What's this about a black kid being shot again

[neo_mao]

The solution to fixing race relations between whites and blacks in America is easy...just give black communities lots of casinos. It worked with american indians.

Problem solved, easy peasy.

 

[smokehouse]

...hmmmm...perhaps... I myself would be tempted to point the finger at parenting becoming a thing of the past first. Seems a lot of our problems come from people that have crap parents...or no parents. People just keep having kids and then they don't do anything with them, they just pawn them off anyplace they can and they don't show these kids how to act.

You hate to blame the kids because they had the back luck of being born with idiot parents, but 18yrs later those kids are grown 6ft 300lb adults with no moral direction. Then all you have is whats infront of you. We all saw him shaking down a man *literally* half his size. Fucking pathetic. Clearly nobody instilled in him why that makes you a shitty person for doing that. Then he gave an officer a hard time, clearly nobody taught him to respect authority. This young guy was failed by his parents, you wanna point fingers, point them at the parents because they had the last 2 decades to show their son how to act.

Read my last post.

It obviously could have been worse...but my upbringing was nasty. I could write a two-page story of my childhood but the boiled down version is I didn't have it so well and could have easily hid behind the "lack of upbringing" crap like so many do. My parents stole, my parents lied, my parents abused drugs, my mother beat the shit out of me...I don't do these things as an adult because I choose not to. People know right from wrong...this kid knew shaking someone down was wrong and I won't entertain any discussion claiming otherwise.

Now...should it have cost him his life? Absolutely not. This is the core of the matter...the police brutality is getting out of hand and is a completely different discussion. The punishment did not fit the crime and this beat/shoot firs, ask later mentality so many police currently have is simply wrong.

If this were my son, I'd protest too...peacefully. I'd use my voice to fight. The problem is that like usual, the fucking media and fire starters like Sharpton paint this kid as some kind of saint...which he clearly wasn't. "Right is right" would be this kid behind bars for either assault or robbery, not him on a slab. Had this been my child, that's the approach I would take. Honesty on both sides...

 

[Poonman]

I just want to set the record straight with Maury and say I was actually more critical of white people during the stanley cup riot than I am with with whats going on right now.

And using the retarded actions of moron white people to justify blacks rioting is weak sauce; try to remember that black people are ALWAYS fighting an uphill battle for acceptance, equality and prosperity in America. They simply can't afford to act up like this anymore.

It's true, being white gives us a free pass for juggalos, domestic terrorism, war profiteering, child molestation, awkward dancing...anything predominatey "white" that you could stereotype us with and nothing has stuck so far.

And nothing ever will.
Many have tried, all have failed.

So throw away your "white people do it too!" and "you privileged white just don't get it" arguments.
Even when that may be the case, it would help the black cause in no way what so ever.

 

[2D_mastur]

I take offense being called privileged too. No, I'm not privileged, I work for my money (what little I make) and I'm proud of it.

I think Maury wasn't strictly talking about economic privilege. Even the simple privilege of not getting hassled by cops to the degree that people of color are, is something most white people take for granted.

If racial profiling isn't rampant in your city , then you are lucky. Just take a trip to a border town for examples of cops who treat people like criminal scum, just because they are brown or black.

White privilege isn't anywhere near where it used to be, but it's still there to certain degree.

 

[ki_atsushi]

I think Maury wasn't strictly talking about economic privilege. Even the simple privilege of not getting hassled by cops to the degree that people of color are, is something most white people take for granted.

If racial profiling isn't rampant in your city , then you are lucky. Just take a trip to a border town for examples of cops who treat people like criminal scum, just because they are brown or black.

White privilege isn't anywhere near where it used to be, but it's still there to certain degree.

Yeah, I understand that point. Blacks and Mexicans do get hassled more by the police, sure. Just like the Italians (white people) before them. Can you guess why?

 

[FAT$TACKS]

We all make choices, but in the end, our choices make us

 

[Lagduf]

Yeah, just in case you're colored and have to deal with the popo.

