the mvs hardware to die

because you're a next-gen systems fanboy

and want a shitty fake 3d kof

well,thats something idiotic to say the very least Doesn't the gameplay matter more than anything?

honeyman
07-11-2003, 01:18 AM
the roker:
Here's what pisses me off about Guilty Gear, it's a decent game, but not worth the hype.

If anyone in their right mind played a souped up KOF, Fatal Fury, Samurai Shodown, or Last Blade (a la Atomiswave graphics and sound), that ratty ass poor excuse for a 2D fighter would get creamed and I think SNK Playmore would start to make some good money.

2D would be saved! The game`s okay but I`ll agree with you the roker as Guilty Gear XX has to many lengthy, unbreakable combos that you can`t do anything about and when a game becomes like that it loses it`s fun factor and you may as well not play. I appreciate that KOF still has the "You damage me a bit, then I get back up and let`s go at it again!" feel to it. No hugely lengthy combos thankfully (maybe :rolleyes: !)

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 01:21 AM: Message edited by: honeyman ]</small>

Nostromo
07-11-2003, 02:19 AM
I`m all for hi-res 2D games....

Is there any hi-res 2D game other than Guilty Gear? (And not just fighters).

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 05:04 AM: Message edited by: Nostromo ]</small>

Fran
07-11-2003, 05:55 AM
dmhawkmoon:

Fran:
i am sure we'd prolly get along and all if we met

BUT

to come here and pray for the mvs hardware to die

because you're a next-gen systems fanboy

and want a shitty fake 3d kof

well,thats something idiotic to say the very least Doesn't the gameplay matter more than anything? yuou see,
people like you just can not understand

you bought a neo in 2001 or 2002
with slug 4
and you adore slug 4

so you obviously have no love for the 16-bit wonder

hendrix

similar to you

discovered snk games in 1999 through emulation

to you,they're just games like all the others

to me,
the neo and its games are something that cant be replaced

no new hardware,no 3d bullshit,no high res sadness

if the neo must die,then so be it

kof and all the other series must die with it

it's that simple

i'm probably part of a minority,
weird considering this should be the place where NEO GEO FANS abound

but the world is full of fools

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 05:57 AM: Message edited by: Fran ]</small>

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 05:57 AM
Oh well, the never-ending debate... :rolleyes:

I think it's about time that SNK (or whatever they currently name themselves) moves to a modern hardware. This Atomiswave looks OK to me. I do agree they could make really nice looking 2D games. Yes, I would prefer they don't try to make 3D games. 2D games with 3D backgrounds are OK in my book, background are there just for aesthetic purposes anyway.

Just think of Capcom... They made a very good 2Darcade board, the CPS1. Some years later they improved it to the CPS2, more 2D goodness with improved graphics. After that, let's go to the CPS3. And when they wanted to do something different in "3D", they went all the way to Naomi.

Now let's just see SNK... They made a very good 2D system, the MVS... Then they make a 3D only one, the HNG 64 that is a failure... Then ... Well, you know... They are just releasing 3-4 games a year, nothing new at all (mostly KoFs, Metal Slugs and figting games...), that are bootlegged and the ROMZ released in no time... The arcade operators now don't care that much for the MVS.

It IS wise to move to a new hardware. Better graphics, no more memory restrictions, no bootlegs, no romz... They'll make more money, so we will see more games. And after that they can make perfects ports to DC, that's where the money is (and PS2 of course) in the home market, not the AES.

Yeah, Fran, start flaming me, but at least try to explain your point of view with more than 5 words, please... make_fac

Fran
07-11-2003, 05:59 AM
Amano Jacu:
Oh well, the never-ending debate... :rolleyes:

I think it's about time that SNK (or whatever they currently name themselves) moves to a modern hardware. This Atomiswave looks OK to me. I do agree they could make really nice looking 2D games. Yes, I would prefer they don't try to make 3D games. 2D games with 3D backgrounds are OK in my book, background are there just for aesthetic purposes anyway.

Just think of Capcom... They made a very good 2Darcade board, the CPS1. Some years later they improved it to the CPS2, more 2D goodness with improved graphics. After that, let's go to the CPS3. And when they wanted to do something different in "3D", they went all the way to Naomi.

Now let's just see SNK... They made a very good 2D system, the MVS... Then they make a 3D only one, the HNG 64 that is a failure... Then ... Well, you know... They are just releasing 3-4 games a year, nothing new at all (mostly KoFs, Metal Slugs and figting games...), that are bootlegged and the ROMZ released in no time... The arcade operators now don't care that much for the MVS.

It IS wise to move to a new hardware. Better graphics, no more memory restrictions, no bootlegs, no romz... They'll make more money, so we will see more games. And after that they can make perfects ports to DC, that's where the money is (and PS2 of course) in the home market, not the AES.

Yeah, Fran, start flaming me, but at least try to explain your point of view with more than 5 words, please... make_fac i know better ways to waste my time

Nostromo
07-11-2003, 06:17 AM
Maybe theres not any more money to be made in the arcade business after all... Look at Capcom, they quit arcades....and moved to release software for the Playstation 2, because that is where the money is after all. To be honest, 2D gaming has been reduced to Kofs, Metal Slugs and ummmm what else? If thats the future then its time to hara-kiri.

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 07:03 AM
Fran:

dmhawkmoon:

Fran:
i am sure we'd prolly get along and all if we met

BUT

to come here and pray for the mvs hardware to die

because you're a next-gen systems fanboy

and want a shitty fake 3d kof

well,thats something idiotic to say the very least Doesn't the gameplay matter more than anything? yuou see,
people like you just can not understand

you bought a neo in 2001 or 2002
with slug 4
and you adore slug 4

so you obviously have no love for the 16-bit wonder

hendrix

similar to you

discovered snk games in 1999 through emulation

to you,they're just games like all the others

to me,
the neo and its games are something that cant be replaced

no new hardware,no 3d bullshit,no high res sadness

if the neo must die,then so be it

kof and all the other series must die with it

it's that simple

i'm probably part of a minority,
weird considering this should be the place where NEO GEO FANS abound

but the world is full of fools Yes, you're right. They're just games to me, not a way of life or a symbol of an era. They're just really good videogames, most of them being timeless classics.

If they mean more to you than what they are then fine, whatever floats your boat.

But to say that you want to see KOF, SS, LB, AOF, FF, etc die with the Neo then I'm sorry, but that's just plain selfish.

By your logic SF should have died with what Hyper Fighting or whatever the last game was on the CPS1. Yet the best Street Fighter games came out on the CPS2.

I'm sorry but I'm a fan of good videogames, not a fan of big carts.

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 07:12 AM
Fran:

Yeah, Fran, start flaming me, but at least try to explain your point of view with more than 5 words, please... make_fac i know better ways to waste my time [/QB][/QUOTE]

Wow, I had the honor to receive 8 words! :cool:

Seriosuly Fran, if you want to commit suicide after the Neo is dead just because you can't live without it, then go ahead.

I'm glad you are part of a minority. But for the rest of us, we mortals think that life must go on.

kernow
07-11-2003, 07:13 AM
JHendrix:
Yet the best Street Fighter games came out on the CPS3.

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 07:16 AM
JHendrix:
Yet the best Street Fighter games came out on the CPS2.

Kernow:
Yet the best Street Fighter games came out on the CPS3.
Well, in my opinion the best SF games were the original SF2 ones for the CPS 1 :rolleyes:

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 07:22 AM: Message edited by: Amano Jacu ]</small>

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 07:20 AM
Fran:
yuou see,
people like you just can not understand

you bought a neo in 2001 or 2002
with slug 4
and you adore slug 4

so you obviously have no love for the 16-bit wonder

hendrix

similar to you

discovered snk games in 1999 through emulation

to you,they're just games like all the others

to me,
the neo and its games are something that cant be replaced

no new hardware,no 3d bullshit,no high res sadness

if the neo must die,then so be it

kof and all the other series must die with it

it's that simple

i'm probably part of a minority,
weird considering this should be the place where NEO GEO FANS abound

but the world is full of fools Sorry, you are the fool here. And a blind one to. So you LOVE the Neo and we "newbies" don't. Do you invite yor Neo to have dinner? Or do you fuck it? The TRUE Neo fan is not an elithist whore like you, but the one who really enjoys the games and want them to continue alive and available to the general public, not just to a bunch of AES collectors with more money than brains.

Fran
07-11-2003, 07:59 AM
amano,what a boring moron

yes,i fuck my neo
yes,i "go to dinner with it"

and hell yeah,i will commit suicide
pretty soon because there will be a 3d kof


and yes again,i'm a selfish collector with more money than brainz

you gotta hate people who just dont know what to say,
so they start to generalize and write daft things

amano,
you should focus on your inferiority complex first

then come back and post again

Fran
07-11-2003, 08:02 AM
JHendrix:

Fran:

dmhawkmoon:

Fran:
i am sure we'd prolly get along and all if we met

BUT

to come here and pray for the mvs hardware to die

because you're a next-gen systems fanboy

and want a shitty fake 3d kof

well,thats something idiotic to say the very least Doesn't the gameplay matter more than anything? yuou see,
people like you just can not understand

you bought a neo in 2001 or 2002
with slug 4
and you adore slug 4

so you obviously have no love for the 16-bit wonder

hendrix

similar to you

discovered snk games in 1999 through emulation

to you,they're just games like all the others

to me,
the neo and its games are something that cant be replaced

no new hardware,no 3d bullshit,no high res sadness

if the neo must die,then so be it

kof and all the other series must die with it

it's that simple

i'm probably part of a minority,
weird considering this should be the place where NEO GEO FANS abound

but the world is full of fools Yes, you're right. They're just games to me, not a way of life or a symbol of an era. They're just really good videogames, most of them being timeless classics.

If they mean more to you than what they are then fine, whatever floats your boat.

But to say that you want to see KOF, SS, LB, AOF, FF, etc die with the Neo then I'm sorry, but that's just plain selfish.

By your logic SF should have died with what Hyper Fighting or whatever the last game was on the CPS1. Yet the best Street Fighter games came out on the CPS2.

I'm sorry but I'm a fan of good videogames, not a fan of big carts. yeah yeah you're really smart

selfish?

its my fuckin opinion,thats all

ooh so jimi wants a shitty 3d kof because he's all for "progress"

fine,you're selfish then

how fucked up is that logic?

kernow
07-11-2003, 08:03 AM
it'll sadden me to see 3D franchises too, but I'll play them before mass slating begins.

a 3d fighter? ew no thanx Mr

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 08:11 AM
Nothing would make the "majority" happier than a RTS FPS 3D KoF built on a Q3 engine played off the lastest invidia graphixz card on your Pentium6 with a t3 connection to play from your bean bag chair in Jersey against a stranger in Burkina Faso.

FAP. FAP. FAP.

Shito
07-11-2003, 08:14 AM
Fran:


the neo and its games are something that cant be replaced

no new hardware,no 3d bullshit,no high res sadness

if the neo must die,then so be it

kof and all the other series must die with it

it's that simple

i'm probably part of a minority,
weird considering this should be the place where NEO GEO FANS abound

but the world is full of fools 110% agreed

period

Ilovejapangirls
07-11-2003, 08:16 AM
I think a GREAT thing about MVS / AES is that you don't need shitty ports to play your games


you simply buy (example) KOF98...it's the same MVS KOF98

no stupid menus,extras and all...

if the new hardware that comes out is like the CPS3 and has a home counterpart(sorry for bad english)like MVS/AES


then it's ok to me...as long as there are NO 3D backgrounds,NO high resolution and NO cd(or gd,whatever:D) based games(even if the loading is not annoying)

YuSuKe
07-11-2003, 08:24 AM
I see blind SNK fanboys being denial about their favorite games moving to new hardware. That also justify they don't want to play KOF on Xboxlive. :rolleyes:

Ok, we can continue getting our asses owned by someone pick Cammy, Sagat, and Blanka. Team crouch fierce!
lol

I'm not blind you know and the whole KOF2k1 with 3D backgrounds is for the PS2 version I think. KOF2k1 on atomicwave is something to dream about. :D

Fran, your opinions get annoying. These are great franchises that don't deserve to be humiliated by eye candy like Marvel vs Capcom 2. You wish those beloved SNK titles shall die with the MVS?! What planet are you from?! eek!

*Goes back to playing CvS 2 EO on Xboxlive*

Fran
07-11-2003, 08:28 AM
YuSuKe:
I see blind SNK fanboys being denial about their favorite games moving to new hardware. That also justify they don't want to play KOF on Xboxlive. :rolleyes:

Ok, we can continue getting our asses owned by someone pick Cammy, Sagat, and Blanka. Team crouch fierce!
lol

I'm not blind you know and the whole KOF2k1 with 3D backgrounds is for the PS2 version I think. KOF2k1 on atomicwave is something to dream about. :D

Fran, your opinions get annoying. These are great franchises that don't deserve to be humiliated by eye candy like Marvel vs Capcom 2. You wish those beloved SNK titles shall die with the MVS?! What planet are you from?! eek!

*Goes back to playing CvS 2 EO on Xboxlive* cvs 2 is such a mediocre game i can only feel sorry for you

and i am not even touching the rest of your post

i don't like crap

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 08:29 AM
YuSuKe:
These are great franchises that don't deserve to be humiliated by eye candy like Marvel vs Capcom 2. You wish those beloved SNK titles shall die with the MVS?! What planet are you from?! eek!
Earth. Now the question that begs to be asked - what planet are YOU from, and how many nukes will it take you send your planet back into oblivion?

YuSuKe
07-11-2003, 08:30 AM
Fran:

YuSuKe:
I see blind SNK fanboys being denial about their favorite games moving to new hardware. That also justify they don't want to play KOF on Xboxlive. :rolleyes:

Ok, we can continue getting our asses owned by someone pick Cammy, Sagat, and Blanka. Team crouch fierce!
lol

I'm not blind you know and the whole KOF2k1 with 3D backgrounds is for the PS2 version I think. KOF2k1 on atomicwave is something to dream about. :D

Fran, your opinions get annoying. These are great franchises that don't deserve to be humiliated by eye candy like Marvel vs Capcom 2. You wish those beloved SNK titles shall die with the MVS?! What planet are you from?! eek!

*Goes back to playing CvS 2 EO on Xboxlive* cvs 2 is such a mediocre game i can only feel sorry for you

and i am not even touching the rest of your post

i don't like crap So be it, scrub.... annoyed

Rade K
07-11-2003, 08:32 AM
Look, Im a fan of the 68000. Im always back and forth on this, but games like AOF3, Metal Slug, etc...are games that prove that so much is possible on the Neo given the right people making games for it. The limits are bounded only by the quality of the game makers.

3D graphics are nice...but they are everywhere and only a few companies can make them really cool. SNK Playmore whatever have a chance at re-establishing themselves at 2D and so far it is pretty bleak. I'd like to see them produce more on the MVS, but people who only want the 3D and high rez might ruin it.

Whats wrong with KOF ISNT that it is still 2d low rez, its the poepl who make it are being lazy.

We need gameply reform with SNK properies, not fancy new hardware that will solve no real problems and only create more (distribution of new hardware to a MVS saturated world).

Anyways, JH, you need to understand that the best SF2 games were on the CPS1 and 2. CPS3 Street Fighters a are very nice, but they pale in comparrison.

Rade K
07-11-2003, 08:36 AM
God, I used to like CVS2 for the first month. I REALLY liked it. BUt once you play a lot of it, you start to see the loose seams. It's a fucking disgrace.

ANd Playing it online is even worse. People just pressing one button...not really playing, just using annoying patters because they can. Capcom let them.

IN short, CVS2 (contrary to my Ng.com "just got this game yesterday" review) is just bad and its bad for you.

Fran
07-11-2003, 08:37 AM
Rade Kuruc:
Look, Im a fan of the 68000. Im always back and forth on this, but games like AOF3, Metal Slug, etc...are games that prove that so much is possible on the Neo given the right people making games for it. The limits are bounded only by the quality of the game makers.

3D graphics are nice...but they are everywhere and only a few companies can make them really cool. SNK Playmore whatever have a chance at re-establishing themselves at 2D and so far it is pretty bleak. I'd like to see them produce more on the MVS, but people who only want the 3D and high rez might ruin it.

Whats wrong with KOF ISNT that it is still 2d low rez, its the poepl who make it are being lazy.

We need gameply reform with SNK properies, not fancy new hardware that will solve no real problems and only create more (distribution of new hardware to a MVS saturated world).

Anyways, JH, you need to understand that the best SF2 games were on the CPS1 and 2. CPS3 Street Fighters a are very nice, but they pale in comparrison. for once,i agree with you

too bad them idiots wont understand

they think that playmore making a 3d kof would solve everything

of course,
they cant even make a DECENT 2d kof by taking bits from all the previous kofs

and you want them to create something as good as SC2?

and then they mentions planets and astral planes

how surreal

best sf? see my sig...and then zero 3

Fran
07-11-2003, 08:39 AM
and oh,btw

i'm a scrub


?!?

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 08:43 AM
YuSuKe:

Fran:

YuSuKe:
I see blind SNK fanboys being denial about their favorite games moving to new hardware. That also justify they don't want to play KOF on Xboxlive. :rolleyes:

Ok, we can continue getting our asses owned by someone pick Cammy, Sagat, and Blanka. Team crouch fierce!
lol

I'm not blind you know and the whole KOF2k1 with 3D backgrounds is for the PS2 version I think. KOF2k1 on atomicwave is something to dream about. :D

Fran, your opinions get annoying. These are great franchises that don't deserve to be humiliated by eye candy like Marvel vs Capcom 2. You wish those beloved SNK titles shall die with the MVS?! What planet are you from?! eek!

*Goes back to playing CvS 2 EO on Xboxlive* cvs 2 is such a mediocre game i can only feel sorry for you

and i am not even touching the rest of your post

i don't like crap So be it, scrub.... annoyed Ohh..... diss...
Haha Fran, he called you a scrub.

But don't take it too hard; he plays CvS 2 on his XBox. That's like having AIDS and genital warts simultaneously.

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 08:44 AM
Fran:
yeah yeah you're really smart

selfish?

its my fuckin opinion,thats all

ooh so jimi wants a shitty 3d kof because he's all for "progress"

fine,you're selfish then

how fucked up is that logic? No what's selfish is admittedly being part of a small minority that defines itself as wanting new games in KOF/FF/SS/LB/etc to be made for the Neo, just because "they love the Neo" or because "it's special to them" or whatever else.

You disreguard the fact that it costs them more money to make a Neo game than it would an Atomiswave game. It's harder to make a Neo game than one on the Atomiswave (or any new hardware for that matter). You also disreguard the fact that Playmore would be much more successful on new hardware and selling the ports on PS2. It also makes no difference that SNK might become a household name again if they do things right.

No, none of that matters. Just so long as you can get new Neo carts of the staple SNK games. And if they want to move forward, then damn the rest of the gaming world because you don't want to see them make the jump to modern graphics.

I got news for you bucko, the rest of the world does. Even in the Neo community you are a minority. Here I'd say you have about 60% of people saying "stay with Neo hardware". Meanwhile if you go to other sites where there are more gamers than collectors, like ON, SRK, KOFOnline, etc. And you asked them what they'd like to see SNK do, they'd tell you that Atomiswave/PS2 is the way to go.

What you want is not what the majority of the people who play Neo-Geo games want, and like most groups around the world, majority rules.

BTW, New hardware doesn't automatically mean 3D KOF. They know we (as in the majority of Neo fans) want 2D games, and they will deliver.

The Future is Now.

Overkill Geyser
07-11-2003, 08:45 AM
Rade Kuruc:
God, I used to like CVS2 for the first month. I REALLY liked it. BUt once you play a lot of it, you start to see the loose seams. It's a fucking disgrace.

ANd Playing it online is even worse. People just pressing one button...not really playing, just using annoying patters because they can. Capcom let them. OH MY LORD!! Last night was my first time EVER playing it online. Now, not to mention the fact that I hate the X Box controller with the utmost passion, the game just didn't even feel right! I'm gonna bow my head and say a silent prayer for the video game industry... When will someone get it right??

Fran
07-11-2003, 08:53 AM
okay :rolleyes:

i'm selfish and all the expert neo geo conoisseurs from shoryuken com or orochinagi arent

you have your opinion

i have mine

you can agree,you can disagree

i still cant get why i'm being called selfish but alright

anyway
naomi is pretty dead
and this atomiswave thing will be soon

if they really have to change hardware

i see no other solution

MVS 2
compatible with the older mvs carts,of course

so at least they will sell 4000 of those new units

thats the only compromise i can think of


"if you are in a minority of one,
the truth is still the truth"


peace

fran

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 08:57 AM: Message edited by: Fran ]</small>

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 08:55 AM
JHendrix:


You disreguard the fact that it costs them more money to make a Neo game than it would an Atomiswave game. It's harder to make a Neo game than one on the Atomiswave (or any new hardware for that matter). You also disreguard the fact that Playmore would be much more successful on new hardware and selling the ports on PS2. It also makes no difference that SNK might become a household name again if they do things right.
Those aren't facts. They're just what you want to believe.

