Playmore Petition for Snap-Lock Cases

[Makismo]

I have talked with Playmore on this issue but they did not give me a clear reason why they won't sell to individuals. They did mention that a distributor may sell these boxes. I have been unable to find a reasonable price for these boxes from a reseller. If we show enough interest, then they may sell some boxes to Shawn who will in turn sell them to us. We are all going to have to put forth some effort if we are going to make this work. My petition has 37 signatures including my own. If we want to get Playmore's attention, we are going to need at least a few hundred. Please show your support and sign the petition.

 

[Viewpoint]

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>I have talked with Playmore on this issue but they did not give me a clear reason why they won't sell to individuals.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's called Bootlegging. Look it up.

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>They did mention that a distributor may sell these boxes. I have been unable to find a reasonable price for these boxes from a reseller.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I thought you said $20,000.00 was just a drop in the bucket or is it really $5000.00?!?!

I thought you presumed to know all the facts.

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>If we show enough interest, then they may sell some boxes to Shawn who will in turn sell them to us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes and if that happens look foward to paying an assload of money for Minty Fresh New AES cases.

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>We are all going to have to put forth some effort if we are going to make this work.</strong><hr></blockquote>

A noble idea but sadly it's wasted.

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>My petition has 37 signatures including my own. If we want to get Playmore's attention, we are going to need at least a few hundred.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And I told you before that the majority doesn't give a damn about new AES caes when all they are selling is the whole package.

Of course you said you wanted them to do what SNK did so that's pretty much asking PLaymore to go out of business and really fuck what's left of the Neo*Geo in terms of possible new games.

Real Fucking bright man.

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>Please show your support and sign the petition.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The only way I would sign anything for the Neo is the chance of a new game coming on AES format. Anything else is a waste of money and time.

I'm not even going to touch this shit.. <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />

 

[Makismo]

If your time is so precious why did you just waste a few minutes of your time with this needless bitching of yours?


Almost forgot, you said something about how did $20,000 turn into $5,000. I told you this already. It would cost Shawn about that much to make the mold and to produce the game boxes. It would cost Playmore much less (maybe not even $5,000) to produce 1000 game boxes since they already have the molds and are producing these game boxes anyway. Naturally, we probably don't need that may so the cost would be even less. I was using 1,000 because it is a nice round number.

[ July 28, 2002: Message edited by: Makismo ]</p>

 

[Viewpoint]

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>If your time is so precious why did you just waste a few minutes of your time with this needless bitching of yours? </strong><hr></blockquote>

Because you're so silly that I find humor in seeing what you will say each time you post.

You think you know all the facts and then say stupid shit about how the Naomi Hardware can't do 2D because you'd think all that SNK would be able to do on it was 3D games.

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>Almost forgot, you said something about how did $20,000 turn into $5,000. I told you this already.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No what you said was.

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>$20,000 to make some boxes is a small drop in the bucket for Playmore. I want them to do what SNK did.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You said it I didn't. So where did you pull $20gs from and then 5gs instead?

All I see is you talking in circles and not saying anything worth merit seeing as you've already been busted on things you thought you knew about and didn't

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>It would cost Shawn about that much to make the mold and to produce the game boxes. It would cost Playmore much less (maybe not even $5,000) to produce 1000 game boxes since they already have the molds and are producing these game boxes anyway. </strong><hr></blockquote>

And if Shawn produced 1000 Game boxes @ a cost of $5000.00. How much profit do you think he would want to make and also how do you know it costs that much in the 1st place.

From the whole aspect of what you've been posting so far, you're shooting in the wind with wild guesses and really don't know how much it will cost period.

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong> Naturally, we probably don't need that may so the cost would be even less. I was using 1,000 because it is a nice round number. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Of course I'd see Shawn sitting on about 80% of those cases and not moving them which in terms would be wasted money.

Shawn is here to try and make something of a profit. Even if he hasn't sold all of his stock on new AES games, he's not going to throw money away on an item that only a small amount of people want.

I don't want new AES cases personally because I'd rather see the money spent on new games instead of a plastic box & that is why I won't sign.