Absolutely.

Even more reason to have a gun.

This is literally happening in my neighborhood.
Five minutes down the street.
This last week has been nothing but a shit storm of bad press, bad decisions (from all parties),
& misinformation.
Michael Brown did not deserve to die.
Darren Wilson most likely never wanted to shoot anyone.
But when you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.

Stay safe.

Your analysis sounds spot on.

Morons from all sides blew this up (including the media.)

 

[ki_atsushi]

We all make choices, but in the end, our choices make us

I fucking love this guy... I was thinking about all the shooting in Chicago a few weeks ago, and wondered why all the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons were quiet, oh yeah... because it was black on black. Nothing to see here.

 

[Cylotron]

sad that there's so many racists' here on the forums...

i hate to say it though, but the only way racism is going to stop entirely is if us humans become extinct.

we could also all interbreed until we're all the same, but even then i doubt that'd work.

 

[StevenK]

sad that there's so many racists' here on the forums...

i hate to say it though, but the only way racism is going to stop entirely is if us humans become extinct.

we could also all interbreed until we're all the same, but even then i doubt that'd work.

Hmm, I think this is a bit of a snap comment here, there needs to be a discussion on what constitutes racism in the first place before you start throwing labels at people because their opinions don't mirror yours exactly.

 

[smokehouse]

sad that there's so many racists' here on the forums...

i hate to say it though, but the only way racism is going to stop entirely is if us humans become extinct.

we could also all interbreed until we're all the same, but even then i doubt that'd work.

Who exactly has made "racist" comments? Perhaps I've not read everyone's posts clearly…but I've yet to read a response that I'd label as racist.

I think that word is thrown around too much.

Looking up the definition of "racist", I get this:

a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

Now…that I've seen, I can't recall anyone here truly being a racist. As a matter of fact, I don't personally know any real racists either. Myself and most that I associate with are mostly prejudice against race-trash…be it black, white, brown, red, whatever…trash is trash and I despise them all equally. Ghetto-rat black-man is 100% no different than ghetto-rat white-man in my book…we would all be better off if all of them were to disappear.

We have black/latino trash here in central Illinois…but per capita, we have far more white trash than either of them…and I despise the fuckers.

 

[Neorebel]

I think Maury wasn't strictly talking about economic privilege. Even the simple privilege of not getting hassled by cops to the degree that people of color are, is something most white people take for granted.

If racial profiling isn't rampant in your city , then you are lucky. Just take a trip to a border town for examples of cops who treat people like criminal scum, just because they are brown or black.

White privilege isn't anywhere near where it used to be, but it's still there to certain degree.

This. I believe what we're calling 'economic privilege' is very relevant, and I agree with quite a bit that is being said about it... but I cannot dismiss the fact that at least in my neighborhood, African and Mexican Americans draw the stares and more of the local police. That's discrimination, and something I have the privilege of not having to deal with, at least around here.

 

[smokehouse]

This. I believe what we're calling 'economic privilege' is very relevant, and I agree with quite a bit that is being said about it... but I cannot dismiss the fact that at least in my neighborhood, African and Mexican Americans draw the stares and more of the local police. That's discrimination, and something I have the privilege of not having to deal with, at least around here.

I believe there is profiling with the police…but I do not write that off as a "society" issue…I write it off as a "government" issue. Where I live, of the people I see pulled over, 7 out of 10 or better a in shit-box cars. This is economic profiling as well and it is common.

The problem here is that large groups of people are placed in a hate-catagory because of the action of a very small group.

Lastly…the "stares" comment works in all directions. We have predominately black, white and mexican neighborhoods. A black man driving through the white burbs is going to generate the same stares as a white man driving through the black neighborhood or mexitown. I teach school right smack dab in a large, heavily black populated neighborhood. You should see the way I'm received in that neighborhood…let me tell you, it isn't with open arms. I stick out like a sore thumb and I'm ok with it…no shit I don't fit in a neighborhood of 5000+ black Americans…I'm white as the new fallen snow, its to be expected. I never call it racism though…because its not. I just stick out is all.