FACT: SNK did not perform well making fighting games on non MVS-centric hardware (meaning MVS and its fraternal twin, the home system).

Examples:
Warriors Rage 2
Any port of a fighting game.
the hyper games

None of those were as good as the offerings on MVS, and to say otherwise on the ports issue is a severe breach of judgement or display of nearsightedness.

Would it be cheaper to make a game on the Atomiswave hardware? No. They'd have to learn how to use the framework. This takes time. Time is money, and in the end, who even cares about the Atomiswave? It's a Dreamcast with no clout. Why not tote moving to something more updated, like the Triforce, or whatever piece of crap Namco is preparing?

Would Playmore be more successful by making games that JHendrix wants to see? This isn't a fact, it's a possibility. And the likelyhood of you being right here is not that great.

Just because Raphael could draw and paint like the Rennaisance master he was, didn't mean he could sculpt like Michaelangelo, and vice versa. You have a medium and to expect you to perform at a high level in any other medium is puerile. Puerile is a good term to describe most of you dorks.

What about GGXX you desperately want to ask?

I want nothing to do with that cockring of a CD you wear on your gerkin, which has made you so hard for high res crap.

Average Joe
07-11-2003, 09:00 AM
JHendrix
BTW, New hardware doesn't automatically mean 3D KOF. They know we (as in the majority of Neo fans) want 2D games, and they will deliver.I bet that same quote was made when the Hyper was announced.

edit: Just so no one bites my head off, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, but I found that quote oddly similar to past events.

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 09:04 AM: Message edited by: Average Joe ]</small>

Rade K
07-11-2003, 09:08 AM
GGXX...no one really cares about this game. It plays like shit. I own it and gave it a shake, I know.

Oh, people say they like it, but that is because it's high rez and whatnot. Bullshit.

I've played this game alone, in pairs, and at the arcades (GGX) and I can tell you it doesnt weather the test of time well. It's just a bad game using it's high resolution to sell some kits and discs. Its a lie!

There are much better fighters to play and I get the impression that people have to force themselves to play this one because a lot of other people are as well. So, it is now cool to like GGXX I guess. If that made sense. GG would merely be a footnote in fighters history (heh) if it were not for the high res. The fan boys like Kyle here play it ( <a href="http://www.cosplay.com/featured/photo.php?photo=670&exhibition=4" target="_blank">GGXX fanboy</a> ) because they like the way it looks.

I'd hat to see KOF go this route because it would ruin the game I beleive. It would capture all these fans that are satisfied by the visuals and the team would have no need to make the game play better. Hell, they would probably make the game play like Kof94 (not a bad thing, but still old) and make it look nice and the majority of graphics ners wouldnt care. And also, just because it is high rez, does not make the graphics awesome. It's just more aweful shit to look at (ggXX, again).

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 09:11 AM
Rade Kuruc:
(HUGS) old chap!

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 09:12 AM
EvilWasabi:

YuSuKe:

Fran:

YuSuKe:
I see blind SNK fanboys being denial about their favorite games moving to new hardware. That also justify they don't want to play KOF on Xboxlive. :rolleyes:

Ok, we can continue getting our asses owned by someone pick Cammy, Sagat, and Blanka. Team crouch fierce!
lol

I'm not blind you know and the whole KOF2k1 with 3D backgrounds is for the PS2 version I think. KOF2k1 on atomicwave is something to dream about. :D

Fran, your opinions get annoying. These are great franchises that don't deserve to be humiliated by eye candy like Marvel vs Capcom 2. You wish those beloved SNK titles shall die with the MVS?! What planet are you from?! eek!

*Goes back to playing CvS 2 EO on Xboxlive* cvs 2 is such a mediocre game i can only feel sorry for you

and i am not even touching the rest of your post

i don't like crap So be it, scrub.... annoyed Ohh..... diss...
Haha Fran, he called you a scrub.

But don't take it too hard; he plays CvS 2 on his XBox. That's like having AIDS and genital warts simultaneously. Well according to your posts you

1.) Don't have an XBox
2.) Don't even have an internet connection at your house
3.) Hardly ever played CvS2
4.) Controllers don't matter cause you can always buy a 3rd party joystick.

So how in the bloody hell would you even know what playing CvS2 on Live is like?

What's funny is how so many other people here and other forums play the game online all the time.

And please don't bitch about Blanka/Sagat/Bison. According to Fran the best fighters have top tiers.

BC_Gambit
07-11-2003, 09:14 AM
GGXX is a fun game to beat around with, but I find it more exciting that this is what the future of 2d gaming looks like. GGXX looks like no other 2d game I can think of (the SF3 games come close, but lack the visual flair).

And that future won't be happening on the MVS (I hope anyways). Heck, atomiswave would not only be a neat way for playmore to go, it would make DC conversions even easier (I imagine), for those who like to buy their releases for a dead system :) .

Once again, look at the screenshots for Dolphin Blue, and tell me you aren't at least a bit curious as to how well the game plays?

Crovax
07-11-2003, 09:16 AM
I know and acknowledge that this is NEO-GEO.com and not SNK-Playmore.com, so people here will always support the NEO itself rather than SNK Playmore. That being said, this post is NOT supposed to be designed as a persuasive treatise to get anybody to change that viewpoint. I personally have been a fan of SNK ever since I first saw Samurai Shodown in the arcade. to me, it has always been about them, and their games. The MVS and NGH, while also their creations, to me were just the hardware their games were running on. That's why I really want to see SNK Playmore survive, even if it means moving to newer hardware, and whay i find it so disheartening to hear people saying they'd rather see the end of SNK's franchises than for them to move to new hardware. I actually loved 99 Evolution, so I have high hopes for this version of 2k1.

I'm in the camp that believes that SNK Playmore needs to move on to new hardware, if nothing else for the sake of its own survival as a company. I would have thought that the whole Aruze, bankruptcy, restructuring scare would have been enough to make people realize just what kind of thin ice SNK Playmore is treading on right now. IMO, they need not become wholly mainstream, but they do need to become more eye-catching at the very least. SNK was always able to reach out and catch people's attention, if even just for a little while because of how detailed and beautiful both the game artwork, and in-game graphics were. however, now it seems that even a large majority of older gamers seem to see how dated the graphics on Neo games look and simply move on. That's bad for business any way you look at it. the eyecatch is the essential first step to getting people curious enough to play a game in the arcade, or to buy it for a home system. they were able to achieve such a level of detail on hardware that is now 13 years old, I just imagine what they might be able to do with a greater amount of grapical tools at their disposal (and physical memory for that matter).

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 09:20 AM
JHendrix:

EvilWasabi:

YuSuKe:

Fran:

YuSuKe:
I see blind SNK fanboys being denial about their favorite games moving to new hardware. That also justify they don't want to play KOF on Xboxlive. :rolleyes:

Ok, we can continue getting our asses owned by someone pick Cammy, Sagat, and Blanka. Team crouch fierce!
lol

I'm not blind you know and the whole KOF2k1 with 3D backgrounds is for the PS2 version I think. KOF2k1 on atomicwave is something to dream about. :D

Fran, your opinions get annoying. These are great franchises that don't deserve to be humiliated by eye candy like Marvel vs Capcom 2. You wish those beloved SNK titles shall die with the MVS?! What planet are you from?! eek!

*Goes back to playing CvS 2 EO on Xboxlive* cvs 2 is such a mediocre game i can only feel sorry for you

and i am not even touching the rest of your post

i don't like crap So be it, scrub.... annoyed Ohh..... diss...
Haha Fran, he called you a scrub.

But don't take it too hard; he plays CvS 2 on his XBox. That's like having AIDS and genital warts simultaneously. Well according to your posts you

1.) Don't have an XBox
2.) Don't even have an internet connection at your house
3.) Hardly ever played CvS2
4.) Controllers don't matter cause you can always buy a 3rd party joystick.

So how in the bloody hell would you even know what playing CvS2 on Live is like?

What's funny is how so many other people here and other forums play the game online all the time.

And please don't bitch about Blanka/Sagat/Bison. According to Fran the best fighters have top tiers. I played CvS2 the day it came out at Sunnyvale Golfland, and bought the Dreamcast version. No need for live support on that end, because when it came out, there were enough MvC2 skilled people to play against at school.

So basically:

1. you have no facts.

2. I know what I'm talking about.

3. Thus I am right.

4. Fran is right.

5. And you are still average on too many levels.

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 09:24 AM
EvilWasabi:

JHendrix:


You disreguard the fact that it costs them more money to make a Neo game than it would an Atomiswave game. It's harder to make a Neo game than one on the Atomiswave (or any new hardware for that matter). You also disreguard the fact that Playmore would be much more successful on new hardware and selling the ports on PS2. It also makes no difference that SNK might become a household name again if they do things right.
Those aren't facts. They're just what you want to believe.

FACT: SNK did not perform well making fighting games on non MVS-centric hardware (meaning MVS and its fraternal twin, the home system).

Examples:
Warriors Rage 2
Any port of a fighting game.
the hyper games

None of those were as good as the offerings on MVS, and to say otherwise on the ports issue is a severe breach of judgement or display of nearsightedness.

Would it be cheaper to make a game on the Atomiswave hardware? No. They'd have to learn how to use the framework. This takes time. Time is money, and in the end, who even cares about the Atomiswave? It's a Dreamcast with no clout. Why not tote moving to something more updated, like the Triforce, or whatever piece of crap Namco is preparing?

Would Playmore be more successful by making games that JHendrix wants to see? This isn't a fact, it's a possibility. And the likelyhood of you being right here is not that great.

Just because Raphael could draw and paint like the Rennaisance master he was, didn't mean he could sculpt like Michaelangelo, and vice versa. You have a medium and to expect you to perform at a high level in any other medium is puerile. Puerile is a good term to describe most of you dorks.

What about GGXX you desperately want to ask?

I want nothing to do with that cockring of a CD you wear on your gerkin, which has made you so hard for high res crap. FACT: To make games on the Neo it requires a lot of intensive 68000 Assembly Programming.

FACT: In this day and age, very talented 68k programmers are hard to find, and even more expensive to procure.

FACT: Most of the coders from the glory days of the 16bit era (where hardcore Assembly coding was required) have moved on to the next generation of hardware where they are thanking God in heaven that they don't have to use Assembly anymore.

FACT: Coding something in Assembly takes much much longer to develop (and we know that time = money, you have to pay those programmers) than it does to develop something in say Ansi C or C++.

FACT: Fighting Game engine logic (not the graphics engine, the gameplay engine) is simple and straight forward. The same rules of gameplay can be put on any system with ease. To say that they can't make good games on other systems is a cop out.

What's especially funny is how you talked about wanting to put the SS series on new hardware because "the Neo couldn't handle it".

You've also talked about how fun/great the HNG64 SS games were. SNK/Playmore can make good fighting games on other platforms.

And honestly I don't care if you don't like GGX2 or not graphically. You think KOF98 looks better? Why don't we go out and see what the majority of gamers think about that opinion?

Fran
07-11-2003, 09:27 AM
the so called "majority" of people out there

-listen to shit music

-buy shit video games

-they are a bunch of morons


so just because we are out-numbered,
we are automatically "wrong"?


heh

no

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 09:28 AM
EvilWasabi:

JHendrix:

EvilWasabi:

YuSuKe:

Fran:

YuSuKe:
I see blind SNK fanboys being denial about their favorite games moving to new hardware. That also justify they don't want to play KOF on Xboxlive. :rolleyes:

Ok, we can continue getting our asses owned by someone pick Cammy, Sagat, and Blanka. Team crouch fierce!
lol

I'm not blind you know and the whole KOF2k1 with 3D backgrounds is for the PS2 version I think. KOF2k1 on atomicwave is something to dream about. :D

Fran, your opinions get annoying. These are great franchises that don't deserve to be humiliated by eye candy like Marvel vs Capcom 2. You wish those beloved SNK titles shall die with the MVS?! What planet are you from?! eek!

*Goes back to playing CvS 2 EO on Xboxlive* cvs 2 is such a mediocre game i can only feel sorry for you

and i am not even touching the rest of your post

i don't like crap So be it, scrub.... annoyed Ohh..... diss...
Haha Fran, he called you a scrub.

But don't take it too hard; he plays CvS 2 on his XBox. That's like having AIDS and genital warts simultaneously. Well according to your posts you

1.) Don't have an XBox
2.) Don't even have an internet connection at your house
3.) Hardly ever played CvS2
4.) Controllers don't matter cause you can always buy a 3rd party joystick.

So how in the bloody hell would you even know what playing CvS2 on Live is like?

What's funny is how so many other people here and other forums play the game online all the time.

And please don't bitch about Blanka/Sagat/Bison. According to Fran the best fighters have top tiers. I played CvS2 the day it came out at Sunnyvale Golfland, and bought the Dreamcast version. No need for live support on that end, because when it came out, there were enough MvC2 skilled people to play against at school.

So basically:

1. you have no facts.

2. I know what I'm talking about.

3. Thus I am right.

4. Fran is right.

5. And you are still average on too many levels. 1.) Just because you played it on the day it came out doesn't mean you've played it extensively.

2.) You've posted many times about how you've hardly played the game.

3.) You still have no idea what CvS2 plays like on XBox Live and thus have no real right to comment on it compared to the legions of fans who do.

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 09:29 AM
Fran:
the so called "majority" of people out there

-listen to shit music

-buy shit video games

-they are a bunch of morons


so just because we are out-numbered,
we are automatically "wrong"?


heh

no So everyone is an idiot, except you.

Oh yeah that'll fly real far in the real world... :rolleyes:

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 09:30 AM
JHendrix:

EvilWasabi:

JHendrix:


You disreguard the fact that it costs them more money to make a Neo game than it would an Atomiswave game. It's harder to make a Neo game than one on the Atomiswave (or any new hardware for that matter). You also disreguard the fact that Playmore would be much more successful on new hardware and selling the ports on PS2. It also makes no difference that SNK might become a household name again if they do things right.
Those aren't facts. They're just what you want to believe.

FACT: SNK did not perform well making fighting games on non MVS-centric hardware (meaning MVS and its fraternal twin, the home system).

Examples:
Warriors Rage 2
Any port of a fighting game.
the hyper games

None of those were as good as the offerings on MVS, and to say otherwise on the ports issue is a severe breach of judgement or display of nearsightedness.

Would it be cheaper to make a game on the Atomiswave hardware? No. They'd have to learn how to use the framework. This takes time. Time is money, and in the end, who even cares about the Atomiswave? It's a Dreamcast with no clout. Why not tote moving to something more updated, like the Triforce, or whatever piece of crap Namco is preparing?

Would Playmore be more successful by making games that JHendrix wants to see? This isn't a fact, it's a possibility. And the likelyhood of you being right here is not that great.

Just because Raphael could draw and paint like the Rennaisance master he was, didn't mean he could sculpt like Michaelangelo, and vice versa. You have a medium and to expect you to perform at a high level in any other medium is puerile. Puerile is a good term to describe most of you dorks.

What about GGXX you desperately want to ask?

I want nothing to do with that cockring of a CD you wear on your gerkin, which has made you so hard for high res crap. FACT: To make games on the Neo it requires a lot of intensive 68000 Assembly Programming.

FACT: In this day and age, very talented 68k programmers are hard to find, and even more expensive to procure.

FACT: Most of the coders from the glory days of the 16bit era (where hardcore Assembly coding was required) have moved on to the next generation of hardware where they are thanking God in heaven that they don't have to use Assembly anymore.

FACT: Coding something in Assembly takes much much longer to develop (and we know that time = money, you have to pay those programmers) than it does to develop something in say Ansi C or C++.

FACT: Fighting Game engine logic (not the graphics engine, the gameplay engine) is simple and straight forward. The same rules of gameplay can be put on any system with ease. To say that they can't make good games on other systems is a cop out.

What's especially funny is how you talked about wanting to put the SS series on new hardware because "the Neo couldn't handle it".

You've also talked about how fun/great the HNG64 SS games were. SNK/Playmore can make good fighting games on other platforms.

And honestly I don't care if you don't like GGX2 or not graphically. You think KOF98 looks better? Why don't we go out and see what the majority of gamers think about that opinion? The SS hyper games were fun, but compare them to Soul Calibur and you see that SNK couldn't really compete on a 3D level.

As for code, sure, write from scratch, or reuse old code.

As for the majority of gamers, consider if you can, that the average intelligence (where you fall) of people in general is not that high. The average person buys furniture at IKEA.

The average person buys clothes at the mall from GAP, Structure, or whatever.

The average person drinks Coca Cola or Pepsi, ignorant that the carbonation swells their gut.

And the average person IS the majority.

So go ahead, ask the majority, and you'll get the response of the average person. Or ask yourself, you're average enough as it is.

Fran
07-11-2003, 09:31 AM
JHendrix:

Fran:
the so called "majority" of people out there

-listen to shit music

-buy shit video games

-they are a bunch of morons


so just because we are out-numbered,
we are automatically "wrong"?


heh

no So everyone is an idiot, except you.
: i did not say that,did i?

come on,jimi

Rade K
07-11-2003, 09:35 AM
JHendrix:

And honestly I don't care if you don't like GGX2 or not graphically. You think KOF98 looks better? Why don't we go out and see what the majority of gamers think about that opinion? Woah. Do you think GGXX looks better? I really need to know. If you ask all of those people whats looks better, yeah, they would probably say GGXX, just because of the graphics are high rez.

Compaired to KOf98, GGXX has poor art (the anime art is not art, its duplication of a tired style), poor animation (face it, its bad), and the backgrounds are uninspired. I think the kof 98 backgrounds are wonderful, most others dont for some reason.

Just based off looks (if we stripped away the fact that GGX is Highrez) kof 98 is vastly superior. It's wonder may be too subtle for the general public to understand.

Now, the general public made movies like Titanic and games like GTA vice city blockbusters and champions, so as you can guess, I dont care for the general public's opinion much.

Rade K
07-11-2003, 09:36 AM
JHendrix:

EvilWasabi:

JHendrix:

EvilWasabi:

YuSuKe:

Fran:

YuSuKe:
I see blind SNK fanboys being denial about their favorite games moving to new hardware. That also justify they don't want to play KOF on Xboxlive. :rolleyes:

Ok, we can continue getting our asses owned by someone pick Cammy, Sagat, and Blanka. Team crouch fierce!
lol

I'm not blind you know and the whole KOF2k1 with 3D backgrounds is for the PS2 version I think. KOF2k1 on atomicwave is something to dream about. :D

Fran, your opinions get annoying. These are great franchises that don't deserve to be humiliated by eye candy like Marvel vs Capcom 2. You wish those beloved SNK titles shall die with the MVS?! What planet are you from?! eek!

*Goes back to playing CvS 2 EO on Xboxlive* cvs 2 is such a mediocre game i can only feel sorry for you

and i am not even touching the rest of your post

i don't like crap So be it, scrub.... annoyed Ohh..... diss...
Haha Fran, he called you a scrub.

But don't take it too hard; he plays CvS 2 on his XBox. That's like having AIDS and genital warts simultaneously. Well according to your posts you

1.) Don't have an XBox
2.) Don't even have an internet connection at your house
3.) Hardly ever played CvS2
4.) Controllers don't matter cause you can always buy a 3rd party joystick.

So how in the bloody hell would you even know what playing CvS2 on Live is like?

What's funny is how so many other people here and other forums play the game online all the time.

And please don't bitch about Blanka/Sagat/Bison. According to Fran the best fighters have top tiers. I played CvS2 the day it came out at Sunnyvale Golfland, and bought the Dreamcast version. No need for live support on that end, because when it came out, there were enough MvC2 skilled people to play against at school.

So basically:

1. you have no facts.

2. I know what I'm talking about.

3. Thus I am right.

4. Fran is right.

5. And you are still average on too many levels. 1.) Just because you played it on the day it came out doesn't mean you've played it extensively.

2.) You've posted many times about how you've hardly played the game.

3.) You still have no idea what CvS2 plays like on XBox Live and thus have no real right to comment on it compared to the legions of fans who do. I've played a legion of hours and people on CVS Live and CVS at the arcade. It's a proven dud in my opinion. The game has no longevity. It's a VS Capcom game, it was made for a quick buck!

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 09:37 AM
JHendrix:

EvilWasabi:

JHendrix:

EvilWasabi:

YuSuKe:

Fran:

YuSuKe:
I see blind SNK fanboys being denial about their favorite games moving to new hardware. That also justify they don't want to play KOF on Xboxlive. :rolleyes:

Ok, we can continue getting our asses owned by someone pick Cammy, Sagat, and Blanka. Team crouch fierce!
lol

I'm not blind you know and the whole KOF2k1 with 3D backgrounds is for the PS2 version I think. KOF2k1 on atomicwave is something to dream about. :D

Fran, your opinions get annoying. These are great franchises that don't deserve to be humiliated by eye candy like Marvel vs Capcom 2. You wish those beloved SNK titles shall die with the MVS?! What planet are you from?! eek!