 

[NeoSpawn]

signed

 

[Pep]

Ok, hereby I attach the polite Playmore’s reply to my e-mail:

"Dear Sir

Thank you for your email.

Unfortunately, we cannot sell those cases to individuals directly.
Especially, snap-lock cases are one of the parts of our products. We know that this has been a problem among NEOGEO fans, but we cannot sell you the cases alone.
Please understand our situation.
However, if you contact some distributors who sell NEOGEO cartridges, you may get some.

Thank you for your understandings.
Should you have anything, please feel free to let us know.

Sincerely,
PLAYMORE CORPORATION"

 

[silver_circle]

Seems pretty clear to me that they are not interested in providing new cases. Listen to Shawns points and the email from playmore.

 

[playboycougar]

Okay I’m not reading this thread, just gonna tell you what Playmore wrote back to me.

Subj: Re: A request for the Neo Geo community.
Date: 7/28/2002 10:02:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: info@playmore.co.jp
To: PlayboyCougar@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)


Dear Sir

Thank you for your email.

Unfortunately, we cannot sell those cases to individuals directly.
Especially, snap-lock cases are one of the parts of our products. We know that this has been a problem among NEOGEO fans, but we cannot sell you the cases alone.
Please understand our situation.
However, if you contact some distributors who sell NEOGEO cartridges, you may get some.

Thank you for your understandings.
Should you have anything, please feel free to let us know.

Sincerely,
PLAYMORE CORPORATION
----- Original Message -----
送信者 : PlayboyCougar@aol.com
宛先 : info@playmore.co.jp
送信日時 : 2002年7月25日 4:34
件名 : A request for the Neo Geo community.


Hello, I am writing an e-mail to you all at Playmore containing a request. The Neo Geo community as a whole has been very strong lately. Unfortunately, however, we are lacking a certain necessity. Many of us have bare Neo Geo home cartridges without a home and while we know that we can find a hard case on ebay every once in a blue moon it's becoming more and more difficult for us to go about housing our cartridges. This is where the request comes in. I am asking you, the whole Neo Geo community is asking you, can you please make hard cases available to us for purchase at a reasonable price. Our Neo Geo carts need a home, and hopefully you can provide. Thank you very much.
Sincerely,
The Neo Geo community.

«ChRiS«
One day at a time

 

[SonGohan]

LOL read one post above you junior. It helps to read threads so you don't say anything stupid or redundant.

 

[Makismo]

I got the same canned response from them as well. Just look at the beginning of the thread. I added what they told me which is the exact same response - word for word - is the same thing they told you. They don't even bother to write you a knew email. This means that they have heard this so long that they don't even care to give you a good response. They don't really tell you anything in that email. I think that my petition may get a better response from them. That is, if we all sign it.

 

[chimpmeister]

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>I got the same canned response from them as well. Just look at the beginning of the thread. I added what they told me which is the exact same response - word for word - is the same thing they told you. They don't even bother to write you a knew email. This means that they have heard this so long that they don't even care to give you a good response. They don't really tell you anything in that email. I think that my petition may get a better response from them. That is, if we all sign it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

While I completely understand your motives, its pretty clear that extra snaplock cases are never going to happen. The reason has already been pointed out to you, despite the fact that Playmore won't come right out and admit it: extra snaplocks could be used to create duplicate copies of home carts, thereby encouraging further piracy in the home cartridge market. Based on that, it WON'T HAPPEN. Can you just understand that?

When SNK-USA had empty snaplock cases for sale, I bought about a dozen of them as extras. BTW they cost $6 each at that time.

However, its not going to happen again unless new releases for the Neo come to a complete halt (support is abandoned). Fortunately, that hasn't happened up to this point and doesn't appear to be a risk for the immediate future.

 

[JHendrix]

Originally posted by chimpmeister:
<strong>

While I completely understand your motives, its pretty clear that extra snaplock cases are never going to happen. The reason has already been pointed out to you, despite the fact that Playmore won't come right out and admit it: extra snaplocks could be used to create duplicate copies of home carts, thereby encouraging further piracy in the home cartridge market. Based on that, it WON'T HAPPEN. Can you just understand that?