 

[Neorebel]

Well said, Smokehouse.

 

[FAT$TACKS]

oh yes "stares", that's a good one.

The simple fact is things attract our attention for a reason. Some things are more easy to notice, simply because we are not used to them.

If some black kid was walking down my street in a hoodie with has pants bagged down on a hot summer evening I would stare and think that looked suspicious. Why? Well because there are very few black people in my neighborhood. The ones that are here don't behave that way that I've ever seen. So right away I'm seeing something that seems out of place to me. The boy could well belong and I just never seen him. He could be someone's nephew visiting them and walking in or out of the private neighborhood to get something from the corner station or such.

Would that kid be doing something wrong? Nope. He would just seem out of place. Now lets work in some past experience. There have been some cars broken into here that were parked in peoples drives. Also, I previously lived in an area where there were a lot more young people who looked like this young man who were out causing trouble. So I'm going to look at that boy with suspicion. Not because he deserves or has done anything wrong.

(on a side note it turns out the cars were being broken into by some "privileged white boys" who live in the back end of the neighborhood)

There is a white kid who lives down the street and he is totally into that thug life routine I see him out walking the streets or riding his bike all the time. I used to look at him the same way I looked at the hypothetical black kid. Because I seen him so often I took it upon myself to find out what the deal was and started asking around. Turns out he walks and has a 3 wheel bike because he can't drive and has some physical and minor mental developmental issues and he is just into that whole look for whatever reason. There has been no evidence of him ever being involved in any wrong doing. Did he deserve my suspicion?

I see a black guy running through my neighborhood. He is not all hood rat looking. He is wearing stuff a person would go running in, but I hadn't seen him before. Hot his Ipod on his arm band and just jogging along. I know there are some black people that live in this neighborhood and assume he is one of them and never thought to much of it. Turns out he lives here as I've seen him a few times after that on his run or in his car and we would pass each other coming and going.

Most of the time I believe that when a person suspicious of someone they have a reason to be. It may be backwards, or ignorant, but that does not make it racist. A lot of the time people are giving other people a reason to be suspicious of them. It may not be a good reason and they may not even know they are doing such a thing. Really they can't know that in many cases but that's just how it is.

A lot of that suspicion is put into our minds through the media and government with their agenda of keeping the populace divided. We don't see a lot of news about all the good works and things that happen with minority races. We are shown just the opposite. That sort of thing subconsciously instills in people suspicion and distrust. We know rationally that the actions we see from the few don't define the many in any category but the seeds are planted and they are hard to overcome as a society.

It's not racial profiling to be distrustful black who may seem suspicious, when you are in an area that has had a higher rate of crime committed (to your knowledge, be it true or not) by blacks. It maybe foolish of you, it may be ignorant of you, but doubtful it is racist of you. But a person by nature is and needs to be suspicious of those that seem out of place even if their reasons are not sound for such.

If a crime happens and one person says, well I saw a suspicious looking black man. Then the police start looking for that guy, the find him and harass him and it turns out he had nothing to do with the crime, well was he profiled? What if he was the guy who committed the crime and they caught him?

I had to be all harassed by the cops because some bitch pissed at her boyfriend decided she was going to say some guy raped her and the description she gave looked like me and I happened to hang out at that same campus building a lot, and people seen me there around that time. Sure I was pissed, but they were just doing their job. I used to be all fuck the police for a long while after that but I got over it when I grew up.

That's the bottom line, a lot of these fuckers need to grow up. Sure there is racism here in America, but its worse almost everywhere else in the world. Here we call the ugly things out into the light and I like to believe that most of us still want to deal with the issues, while in other parts of the world, that's just daily life and the people being trodden upon just have to live with it.