*Goes back to playing CvS 2 EO on Xboxlive* cvs 2 is such a mediocre game i can only feel sorry for you

and i am not even touching the rest of your post

i don't like crap So be it, scrub.... annoyed Ohh..... diss...
Haha Fran, he called you a scrub.

But don't take it too hard; he plays CvS 2 on his XBox. That's like having AIDS and genital warts simultaneously. Well according to your posts you

1.) Don't have an XBox
2.) Don't even have an internet connection at your house
3.) Hardly ever played CvS2
4.) Controllers don't matter cause you can always buy a 3rd party joystick.

So how in the bloody hell would you even know what playing CvS2 on Live is like?

What's funny is how so many other people here and other forums play the game online all the time.

And please don't bitch about Blanka/Sagat/Bison. According to Fran the best fighters have top tiers. I played CvS2 the day it came out at Sunnyvale Golfland, and bought the Dreamcast version. No need for live support on that end, because when it came out, there were enough MvC2 skilled people to play against at school.

So basically:

1. you have no facts.

2. I know what I'm talking about.

3. Thus I am right.

4. Fran is right.

5. And you are still average on too many levels. 1.) Just because you played it on the day it came out doesn't mean you've played it extensively.

2.) You've posted many times about how you've hardly played the game.

3.) You still have no idea what CvS2 plays like on XBox Live and thus have no real right to comment on it compared to the legions of fans who do. What? the Xbox CvS2 plays different from the arcade version?

What? I didn't get everything out of such a shallow game after playing through every character except the ugly and stupid ones (Eagle, Maki, M. Bison, Yuri etc), hours of 2 player competition, as well as exploring what little there was in single player?

Come on. Pull the twinkie out of your ears; it's blocking the voice of reason from your happy meal size brain.

I'm not saying it's bad for people with average taste to exist. Just admit you have average taste.

It's like the whole emulation thing. You can do it. Fine fine fine. But don't argue that it's not stealing or that it's "right." Just makes you look stupid.

beelzebubble
07-11-2003, 09:37 AM
I'm in the camp that believes that SNK Playmore needs to move on to new hardware, if nothing else for the sake of its own survival as a company. I would have thought that the whole Aruze, bankruptcy, restructuring scare would have been enough to make people realize just what kind of thin ice SNK Playmore is treading on right now. IMO, they need not become wholly mainstream, but they do need to become more eye-catching at the very least. SNK was always able to reach out and catch people's attention, if even just for a little while because of how detailed and beautiful both the game artwork, and in-game graphics were. however, now it seems that even a large majority of older gamers seem to see how dated the graphics on Neo games look and simply move on. That's bad for business any way you look at it. the eyecatch is the essential first step to getting people curious enough to play a game in the arcade, or to buy it for a home system. they were able to achieve such a level of detail on hardware that is now 13 years old, I just imagine what they might be able to do with a greater amount of grapical tools at their disposal (and physical memory for that matter). im not trying to join into this argument but this post seems a little off... the type of ppl who go into arcades and spend lots of money on fighting games and challenging are rarely interested in "eye catching graphics" as you call them. 2-d fighters at a high level are all about functional graphics and the oft mentioned "GAMEPLAY". otherwise kof wouldnt be regarded so highly and games like soul calibur 2 would be "more" popular.. dont you think?

Tenshokyaku
07-11-2003, 09:39 AM
Wow, this is all out war! It's like watching a reality show about the Neo.

Rade K
07-11-2003, 09:41 AM
beelzebubble:

I'm in the camp that believes that SNK Playmore needs to move on to new hardware, if nothing else for the sake of its own survival as a company. I would have thought that the whole Aruze, bankruptcy, restructuring scare would have been enough to make people realize just what kind of thin ice SNK Playmore is treading on right now. IMO, they need not become wholly mainstream, but they do need to become more eye-catching at the very least. SNK was always able to reach out and catch people's attention, if even just for a little while because of how detailed and beautiful both the game artwork, and in-game graphics were. however, now it seems that even a large majority of older gamers seem to see how dated the graphics on Neo games look and simply move on. That's bad for business any way you look at it. the eyecatch is the essential first step to getting people curious enough to play a game in the arcade, or to buy it for a home system. they were able to achieve such a level of detail on hardware that is now 13 years old, I just imagine what they might be able to do with a greater amount of grapical tools at their disposal (and physical memory for that matter). im not trying to join into this argument but this post seems a little off... the type of ppl who go into arcades and spend lots of money on fighting games and challenging are rarely interested in "eye catching graphics" as you call them. 2-d fighters at a high level are all about functional graphics and the oft mentioned "GAMEPLAY". otherwise kof wouldnt be regarded so highly and games like soul calibur 2 would be "more" popular.. dont you think? People hate SC2 because I can school them without even trying. They see this 3D fighter and this longish haird hippie playing and they think they can have some fun. But when I kill them double perfect, they go back to Tekken 4 and call me a faggotasshole on the way out.

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 09:43 AM
EvilWasabi:

JHendrix:

EvilWasabi:

JHendrix:


You disreguard the fact that it costs them more money to make a Neo game than it would an Atomiswave game. It's harder to make a Neo game than one on the Atomiswave (or any new hardware for that matter). You also disreguard the fact that Playmore would be much more successful on new hardware and selling the ports on PS2. It also makes no difference that SNK might become a household name again if they do things right.
Those aren't facts. They're just what you want to believe.

FACT: SNK did not perform well making fighting games on non MVS-centric hardware (meaning MVS and its fraternal twin, the home system).

Examples:
Warriors Rage 2
Any port of a fighting game.
the hyper games

None of those were as good as the offerings on MVS, and to say otherwise on the ports issue is a severe breach of judgement or display of nearsightedness.

Would it be cheaper to make a game on the Atomiswave hardware? No. They'd have to learn how to use the framework. This takes time. Time is money, and in the end, who even cares about the Atomiswave? It's a Dreamcast with no clout. Why not tote moving to something more updated, like the Triforce, or whatever piece of crap Namco is preparing?

Would Playmore be more successful by making games that JHendrix wants to see? This isn't a fact, it's a possibility. And the likelyhood of you being right here is not that great.

Just because Raphael could draw and paint like the Rennaisance master he was, didn't mean he could sculpt like Michaelangelo, and vice versa. You have a medium and to expect you to perform at a high level in any other medium is puerile. Puerile is a good term to describe most of you dorks.

What about GGXX you desperately want to ask?

I want nothing to do with that cockring of a CD you wear on your gerkin, which has made you so hard for high res crap. FACT: To make games on the Neo it requires a lot of intensive 68000 Assembly Programming.

FACT: In this day and age, very talented 68k programmers are hard to find, and even more expensive to procure.

FACT: Most of the coders from the glory days of the 16bit era (where hardcore Assembly coding was required) have moved on to the next generation of hardware where they are thanking God in heaven that they don't have to use Assembly anymore.

FACT: Coding something in Assembly takes much much longer to develop (and we know that time = money, you have to pay those programmers) than it does to develop something in say Ansi C or C++.

FACT: Fighting Game engine logic (not the graphics engine, the gameplay engine) is simple and straight forward. The same rules of gameplay can be put on any system with ease. To say that they can't make good games on other systems is a cop out.

What's especially funny is how you talked about wanting to put the SS series on new hardware because "the Neo couldn't handle it".

You've also talked about how fun/great the HNG64 SS games were. SNK/Playmore can make good fighting games on other platforms.

And honestly I don't care if you don't like GGX2 or not graphically. You think KOF98 looks better? Why don't we go out and see what the majority of gamers think about that opinion? The SS hyper games were fun, but compare them to Soul Calibur and you see that SNK couldn't really compete on a 3D level.

As for code, sure, write from scratch, or reuse old code.

As for the majority of gamers, consider if you can, that the average intelligence (where you fall) of people in general is not that high. The average person buys furniture at IKEA.

The average person buys clothes at the mall from GAP, Structure, or whatever.

The average person drinks Coca Cola or Pepsi, ignorant that the carbonation swells their gut.

And the average person IS the majority.

So go ahead, ask the majority, and you'll get the response of the average person. Or ask yourself, you're average enough as it is. Funny, you glanced over the whole part of it costing more to make a Neo game, and it being harder to find (as well as being expensive to get) good 68k developers.

As for my being "average", well let me put it this way.

I graduated with a Computer Engineering Degree with honors and a 3.5 GPA.

I also was on a full-merits scholarship for all 4 years that I had to attend school. I graduated with only paying for books and lab fees at school.

While maintaining my scholarship I worked two jobs simultaneously for the majority of my degree. The latter of those two jobs being at a large engineering firm with by my senior year I was doing my own products.

I've now graduated and was immediately hired by that firm, and not to toot my own horn but I make an above-average salary. I'm also only 21.

Now I'm not the smartest person in the world by any means, but I'd take it as a far cry to call myself "average". In fact I'd wager that I've achieved more academically and professionally at a younger age than you have achieved in your life. smirk

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 09:45 AM
Rade Kuruc:

beelzebubble:

I'm in the camp that believes that SNK Playmore needs to move on to new hardware, if nothing else for the sake of its own survival as a company. I would have thought that the whole Aruze, bankruptcy, restructuring scare would have been enough to make people realize just what kind of thin ice SNK Playmore is treading on right now. IMO, they need not become wholly mainstream, but they do need to become more eye-catching at the very least. SNK was always able to reach out and catch people's attention, if even just for a little while because of how detailed and beautiful both the game artwork, and in-game graphics were. however, now it seems that even a large majority of older gamers seem to see how dated the graphics on Neo games look and simply move on. That's bad for business any way you look at it. the eyecatch is the essential first step to getting people curious enough to play a game in the arcade, or to buy it for a home system. they were able to achieve such a level of detail on hardware that is now 13 years old, I just imagine what they might be able to do with a greater amount of grapical tools at their disposal (and physical memory for that matter). im not trying to join into this argument but this post seems a little off... the type of ppl who go into arcades and spend lots of money on fighting games and challenging are rarely interested in "eye catching graphics" as you call them. 2-d fighters at a high level are all about functional graphics and the oft mentioned "GAMEPLAY". otherwise kof wouldnt be regarded so highly and games like soul calibur 2 would be "more" popular.. dont you think? People hate SC2 because I can school them without even trying. They see this 3D fighter and this longish haird hippie playing and they think they can have some fun. But when I kill them double perfect, they go back to Tekken 4 and call me a faggotasshole on the way out. Oh man... I remember this one guy who was a total guido - he thought he was THE shit with Taki, and he just couldn't get past my Ivy. I mean Ivy, come on. She's not unstoppable. But I was so scared he'd hit me with a chair after he dropped $4 into the machine trying to beat me. He called me a fag and that was it, but whew... the gaming scene is just too serious man.

YuSuKe
07-11-2003, 09:48 AM
JHendrix:
[QUOTE]

BTW, New hardware doesn't automatically mean 3D KOF. They know we (as in the majority of Neo fans) want 2D games, and they will deliver.

The Future is Now. I'm sure people in here shall understand our point of view soon enough, JHendrix. :cool:

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 09:49 AM
JHendrix:
Funny, you glanced over the whole part of it costing more to make a Neo game, and it being harder to find (as well as being expensive to get) good 68k developers.

As for my being "average", well let me put it this way.

I graduated with a Computer Engineering Degree with honors and a 3.5 GPA.

I also was on a full-merits scholarship for all 4 years that I had to attend school. I graduated with only paying for books and lab fees at school.

While maintaining my scholarship I worked two jobs simultaneously for the majority of my degree. The latter of those two jobs being at a large engineering firm with by my senior year I was doing my own products.

I've now graduated and was immediately hired by that firm, and not to toot my own horn but I make an above-average salary. I'm also only 21.

Now I'm not the smartest person in the world by any means, but I'd take it as a far cry to call myself "average". In fact I'd wager that I've achieved more academically and professionally at a younger age than you have achieved in your life. smirk Funny, I see the pics of you and ... uh huh. And the only thing above average is weight. But in the US, that's average too.

NJIT? What's that? Like Ralph's College, right?

How exciting.

Have fun shopping at IKEA.

Rade K
07-11-2003, 09:50 AM
YuSuKe:

JHendrix:
[QUOTE]

BTW, New hardware doesn't automatically mean 3D KOF. They know we (as in the majority of Neo fans) want 2D games, and they will deliver.

The Future is Now. I'm sure people in here shall understand our point of view soon enough, JHendrix. :cool: What? That new graphics will fix the gameplay slump that KOF has been in for the last few years?

Crovax
07-11-2003, 09:51 AM
beelzebubble:
im not trying to join into this argument but this post seems a little off... the type of ppl who go into arcades and spend lots of money on fighting games and challenging are rarely interested in "eye catching graphics" as you call them. 2-d fighters at a high level are all about functional graphics and the oft mentioned "GAMEPLAY". otherwise kof wouldnt be regarded so highly and games like soul calibur 2 would be "more" popular.. dont you think? first of all, I live in the US, so my concept of arcade goers is definitely different (most places I've been to have a lot of CvS2 and MvC2 players). anyway, yeah the people that plunk down a LOT of money are the very people you describe, but those people are also pretty much constants when it comes to marketing. they'll probably plunk down a lot of money on subsequent releases regardless (unless a game is particularly crappy of course). I was talking about what I perceive to be SNK Playmore's need to expand their market share a little bit, just to give them some breathing room (i.e. getting new gamers that might not have otherwise played their games), and not necessarily just in the arcade market. new hardware that's more compatible with home consoles would have the twofold effect of both better and better looking ports. in that regime, the box art and in-game graphics need to be eye-catching to get people to be interested.

YuSuKe
07-11-2003, 09:56 AM
EvilWasabi:

JHendrix:


You disreguard the fact that it costs them more money to make a Neo game than it would an Atomiswave game. It's harder to make a Neo game than one on the Atomiswave (or any new hardware for that matter). You also disreguard the fact that Playmore would be much more successful on new hardware and selling the ports on PS2. It also makes no difference that SNK might become a household name again if they do things right.
Those aren't facts. They're just what you want to believe.

FACT: SNK did not perform well making fighting games on non MVS-centric hardware (meaning MVS and its fraternal twin, the home system).

That almost sounds like SNK did not perform well on ANYTHING at all. :rolleyes: This debate is getting repetitive from what I see here.

Damn the patriots, says Soldius Snake. :(

BTW, I like FF:Wild Ambition...-_-even if the polygon count isn't in par with Tekken 3's...

YuSuKe
07-11-2003, 09:58 AM
Rade Kuruc:

YuSuKe:

JHendrix:
[QUOTE]

BTW, New hardware doesn't automatically mean 3D KOF. They know we (as in the majority of Neo fans) want 2D games, and they will deliver.

The Future is Now. I'm sure people in here shall understand our point of view soon enough, JHendrix. :cool: What? That new graphics will fix the gameplay slump that KOF has been in for the last few years? And they say, "I'm a graphic whore!!!".

Face reality, I want a great franchise to become a BETTER game.... :rolleyes:

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 09:59 AM
CAN YOU PLEASE STOP QUOTING THE ENTIRE POST WITH ALL THE PREVIOUS QUOTES??? THANKS

I see there are some different points of view here, and each one is correct in its own way.

Jimi, Charlie was not calling you "stupid" when saying that "average", you don't need to brag about your skills shame

In any case only time will tell who's right here... We just need to watch what does SNK do now and what the result, for good or bad, is.

And about the game specific discussions out here, GGX and GGXX are OK games but I don't really like them. Almost the same goes with CvsS 2, and I haven't been able to try it on-line. I love SC 1 & 2, best 3D fighting games ever.
And the best SF (and best 2D fighter ever, all other fighting games are still a pale copy of it) is Street Fighter 2 the World Warrior.

Darklighterx
07-11-2003, 10:00 AM
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADIESSSSS!!!!!!!!!

It's that time of the month again. :D

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 10:03 AM
EvilWasabi:
Funny, I see the pics of you and ... uh huh. And the only thing above average is weight. But in the US, that's average too.

NJIT? What's that? Like Ralph's College, right?

How exciting.

Have fun shopping at IKEA. Oh, come on, that was particularly low shame

Can't we just discuss politely, please? help

Rade K
07-11-2003, 10:04 AM
BC_Gambit:
Basically, for those who don't want a hardware upgrade, imagine if this was Slug 5:

<a href="http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/pcbs/atomiswave_system/Dolphin_Blue_3333.html" target="_blank">http://www.coinopexpress.com/products/pcbs/atomiswave_system/Dolphin_Blue_3333.html</a>

mmm... drool worthy. Dear lord. No offence but I think what makes Metal Slug's graphics Cool (1,2,X,3) is the style. I love the style. It's proven beautiful and smooth. This Dolphin Blue looks homogonized and forgetable. With pure 2D, you are alloted the privaledge of creating a unique style( granted MS borrowed from Irem) whereas in 3D things these days seem to look the same.

Rade K
07-11-2003, 10:06 AM
YuSuKe:

Rade Kuruc:

YuSuKe:

JHendrix:
[QUOTE]

BTW, New hardware doesn't automatically mean 3D KOF. They know we (as in the majority of Neo fans) want 2D games, and they will deliver.

The Future is Now. I'm sure people in here shall understand our point of view soon enough, JHendrix. :cool: What? That new graphics will fix the gameplay slump that KOF has been in for the last few years? And they say, "I'm a graphic whore!!!".

Face reality, I want a great franchise to become a BETTER game.... :rolleyes: God, that makse no sense. HOw would better graphics make KOF any better? I'll give you the answer; it won't.

Pray for gameplay reform first.

BC_Gambit
07-11-2003, 10:06 AM
This has become one of the more personally insulting threads in a while.

No friends to be made here.... :)

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 10:09 AM
EvilWasabi:

JHendrix:
Funny, you glanced over the whole part of it costing more to make a Neo game, and it being harder to find (as well as being expensive to get) good 68k developers.

As for my being "average", well let me put it this way.

I graduated with a Computer Engineering Degree with honors and a 3.5 GPA.

I also was on a full-merits scholarship for all 4 years that I had to attend school. I graduated with only paying for books and lab fees at school.

While maintaining my scholarship I worked two jobs simultaneously for the majority of my degree. The latter of those two jobs being at a large engineering firm with by my senior year I was doing my own products.

I've now graduated and was immediately hired by that firm, and not to toot my own horn but I make an above-average salary. I'm also only 21.

Now I'm not the smartest person in the world by any means, but I'd take it as a far cry to call myself "average". In fact I'd wager that I've achieved more academically and professionally at a younger age than you have achieved in your life. smirk Funny, I see the pics of you and ... uh huh. And the only thing above average is weight. But in the US, that's average too.

NJIT? What's that? Like Ralph's College, right?

How exciting.

Have fun shopping at IKEA. Funny, I'd like to see where you graduated from and what your grades were.

As for my schools credentials, it landed me a nice job at one of the largest engineering firms in the country where I probably earn more than you do in both jobs that you say you work at now. I'm also guessing that you have to work more than 40 hours in a week. Funny thing is I don't, and if I do it's time and a half.

And you're what? 27?

At that age I'll have a Masters degree and be making far more than you even if you do somehow manage to get your dumb ass into Law school.

I say dumb ass because only someone who knows they have a weak mind would be "afraid to compete" with the volume of law students who were in school in 97-98.

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 10:12 AM
YuSuKe:

EvilWasabi:

JHendrix:


You disreguard the fact that it costs them more money to make a Neo game than it would an Atomiswave game. It's harder to make a Neo game than one on the Atomiswave (or any new hardware for that matter). You also disreguard the fact that Playmore would be much more successful on new hardware and selling the ports on PS2. It also makes no difference that SNK might become a household name again if they do things right.
Those aren't facts. They're just what you want to believe.

FACT: SNK did not perform well making fighting games on non MVS-centric hardware (meaning MVS and its fraternal twin, the home system).

That almost sounds like SNK did not perform well on ANYTHING at all. :rolleyes: This debate is getting repetitive from what I see here.

Damn the patriots, says Soldius Snake. :(

BTW, I like FF:Wild Ambition...-_-even if the polygon count isn't in par with Tekken 3's... That's fine that you like FFWA, but you can see that it wasn't on par with Tekken 3, and that in and of itself crippled the game in the arcade scene. I went to Japan 7 months after FFWA was released, and it was nowhere to be found. Basically, it was that poorly recieved. However, KoF 98 was still playing at every arcade, as was Last Blade 2 and of course MotW not too long after.

You see, SNK could make 2D games like no one else - on Neo Geo Hardware.

Relearning takes money. Why bother with the Atomiswave if it means relearning for a system that will be dropped in a year. Then relearn on something else? More money. The MVS still does an excellent job, and SNK never had to pay royalties/licensing to make a game on it.