When SNK-USA had empty snaplock cases for sale, I bought about a dozen of them as extras. BTW they cost $6 each at that time.

However, its not going to happen again unless new releases for the Neo come to a complete halt (support is abandoned). Fortunately, that hasn't happened up to this point and doesn't appear to be a risk for the immediate future. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Dude, I honestly don't think they give 2 shits about the AES market. I mean they make they're money on MVS, not the AES. All they know is they have this guy running a website that pays them to produce Home carts for the new games.

Then again I could be wrong but I seriously don't think that they'd be worrying about bootleggers on the AES, they've got enough problems with the MVS.


Peace

JHendrix

 

[Narkoleptx]

Petition signed! This was a fantastic idea. Let's hope they listen!
- Kyle

 

[Orpheus]

you people (those hell bent on putting makismo down for this) are some sorry piles of crap. shure the guy is A bit extreme about the whole thing, but at least he has the spirit (that most of you probably lack, which is why you sit in front of the computer all day long) to try this out and see what can come of it. the guy puts some effort in and you all tear him down. no wonder the neo became what it has, look at the shitty "community" <sniker> supporting it.

 

[td741]

I don't think people have a problem with the idea. They have a problem with it being constantly harrassed by it. (Or so it seems.)

I'm all for trying to get support for something like this and trying to get signatures.

But:
a) make sure that the people you are including in your petition have agreed to it. Both Shawn and Arcade had to request to be removed since they weren't notified. [They might have been more receptive to the idea if they were approached before being included by default. I know that would tick me off.]

b) This petition is being bumped up and up too often. (Or at least it was.) I don't know how many new people are here every day, but generally it doesn't seem like the audience is changing that frequently.

I think we should just have some sort of Forum or info page where people can link to stuff like this. Hmm... Off to the suggestion box.

 

[NeoDragoN]

Originally posted by ORPHEUS:
<strong>you people (those hell bent on putting makismo down for this) are some sorry piles of crap. shure the guy is A bit extreme about the whole thing, but at least he has the spirit (that most of you probably lack, which is why you sit in front of the computer all day long) to try this out and see what can come of it. the guy puts some effort in and you all tear him down. no wonder the neo became what it has, look at the shitty "community" <sniker> supporting it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Here Here!!!

Surely anything like this is a positive thing!!

theres way to much negativity on these boards!!

 

[*collector*]

I also signed up, at least we can give it a try.

 

[Viewpoint]

Originally posted by ORPHEUS:
<strong>you people (those hell bent on putting makismo down for this) are some sorry piles of crap. shure the guy is A bit extreme about the whole thing, but at least he has the spirit (that most of you probably lack, which is why you sit in front of the computer all day long) to try this out and see what can come of it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I put his ass down because he comes down trying to act like a know it all cock when he isn't. You don't get people to listen to you in a positive matter when you're slapping your wang in their face and trying to get them to support you in your cause.

Originally posted by ORPHEUS:
<strong> the guy puts some effort in and you all tear him down. no wonder the neo became what it has, look at the shitty "community" <sniker> supporting it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah we tore him down. To be honest I wouldn't have probably not even bothered with his pathetic ass if he hadn't come to chat trying to get on with the 'I'm better than you all' or 'I know all the facts so everything you all say means nothing'

I already proved a shitload of his facts wrong & the most he can do is cry like bitch when he got owned on it.

If he'd just put a cork in it when he doesn't know what he's talking about, nobody would give him any hassle. That and his blantent attack on Jeff Kurtz wasn't too bright either seeing as Jeff was willing to go above & beyond to fix any problems this guy might have had and yet he still tried to shit on Jeff for it.

Fuck him and that attitude he walked into this site with. <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" />

 

[Orpheus]

Originally posted by BonusKun:
<strong>

Yeah we tore him down. To be honest I wouldn't have probably not even bothered with his pathetic ass if he hadn't come to chat trying to get on with the 'I'm better than you all' or 'I know all the facts so everything you all say means nothing'

I already proved a shitload of his facts wrong & the most he can do is cry like bitch when he got owned on it.