Anyone who preaches disunity has an agenda that benefits themselves and only wants to rob you of your rights and freedoms.

 

[Neorebel]

Anyone who preaches disunity has an agenda that benefits themselves and only wants to rob you of your rights and freedoms.

I'm not quite sure about this statement. What exactly do you mean? Everyone has an agenda that benefits themselves. A harmonious community benefits everyone.

 

[smokehouse]

oh yes "stares", that's a good one.

The simple fact is things attract our attention for a reason. Some things are more easy to notice, simply because we are not used to them.

If some black kid was walking down my street in a hoodie with has pants bagged down on a hot summer evening I would stare and think that looked suspicious. Why? Well because there are very few black people in my neighborhood. The ones that are here don't behave that way that I've ever seen. So right away I'm seeing something that seems out of place to me. The boy could well belong and I just never seen him. He could be someone's nephew visiting them and walking in or out of the private neighborhood to get something from the corner station or such.

Would that kid be doing something wrong? Nope. He would just seem out of place. Now lets work in some past experience. There have been some cars broken into here that were parked in peoples drives. Also, I previously lived in an area where there were a lot more young people who looked like this young man who were out causing trouble. So I'm going to look at that boy with suspicion. Not because he deserves or has done anything wrong.

(on a side note it turns out the cars were being broken into by some "privileged white boys" who live in the back end of the neighborhood)

There is a white kid who lives down the street and he is totally into that thug life routine I see him out walking the streets or riding his bike all the time. I used to look at him the same way I looked at the hypothetical black kid. Because I seen him so often I took it upon myself to find out what the deal was and started asking around. Turns out he walks and has a 3 wheel bike because he can't drive and has some physical and minor mental developmental issues and he is just into that whole look for whatever reason. There has been no evidence of him ever being involved in any wrong doing. Did he deserve my suspicion?

I see a black guy running through my neighborhood. He is not all hood rat looking. He is wearing stuff a person would go running in, but I hadn't seen him before. Hot his Ipod on his arm band and just jogging along. I know there are some black people that live in this neighborhood and assume he is one of them and never thought to much of it. Turns out he lives here as I've seen him a few times after that on his run or in his car and we would pass each other coming and going.

Most of the time I believe that when a person suspicious of someone they have a reason to be. It may be backwards, or ignorant, but that does not make it racist. A lot of the time people are giving other people a reason to be suspicious of them. It may not be a good reason and they may not even know they are doing such a thing. Really they can't know that in many cases but that's just how it is.

A lot of that suspicion is put into our minds through the media and government with their agenda of keeping the populace divided. We don't see a lot of news about all the good works and things that happen with minority races. We are shown just the opposite. That sort of thing subconsciously instills in people suspicion and distrust. We know rationally that the actions we see from the few don't define the many in any category but the seeds are planted and they are hard to overcome as a society.

It's not racial profiling to be distrustful black who may seem suspicious, when you are in an area that has had a higher rate of crime committed (to your knowledge, be it true or not) by blacks. It maybe foolish of you, it may be ignorant of you, but doubtful it is racist of you. But a person by nature is and needs to be suspicious of those that seem out of place even if their reasons are not sound for such.

If a crime happens and one person says, well I saw a suspicious looking black man. Then the police start looking for that guy, the find him and harass him and it turns out he had nothing to do with the crime, well was he profiled? What if he was the guy who committed the crime and they caught him?

I had to be all harassed by the cops because some bitch pissed at her boyfriend decided she was going to say some guy raped her and the description she gave looked like me and I happened to hang out at that same campus building a lot, and people seen me there around that time. Sure I was pissed, but they were just doing their job. I used to be all fuck the police for a long while after that but I got over it when I grew up.

That's the bottom line, a lot of these fuckers need to grow up. Sure there is racism here in America, but its worse almost everywhere else in the world. Here we call the ugly things out into the light and I like to believe that most of us still want to deal with the issues, while in other parts of the world, that's just daily life and the people being trodden upon just have to live with it.