They didn't have to hunt down programmers - they already had them.

And if you want to listen to Ben Herman, than you should believe that they still have a lot of those programmers.

So.

I don't trust SNK with the Samurai Shodown franchise anymore. Not after they allowed Nakoruru and Warriors Rage 2 to be made. And especially not after SSIV.

If I was making the game, I wouldn't make it on the Neo Hardware because that's not my forte.

It's SNK's forte.

Get it? Got it? Good.

YuSuKe
07-11-2003, 10:12 AM
It doesn't matter who's right or who's wrong. I'm all in for something NEW.

The most important thing I'm interest in a fighting game is the high level play and that's my big reason to looking forward to SNKvCapcom:Chaos instead you fuckers bitch about the lack of bread and butter. I say, SAVE THE BREAD AND BUTTER FOR THE SEQUEL!

What more characters you want than taking off the mainstays?_

I didn't bitch about the graphics, but for a MVS hardware, this game has one intro animation that makes Capcom's Third Strike and CvS 2 intro looks like it's made of paper and pen!

That's right, I'm serious that the MVS hardware still has some bit of lifespan inside them. But, sooner or later, it's time to move on.

Gentlemen, the majority of gamers all over the video game community believes fighting games are a dying breed now. Believe it or not, fighting games will be lost in existence when FPS(Which are just like fighters in popularity, but in different concepts) like Half-life 2 and Halo 2takes the majority by storm.

Boy, do I sound dumb?! My intelliegent is always questionable and getting overlook as a common idiot due to my past days as SilentNinja the notorious flamer/Troll... :rolleyes:

X
07-11-2003, 10:13 AM
Last Balde 2 looks better then GGXXX3!

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: X ]</small>

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 10:16 AM
JHendrix:
Funny, I'd like to see where you graduated from and what your grades were.
Funny, I thought you read all my posts and already knew that I went to Carnegie Mellon University.

Must be a breach of memory on your part.

Along with my age, which you should know after reading my posts.

And why it would be easier to get into grad school during the dot com bubble and not after.

And of course you could probably figure out how much I make by reading what I have... And even what I sold to improve on what I have...

It's not that hard for a guy who graduated with a 3.5 from an anonymous state school.

YuSuKe
07-11-2003, 10:19 AM
Rade Kuruc:

YuSuKe:

Rade Kuruc:

YuSuKe:

JHendrix:
[QUOTE]

BTW, New hardware doesn't automatically mean 3D KOF. They know we (as in the majority of Neo fans) want 2D games, and they will deliver.

The Future is Now. I'm sure people in here shall understand our point of view soon enough, JHendrix. :cool: What? That new graphics will fix the gameplay slump that KOF has been in for the last few years? And they say, "I'm a graphic whore!!!".

Face reality, I want a great franchise to become a BETTER game.... :rolleyes: God, that makse no sense. HOw would better graphics make KOF any better? I'll give you the answer; it won't.

Pray for gameplay reform first. What kind of gameplay reform? A new MAX mode system as cheesy as the A-groove Sakura? Lets see, *Does Ryo's koho uppercut juggle 5 hits and cancel it to Ryuko ranbu* Are you a serious fighting game player, Rade?

lol

We still have the traditional gimmick of Extra and advance mode super gauge system and short jump rushdowns. annoyed

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 10:25 AM
Come on, stop this I-am-a-better-student-than-you-so-I-am-a-superior-life-form you two

By the way, what's wrong in shopping at Ikea? It's cheap and fucntional, what else do you need? OK, you prefer to spend a shitload of money in a 17th century furniture, because it is more "beatiful", "collectible", and only a few "selected" people can afford it shame . It's like the MVS and the AES... :rolleyes:

beelzebubble
07-11-2003, 10:26 AM
first of all, I live in the US, so my concept of arcade goers is definitely different (most places I've been to have a lot of CvS2 and MvC2 players). anyway, yeah the people that plunk down a LOT of money are the very people you describe, but those people are also pretty much constants when it comes to marketing. they'll probably plunk down a lot of money on subsequent releases regardless (unless a game is particularly crappy of course). I was talking about what I perceive to be SNK Playmore's need to expand their market share a little bit, just to give them some breathing room (i.e. getting new gamers that might not have otherwise played their games), and not necessarily just in the arcade market. new hardware that's more compatible with home consoles would have the twofold effect of both better and better looking ports. in that regime, the box art and in-game graphics need to be eye-catching to get people to be interested. i agree with you that if snk wanted to get more gamers who are attracted by eye candy then they should move onto new hardware... maybe even have a go at a 3-d kof. but do we really need them to do that??

i dont think so, if they did they would be just like namco and similar companies. they would start to put equal effort into graphics rather than concentrating on the gameplay. im not bashing namco i am just trying to make a point that snk would do better (for me at least) to stay niche and relatively profitable.

that way the mainstream gamers can have 3-d namco and love it while the niche gamers can have 2-d snk and love it.

if snk goes 3-d then inevitably their "less" profitable 2-d stuff woill stop getting produced at some point in time. that is think is irrefuteable, look at capcom and streetfighter (or any of their 2-d fighting franchises) they have all but given up on them and are concentrating on "3-d" and the mainstream. great for those that like their new direction but not for those who miss the old 2-d days of 93-98...

i think a mix is best with snk handling the niche 2-d fighting market...

YuSuKe
07-11-2003, 10:37 AM
Man, why would people still be afraid??? *end of stupid inconsistent "I don't want Neo games on inferior ports/new hardware" debate*

Crovax
07-11-2003, 10:47 AM
beelzebubble:
i agree with you that if snk wanted to get more gamers who are attracted by eye candy then they should move onto new hardware... maybe even have a go at a 3-d kof. but do we really need them to do that??

i dont think so, if they did they would be just like namco and similar companies. they would start to put equal effort into graphics rather than concentrating on the gameplay. im not bashing namco i am just trying to make a point that snk would do better (for me at least) to stay niche and relatively profitable.

that way the mainstream gamers can have 3-d namco and love it while the niche gamers can have 2-d snk and love it.

if snk goes 3-d then inevitably their "less" profitable 2-d stuff woill stop getting produced at some point in time. that is think is irrefuteable, look at capcom and streetfighter (or any of their 2-d fighting franchises) they have all but given up on them and are concentrating on "3-d" and the mainstream. great for those that like their new direction but not for those who miss the old 2-d days of 93-98...

i think a mix is best with snk handling the niche 2-d fighting market... I can see, and agree with a lot of what you have to say. I mean, after the SF EX games, the thought of a KOF with 3D gameplay is just bleh. However, from my perspective, it seems like SNK Playmore has hit the wall with MVS hardware, but the limitations of the 2D medium have not yet been fully explored. i guess the main point i'm trying to make is that i think if any company could finally push 2D to its limits, it would be SNK Playmore, but it feels like they can't because of aging hardware. I know it is a bad example, since it is 2D game play using polygons, but look at Shin Contra. that has to be the most beautiful game with 2D gameplay that I've ever seen. the level of detail it has makes me wonder what SNK Playmore could achieve given better hardware.

I don't want them to become mainstream, but at the same time, I want them to be more successful. I could be completely off-base, but ever since their reorganization, it seems like they are barely making it by, and I don't want one of my favorite companies to die. there are a lot of 2D gamers still out there, but many are turned off to the very dated looking graphics. I just think that SNK Playmore could achieve this increased success if they were able to bring some of these people around.

Tenshokyaku
07-11-2003, 10:50 AM
Amano Jacu:
Come on, stop this I-am-a-better-student-than-you-so-I-am-a-superior-life-form you two Thank you!

Personal attacks on someone because of their opinion of a video game sure makes you sound educated now doesn't it? oh_no

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 10:52 AM
I don't really understand why something that a "majority" of people like has got to be necessarily bad... I agree it's all a matter of tastes, and that we must save the variety, I mean not everything should be mainstream, but it is just ridiculous the levels at some of you are taking this to...

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 11:01 AM
Amano Jacu:
By the way, what's wrong in shopping at Ikea? It's cheap and fucntional, what else do you need? OK, you prefer to spend a shitload of money in a 17th century furniture, because it is more "beatiful", "collectible", and only a few "selected" people can afford it shame . It's like the MVS and the AES... :rolleyes: <a href="http://www.roche-bobois.com/" target="_blank">http://www.roche-bobois.com/</a>
Welcome to my apartment.

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 11:06 AM
EvilWasabi:

JHendrix:
Funny, I'd like to see where you graduated from and what your grades were.
Funny, I thought you read all my posts and already knew that I went to Carnegie Mellon University.

Must be a breach of memory on your part.

Along with my age, which you should know after reading my posts.

And why it would be easier to get into grad school during the dot com bubble and not after.

And of course you could probably figure out how much I make by reading what I have... And even what I sold to improve on what I have...

It's not that hard for a guy who graduated with a 3.5 from an anonymous state school. Unfortuneately no, I didn't know where you went to school. Apparantly you knew exactly where I went, because you read all my posts.

And if you weren't so dumb you'd realize your age was in your profile which is a click away.

Carnegie eh? Not too bad, but there are better schools in the area. As for my "anonymous state school" it got me a job I'm happy with and I'd say that counts as to how good of a school it was. I also did it in 4 years, how long'd you take?

And if you're so "above average" then what difference would it make to you when you tried to get into Law school? If you're so good then you shouldn't have any troule getting in, especially if you're grades were so great.

And as for knowing what you make, I don't. I do know you've mentioned you work two jobs which means you're proabably working more hours than I am, and it also could mean that you probably weren't making all that much at your primary job so you had to take a second one. That or you couldn't find a full-time position somewhere and lord knows part time jobs don't pay anywhere near as much as a full time one does.

Either way it makes no difference, you can go on calling me average or think I'm dumb. You can also think that staying with the MVS is the best thing for SNK to do. But like with anyone who takes LSD, what they think and what reality is are two very different things. smirk

PS. Sorry for the little battle Amano, I just don't appreciate being called average and then dumb after working my ass off for the past 4 years. I'll stop now, I promise. :)

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 11:09 AM
EvilWasabi:
<a href="http://www.roche-bobois.com/" target="_blank">http://www.roche-bobois.com/</a>
Welcome to my apartment. Wow, so do you shop there? And does that make you feel superior to the mortal people who don't have that much money (or prefer to save it) and shop in the pagan Ikea? oh_no

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 11:12 AM
Amano Jacu:

EvilWasabi:
<a href="http://www.roche-bobois.com/" target="_blank">http://www.roche-bobois.com/</a>
Welcome to my apartment. Wow, so do you shop there? And does that make you feel superior to the mortal people who don't have that much money (or prefer to save it) and shop in the pagan Ikea? oh_no Yes and yes.

QnzNeoGeoChick
07-11-2003, 11:17 AM
gozu+mezu:
SNK PLAYMORE will bring a KOF' 2001 with 3D backgrounds (like KOF'99 EVO), in arcade on the 18 september of this year.

SNK VS CAPCOM is delayed to the july 24.

SNK PLAYMORE will be at the next TGS SHOW spock spock spock

<small>[ July 12, 2003, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: QnzNeoGeoChick ]</small>

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 11:24 AM
EvilWasabi:

Amano Jacu:

EvilWasabi:
<a href="http://www.roche-bobois.com/" target="_blank">http://www.roche-bobois.com/</a>
Welcome to my apartment. Wow, so do you shop there? And does that make you feel superior to the mortal people who don't have that much money (or prefer to save it) and shop in the pagan Ikea? oh_no Yes and yes. Hrmmm, into over-priced designer European furniture, knows a lot about fashion and designer clothes...

Do you like hiding in the closet as well?

kanjifreak
07-11-2003, 11:26 AM
JHendrix:

EvilWasabi:

Amano Jacu:

EvilWasabi:
<a href="http://www.roche-bobois.com/" target="_blank">http://www.roche-bobois.com/</a>
Welcome to my apartment. Wow, so do you shop there? And does that make you feel superior to the mortal people who don't have that much money (or prefer to save it) and shop in the pagan Ikea? oh_no Yes and yes. Hrmmm, into over-priced designer European furniture, knows a lot about fashion and designer clothes...

Do you like hiding in the closet as well? Ignorance... shame

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 11:29 AM: Message edited by: kanjifreak ]</small>

Shito
07-11-2003, 11:32 AM
Fran:
the so called "majority" of people out there

-listen to shit music

-buy shit video games

-they are a bunch of morons


so just because we are out-numbered,
we are automatically "wrong"?


heh

no You're 50% right here Fran.

Because, yes:

the so called "majority" of people out there
-listen to shit music
-buy shit video games
-they are a bunch of morons

BUT

the concepts of 'right' and 'wrong' (as well as 'good' and 'bad' and pretty much whatever) are basically enstablished by the majority rule.

I'm saying in the mind of the population, not even in law regulation.

This is exaclty the why I'm this happy to be called an idiot.

Tenshokyaku
07-11-2003, 11:57 AM
EvilWasabi:

Amano Jacu:

EvilWasabi:
<a href="http://www.roche-bobois.com/" target="_blank">http://www.roche-bobois.com/</a>
Welcome to my apartment. Wow, so do you shop there? And does that make you feel superior to the mortal people who don't have that much money (or prefer to save it) and shop in the pagan Ikea? oh_no Yes and yes. So you can justify calling yourself above average by spending loads of money on things only a handful of people in the world really care about, and insulting other's intelligence when they have a different opinion than yours about something as trivial as a video game system? Wow, all that education really made a difference, didn't it?

DangerousK
07-11-2003, 12:21 PM
Heh...this has been a fun read.

Hendrix-

You will never be able to appreciate SNK as it was. Never, ever will you. Why? Because you worship the next gen systems and consider Capcom vs SNK 2 a "good" game.

Rest assured, it's very far from a good game. In fact, it's quite a bad game.

The MVS hardware isn't as dead as you would like to make it out to be.

I noticed that you rave about how great the Street Fighter 3 games are, how great CvsS2 is, how great MvC2 is, how great GGX and GGXX is. But what do they have in common. Most are shit in comparison to the great 2D fighters. SF3 Third Strike is the best Street Fighter 3 game, but it's still nowhere near the quality of Street Fighter 2 and Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo.

I would rather see every major SNK game franchise die before moving to new hardware just so you can get your high res.

Selfish?

To you perhaps. But once again, unless you had the priviledge of playing the Neo Geo in 1991 and was able to see the progression of the games as time went on, then would you see why it is a bad idea. You were never able to experience the true joy of the Neo Geo. Coming into through emulation in 1999 is kind of lame. You missed 8 years. You insist that we're in the minority and the majority wants the games to move to new hardware. The majority isn't always right Jimi. You should know that.

I really don't like the next generation systems at all. Perhaps I'm one of the few folks on here who doesn't. But the games don't have the magic anymore. No I'm not sentimental on the 16 bit era being the greatest. Games today are soulless, there is no passion left in most games. It says a lot when I can sit around playing Samurai Shodown 2 and Sonic the Hedgehog (to name a few) for hours on end, and can't even play Metal Gear Solid 2 for more than 20 minutes.

At the end of the day, you can take all your dreams for SNK properties in high res on new hardware and next gen systems and cram it up your ass.

You'll never understand, neither will the rest of the fucking n00bs who agree with you.

Chicago Cheeseburgler Crew
07-11-2003, 01:16 PM
DangerousK:
and consider Capcom vs SNK 2 a "good" game.

Rest assured, it's very far from a good game. In fact, it's quite a bad game. Wow, your opinion is fact? Amazing.

I hope you take a 12 steps to shut the fuck up seminar.

Tenshokyaku
07-11-2003, 01:25 PM
That's sort of an unfair statement. I have been playing the Neo since '91 and I feel that it's properties need to move on as well. It wasn't the system that made the games what they are, it was the genius programming that made them what they are. Are you saying that if Samurai Shodown had been made on the CPS2 hardware instead of the Neo, that you would have hated it? No, you wouldn't have. You would be sitting here now praising the CPS2 hardware instead. If Playmore still has this programming genius at it's disposal, what is the harm in making the jump to next-gen systems? The games would be just as good within a different medium.

Now comes the reality check. Playmore does not seem to have the magic that SNK had. Therefore, I am personally very skeptical of this move. Until they can prove that they can do more than recycle what SNK has already produced, I am not a believer.

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 01:26 PM
DangerousK:
Heh...this has been a fun read.

Hendrix-

You will never be able to appreciate SNK as it was. Never, ever will you. Why? Because you worship the next gen systems and consider Capcom vs SNK 2 a "good" game.

Rest assured, it's very far from a good game. In fact, it's quite a bad game.

The MVS hardware isn't as dead as you would like to make it out to be.

I noticed that you rave about how great the Street Fighter 3 games are, how great CvsS2 is, how great MvC2 is, how great GGX and GGXX is. But what do they have in common. Most are shit in comparison to the great 2D fighters. SF3 Third Strike is the best Street Fighter 3 game, but it's still nowhere near the quality of Street Fighter 2 and Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo.

I would rather see every major SNK game franchise die before moving to new hardware just so you can get your high res.

Selfish?

To you perhaps. But once again, unless you had the priviledge of playing the Neo Geo in 1991 and was able to see the progression of the games as time went on, then would you see why it is a bad idea. You were never able to experience the true joy of the Neo Geo. Coming into through emulation in 1999 is kind of lame. You missed 8 years. You insist that we're in the minority and the majority wants the games to move to new hardware. The majority isn't always right Jimi. You should know that.

I really don't like the next generation systems at all. Perhaps I'm one of the few folks on here who doesn't. But the games don't have the magic anymore. No I'm not sentimental on the 16 bit era being the greatest. Games today are soulless, there is no passion left in most games. It says a lot when I can sit around playing Samurai Shodown 2 and Sonic the Hedgehog (to name a few) for hours on end, and can't even play Metal Gear Solid 2 for more than 20 minutes.

At the end of the day, you can take all your dreams for SNK properties in high res on new hardware and next gen systems and cram it up your ass.

You'll never understand, neither will the rest of the fucking n00bs who agree with you. I think CvS2 is an awesome game. I watched the previews of when it was coming out, downloaded combo video's off the net from the DC version in Japan, and I bought it when it came out on PS2 in the states. I've not stopped playing it since then. Almost every time we play fighters CvS2 goes in for a while - it's that damn good, even after all the time it's been out. That is the sign of a good 2D fighter IMO.

As for the modern 2D fighters being shit compared to the greats, that's your opinion. I'd call SF3:TS one of the greats as far as 2D fighters go. GGX2 is almost there but not quite, it's not "one of the greatest fighters of all time" but it's a damn good fighter and I can think of a lot of fighters on the Neo that are far inferior to it in terms of gameplay, not even in the obvious case of graphics.

And yes I'd call wanting to see "every major SNK game franchise die before moving to new hardware just so you can get your high res" downright selfish.

Just because the games are going to move on to a medium you don't like doesn't mean that the rest of the world who wants to see that happen shouldn't get the chance to experience what they want. Even if the games weren't going to be moving on to the Atomiswave or PS2 I'd still like to see them continue on the Neo.

If you don't like the way they're going then let them "die" for you by not buying the new games, no one is forcing you to play them. But just because you don't want to play ball anymore that doesn't mean the rest of us have to go home too.

As far as my appreciation goes for the Neo, well I'm pretty happy with the level I enjoy it at. I can play KOF98 or MOTW vs. matches for hours on end and have a pretty damn good time doing it. But I guess I won't experience the greatness that was the Neo or SNK since I "found" the Neo again through ROMZ in 1999. Doesn't bother me in the slightest really, I can go back and find the good games that I enjoy playing and play them. That's all it boils down to really, I mean these are just videogames.

And because they are videogames, that makes the majority right. This isn't politics, this isn't good vs. evil or some question of moral or ethical values that society must decide upon, this is videogames.

I'm all for the minority fighting for a just cause if say the majority of people were advocating racial discrimination, but in the case of videogames it comes down to dealing with a product that goes into market.

Welcome to Capitalism 101, whatever the majority of consumers want is the right thing for your company to produce.

That's it, case closed, end of story.

And as for "next gen games having no soul", I couldn't disagree more.

FF7 has soul.
Xenogears has soul.
GGX2 has Sol and soul. wink
Steel Battalion has soul.
Onimusha has soul.
Chrono Cross has soul.
Quake 3 has soul.
Warcraft 3 has soul.
Half Life has soul.

I think you get the point, I could go on and on and on about every game that I own having "soul" or being extremely fun to play - that's why I own it.

I think maybe you say the old stuff has more soul because you were young when you played it, and good things from your childhood always have that "magical" feeling to them that you get a piece of from nostalgia when playing those games again. I don't know what else to tell you except if you don't like any of the Next-Gen stuff then I think you're growing out of videogames. Nothing wrong with that, but don't sit here and tell me that I'm wrong because I enjoy where things are headed.