If he'd just put a cork in it when he doesn't know what he's talking about, nobody would give him any hassle. That and his blantent attack on Jeff Kurtz wasn't too bright either seeing as Jeff was willing to go above & beyond to fix any problems this guy might have had and yet he still tried to shit on Jeff for it.

Fuck him and that attitude he walked into this site with. <img src="graemlins/shame.gif" border="0" alt="[Shame]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


alright guy, I hear ya. you seem like good people, and you have been on these boards A while as well. all I am saying is let's not try to kill any progress that can be made with the neo. snap lock cases are actualy A feasible Idea. god knows I would pick up over 2 dozen in a heart beat. on top of that all those reasons why the cases could not be sold seperately don't really ring true.

 

[Makismo]

One more bump and I am off to bed. Let's fight for the cause people! <img src="graemlins/multi.gif" border="0" alt="[Multi Color Bouncey]" />

 

[less than joseph]

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>One more bump and I am off to bed. Let's fight for the cause people! <img src="graemlins/multi.gif" border="0" alt="[Multi Color Bouncey]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Post count doesnt make your penis bigger makismo so stop arguing this indefenseable position. You are wrong. Your cause is completely idiotic. Go take you semi-plausable ideas and kill yourself.
-joseph

 

[TRIEUMINATOR]

Originally posted by Makismo:
<strong>One more bump and I am off to bed. Let's fight for the cause people! <img src="graemlins/multi.gif" border="0" alt="[Multi Color Bouncey]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Lost cause. I've tried, had my friends in SNK tried, they won't do it, simply because they won't make a profit. They're not going to charge people $15.00 a case, because they don't feel even at this price, there won't be enough demand to make a large enough profit for their time. Pretty simple logic if you ask me.

Selling to individuals is worse. Imagine 100 different people asking for two cases each. The time for packing, cost of shipping, etc. See the formula?

Not to let you down, but it won't happen. I've tried many times and the question has ALWAYS been neglected, from the bottom to the top Playmore employees.

If someone has already offered to buy 500 pieces from them and they've declined, it pretty much tells you something.

[ July 30, 2002: Message edited by: TRIEUMINATOR ]</p>

 

[BIG BEAR]

The only thing that would get the wheels in motion for any "special" project is a FINANCIAL COMMITMENT and that's where members on this site and throughout our community have a problem with...
you could receive thousands of names on your peteition and it won't mean anything unless those individuals are readily willing to FRONT the $$$$
PRE-PAY...
I am NOT trying to discourage your petition but take it from the VETERANS "who know"
BEEN THERE,DONE THAT....
If you wish to add my name to your petition..Go ahead BUT sense Playmore has already refused to provide the cases who do you expect to do it??
Those cases are not produced in the US and the dimensions are "custom"
-BB

 

[Makismo]

Originally posted by BIG BEAR:
<strong>The only thing that would get the wheels in motion for any "special" project is a FINANCIAL COMMITMENT and that's where members on this site and throughout our community have a problem with...
you could receive thousands of names on your peteition and it won't mean anything unless those individuals are readily willing to FRONT the $$$$
PRE-PAY...
I am NOT trying to discourage your petition but take it from the VETERANS "who know"
BEEN THERE,DONE THAT....
If you wish to add my name to your petition..Go ahead BUT sense Playmore has already refused to provide the cases who do you expect to do it??
Those cases are not produced in the US and the dimensions are "custom"
-BB</strong><hr></blockquote>


Aren't your shock boxes' dimensions custom as well? Naturaly, we would have to get people to preorder these cases. Playmore could say, "We won't do it unless we are guaranteed to sell at least 1000 boxes." Then they could put a place on their site where we would pay by paypal, check, money order, credit card, etc. and that would be the preorder section. We need to prove to them that if they make a special run, that we will pay up front first. That way Playmore will not have to worry about losing any money. I know that Shawm has asked for these boxes but he can't speak for everyone. We need to speak up and tell Playmore what we want and that we will pay up front. There is no real reason why this can't be done. If the price is right, then it can happen. We just need to get Playmore to agree with us and to show them that there is a market for these cases.

 

[Takumaji]

Makismo, pls tell me something: Why are you so keen on these cases? Do you have lots of bare carts or do you want to start a flourishing bootleg biz?

I really don't get it.