Anyone who preaches disunity has an agenda that benefits themselves and only wants to rob you of your rights and freedoms.

I agree with this.

You wear the uniform, you get treated as such. Anyone dressed like a thug, someone in a business suit, a girl dressed like a whore, a guy decked out in military garb...all will not be treated "normally" because they are not dressed normally. If a cop pulled you over and was wearing shorts, a t shirt and flip flops, you would not give them the same respect as you would a cop in full uniform. Why? Because human nature.

I will say however...there are strong racial neighborhoods no matter where you go. I have a mixed neighborhood when it comes to blacks and whites...but there is zero representation from Asians or Hispanics. That said, there are places white people do not go (black ghetto) and black people do not go (white ghetto). To quote a black guy that I work with "black folks don't have any business going to Pekin" (a local shit town with a large population of white trash, racist KKK members and meth heads).

On the flip of that...I'd be a fool to go to the local projects over in Peoria...I have no business going there and would be asking for it no matter what I was wearing.

 

[StevenK]

I agree with this.

You wear the uniform, you get treated as such. Anyone dressed like a thug, someone in a business suit, a girl dressed like a whore, a guy decked out in military garb...all will not be treated "normally" because they are not dressed normally. If a cop pulled you over and was wearing shorts, a t shirt and flip flops, you would not give them the same respect as you would a cop in full uniform. Why? Because human nature.

I will say however...there are strong racial neighborhoods no matter where you go. I have a mixed neighborhood when it comes to blacks and whites...but there is zero representation from Asians or Hispanics. That said, there are places white people do not go (black ghetto) and black people do not go (white ghetto). To quote a black guy that I work with "black folks don't have any business going to Pekin" (a local shit town with a large population of white trash, racist KKK members and meth heads).

On the flip of that...I'd be a fool to go to the local projects over in Peoria...I have no business going there and would be asking for it no matter what I was wearing.

The world turns based on assumption and profiling. People can call it what they like, but it's AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY just to carry out the most basic of tasks.

Having said that I think it's sad that there are areas of the US that are genuinely no-go for certain ethnic groups. I don't think we have that in the UK, at least certainly not anywhere I've come across (as a "privileged whitey" admittedly).

 

[FAT$TACKS]

I'm not quite sure about this statement. What exactly do you mean? Everyone has an agenda that benefits themselves. A harmonious community benefits everyone.

Sure, to some degree everyone does have an agenda to benefit themselves and that's not an issue. It's how far one goes to do so that is. I work a job to benefit myself and my family. That's part of my agenda, but I don't go out and put a gun to someone and take their money.

Preaching disunity, actively working to drive a wedge of hate between people, be it class, race, age, or any other reason is done to rob those people. The black community, the Mexican community, the Islamic community, none of these have taken away my freedoms, but in one part or another using race, class, religion, or some other difference between people, someone somewhere is constantly assaulting my freedoms.

We need to ban this, limit that, repeal this, put this new law in place, and on and on and on. Because people say, yes, I'm afraid. Protect me! I'm afraid of a black man with a gun, we need to ban guns. I'm afraid of a terrorist, we need grope little children getting onto planes. I'm afraid of these Mexican cartels coming across the border, so it's okay to take more of my earned money to put military hardware in the hands of law enforcement.

Because someone is preaching disunity, fear, and hate and just because the do it under the guise of the selective media, and through the voices of our policy makers the people of this nation far too often fail to see it for what it really is. And why is this being done, because it makes someone somewhere more wealthy, and more powerful.


Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

All the race baiting on the TV is to keep the populace divided and distracted from the real issue. To prevent real change, to keep those in power in power. Because the day when the ordinary people of this nation drop their differences and come together united for a cause, there won't be any way to stop us. The strength of this nation is in it's unity as a nation, our ability to put our differences aside and work together to solve a problem, and as a people the only way you can keep us in control is if we can't see the chains that bind us to unite us against them.


so just a quick excerpt from an interesting article

http://time.com/3132635/ferguson-coming-race-war-class-warfare/

The U.S. Census Report finds that 50 million Americans are poor. Fifty million voters is a powerful block if they ever organized in an effort to pursue their common economic goals. So, it’s crucial that those in the wealthiest One Percent keep the poor fractured by distracting them with emotional issues like immigration, abortion and gun control so they never stop to wonder how they got so screwed over for so long.

 

[losgunn]

sad that there's so many racists' here on the forums...

i hate to say it though, but the only way racism is going to stop entirely is if us humans become extinct.

we could also all interbreed until we're all the same, but even then i doubt that'd work.

Let's run a hypothetical scenario. Take the world as it is right now, and completely remove racism from it -- POOF! Racism is gone. Nobody hates anybody based on their race alone, or believes someone to be inferior/superior based on race alone anymore.

You'll still see discrimination. It might be based on class, gender, sexual preference, religion, ethnicity, language, level of education, what have you, but it will still exist. Racism is only a symptom of a larger problem, which in my opinion is ignorance and stupidity. You can treat any of these individual symptoms, but if you're not going to treat the root of the problem, you'll continue to have symptoms crop up. I can tear a wart off, but if I don't dig out the roots, the wart will grow back.

 

[Neorebel]

Because someone is preaching disunity, fear, and hate and just because the do it under the guise of the selective media, and through the voices of our policy makers the people of this nation far too often fail to see it for what it really is. And why is this being done, because it makes someone somewhere more wealthy, and more powerful.


Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

All the race baiting on the TV is to keep the populace divided and distracted from the real is

Now you're speaking my language. Exactly right, 100% agreed!!

 

[SNKorSWM]

This might sound weird, but an Asian I talked to recently told me that there aren't many Black or Hispanic people in his country may be because the law enforcement there is very strict.

 

[wonamik]

Let's run a hypothetical scenario. Take the world as it is right now, and completely remove racism from it -- POOF! Racism is gone. Nobody hates anybody based on their race alone, or believes someone to be inferior/superior based on race alone anymore.

You'll still see discrimination. It might be based on class, gender, sexual preference, religion, ethnicity, language, level of education, what have you, but it will still exist. Racism is only a symptom of a larger problem, which in my opinion is ignorance and stupidity. You can treat any of these individual symptoms, but if you're not going to treat the root of the problem, you'll continue to have symptoms crop up. I can tear a wart off, but if I don't dig out the roots, the wart will grow back.

Also like seen in this thread, people yell RACISM way to easy these days. of course "racism" is never gonna go away when some people see racism in everything.

 

[NeoSneth]

I am in St Louis, and I can tell you the news being reported on the national networks is mostly incorrect.

You don't get shot 5 times if you are complying with your hands up. All early reports noted he was physically charging the officer while taunting him. It was only later that people tried covering for him by saying he had his hands up.
National networks don't even mention why any of this happened. They just want to have cultural experts give panel discussions on non issues.

 

[norton9478]

Cop couldn't handle his business. He shot an unarmed man. Even if he isn't guilty of a crime, he should lose his job.

Privileged white people have a LOT of nerve to talk about low income blacks rioting over this issue. Let's not forget recent riots over Joe Paterno's firing, a surfing contest in Huntington Beach, and the 2011 Stanley Cup riot. Hardly ANYONE said anything about these riots. Sure there were news stories but in regards to the public, people were ghosts.
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Or Woodstock 99. I was there. Selling the $3 bottles of water that had a lot to do with the rioting.

I fucking love this guy... I was thinking about all the shooting in Chicago a few weeks ago, and wondered why all the Al Sharptons and Jesse Jacksons were quiet, oh yeah... because it was black on black. Nothing to see here.

A black cop shot a black unarmed youth?
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