Funny, back in the day the Neo was so sought after because of its technical superiority and amazing graphical prowess. Now it's those same people who enjoyed all that back then who are clamoring for its survival quoting technical superiority and amazing graphical prowess as unecessary benefits of next-gen gaming.

I'm sure a bunch of Atari 2600 people would look at NG.com and call us a bunch of graphics whores.

Tenshokyaku
07-11-2003, 01:30 PM
Hendrix, that was a very intelligent comeback. I couldn't agree with you more.

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 01:32 PM
Shito:

Fran:
the so called "majority" of people out there

-listen to shit music

-buy shit video games

-they are a bunch of morons


so just because we are out-numbered,
we are automatically "wrong"?


heh

no You're 50% right here Fran.

Because, yes:

the so called "majority" of people out there
-listen to shit music
-buy shit video games
-they are a bunch of morons

BUT

the concepts of 'right' and 'wrong' (as well as 'good' and 'bad' and pretty much whatever) are basically enstablished by the majority rule.

I'm saying in the mind of the population, not even in law regulation.

This is exaclty the why I'm this happy to be called an idiot. For us I guess the term "inscrutible" applies well. Right or wrong is determined by the majority. Most of the time, it's on agreeable. But the failing for the majority is in aesthetics. Throughout history, this has been proven repeatedly.

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 01:34 PM
Tenshokyaku:
Hendrix, that was a very intelligent comeback. I couldn't agree with you more. You want to give him a rimjob now?

dullbuoy
07-11-2003, 01:35 PM
DangerousK:
But once again, unless you had the priviledge of playing the Neo Geo in 1991 and was able to see the progression of the games as time went on, then would you see why it is a bad idea.progression = bad? spock

<img src="http://www.neo-geo.com/reviews/neo-reviews/ff/ff3.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://www.neo-geo.com/reviews/neo-reviews/rbff2/sokakuthundergod.jpg" alt=" - " />

xFinnPetersx
07-11-2003, 01:36 PM
buttasuperb:

DangerousK:
and consider Capcom vs SNK 2 a "good" game.

Rest assured, it's very far from a good game. In fact, it's quite a bad game. Wow, your opinion is fact? Amazing.

I hope you take a 12 steps to shut the fuck up seminar. ha. indeed. butta i really enjoy your signature. super cool, altough the earthquake gas move looks kinda silly in that screenshot.

everyone is turning into hate clowns because of this thread. what the fuck. dangerous k... what are you talking about?
"It says a lot when I can sit around playing Samurai Shodown 2 and Sonic the Hedgehog (to name a few) for hours on end, and can't even play Metal Gear Solid 2 for more than 20 minutes."
ok. it does maybe. MGS2 kinda sucks. but that vague statement means almost nothing. so you like playing sonic... awesome. move with that. play that game. nobody cares if you can fall into a trance in front of your genesis collecting rings.

in general (not directed towards you DangK) playing old games doesn't make you hard or cool. knowing about them doesn't make you hard or cool. having passion about something (be it music, games, movies, whatever) makes life cool/good. don't worry about what other people think of your opinions. opinions are opinions... don't hate. statements like "yeah i only like alex the kid for master system... games kinda sucked after that." are hallmarks of indie-rock snobbery and i'd like it if there was less of that here applied to videogame opinions. just be eloquent about it don't be a jerk.

blah.
*edit: yeah and if you're passionate about a new game and enjoy the sense of having something new to play, that shouldn't get hated on. fuck that. just because jimi or anyone likes playing a new game doesn't mean they've written off every thing before it. the future is the future and it's gonna happen but just because people(/some people on this forum)know that doesn't mean they still can't play their old games and stay attached to their pasts. my opinion is that CVS2 sucks, but i played it and still play it and find parts about it i like. i don't write it off, because i'm a gamer... i like to play games. i have an opinion of it, but just like my opinion of KOF 94-02, it continues to change with time and further play.

stop being so static (... bitches)!

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 02:44 PM: Message edited by: xFinnPetersx ]</small>

DangerousK
07-11-2003, 01:37 PM
dullbuoy:

DangerousK:
But once again, unless you had the priviledge of playing the Neo Geo in 1991 and was able to see the progression of the games as time went on, then would you see why it is a bad idea.progression = bad? spock

<img src="http://www.neo-geo.com/reviews/neo-reviews/ff/ff3.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://www.neo-geo.com/reviews/neo-reviews/rbff2/sokakuthundergod.jpg" alt=" - " /> Progression to new hardware is bad.

If you can't see that it is not my fault that you're blind.

DangerousK
07-11-2003, 01:38 PM
Tenshokyaku:
Hendrix, that was a very intelligent comeback. I couldn't agree with you more. Wow.

What a fucking n00b. :rolleyes:

dullbuoy
07-11-2003, 01:54 PM
Progression to new hardware is bad.
If you can't see that it is not my fault that you're blind.<img src="http://patpend.net/reviews/smb2j_ss.gif" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://nintendo.gamerweb.com/media/supermarioadv2_gba/sma2-04.jpg" alt=" - " />

<img src="http://www.chikapu.com/streetfighterlegends/screenshots/sssf11.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://www.chikapu.com/streetfighterlegends/screenshots/sssf21.jpg" alt=" - " />

damn, i must be blind then

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 01:55 PM
dullbuoy:

Progression to new hardware is bad.
If you can't see that it is not my fault that you're blind.<img src="http://patpend.net/reviews/smb2j_ss.gif" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://nintendo.gamerweb.com/media/supermarioadv2_gba/sma2-04.jpg" alt=" - " />

<img src="http://www.chikapu.com/streetfighterlegends/screenshots/sssf11.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://www.chikapu.com/streetfighterlegends/screenshots/sssf21.jpg" alt=" - " />

damn, i must be blind then buttrock

xFinnPetersx
07-11-2003, 01:55 PM
JHendrix
Funny, back in the day the Neo was so sought after because of its technical superiority and amazing graphical prowess. Now it's those same people who enjoyed all that back then who are clamoring for its survival quoting technical superiority and amazing graphical prowess as unecessary benefits of next-gen gaming.Altough this squabble has been low on "points" or real arguments this is one that i think is central. now i am saying that it is central but because it is let's think about it... what system has the most qualities that make it techinically superior and better graphically? this is a question really there is no real answer. the answer could be neo it could be cps3. but in reality neo is probably only a slight hinderance to great graphics/games in general. the real problem could be the programmers. but that's saying there's a problem. ... but yeah i have no answers, just questions. this is central point.

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 02:47 PM: Message edited by: xFinnPetersx ]</small>

DangerousK
07-11-2003, 02:02 PM
I think CvS2 is an awesome game. I watched the previews of when it was coming out, downloaded combo video's off the net from the DC version in Japan, and I bought it when it came out on PS2 in the states. I've not stopped playing it since then. Almost every time we play fighters CvS2 goes in for a while - it's that damn good, even after all the time it's been out. That is the sign of a good 2D fighter IMO.
Yes but just because you can't stop playing it does not mean it is good.

Christ, what don't you understand about this. Just because you think it is good does not mean it is good. It's shit game. The only people who like this game are next gen n00bs.

Ok, so you play the game a lot even after all this time and you think that it is the sign of a good game. I also play Back to the Future for the NES a lot. Get my point?


As for the modern 2D fighters being shit compared to the greats, that's your opinion. I'd call SF3:TS one of the greats as far as 2D fighters go. GGX2 is almost there but not quite, it's not "one of the greatest fighters of all time" but it's a damn good fighter and I can think of a lot of fighters on the Neo that are far inferior to it in terms of gameplay, not even in the obvious case of graphics. Yes there are Neo fighters that are inferior to it in terms of gameplay, but keep in mind they were out long before GGXX ever came out so they didn't have the luxury of borrowing from the fighters that were done properly. Rest assured, the Neo fighters that are better than GGXX obliterate the game. Every 2D fighter fanatic I ever spoke to said the same thing to me. GGXX is a shit game for the mainstream wankers who have never heard of the King of Fighters or Last Blade or whatever the fuck else. And dude, all you do is bring up the graphics. Who GIVES A FUCK OK? Like whoever mentioned it earlier is correct in saying the art of GGXX is tired. It is old, it's been seen before, it's not fresh. The Last Blade for example has art that puts GGXX to shame.


And yes I'd call wanting to see "every major SNK game franchise die before moving to new hardware just so you can get your high res" downright selfish.That's fine, but if you want to watch as each game franchise is bastardized due to it, then don't complain when everything goes wrong if indeed it does go to high res and so forth. The Neo can do a lot more than you give it credit for. Go play Ryuko no Ken Gaiden.


Just because the games are going to move on to a medium you don't like doesn't mean that the rest of the world who wants to see that happen shouldn't get the chance to experience what they want. Even if the games weren't going to be moving on to the Atomiswave or PS2 I'd still like to see them continue on the Neo. Yes, but keep in mind the majority of the civilized world has been proven to be stupid time and time again.


As far as my appreciation goes for the Neo, well I'm pretty happy with the level I enjoy it at. I can play KOF98 or MOTW vs. matches for hours on end and have a pretty damn good time doing it. But I guess I won't experience the greatness that was the Neo or SNK since I "found" the Neo again through ROMZ in 1999. Doesn't bother me in the slightest really, I can go back and find the good games that I enjoy playing and play them. That's all it boils down to really, I mean these are just videogames.
Just out of curiosity, what Neo games do you play that are before 1998?


And because they are videogames, that makes the majority right. oh_no

Oh shit man, I can't believe you said that.

Please don't exhibit anymore blatant stupidity.

So because the majority thinks GTA 3 and GTA Vice City are great games suddenly makes it so?

STFU ok?

If I want to listen to dumb shit, I'll go join GameFAQs.


And as for "next gen games having no soul", I couldn't disagree more.

FF7 has soul.
Xenogears has soul.
GGX2 has Sol and soul.
Steel Battalion has soul.
Onimusha has soul.
Chrono Cross has soul.
Quake 3 has soul.
Warcraft 3 has soul.
Half Life has soul.
Wow....perhaps one game out every 200 or so. Great ratio there. Chrono Cross sucks cock BTW, it was a disappointment compared to Chrono Trigger.


I think maybe you say the old stuff has more soul because you were young when you played it, and good things from your childhood always have that "magical" feeling to them that you get a piece of from nostalgia when playing those games again. I don't know what else to tell you except if you don't like any of the Next-Gen stuff then I think you're growing out of videogames. Nothing wrong with that, but don't sit here and tell me that I'm wrong because I enjoy where things are headed.
It doesn't have anything to do with nostalgia. 2D games had more heart put into them than current 3D stuff does. Yes I've grown out of video games somewhat, I don't deny that. I don't have the time to play them that I once did. But I can still comment on what is a good game and what is bad. Next gen stuff has its merits to some degree, but at the end of it, it is not really all that it is cracked up to be.

Whatever though.

It doesn't matter at the end of it because you believe you are right about certain things. I don't really care if you ever see my point of view. Doesn't much matter to me. I'm not going to try and get you to change your mind, no desire to. Think whatever pleases you, but always remember majority does not mean it is right as much AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO THINK IT DOES.

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: DangerousK ]</small>

DangerousK
07-11-2003, 02:04 PM
dullbuoy-

The progression I was talking about being bad was the Neo you fucking twat. oh_no

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 02:09 PM
dullbuoy:

Progression to new hardware is bad.
If you can't see that it is not my fault that you're blind.<img src="http://patpend.net/reviews/smb2j_ss.gif" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://nintendo.gamerweb.com/media/supermarioadv2_gba/sma2-04.jpg" alt=" - " />

<img src="http://www.chikapu.com/streetfighterlegends/screenshots/sssf11.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://www.chikapu.com/streetfighterlegends/screenshots/sssf21.jpg" alt=" - " />

damn, i must be blind then Nice shots.

But.

Mario on Nintendo hardware both times

Street Fighter on Capcom hardware both times.

The Neo Geo on Microsoft/Sony hardware?

No thanks.

Kid Aphex
07-11-2003, 02:15 PM
With respect to DangerousK, I think he may've been referring to the business aspect of 'moving to new hardware'

The MVS is already a well-established arcade system with placement all over the world. Moving to an altogether new format would cut off almost ALL of the already dwindling sales present in north america for MVS kits, while further alienating markets in Asia---to a lesser extent. Not only that, but production costs would rise... More production + Less money made = a bad business decision. Its really as simple as that. If you dont understand that, get your head out of your ass.

Not only that, but if SNK/Playmore moved their games over to the Atomiswave, for example, they would lose my business. Not because I'm a stubborn prick---but because I can't afford a fucking arcade system. However, I've already got my AES and would gladly plunk down the cash for a homecart---no questions asked.

I think this is the sort of obvious business they don't want to simply throw away. But all this has been said before so many times...why do you guys keep on fighting?

dullbuoy
07-11-2003, 02:18 PM
what if it's the exact same 2D game on new hardware? i showed samples of mario since 2 differnt hardware from the same company but the gameplay is still 2d.

i'm not talking about mvs to hyper64 2D to 3D change. 2D game on new hardware but still 2D game. would you all STILL be opposed to that?

Tenshokyaku
07-11-2003, 02:19 PM
EvilWasabi:

Tenshokyaku:
Hendrix, that was a very intelligent comeback. I couldn't agree with you more. You want to give him a rimjob now? I give credit where it's due. He had not one personal attack in his reply, which is more than I can say for the immaturity you seem to enjoy spreading. I sincerely hope you are just messing around and not being serious. Because for someone so "educated" and "above average" you sure sound childish. shame

Tenshokyaku
07-11-2003, 02:31 PM
DangerousK:

Tenshokyaku:
Hendrix, that was a very intelligent comeback. I couldn't agree with you more. Wow.

What a fucking n00b. :rolleyes: You sure like that word, don't you?

Stating your opinion as if it was fact only discredits you further. Personal attacks on people because of their opinion makes you sound like you are in grade school. We aren't on the playground anymore, so grow up.

ResO
07-11-2003, 02:39 PM
3D SNK = HYPER64 = CRAP :rolleyes:

Setsuna1982
07-11-2003, 02:40 PM
EvilWasabi:
Nice shots.

But.

Mario on Nintendo hardware both times

Street Fighter on Capcom hardware both times.

How about Sonic Adventure from DC to GC?
And Dead or Alive from Model 2 to Xbox?

:rolleyes:

Rade K
07-11-2003, 02:44 PM
Bottom Line=68000 chip immortal.

It already knows what your great grandchildren will look like. It's not going to take well to replacement. They've tried, and it has re-asserted itself on countless occaisions.

Beware.

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 02:45 PM
Oh my good, I'm out for 30 minutes and the amount of stupidities said is so big that I don't dare to quote them all in the same post!

So game progression is bad? Stick with Pong then!

Capcom didn't move to new hardware? What about CPS1-&gt;2-&gt;3 plus all the ports to all other systems? OK the CPS boards were all made by Capcom, but not the consoles!

Somebody is saying that CvsS 2 is a bad game, and that J is wrong. Hello? Your opinion is as valid as his.

Maybe you don't like MGS2, but me and quite a lot of people LOVE it. I still prefer MGS1, though. And the GTA 3 and VC are awesome games for most people, too. Do you dislike them just because you don't want to agree with all the mainstreamers out there? oh_no

OK, moving to the Atomiswave may be a bit traumatic, but think that you will get rid of all the bootlegs and rom problems.They should have upgraded hardware much more often, they got to much used to the good ol' one.
It will also make ports to the DC very easy, and they will make much more money with them that with the AES "ports".

So somebody is pissed because that will be the end of the AES? ROFLMAO. Like if that was making any money for Playmore... Earth to AES owners: the amount of people "hardcore" enough to pay +300$ on a new release is so insignificant, that it's a wonder why they still release them. Well, if wasn't for Shawn...

Jeez, there's some people that would buy anything AES related at any price. It's like the Pochinoya AES petition... If that very same games was to be released on PS1 (yes, you don't even need the 2) or DC (as it was a naomi project to begin with) for 20$ nobody would have paid attention, but... It's going to be on AES! OMG! Let's spend 300$ on it! And don't talk about "Inferior Ports", Jesus Christ, is just a fucking puzle game! On DC it would be much better than MVS/AES anyway...

I'm sure I'm forgetting some other things but... :rolleyes:

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 02:53 PM
Tenshokyaku:

EvilWasabi:

Tenshokyaku:
Hendrix, that was a very intelligent comeback. I couldn't agree with you more. You want to give him a rimjob now? I give credit where it's due. He had not one personal attack in his reply, which is more than I can say for the immaturity you seem to enjoy spreading. I sincerely hope you are just messing around and not being serious. Because for someone so "educated" and "above average" you sure sound childish. shame Oh right... :rolleyes:

Well, let me know how the sex goes.

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 03:01 PM
EvilWasabi:
Oh right... :rolleyes:

Well, let me know how the sex goes. You've run out of arguments so you need to say things like this? shame

What's wrong in AGREEING with somebody else and saying so? He's got his own opinion and it happens to coincide with somebody else. Just because of that it doesn't mean he has no soul or whatever. Come on, looks like if you are not absolutely original and do things quite a lot of other people do, you are a monkey.

DangerousK
07-11-2003, 03:07 PM
Tenshokyaku:

DangerousK:

Tenshokyaku:
Hendrix, that was a very intelligent comeback. I couldn't agree with you more. Wow.

What a fucking n00b. :rolleyes: You sure like that word, don't you?

Stating your opinion as if it was fact only discredits you further. LOL

Yeah why don't you tell that to Hendrix then.

Learn to read before making comments.

You have this inability to do that.

Why?

Oh, I forgot.

n00b.

Oh I'm sorry, are you going to cry now?

:rolleyes:

Tenshokyaku
07-11-2003, 03:11 PM
EvilWasabi:

Tenshokyaku:

EvilWasabi:

Tenshokyaku:
Hendrix, that was a very intelligent comeback. I couldn't agree with you more. You want to give him a rimjob now? I give credit where it's due. He had not one personal attack in his reply, which is more than I can say for the immaturity you seem to enjoy spreading. I sincerely hope you are just messing around and not being serious. Because for someone so "educated" and "above average" you sure sound childish. shame Oh right... :rolleyes:

Well, let me know how the sex goes. Isn't the Internet wonderful? Anyone can hide behind the anonymity of a BBS account and insult people they know nothing about over something as simple as video games. Flame on!

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 03:16 PM
Amano Jacu:

EvilWasabi:
Oh right... :rolleyes:

Well, let me know how the sex goes. You've run out of arguments so you need to say things like this? shame

What's wrong in AGREEING with somebody else and saying so? He's got his own opinion and it happens to coincide with somebody else. Just because of that it doesn't mean he has no soul or whatever. Come on, looks like if you are not absolutely original and do things quite a lot of other people do, you are a monkey. Nothing wrong with agreeing.

But if you want to stick your tongue up someone's ass, might as well choose someone with a nice looking ass.

Anyhow, you're missing the point - people can have whatever tastes and opinions they desire. But in the simple minds of the rabble here:

Morton's should have an Xtra value menu

Lambourghini should make a $50K "luxury" SUV

Dolce & Gabbana should merge with GAP and offer "reasonable" priced clothing for a wider audience.

Someone knows what I'm talking about. I just fear that I can't put these into simpler terms,,,

Tenshokyaku
07-11-2003, 03:24 PM
DangerousK:

Tenshokyaku:

DangerousK:

Tenshokyaku:
Hendrix, that was a very intelligent comeback. I couldn't agree with you more. Wow.

What a fucking n00b. :rolleyes: You sure like that word, don't you?

Stating your opinion as if it was fact only discredits you further. LOL

Yeah why don't you tell that to Hendrix then.

Learn to read before making comments.

You have this inability to do that.

Why?

Oh, I forgot.

n00b.

Oh I'm sorry, are you going to cry now?

:rolleyes: Someone I don't even know called me a n00b...I'm drowning in tears...

Where in that entire argument he wrote to your hypocritical ass did he once claim that his opinion was fact? You really should learn to follow your own advice before you humiliate yourself further.

DangerousK
07-11-2003, 03:29 PM
Read through the thread you dumb fuck.

Second, don't be such an ass kisser?

I can smell the shit coming from your mouth all the way over here.

Loser.

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 03:35 PM
EvilWasabi:
Anyhow, you're missing the point - people can have whatever tastes and opinions they desire. But in the simple minds of the rabble here:

Morton's should have an Xtra value menu

Lambourghini should make a $50K "luxury" SUV

Dolce & Gabbana should merge with GAP and offer "reasonable" priced clothing for a wider audience.

Someone knows what I'm talking about. I just fear that I can't put these into simpler terms,,, OHHHHHHHH, sorry, I don't know what the fuck you are talking about, am I allowed to continue breathing? For God's sake, stop with all that elitistic crap or I'm going to puke! From what my limited knowledge (and I could also brag about my university but... I'm not even American! eek_2 ), you have an incredible good taste in food, furniture, cars, VIDEOGAMES, etc. and love to spend shitloads of money on them (so simple people can't get the same as you), that way you feel much more superior than we inferior beings... Your dick must be very small (yeah, easy joke but sorry, I couldn't resist).

Yeah, he chose the wrong ass to lick, you think yours would have been a much better choice? Come on, he just said "I agree", not that J is a God or something... oh_no

Tenshokyaku
07-11-2003, 03:35 PM
EvilWasabi:

Amano Jacu:

EvilWasabi:
Oh right... :rolleyes:

Well, let me know how the sex goes. You've run out of arguments so you need to say things like this? shame

What's wrong in AGREEING with somebody else and saying so? He's got his own opinion and it happens to coincide with somebody else. Just because of that it doesn't mean he has no soul or whatever. Come on, looks like if you are not absolutely original and do things quite a lot of other people do, you are a monkey. Nothing wrong with agreeing.

But if you want to stick your tongue up someone's ass, might as well choose someone with a nice looking ass.

Anyhow, you're missing the point - people can have whatever tastes and opinions they desire. But in the simple minds of the rabble here:

Morton's should have an Xtra value menu

Lambourghini should make a $50K "luxury" SUV

Dolce & Gabbana should merge with GAP and offer "reasonable" priced clothing for a wider audience.

Someone knows what I'm talking about. I just fear that I can't put these into simpler terms,,, You are trying so hard to sound like you are a higher form of life than the general public, and then you go and make dumbass statements about rimjobs when someone "gasp" gives another person a compliment. You aren't fooling anyone.

Sorry, I didn't realize being a complete asshole was a prerequisite for posting here. God forbid we do anything but insult each other, that's just gay!

SonGohan
07-11-2003, 03:44 PM
EvilWasabi:
What? the Xbox CvS2 plays different from the arcade version?
Actually it does. Many of the bugs (such as RCing) were taken out for fair play. There's original music tracks (such as KOF 94 Pao Pao Cafe 2, SF2 Ryu, FFS Terry's stage, and many others).

It has tons of other various cool features. Of course, if you don't like playing the game, you don't like playing the game. It's all good.

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 03:47 PM
Amano Jacu:

EvilWasabi:
Anyhow, you're missing the point - people can have whatever tastes and opinions they desire. But in the simple minds of the rabble here:

Morton's should have an Xtra value menu

Lambourghini should make a $50K "luxury" SUV

Dolce & Gabbana should merge with GAP and offer "reasonable" priced clothing for a wider audience.

Someone knows what I'm talking about. I just fear that I can't put these into simpler terms,,, OHHHHHHHH, sorry, I don't know what the fuck you are talking about, am I allowed to continue breathing? For God's sake, stop with all that elitistic crap or I'm going to puke! From what my limited knowledge (and I could also brag about my university but... I'm not even American! eek_2 ), you have an incredible good taste in food, furniture, cars, VIDEOGAMES, etc. and love to spend shitloads of money on them (so simple people can't get the same as you), that way you feel much more superior than we inferior beings... Your dick must be very small (yeah, easy joke but sorry, I couldn't resist).

Yeah, he chose the wrong ass to lick, you think yours would have been a much better choice? Come on, he just said "I agree", not that J is a God or something... oh_no I know you're not American, but does that mean I need to convert the monetary system to euros and pick out a posh Spanish restaurant?

You know what I'm saying. You know exactly what I'm saying because you did come to the US for a summer, right. So my examples shouldn't be too out of the ordinary.

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 03:51 PM
Tenshokyaku:
Sorry, I didn't realize being a complete asshole was a prerequisite for posting here. God forbid we do anything but insult each other, that's just gay! Insulting people is gay, but when you asskiss John "Hendrix" you're not gay?

Being a complete asshole isn't a prerequisite for posting here. I'm actually quite nice to people who are cool. Sorry you feel left out.

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 03:59 PM
EvilWasabi:

Morton's should have an Xtra value menu

Lambourghini should make a $50K "luxury" SUV

Dolce & Gabbana should merge with GAP and offer "reasonable" priced clothing for a wider audience.

Someone knows what I'm talking about. I just fear that I can't put these into simpler terms,,,

I know you're not American, but does that mean I need to convert the monetary system to euros and pick out a posh Spanish restaurant?

You know what I'm saying. You know exactly what I'm saying because you did come to the US for a summer, right. So my examples shouldn't be too out of the ordinary. I can't believe the discussion is arriving to this level...

I have no idea what a "Morton" is, but I understand it is a restaurant as you talk about a menu. Xtra value? What's that? An expensive one?

Lambourghini is an Italian car maker. I don't know what SUV stands for, but for 50K$ I'm not buying it for sure anyway.

Dolce & Gabanna sound like an Italian cloth firm. GAP should do more clothes. So do they need to make cheaper-but-yet-stylish clothing thus we people with no taste nor money can dress properly? Give me a break...

Yeah, I was in USA and excuse me if I didn't spend my time in all the fancy stores and restaurants, I actually came for studying and enrolled at the Pitt University.

My comment was that I could have bragged about my University grades, but they are from an university in Barcelona so I guess then it isn't even worth it.

ResO
07-11-2003, 04:01 PM
There isn't going to be a way to solve these arguments regarding aes/mvs and new hardware. Yes, next gen systems are impressive, but good graphics doesn't necessarily meen better replay value (I suppose this goes the same way with older systems too, but i've had better luck with my neo than my gamecube or Dreamcast wink ). What keeps me going when it comes down to the neo, is the fact the old hardware is still releasing new software to this date. I mean, if it was anounced that a new game were coming to the nes this summer, wouldn't some of you check it out? There's just that special something about being able to play NAM 1975 and SvC Chaos on the same motherboard...

Just remember, if a friend ever tries to compare their PS2 games to your aes carts, it all boils down to the fact that yours is bigger :cool:

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 04:07 PM
Oh man...

Ok.

SUV = sport utility vehicle.

(I can't believe I'm explaining this)

Xtra Value menu = go to McDonalds and you'll see they have a bunch of items on an Xtra Value menu for cheap.

Dolce & Gabbana? Spare me. You're definitely kidding here. Italian clothier indeed. They have a cheaper line "D&G" which most people still can't buy, but seriously, looks incredibly good (on me).

Mortons - there is a Mortons in downtown Pittsburgh. Excellent stake, and everything is usually very well presented. Not the greatest restaurant, but I figured a name people would pick up on, since they have locations in most major cities in the US. riiight. Honestly, if I wanted to get real elitist, I'd talk about a dinner for 2 at Tantra in South Beach, Miami.

My, how we're learning so much about each other today.


Amano Jacu:

EvilWasabi:

Morton's should have an Xtra value menu

Lambourghini should make a $50K "luxury" SUV

Dolce & Gabbana should merge with GAP and offer "reasonable" priced clothing for a wider audience.

Someone knows what I'm talking about. I just fear that I can't put these into simpler terms,,,

I know you're not American, but does that mean I need to convert the monetary system to euros and pick out a posh Spanish restaurant?

You know what I'm saying. You know exactly what I'm saying because you did come to the US for a summer, right. So my examples shouldn't be too out of the ordinary. I can't believe the discussion is arriving to this level...

I have no idea what a "Morton" is, but I understand it is a restaurant as you talk about a menu. Xtra value? What's that? An expensive one?

Lambourghini is an Italian car maker. I don't know what SUV stands for, but for 50K$ I'm not buying it for sure anyway.

Dolce & Gabanna sound like an Italian cloth firm. GAP should do more clothes. So do they need to make cheaper-but-yet-stylish clothing thus we people with no taste nor money can dress properly? Give me a break...

Yeah, I was in USA and excuse me if I didn't spend my time in all the fancy stores and restaurants, I actually came for studying and enrolled at the Pitt University.

My comment was that I could have bragged about my University grades, but they are from an university in Barcelona so I guess then it isn't even worth it.

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 04:17 PM
EvilWasabi:
Oh man...

Ok.

SUV = sport utility vehicle.

(I can't believe I'm explaining this)

Xtra Value menu = go to McDonalds and you'll see they have a bunch of items on an Xtra Value menu for cheap.

Dolce & Gabbana? Spare me. You're definitely kidding here. Italian clothier indeed. They have a cheaper line "D&G" which most people still can't buy, but seriously, looks incredibly good (on me).

Mortons - there is a Mortons in downtown Pittsburgh. Excellent stake, and everything is usually very well presented. Not the greatest restaurant, but I figured a name people would pick up on, since they have locations in most major cities in the US. riiight. Honestly, if I wanted to get real elitist, I'd talk about a dinner for 2 at Tantra in South Beach, Miami.

My, how we're learning so much about each other today.

Oh, thanks for enlightening me with a portion of your superior knowledge! Let me praise you, Master of the Good Taste!

As I said, excuse me if during my stay in your beloved country I prefered to buy some food in the Giant Eagle supermarket and cook it myself in the kitchen, instead of going to all that restaurants. Also forgive my ignorance of the English (third language for me) acronym SUV, and for lacking 50K$ to spend in a car. And about clothes... Well, my MOTHER actually has to force me on going with her to buy some when mine is geting to old.

Seriously, will I be called an ass-licker now?

xFinnPetersx
07-11-2003, 04:19 PM
EvilWasabi. You are euro-trash. you don't have above average taste. you have a very generalized expensive taste. and that's not taste. dolce & gabana has been around a long time as a clothing maker and their shit is expensive. does that mean their shit is the most hip shit out? no. it's just expensive and something that someone generalizing the super-expensive shit they do can reference. you're eurotrash. spending money on shit is cool if you have good taste and priorities, but you're just talking about wasting money and poseing. it's fine if that's your taste/opinions but you've gone beyond that and are just trying to prove yourself as someone who spends money.

Stop insulting people.

Gutter Trash!

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 10:45 PM: Message edited by: xFinnPetersx ]</small>

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 04:30 PM
EvilWasabi:

Rade Kuruc:
(HUGS) old chap!
Shito:

Fran:


the neo and its games are something that cant be replaced

no new hardware,no 3d bullshit,no high res sadness

if the neo must die,then so be it

kof and all the other series must die with it

it's that simple

i'm probably part of a minority,
weird considering this should be the place where NEO GEO FANS abound

but the world is full of fools 110% agreed

period Why isn't Shito called ass-lickers?

Charlie, I hope Rade was wearing a condom during that "hug"... glee

Yes, I know I'm falling as low as you, but you let me no other choice. Do you see how easy is to make things like this? When you need to use them is because you have run out of valid arguments. Think a bit.

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 04:34 PM: Message edited by: Amano Jacu ]</small>

dullbuoy
07-11-2003, 04:30 PM
EvilWasabi:
Mortons - there is a Mortons in downtown Pittsburgh. Excellent stake, and everything is usually very well presented.sample of excellent STAKE:
<img src="http://www.petrecovery.com/images/signpl7.jpg" alt=" - " />

xFinnPetersx
07-11-2003, 04:35 PM
dullbuoy:

EvilWasabi:
Mortons - there is a Mortons in downtown Pittsburgh. Excellent stake, and everything is usually very well presented.sample of excellent STAKE:
<img src="http://www.petrecovery.com/images/signpl7.jpg" alt=" - " /> that stake is mad tasty.

Amano Jacu
07-11-2003, 04:45 PM
OK, I'm going to have dinner now. Charlie, can you please grant me the honor of recommending me any good restaurant in Newcastle? Or should I just have a quick look at them all and eat the most expensive dish in the menu of the most expensive restaurant? Expensive=Best so I should be OK.

See you tomorrow.

Tenshokyaku
07-11-2003, 04:48 PM
EvilWasabi:

Tenshokyaku:
Sorry, I didn't realize being a complete asshole was a prerequisite for posting here. God forbid we do anything but insult each other, that's just gay! Insulting people is gay, but when you asskiss John "Hendrix" you're not gay?

Being a complete asshole isn't a prerequisite for posting here. I'm actually quite nice to people who are cool. Sorry you feel left out. I guess the sarcasm meter didn't register that one...

Tenshokyaku
07-11-2003, 05:02 PM
DangerousK:
Read through the thread you dumb fuck.

Second, don't be such an ass kisser?

I can smell the shit coming from your mouth all the way over here.

Loser. Have you gotten so mad at this that you've resorted to such witty posts? Look, you can have your opinions, that's all fine and good. But don't trash other people for expressing theirs. Especially when it's just about a damn video game.

If compliments automatically register as ass-kissing in your mind, then maybe it's time to re-evalutate your own relationships with people.

If statements made on this BBS anger you that much, perhaps you need to get out more?

It's a dead argument, so I will drop it now. But don't prance around like your shit don't stink, because opinions are like assholes...we all have them.

DangerousK
07-11-2003, 06:24 PM
Tenshokyaku:
Have you gotten so mad at this that you've resorted to such witty posts? Look, you can have your opinions, that's all fine and good. But don't trash other people for expressing theirs. Especially when it's just about a damn video game.

If compliments automatically register as ass-kissing in your mind, then maybe it's time to re-evalutate your own relationships with people.

If statements made on this BBS anger you that much, perhaps you need to get out more?

It's a dead argument, so I will drop it now. But don't prance around like your shit don't stink, because opinions are like assholes...we all have them. Ok, let me see if you can grasp this.

<a href="http://www.Neo-Geo.com" target="_blank">www.Neo-Geo.com</a>

DEDICATED TO SNK'S 16-BIT 2D SYSTEMS & GAMES

Read, rinse, and re-read.

Let it sink into your mind for a little bit.

Then perhaps you can understand why the die hard Neo fans are hostile towards those (Hendrix) and others who express wishes for new hardware (Atomiswave) or whatever else.

When you grasp the above that is in bold, then reply.

Otherwise don't say anything ok?

Simple as that.

dullbuoy
07-11-2003, 06:31 PM
DangerousK:
Ok, let me see if you can grasp this.

<a href="http://www.Neo-Geo.com" target="_blank">www.Neo-Geo.com</a>

DEDICATED TO SNK'S 16-BIT 2D SYSTEMS & GAMES

Read, rinse, and re-read.

Let it sink into your mind for a little bit.

Then perhaps you can understand why the die hard Neo fans are hostile towards those (Hendrix) and others who express wishes for new hardware (Atomiswave) or whatever else.

When you grasp the above that is in bold, then reply.

Otherwise don't say anything ok?

Simple as that. so then why is this on the site:
<a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=11;DaysPrune=30" target="_blank">hyper64 forum?</a>

X
07-11-2003, 06:40 PM
What the hell is wrong with CVS2? I love that game. Sure it has balance issue but if you are good enough you can still whoop a team of Bison, Ehonda, and Blank with one Dhalsim. I do not like the 3d backdrops much by the game is a blast to play. So much variety, so many characters to choose from, while playing online you do not have to play against the CPU all the time (something the Neo can not let you do) what is the problem with this game? It is really fun! Please tell me what people do not like about the game play. I like it and do not see anything really wrong with it. Please enlighten me to you opinions.

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 06:42 PM
DangerousK:
Yes but just because you can't stop playing it does not mean it is good.

Christ, what don't you understand about this. Just because you think it is good does not mean it is good. It's shit game. The only people who like this game are next gen n00bs.

Ok, so you play the game a lot even after all this time and you think that it is the sign of a good game. I also play Back to the Future for the NES a lot. Get my point?
Funny, as I see it the basic criteria for something being a good game is something that keeps you coming back to play it over time.

If you play Back To the Future on the NES a lot then you must think it's a good game, unless you're insane and just like to play bad games all the time.

As for the game beign good or not, well it's called an opinion. I can make sweeping generalizations about it saying "the only people who don't like it are stupid oldschool Neo Fanboys who can't stand the fact that the best looking sprites of SNK characters were drawn by Capcom."


DangerousK:
Yes there are Neo fighters that are inferior to it in terms of gameplay, but keep in mind they were out long before GGXX ever came out so they didn't have the luxury of borrowing from the fighters that were done properly. Rest assured, the Neo fighters that are better than GGXX obliterate the game. Every 2D fighter fanatic I ever spoke to said the same thing to me. GGXX is a shit game for the mainstream wankers who have never heard of the King of Fighters or Last Blade or whatever the fuck else. And dude, all you do is bring up the graphics. Who GIVES A FUCK OK? Like whoever mentioned it earlier is correct in saying the art of GGXX is tired. It is old, it's been seen before, it's not fresh. The Last Blade for example has art that puts GGXX to shame. Wow so the games that are better than GGX2 on the Neo are miles better than GGX2. A little redundant aren't you?

I'll whole heartedly admit that I'd rather play KOF98 or MOTW over GGX2. No lie, they play better. I'm not such a blind/biased fanboy to say the graphics are better because they're just not. Of course this is an opinion but like I said ask a bunch of gamers what they think and see what happens. Ohhh no that's mainstream, well I'll get to that in a second.

BTW, GGX2's characters are friggin original, I mean what you want to talk about LB2. Lets look at Kaede for a second, can you say DRAGON BALL Z? Fuckin-a watch the PSX intro of the game, he went SuperSayajin for gods sake. oh_no

Sol Badguy is your typical anime badass, but at least they gave him some good back story and some good art. There's characters like Ino, Mary, Faust, Axel, etc that are just kick ass characters you don't normally see in a fighting game.


DangerousK:
That's fine, but if you want to watch as each game franchise is bastardized due to it, then don't complain when everything goes wrong if indeed it does go to high res and so forth. The Neo can do a lot more than you give it credit for. Go play Ryuko no Ken Gaiden.
Ok I'm sorry, we're on an American BBS and speak English, Lord knows what game you're referencing, I'm guessing AOF?

As for the Neo being able to do more, maybe it could if it was 1996 and there were still 68k Assembly programmers. But they've moved on with the rest of the videogame world and don't use that stuff anymore.

Modern developers use C or an equivalent language with minor assembly thrown in, not like the Neo which is the other way around.


DangerousK:
Yes, but keep in mind the majority of the civilized world has been proven to be stupid time and time again.
Almost getting to that, just gimme a minute....


DangerousK:
Just out of curiosity, what Neo games do you play that are before 1998?
Not too many, I'm not even familiar with the dates out side of KOF, but I think LB1 was before 98, but I play LB2 more. MD3 may be before 98 which I play a lot of, as well as some KOF96 and some of the Real Bouts, but yeah I'd say it's a safe bet that the overwhelming majority of what I play was made in 98 or after.


DangerousK:
oh_no

Oh shit man, I can't believe you said that.

Please don't exhibit anymore blatant stupidity.

So because the majority thinks GTA 3 and GTA Vice City are great games suddenly makes it so?

STFU ok?

If I want to listen to dumb shit, I'll go join GameFAQs.
Funny, why didn't you quote the second half of that, but since you don't want to I'll do it for you.

"And because they are videogames, that makes the majority right. This isn't politics, this isn't good vs. evil or some question of moral or ethical values that society must decide upon, this is videogames.

I'm all for the minority fighting for a just cause if say the majority of people were advocating racial discrimination, but in the case of videogames it comes down to dealing with a product that goes into market.

Welcome to Capitalism 101, whatever the majority of consumers want is the right thing for your company to produce."


That is why the majority is always right, Videogames are PRODUCTS to be enjoyed. Its not a product that can harm people in any way, it doesn't require regulation, it's purely for entertainment purposes. Therefore what the majority of people want is the correct thing for a company to produce.

Hence it looks like SNK Playmore is going to make games on Atomiswave, cause they realize that they can make more money and get more fans because of it.

And please, just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not a good game. I dont' like GTA3 or Vice City but I won't deny that they're good games. If you can make a game that manages to sell millions and millions of copies for months on end and have those people testify every day that they love those games and play them all the time, well it's kind of hard to deny that the developers didn't produce something worth playing, even if it's not your cup of tea.


DangerousK:
Wow....perhaps one game out every 200 or so. Great ratio there. Chrono Cross sucks cock BTW, it was a disappointment compared to Chrono Trigger.One in 200? Good god you are blind, There are so many great games, sure there is more crap but there are still more A+ titles coming out now than there were in the 16bit era. Hell even the Neo library isn't perfect. How many crappy 2D platformers were there on the NES/SNES/Genesis/Neo? More than enough.

BTW, Chrono Cross is awesome. It's not as great as the original which is still one of the greatest RPG's of all time. I got all 14 endings in the first game and all 11 in the second one and I enjoyed every damn second of it.


DangerousK:
It doesn't have anything to do with nostalgia. 2D games had more heart put into them than current 3D stuff does. Yes I've grown out of video games somewhat, I don't deny that. I don't have the time to play them that I once did. But I can still comment on what is a good game and what is bad. Next gen stuff has its merits to some degree, but at the end of it, it is not really all that it is cracked up to be.

Whatever though.You think the 2D stuff had more love to it? That's your opinion, but it's definitely not mine. I have too many great "next gen" games to even remotely think that's true and I only keep games that I deem are good enough to own for pretty much the rest of my life.

DangerousK:

It doesn't matter at the end of it because you believe you are right about certain things. I don't really care if you ever see my point of view. Doesn't much matter to me. I'm not going to try and get you to change your mind, no desire to. Think whatever pleases you, but always remember majority does not mean it is right as much AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO THINK IT DOES. Yeah pretty much the same thing, I can't really convince you otherwise from your opinion nor do I care how different it is from mine.

But as I pointed out before as far as videogames go, the majority is by definition right, because it exists in an open/free market where the majority of consumers ultimately determines what will be produced. If they decided to go in a direction that you don't agree with then that means that you either have to move with them and play the few titles you like or just stop playing new games all together.

BTW, hope you don't take any real offense to this, you're still invited to my place for the NJ get-together I'm having in August. :D

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 06:45 PM
dullbuoy:

DangerousK:
Ok, let me see if you can grasp this.

<a href="http://www.Neo-Geo.com" target="_blank">www.Neo-Geo.com</a>

DEDICATED TO SNK'S 16-BIT 2D SYSTEMS & GAMES

Read, rinse, and re-read.

Let it sink into your mind for a little bit.

Then perhaps you can understand why the die hard Neo fans are hostile towards those (Hendrix) and others who express wishes for new hardware (Atomiswave) or whatever else.

When you grasp the above that is in bold, then reply.

Otherwise don't say anything ok?

Simple as that. so then why is this on the site:
<a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=11;DaysPrune=30" target="_blank">hyper64 forum?</a> DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT! I've been WAITING to post that! Oh well, not only do we have a Hyper64 forum but also a NGPC section and if I remember correctly that's an 8-bit system. :p

SNK's 128bit games....mmmm the future looks incredible. :D

Kid Aphex
07-11-2003, 06:56 PM
JHendrix:

dullbuoy:

DangerousK:
Ok, let me see if you can grasp this.

<a href="http://www.Neo-Geo.com" target="_blank">www.Neo-Geo.com</a>

DEDICATED TO SNK'S 16-BIT 2D SYSTEMS & GAMES

Read, rinse, and re-read.

Let it sink into your mind for a little bit.

Then perhaps you can understand why the die hard Neo fans are hostile towards those (Hendrix) and others who express wishes for new hardware (Atomiswave) or whatever else.

When you grasp the above that is in bold, then reply.

Otherwise don't say anything ok?

Simple as that. so then why is this on the site:
<a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=11;DaysPrune=30" target="_blank">hyper64 forum?</a> DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT! I've been WAITING to post that! Oh well, not only do we have a Hyper64 forum but also a NGPC section and if I remember correctly that's an 8-bit system. :p

SNK's 128bit games....mmmm the future looks incredible. :D Actually, it looks mediocre at best.
I think that's what people are trying to get across to you.

Playmore doesn't seem capable of anything original. So what if its 3d? 3D KOF2001 would still be a re-hash with polygons.

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 06:58 PM
Kid Aphex:

JHendrix:

dullbuoy:

DangerousK:
Ok, let me see if you can grasp this.

<a href="http://www.Neo-Geo.com" target="_blank">www.Neo-Geo.com</a>

DEDICATED TO SNK'S 16-BIT 2D SYSTEMS & GAMES

Read, rinse, and re-read.

Let it sink into your mind for a little bit.

Then perhaps you can understand why the die hard Neo fans are hostile towards those (Hendrix) and others who express wishes for new hardware (Atomiswave) or whatever else.

When you grasp the above that is in bold, then reply.

Otherwise don't say anything ok?

Simple as that. so then why is this on the site:
<a href="http://www.neo-geo.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=11;DaysPrune=30" target="_blank">hyper64 forum?</a> DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT! I've been WAITING to post that! Oh well, not only do we have a Hyper64 forum but also a NGPC section and if I remember correctly that's an 8-bit system. :p

SNK's 128bit games....mmmm the future looks incredible. :D Actually, it looks mediocre at best.
I think that's what people are trying to get across to you.

Playmore doesn't seem capable of anything original. So what if its 3d? 3D KOF2001 would still be a re-hash with polygons. I could give two shits about KOF2k1 w/ 3D BG's, I'm more happy about the fact that there is a 3D KOF coming out for PS2, at least it'll be something different.

And if SNK is producing games for the Atomiswave, especially 2D fighters, then it'll be real damn nice to see something original coming to the KOF series in 2D.

Kid Aphex
07-11-2003, 07:01 PM
JHendrix:
I could give two shits about KOF2k1 w/ 3D BG's, I'm more happy about the fact that there is a 3D KOF coming out for PS2, at least it'll be something different.

And if SNK is producing games for the Atomiswave, especially 2D fighters, then it'll be real damn nice to see something original coming to the KOF series in 2D. \

I was more or less referring to the fact that KOF2001 was probly the worst of the series; and along with that and the recycle-center that was KOF2002---Playmore has SHIT under their belt.

What the fuck makes you think they can pull of ANYTHING on a high-powered 2D system like the atomiswave---LET ALONE a 3D system like the PS2?

JHendrix
07-11-2003, 07:08 PM
Kid Aphex:

JHendrix:
I could give two shits about KOF2k1 w/ 3D BG's, I'm more happy about the fact that there is a 3D KOF coming out for PS2, at least it'll be something different.

And if SNK is producing games for the Atomiswave, especially 2D fighters, then it'll be real damn nice to see something original coming to the KOF series in 2D. \

I was more or less referring to the fact that KOF2001 was probly the worst of the series; and along with that and the recycle-center that was KOF2002---Playmore has SHIT under their belt.

What the fuck makes you think they can pull of ANYTHING on a high-powered 2D system like the atomiswave---LET ALONE a 3D system like the PS2? If they're on another system they don't have to code in assembly anymore, and aside from the graphics Playmore hasn't done very much recycling. Gameplay in 2k1 is pretty tight, although I prefer 2k2's speed.

They're both nothing compared to 98, but they're still pretty good.

I say put them on something where they DON'T HAVE ANY MORE LIMITATIONS and then we can see how they do!

SNKJorge
07-11-2003, 08:15 PM
KOF'95&gt;GGXX

FeelGood
07-11-2003, 08:18 PM
Amano Jacu:

EvilWasabi:

Rade Kuruc:
(HUGS) old chap!
Shito:

Fran:


the neo and its games are something that cant be replaced

no new hardware,no 3d bullshit,no high res sadness

if the neo must die,then so be it

kof and all the other series must die with it

it's that simple

i'm probably part of a minority,
weird considering this should be the place where NEO GEO FANS abound

but the world is full of fools 110% agreed

period Why isn't Shito called ass-lickers?

Charlie, I hope Rade was wearing a condom during that "hug"... glee

Yes, I know I'm falling as low as you, but you let me no other choice. Do you see how easy is to make things like this? When you need to use them is because you have run out of valid arguments. Think a bit. Both Shito and Rade have established themselves and their personalities long before agreeing with what is right. Of course, when you agree with someone who is wrong, you're more likely of being an asskisser - otherwise, you're right. But not in the case of Tenshokyaku.

As for your restaurant, you should hit Burger King. It's affordable. :rolleyes: At least that's the impression you're giving me.

And to whoever called me eurotrash - that was really funny. Care to explain what Eurotrash is?

Someone who doesn't like fat people?

Someone who doesn't like people that don't take care of their bodies and care about how they look in public?

Someone who cares about the quality of his furniture, the location of his home, and the people he associates with IRL?

Seriously praytell what eurotrash is. Because in any light I can imagine, it's as close to racism as anti-nationalism can get. wink

Loopz
07-11-2003, 08:22 PM
Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadies.......

C'mon man. Let's let these fucking vaporware projects come out first so we can THEN start bitching about 'em. The simple fact here is that MVS/AES is one day, sooner than later, going to die. That's it. Let's enjoy what comes out, and not rush it to the grave.

If they make a game on Atomiswave/Naomi/Jenna Jameson's giant clitoris, I don't fucking care.
If it's as good as the old shit (yeah, doubtful) then I'll be all over it like Terry Tate. If not, I'll be with all the diehards here bitching about it. The facts are as follows:

SNK/Playmore/Marvin's Asshole (whatever their name is this week) has never made a decent 3D game.

Most of the artists/creators of the best SNK games in existence are NO LONGER with the company.

Therefore, people here have a right to be skeptical about the development of a KOF3D. But spending this much time bitching about something we haven't seen one pic or real morsel of info on...chill the fuck out y'all. Play some KOF'98, or go to the strip club and get some titties in your face. Drink a beer and shaddap.

SNKJorge
07-11-2003, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by Fran:


the neo and its games are something that cant be replaced

no new hardware,no 3d bullshit,no high res sadness

if the neo must die,then so be it

kof and all the other series must die with it

it's that simple

i'm probably part of a minority,
weird considering this should be the place where NEO GEO FANS abound

but the world is full of fools
I couldn't agree with you more. This is going
on my SIG. glee

Devil_Gans
07-11-2003, 08:37 PM
Ok, just done reading 8 pages of crap.I still see people bringing GGXX into the picture, calling it "shit" when talking about playmore moving to a new hardware.Same old tired "arguments".Very lame...
Bah!
I was expecting something better.
It's a good game(not the greatest BTW) by all means and it plays good.So there.


:rolleyes:

Rade K
07-11-2003, 08:44 PM
Amano Jacu:

EvilWasabi:

Rade Kuruc:
(HUGS) old chap!
Shito:

Fran:


the neo and its games are something that cant be replaced

no new hardware,no 3d bullshit,no high res sadness

if the neo must die,then so be it

kof and all the other series must die with it

it's that simple

i'm probably part of a minority,
weird considering this should be the place where NEO GEO FANS abound

but the world is full of fools 110% agreed

period Why isn't Shito called ass-lickers?

Charlie, I hope Rade was wearing a condom during that "hug"... glee

Yes, I know I'm falling as low as you, but you let me no other choice. Do you see how easy is to make things like this? When you need to use them is because you have run out of valid arguments. Think a bit. Call Shito and me ass lickers, but we happen to share the same sentiments as Chuck and Fran. I happen to love what people make on the Neo. I love the style. I wish they would put certain franchises to death, but that doesnt mean they need new hardware to do it. I want to see the hardware challenged for years to come. IN 1996, they made the best looking Neo game with ~300 megs. COuld you imagine what would be possible today given the effort? So much is possible on this machine. We just need fresh thinkers.

YOu can't call me an ass kisser. I made my own points and shared my unique view on the situation. It just happens to agree with a certain camp on this board we call Neo-Geo.com.

So, you know, just to put it in perspective; The Neo Geo is like a dream machine. To endure 3 generations of hardware and still be able to compete is amazing. I love 16 bit graphics. Love them.

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: Rade Kuruc ]</small>

SonGohan
07-11-2003, 09:16 PM
Rade Kuruc:
IN 1996, they made the best looking Neo game with ~300 megs. COuld you imagine what would be possible today given the effort? So much is possible on this machine. We just need fresh thinkers.
Man, this is so true. I'll take it 2 years back to 1994 with Samurai Shodown 2. I must've said this plenty of times on the board, but shit - that is hands down the best use of 202 megs I've ever seen. I hate to be one of those guys who constantly kisses SS2's ass, but this is one of the best examples of this. With the sizes they can work with now, they really and honestly could pull off some impressive stuff nowadays, and I'm not talking just graphics wise. Better graphics, better sound, better controls, better gameplay. Man, they really could do this if they put the effort.

Some people say that they don't have enough time to do stuff like this, but what about the days when they were cranking out games left and right? Simultaneously releasing AOF, FF, and SS games just to name a few. They aren't bringing us a heap load of games like they used to, so you'd think they'd have all the time in the world to work on something fresh.

New hardware would be nice, I'd be willing to accept it if they were creative with it, but the MVS isn't some ancient piece of hardware that's incapable of pulling off brilliant stuff. On either hardware (new, or MVS), it's all about being fresh, creative, and putting a lot of elbow grease into making some of the games that made us fall in love with SNK in the early 90s in the first place.

Fygee
07-11-2003, 09:27 PM
Just curious. Have any of the people here who are totally against progress even played the two 3D Samurai Shodown games on the HNG64? I can tell you right now that those two games are extremely awesome, and are a prime example of how a 3D fighter should be done, and if you haven't played them, you're missing out. I get a feeling that Playmore could do the same thing with KOF.

the_colonel
07-11-2003, 09:56 PM
Son gohan said[/qb][/QUOTE]Man, this is so true. I'll take it 2 years back to 1994 with Samurai Shodown 2. I must've said this plenty of times on the board, but shit - that is hands down the best use of 202 megs I've ever seen. I hate to be one of those guys who constantly kisses SS2's ass, but this is one of the best examples of this. With the sizes they can work with now, they really and honestly could pull off some impressive stuff nowadays, and I'm not talking just graphics wise. Better graphics, better sound, better controls, better gameplay. Man, they really could do this if they put the effort.
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I couldnt agree more, so many features with great animation & a wealth of attacks to boot.
When you think about it, snk left there best franchises at great peaks with ss4, lb2, motw, ms3 & kof, except kof carried on.
The damage will be done when they release these titles, if they screw them up then snk/playmore is finished... so lets hope they can still work there magic. They should still make killer games out of there best selling brands, they've had about 2 years head start in making the above title sequels/prequels & all they have made so far is kof 01 & 02, which the hard work went into making 99 really. So they've had plenty of time to reshape there best titles. Best to just wait & see.

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: the_colonel ]</small>

Hikaru Ichijyo
07-11-2003, 10:00 PM
Cut + Paste what Loopz posted here but a few extra thoughts...

While I'm not one for 3D fighters anyway, after playing the likes of FF: Wild Ambition and SS: Warrior's Rage I'd have to say that IMO I'm rather skeptical that SNK Playmore could pull off a 3D KOF that'd be worth a shit. Then again I think if people were to concede there being such a game, they'd want it to look top notch like the stuff we're used to seeing from Sega and Namco.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing a 3D KOF truth be told but I'd be afraid that while I wanted it too look on par with the likes of Virtua Fighter 4, I'd get something more resembling Criticom or War Gods. loco At the very least if they wanted to make a 3D KOF, they should hit up Capcom and borrow the team who did Rival Schools or something.

As for the whole "redone with 3D poly backgrounds" thing...to me that's just a waste of time and resources. The characters do stand out on the 3D backgrounds but I just never got annoyed by it to the point where I couldn't play games like MvC2, CvS2, or KOF 99 Evo on DC.

Speaking of CvS2, I've long held the notion that the vibe it and the first CvS give me was that they were slap together efforts on Capcom's part. Hell, the black and white arrows in the first one and the rampant rehash of sprites in both games are clear examples (if I had nickel for every person who thought Morrigan's sprite looked so out of place).

Don't get me wrong, I like Capcom fighters, but I didn't have much faith in them to faithfully produce a balanced game that successfully melded the two fighting universes together given the amount of time there was from the initial announcement up to the first CvS's release. That didn't stop me from buying and playing either though :) . If anything as I've stated in the SNK vs. Capcom forum, I would have left the "balanced gameplay" version up to SNK and have Capcom do an over the top style game similar to their other Vs. series of games.

In regards to the whole Atomiswave thing...I'm not sure if I wanna go down this path LOL. Being a sucker for nice crisp graphics would probably lump me in the "graphic whores" pool on here. Just IMHO though, them dropping the MVS cold turkey in favor of the Atomiswave doesn't sound all that pleasing. At the very least I'd rather they dual develop for both systems, using the Atomis to tinker with and experiment with gaming for the "mainstream" they're trying to regain a foothold in so they can get some of the phatty revenue that's to be had (yes I know at the expense of whoring out the franchises we all know and love but I'd hazard to make the argument that all of their "peers" in the industry do it too and they're just going with the flow).

Nick Goracke
07-11-2003, 10:04 PM
DangerousK:
Wow....perhaps one game out every 200 or so. Great ratio there. Even implying that the ratio has changed much from 15 years ago is funny. Funnier is the idea that people even pay attention to it - if you're bright enough, you'll wade through the chaff and get to the good stuff. And commenting on "soul" in games is just a convenient way of not saying "nostalgia".

But back to the topic at hand...

The Neo-Geo is stuck in a time warp. And I like it, if for nothing more than variety's sake. For me, it doesn't matter how much more sense it would make to move to new hardware - I don't need more games with that new school feel. I'd much rather hold out hope that the next release could be *good* and capture that 16-bit soul (read: nostalgia).

It's not "right". I don't care, either (and have no problem admitting it). It's the last link we have left, and I'd prefer to keep it that way. There's already so many sources for the newer goods...

Evil Wasabi
07-11-2003, 10:14 PM
everyone in here likes cock except me.

and the problem is, neogeo doesnt suck, kof sucks.

the graphics were horrible in 94, theyre horrible today, and im not talking outside standards either. i'm talking about neo standards.

put ss3, rbffs, or aof3 next to any kof. youd think kof was on different hardware. its such shit.

the neo isnt dead, but developers enthusiasm is.

new hardware could give them the mental boost needed to get some great graphics and some new game play elements going.

theyve fallen into a rut with the neo, and theyre going to keep on going with it if you people keep buying.

if kof2k2, or maybe it should have happened with 2k1, didnt sell worth a shit, it might give them a wake up call, but the problem is they play too good, and people keep buying.

snk has actually put gameplay before graphics, but in this case, only because its easier.

xFinnPetersx
07-11-2003, 11:12 PM
EvilWasabi
And to whoever called me eurotrash - that was really funny. Care to explain what Eurotrash is?

Someone who doesn't like fat people?

Someone who doesn't like people that don't take care of their bodies and care about how they look in public?

Someone who cares about the quality of his furniture, the location of his home, and the people he associates with IRL?

Seriously praytell what eurotrash is. Because in any light I can imagine, it's as close to racism as anti-nationalism can get. wink that was me. i was pretty irratated when i wrote that post. but now i don't really care. i think i was mainly mad because i used to read and enjoy your posts but your attack on people was somewhat uncalled for and displayed you for eurotrash.

now onto the term. i'm not gonna give you my thoughts on the subject (as i feel you still backed up the definition with those stupid example retorical questions) but i'll let you read what shitty urbandictionary.com <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=eurotrash" target="_blank">has to say about it</a> . there you go. have fun with that.

onto the comment being "anti-nationalistic"... by that i think you mean xenophobic... but yeah. no it is not that and it isn't close to racism. it is a slur definetely, but it doesn't refer to a certain european population just a social group and it's derivatives. it was appropriately used and not for enflamatory reasons (i.e.: i wasn't provoking you)... i was just stating how you struck me (slightly angry... but stating none the less).

so yeah don't act like you don't know the term just to try and make an ass out of me. and don't imply that i am racist or xenophobic because i am neither. you know what eurotrash means, and you may well fit the stereotypical eurotrash archetype.

peace out dude

P.S.:hey man did wizard yagami use the same avatar as you... maybe it was him i used to respect & be slightly entertained by, or maybe not.

<small>[ July 11, 2003, 11:29 PM: Message edited by: xFinnPetersx ]</small>

Loopz
07-12-2003, 12:13 AM
everyone in here likes cock except me.

and the problem is, neogeo doesnt suck, kof sucks.

the graphics were horrible in 94, theyre horrible today, and im not talking outside standards either. i'm talking about neo standards.

put ss3, rbffs, or aof3 next to any kof. youd think kof was on different hardware. its such shit. KoF'94 still has some of the nicest BG's of any Neo game. And as for the rest of the series, well, all the games you mentioned have very few characters compared to KoF. Something has to give. I'll put '96 up against any other Neo game of similar meg size...still a beautiful fucking game that stacks up to anything else on the machine.

LWK
07-12-2003, 12:43 AM
xFinnPetersx:

EvilWasabi
And to whoever called me eurotrash - that was really funny. Care to explain what Eurotrash is?

Someone who doesn't like fat people?

Someone who doesn't like people that don't take care of their bodies and care about how they look in public?

Someone who cares about the quality of his furniture, the location of his home, and the people he associates with IRL?

Seriously praytell what eurotrash is. Because in any light I can imagine, it's as close to racism as anti-nationalism can get. wink that was me. i was pretty irratated when i wrote that post. but now i don't really care. i think i was mainly mad because i used to read and enjoy your posts but your attack on people was somewhat uncalled for and displayed you for eurotrash.

now onto the term. i'm not gonna give you my thoughts on the subject (as i feel you still backed up the definition with those stupid example retorical questions) but i'll let you read what shitty urbandictionary.com <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=eurotrash" target="_blank">has to say about it</a> . there you go. have fun with that.

onto the comment being "anti-nationalistic"... by that i think you mean xenophobic... but yeah. no it is not that and it isn't close to racism. it is a slur definetely, but it doesn't refer to a certain european population just a social group and it's derivatives. it was appropriately used and not for enflamatory reasons (i.e.: i wasn't provoking you)... i was just stating how you struck me (slightly angry... but stating none the less).

so yeah don't act like you don't know the term just to try and make an ass out of me. and don't imply that i am racist or xenophobic because i am neither. you know what eurotrash means, and you may well fit the stereotypical eurotrash archetype.

peace out dude

P.S.:hey man did wizard yagami use the same avatar as you... maybe it was him i used to respect & be slightly entertained by, or maybe not. For the simple fact that "Euro" and "Trash" are found in the word itself shows thats definately racist.
I am 100% European and I dont take that comment well.

There is no way to "appropriately" use a word like that. Its on the same horizon as any other slur. So its not racist to defame all of europe as a people?

BoriquaSNK
07-12-2003, 01:07 AM
Jesus, these threads get out of control sometimes.

First off, do you guys really think SNK Playmore is gonna drop the MVS anytime soon? The MVS will forever be the hardware of puzzle games and sprites...as the new company embraces the mainstream and tries its very hardest to carve a niche into the world Electronic Arts, Nintendo, Sega, Namco, and Sony have left them, I have full faith in SNK Playmore. This is a NEW company rising from the ashes of a dead, arrogant legend.

My first experience with the Neo Geo was in February of 92 with Art of Fighting when I was a lil kid, I reached my senior year of highschool and bought myself an AES, and as I now begin my second year of college I recently christened a 2-slot mvs cabinet in my basement. I grew up with the Neo Geo, it was my dream to have one ever since I was nine years old...

...so yes, it will be hard to see the new company making games for another system.

...but I'll still play them. I was half dissapointed when I had to buy SOnic Adventure for my Game Cube...but I still played it and I still loved it.

To shun the ambitions of a company that is trying to keep this hobby we all share alive is wrong. You can bitch and whine and complain about SNK Playmore all you want but the fact is they are doing the impossible, they are literally reincarnating and simultaneously formally burying a legend, and for that they should be thanked. The Neo Geo wasn't around forever, SNK made games for other systems and they were still SNK games. So what if the newer games aren't up to the same standards as the old ones? If the OLD SNK were still around, a lot of the forum members would still be complaining that they've "lost their touch" or "they've sold out."

Fran and Too_Short, I see where you guys are coming from...and I agree to an extent. But if these games die with the Neo, then thats it...they're gone. There's no where else to play them and they'll die in obscurity, like Chrystalis did.

In America, the Neo Geo is a big red machine that can usually be found in the corner of a laundromat or bowling alley with at least three broken buttons and bubble-gum jammed into the memory card slot. Is that how you want it to die?

Give the new company time. Let them put their name on store shelves again. Let them introduce a whole new generation of gamers (who aren't old bitter and stubborn) to what a REAL game looks like.

Let SNK Playmore do there job, and the Neo Geo will back stronger than ever.

BoriquaSNK
07-12-2003, 01:11 AM
over here in the states, eurotrash isn't a bad word and has no racist connotations...don't accuse someone of bigotry without understanding what the man said. In Europe, the word "America" itself is practically considered a bad word.

I don't mean to sound rude...I just know what it feels like to be discriminated against.

<small>[ July 12, 2003, 01:14 AM: Message edited by: BoriquaSNK ]</small>

Evil Wasabi
07-12-2003, 01:28 AM
Loopz:

everyone in here likes cock except me.

and the problem is, neogeo doesnt suck, kof sucks.

the graphics were horrible in 94, theyre horrible today, and im not talking outside standards either. i'm talking about neo standards.

put ss3, rbffs, or aof3 next to any kof. youd think kof was on different hardware. its such shit. KoF'94 still has some of the nicest BG's of any Neo game. And as for the rest of the series, well, all the games you mentioned have very few characters compared to KoF. Something has to give. I'll put '96 up against any other Neo game of similar meg size...still a beautiful fucking game that stacks up to anything else on the machine. damn so far you and songonad are the only ones really keeping this topic without the flames.

i definately agree. all kof games, on their own LOOK and PLAY fantastically, which is why everyone loves them.

the biggest problem is how long can we love them(meaning new releases following the trend of 2k1 2k2 etc.)? theres only so much you can do with it as it is, and short of rehash after rehash, it would be nice for a complete rehaul and trimmed cast with a new team or two. it could get the creativity flowing over at snk and we'll get something new for once.

(personally i like 2001. i think it plays very 'new' and fresh, i like the wires, and i even dig the bg's and bgm's)

all in all i just want a new, non rehash kof, neo or not i dont really give a shit, and 2d.

but thats not to say i wont buy kof 3d either...if its like samsho64 and not sfex.

and sf3 ts is the best street fighter.

and i think i need to play 94 more. i can only vaguely remember the bg's and while the conecpts were nice, the coloring afaik wasnt so nice in a few.

<small>[ July 12, 2003, 01:30 AM: Message edited by: sonic1687 ]</small>

BoriquaSNK
07-12-2003, 01:45 AM
Yeah, I like 2001, too. In all honesty its one of my favorites.

As for a new KOF, why don't they trim down the teams to six, 4 classic, 2 new ones, and maybe a secret team. That way they could do the graphic overhaul people have been clamoring for and still bring the game back to its roots.

...maybe even Geese or Goenitz as the boss?

BC_Gambit
07-12-2003, 01:48 AM
I know this is the internet and all, but my opionions of some members of this board have been lowered substatially; I don't really care enough to dig for quotes.

It seems that some people (in the past) have complained about rehashes etc... and now the same people are complainging about the possibility of seeing something new?

What gives, aside from rampant retardation?

LWK
07-12-2003, 01:51 AM
BoriquaSNK:
over here in the states, eurotrash isn't a bad word and has no racist connotations...don't accuse someone of bigotry without understanding what the man said. In Europe, the word "America" itself is practically considered a bad word.

I don't mean to sound rude...I just know what it feels like to be discriminated against. I know that very well. I went through it as a child, and in middle school and even high school.
When you've had it thrown at you, it sticks worse when you hear it again.

America isnt considered a bad word in all of europe, depends where you are. I know in southern europe there is no real hatred toward americans.
Same with Italy. Its actually a pretty open environment. True, there are some people who dislike americans, but what can you do about those people other then ignore there ignorance.

First off, what the "man" said is not a tasteful term. Since its been pissed through the media, some people believe its justified because of that.
Things become "okay" in certain circles if said enough.

It all comes down to the person. Regardless of area.
Its like the term "redneck" or "hick" to me. I even think its more direct because the word "trash" is included.
I dislike it and would rather not see it on here.

Thats the messed up thing with racism, it doesnt only hit the person your insulting, but everyone around who also fits the description of any kind of slur.

I got nothing against him for saying it, I know its not a life or death thing. I am just stressing that its something I dislike hearing.

BoriquaSNK
07-12-2003, 01:57 AM
Lord Wolfgang Krauser:

BoriquaSNK:
over here in the states, eurotrash isn't a bad word and has no racist connotations...don't accuse someone of bigotry without understanding what the man said. In Europe, the word "America" itself is practically considered a bad word.

I don't mean to sound rude...I just know what it feels like to be discriminated against. I know that very well. I went through it as a child, and in middle school and even high school.
When you've had it thrown at you, it sticks worse when you hear it again.

America isnt considered a bad word in all of europe, depends where you are. I know in southern europe there is no real hatred toward americans.
Same with Italy. Its actually a pretty open environment. True, there are some people who dislike americans, but what can you do about those people other then ignore there ignorance.

First off, what the "man" said is not a tasteful term. Since its been pissed through the media, some people believe its justified because of that.
Things become "okay" in certain circles if said enough.

It all comes down to the person. Regardless of area.
Its like the term "redneck" or "hick" to me. I even think its more direct because the word "trash" is included.
I dislike it and would rather not see it on here.

Thats the messed up thing with racism, it doesnt only hit the person your insulting, but everyone around who also fits the description of any kind of slur.

I got nothing against him for saying it, I know its not a life or death thing. I am just stressing that its something I dislike hearing. Fair enough. :)

My apologies friend :D

chainsawyak
07-12-2003, 02:43 AM
Who cares?

The SS64 games are crap. You are not smarter than other people for having played them, the games are garbage, and if that's the best SNK can do in 3D than they can stop making games for all I care.

You people need to stop arguing about such useless bullshit. I was agreeing with Fran and Charlie for the most part until Charlie brought up pictures and money and intelligence... C'mon man, I know you're cooler than that. What is with that? You're not making good arguments..

Everyone has opinions, SNK is not going because if they do they will fail, you know you're right, so why not just let it be?Come to a get together some time and have a beer, it's a lot different than this internet bullshit.

Its really fucking late and I don't even know what I'm saying anymore.

xFinnPetersx
07-12-2003, 03:06 AM
ohh man. sorry to offend you. yeah i mean i'm glad you responded eloquently, and i see the problem with the word. i'm sure in some circles some words have edges that hurt and some places they do not. i hardly hear the word eurotrash and only used it because the way i see the word and the way EW was acting seemed synonomous to me. sorry that you understand the word differently. and i'm sorry to all other members from europe (as i know there are tons) who may not enjoy this term.

even though, i still do not believe that eurotrash in the way i would use it would be harmful. but everyone doesn't share definitions. i'm pretty unaffected and aloof so i'm not a hateful american or something who's gotten wrapped up in world matters (also known as the blown out reports via international news) and has turned xenophobic. i've spent two short stays in europe and loved what i saw of the countries i visited, so i mean no harm. (i spent some time in berlin & erfurt)

eurotrash to me mainly means pretentious people wrapped up in fashion, clublife, and all things hot in europe. while intrinsically these things aren't bad they together sum up the definition for me. and even the definition isn't a slur to me it's just a culture group and far be it from me to judge them. but EW was being a jerk firstly and secondarily exibiting eurotrash-esque qualities. so yeah... sorry.

my apologies,
xfinnpetersx

*edit: yeah as a P.S. i'm sorry that you didn't like seeing the term here but also if you knew me you'd understand i was coming from a non-hate ridden place. now i hope you understand my use of the word. i probably won't use the word in the future but i probably wouldn't hesitate to (well i would... but if it was right for the situation then... i might use it), i'm just not the type to let anyone shape what i say. i'm willing to explain myself after the fact but if i censor myself in the beginning i usually don't even bother with saying what i mean (it just gets watered down). so i mean if we can all speak openly here it's all good... but if we can all understand each other then it's even better. so i hope you understand me.

<small>[ July 12, 2003, 03:18 AM: Message edited by: xFinnPetersx ]</small>

Fygee
07-12-2003, 04:01 AM
The SS64 games are crap. You are not smarter than other people for having played them, the games are garbage, and if that's the best SNK can do in 3D than they can stop making games for all I care.Might I ask just what about them you found to be crap?

Amano Jacu
07-12-2003, 05:04 AM
EvilWasabi:
Both Shito and Rade have established themselves and their personalities long before agreeing with what is right. Of course, when you agree with someone who is wrong, you're more likely of being an asskisser - otherwise, you're right. But not in the case of Tenshokyaku.

As for your restaurant, you should hit Burger King. It's affordable. :rolleyes At least that's the impression you're giving me. [/QB]Yeah, I hit the nail right on the head, eh? smirk It hurts when you fall in your own trap and keep beated with your own weapons. That's the name of the game, and everybody can play it.

It's incredible how much I've been flamed for just doing exactly the same you did before.

So if you agree with somebody who is RIGHT (like, of course, you ) you are a cool guy, but if you agree with somebody who is WRONG (like everybody else) you are an ass-licker. Oh, yeah, right.

Welcome to the real world, RIGHT & WRONG are subjective matters.

And about Burger King, I never go to those crappy American-imported "restaurants". As I said I prefer to buy my own food and cook it myself. It's even cheaper than any restaurant, and definately much better and healthier, and you ACTUALLY know what you are eating and how it was cooked. Yeah, too bad I need to lower myself to work a bit and even wash up some dishes...

I occasions like this I wish the URSS had won the Cold War and we were all communists... oh_no Yeah, the bullshit said in this thread has made me that much desperate.

Third World Cow.com
07-12-2003, 06:10 AM
BoriquaSNK:

There's no where else to play them and they'll die in obscurity, like Chrystalis did.
Actually, Chrystalis didn't die, at least not completely. It was remade for the GBC in 99 by Nintendo and SNK, a partnership I'd like to see more of. Not that it has anything to do with the topic, I just wanted to say it. Still, beautiful post, man.

You may now return to your regular flame war.

Tidus Vash
07-12-2003, 07:15 AM
wow

that was defintely a thread

not necessarily a good thread

but a thread nonetheless

or maybe not


at anyrate, massive amounts of typing and quoting took place

Fran
07-12-2003, 08:15 AM
sonic1687
[QBkof sucks.

the graphics were horrible in 94, theyre horrible today, and im not talking outside standards either. i'm talking about neo standards.

. [/QB]oh_no

kof 94 had its own unique style
a true masterpiece
too bad a sega kid just cant understand

95 was and still is AMAZING

and what about 96

some of the most incredible backgrounds and music i have ever heard

and oh,THOSE 20 or so new sprites

and pheraps you haven't played 99

kof has been pretty stale since 2000,true

but if you diss 94,95,96,98 or 99

you have issues

biocat
07-12-2003, 10:52 AM
The last time I was in Japan this is how I saw the arcades for the most part.

A bunch of GGXX cabs with a few people playing on them, and, one or two KOF2002 cabs (sometimes KOF98 cab too) with a line on each.

You can take that whatever way you like.

BoriquaSNK
07-12-2003, 11:54 AM
Third World Cow.com:

BoriquaSNK:

There's no where else to play them and they'll die in obscurity, like Chrystalis did.
Actually, Chrystalis didn't die, at least not completely. It was remade for the GBC in 99 by Nintendo and SNK, a partnership I'd like to see more of. Not that it has anything to do with the topic, I just wanted to say it. Still, beautiful post, man.

You may now return to your regular flame war. I stand corrected drool_2

QnzNeoGeoChick
07-12-2003, 11:57 AM
Fran:

dmhawkmoon:

Fran:
i am sure we'd prolly get along and all if we met

BUT

to come here and pray for the mvs hardware to die

because you're a next-gen systems fanboy

and want a shitty fake 3d kof

well,thats something idiotic to say the very least Doesn't the gameplay matter more than anything? yuou see,
people like you just can not understand

you bought a neo in 2001 or 2002
with slug 4
and you adore slug 4

so you obviously have no love for the 16-bit wonder

hendrix

similar to you

discovered snk games in 1999 through emulation

to you,they're just games like all the others

to me,
the neo and its games are something that cant be replaced

no new hardware,no 3d bullshit,no high res sadness

if the neo must die,then so be it

kof and all the other series must die with it

it's that simple

i'm probably part of a minority,
weird considering this should be the place where NEO GEO FANS abound

but the world is full of fools Crazy, but it's true. It's weird how these companies are doing these days, right? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Don't believe on the hype about new games and 3D games.

<small>[ July 12, 2003, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: QnzNeoGeoChick ]</small>

FeelGood
07-12-2003, 05:21 PM
chainsawyak:
I was agreeing with Fran and Charlie for the most part until Charlie brought up pictures and money and intelligence... C'mon man, I know you're cooler than that. What is with that? You're not making good arguments..
My arguments are just out of hand. Let's see if I can do something about that.

The point I was trying to make by bringing in (not so much intelligence) but certain material goods is that of aesthetic taste.

You see, it's really natural for people to want things even if they can't afford them. And to obtain these expensive items, one can either wait for the price to drop (or hope that the items can be mass produced on such a scale that they would be cheaper by default, a la JHendrix), or change their behavior and work habit to bring in more money. Most people think that the first option is really an option. 95% of the time, it isn't.

Amano Jacu is just in his own world right now, mad at me because he thinks I'm looking down on him. That's fine. I'm not looking down on people unless they want to tell me that they look fine going to a nightclub dressed like a college student in a baggy t-shirt and jeans, or that they're not overweight when they clearly look fat. Basically people that are deceiving themselves to avoid self-improvement on a physical level, or any level. Like the rom users who think using roms for games they have yet to buy is not stealing, and that it's fine and good because SNK isn't getting paid a penny. Honestly, you can't hate them if they use roms and say "yes, I know it's wrong, but I don't care." I don't have qualms with people who say "yes, I'm fat, but I don't mind, and I'm not going to say I'm not overweight, because I can see it, and I'm cool with myself." It's the ability to see what you have and don't have, and accept that, that allows you to appreciate things on an aesthetic level more.

I drive a boring car. I don't care right now because I have so many other things I'd rather spend my money on lined up. Maybe in a few years I'll get something cool, but I admit it, my car isn't anything to get excited about.

As opposed to "Check out my turbo charged WRX w00t!!1" yeah.

I mean, shit, anything can give you performance. That guy in Italy had a souped up Subaru and was outracing Lambs, Ferraris, and anything else, but I still wouldn't want to drive that Subaru. Just like I'd rather play a game on my neo geo than one on a PS2. Simple as that.

Amano Jacu
07-13-2003, 04:10 AM
EvilWasabi:
My arguments are just out of hand. Let's see if I can do something about that.

The point I was trying to make by bringing in (not so much intelligence) but certain material goods is that of aesthetic taste.

You see, it's really natural for people to want things even if they can't afford them. And to obtain these expensive items, one can either wait for the price to drop (or hope that the items can be mass produced on such a scale that they would be cheaper by default, a la JHendrix), or change their behavior and work habit to bring in more money. Most people think that the first option is really an option. 95% of the time, it isn't.

Amano Jacu is just in his own world right now, mad at me because he thinks I'm looking down on him. That's fine. I'm not looking down on people unless they want to tell me that they look fine going to a nightclub dressed like a college student in a baggy t-shirt and jeans, or that they're not overweight when they clearly look fat. Basically people that are deceiving themselves to avoid self-improvement on a physical level, or any level. Like the rom users who think using roms for games they have yet to buy is not stealing, and that it's fine and good because SNK isn't getting paid a penny. Honestly, you can't hate them if they use roms and say "yes, I know it's wrong, but I don't care." I don't have qualms with people who say "yes, I'm fat, but I don't mind, and I'm not going to say I'm not overweight, because I can see it, and I'm cool with myself." It's the ability to see what you have and don't have, and accept that, that allows you to appreciate things on an aesthetic level more.

I drive a boring car. I don't care right now because I have so many other things I'd rather spend my money on lined up. Maybe in a few years I'll get something cool, but I admit it, my car isn't anything to get excited about.

As opposed to "Check out my turbo charged WRX w00t!!1" yeah.

I mean, shit, anything can give you performance. That guy in Italy had a souped up Subaru and was outracing Lambs, Ferraris, and anything else, but I still wouldn't want to drive that Subaru. Just like I'd rather play a game on my neo geo than one on a PS2. Simple as that. OK, at least this time you've taken your time to explain your point of view in a manner such as we mortals (shit, here we go again... :p ) can at least understand.

You've got an opinion and me and some other people have got another. I'm comfortable wearing jeans, that's all I need. I prefer to grow up intellectually, not physically or aesthetically. That's all.

Let's settle this like that and go back to play some neo (shit, I always forget I'm thousands of km away from mine... oh_no )

kernow
07-13-2003, 07:32 AM
*hugs*

Rade K
07-13-2003, 07:39 AM
kernow:
*hugs* Was that...a gay thing?

kernow
07-13-2003, 07:51 AM
Rade Kuruc:

kernow:
*hugs* Was that...a gay thing? Its a manly embrace thats entirely platonic.

Amano Jacu
07-13-2003, 12:32 PM
Rade Kuruc:

kernow:
*hugs* Was that...a gay thing? It depends on if the person you hugged is right or wrong... :rolleyes:

honeyman
07-14-2003, 01:16 AM
Wow eek! ! I`m going to post something completely unrelated to this overlengthy thread and write "Long live 2-D gaming buttrock !" and make it even more lengthy wink !

Laters!

Tenshokyaku
07-14-2003, 01:33 PM
DangerousK:

Tenshokyaku:
Have you gotten so mad at this that you've resorted to such witty posts? Look, you can have your opinions, that's all fine and good. But don't trash other people for expressing theirs. Especially when it's just about a damn video game.

If compliments automatically register as ass-kissing in your mind, then maybe it's time to re-evalutate your own relationships with people.

If statements made on this BBS anger you that much, perhaps you need to get out more?

It's a dead argument, so I will drop it now. But don't prance around like your shit don't stink, because opinions are like assholes...we all have them. Ok, let me see if you can grasp this.

<a href="http://www.Neo-Geo.com" target="_blank">www.Neo-Geo.com</a>

DEDICATED TO SNK'S 16-BIT 2D SYSTEMS & GAMES

Read, rinse, and re-read.

Let it sink into your mind for a little bit.

Then perhaps you can understand why the die hard Neo fans are hostile towards those (Hendrix) and others who express wishes for new hardware (Atomiswave) or whatever else.

When you grasp the above that is in bold, then reply.

Otherwise don't say anything ok?

Simple as that. So people that don't take the web site moniker to such an extreme are wrong? I don't agree, but I appreciate the civil reply. Thank you.