Originally posted by dhowerter:
<strong>Xtoo_Short20X - ALL ports are NOT inferior, that's just the Neo fanboy in you talking.</strong><hr></blockquote>
like sfzero 3 on the saturn
better than the coin op cos they added tons of stuff
and thats MEGA
but its still a port
and so no matter how good it is
its always a little fake
but hey,nothing wrong in it
i know it
i have accepted that supreme truth when i was about this tall
when i was a kiddo
now,when you found knobheads who claim ports are better like drift "penis envy" shit ex then yeah...
annoying
Metal Slug 3 is comming for PS2
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The Black Knight
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Not shit. The PSOne and the PS2 have different 2D output, even when playing the exact same game.
There's just some inherent flaws surfacing when developers use a chipset designed for 3D to serve 2D functions it was not explicitly designed for. Lots of people notice them. It's why MotW for DC is such a bad port.
I don't think it's a programming issue. I think it's just how the output turns out. It looks bad. I don't know what's specifically, technically wrong yet...but I'm sure I will soon (been asking around to people far more savvy than I). All I know right now is, by observation, there's two kinds of console 2D--the stuff on systems before Dreamcast, and the stuff on systems after Dreamcast. And I draw some conclusions.
Regardless of the reason behind it or not, the fact still stands that there's a defineable difference. And since we're all big fans of the MVS or NGH around here, and the DC and PS2 have a different 2D output and feel from those systems, I think it's obvious which kind of 2D would be preferred in the matter.
It's one of the reasons I'm glad Samurai Deeper Kyo is a PSOne game, not a PS2 game. I have a feeling that has just as much to do with the PS2s glitched 2D output as it does the PSOne's larger user base.
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There's just some inherent flaws surfacing when developers use a chipset designed for 3D to serve 2D functions it was not explicitly designed for. Lots of people notice them. It's why MotW for DC is such a bad port.
I don't think it's a programming issue. I think it's just how the output turns out. It looks bad. I don't know what's specifically, technically wrong yet...but I'm sure I will soon (been asking around to people far more savvy than I). All I know right now is, by observation, there's two kinds of console 2D--the stuff on systems before Dreamcast, and the stuff on systems after Dreamcast. And I draw some conclusions.
Regardless of the reason behind it or not, the fact still stands that there's a defineable difference. And since we're all big fans of the MVS or NGH around here, and the DC and PS2 have a different 2D output and feel from those systems, I think it's obvious which kind of 2D would be preferred in the matter.
It's one of the reasons I'm glad Samurai Deeper Kyo is a PSOne game, not a PS2 game. I have a feeling that has just as much to do with the PS2s glitched 2D output as it does the PSOne's larger user base.
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I personally dont think this game will live up the neo counter part, but i will be cool to have a port of the game if you cant get ahold of the NGH cart.
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I can't wait. I just hope they don't turn the blood white. They always seem to do that when they port it to the U.S.
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Originally posted by s7cbassplayer:
<strong>I can't wait. I just hope they don't turn the blood white. They always seem to do that when they port it to the U.S.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't think they'll do that this time. After they got ripped to shreds for the totally LAME Last Blade 2 port (with edited blood, moves, and ending "fatalities"), Agetec and SNK got so torn up that they assured people it wouldn't happen again. If it does, you can bet they'll hear about it again as well . . . from me and many others.
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Originally posted by Fran:
<strong>
like sfzero 3 on the saturn
better than the coin op cos they added tons of stuff
and thats MEGA
but its still a port
and so no matter how good it is
its always a little fake
but hey,nothing wrong in it
i know it
i have accepted that supreme truth when i was about this tall
when i was a kiddo
now,when you found knobheads who claim ports are better like drift "penis envy" shit ex then yeah...
annoying</strong><hr></blockquote>
Remember Viewpoint on the PSX ?? fucking dusgusting lighting FX. --> even a '92 game was badly ported.
Metal Slug 3 will suck ass on the PS2. I'm sure they will screw up the game. not particulary about the tech specs of the PS2, but the game is gonna be fucked up. I'm sure.
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Uhm.. the psx/psOne doesn't have any 2D hardware (like the Object Attribute hw on GBA) at all. It renders 2D stuff the same way as the DC, PS2 etc. Texturemapped front facing flat polygons, or whatever. But the end result is pretty much the same as using hw sprites.
The PS2 does have all the psx video hardware.. The PS2s "IOP" chip is pretty much a psx on one chip. It's used for i/o on PS2 games and for psx "emulation". Don't quote me on this but psx games are rendered internally by the iop and then the image is sent to the GS.. There's no reason why the games would look different or "glitchy" compared to them being run on a standard psx. Unless you're using the ps2 texture filtering mode, then 2D games will almost certainly look glitchy and you may see square borders around objects.
Viewpoint wasn't a port, it was a conversion/remake and looked completely different. Technically it was alot better than the Neo version. But it had no style at all, and looked a bit ugly.
PS2 can handle any Neo game. The 4mb VRAM is a frame buffer. A double buffered 320*224*8 framebuffer is not going to dent that 4mb at all. If it's done right it'll look and play pretty much the same as the original (no conversion, or even emulation is ever perfect).
Saying it'll be inferior just because it isn't the original is stupid. The Neo version isn't the original, the original is the version floating around in the designers imagination.
The comment about conversions only being released to "rape little fan boys" who can't afford an AES is the most stupid thing I've ever read. Yeah they're out to rip off people who aren't "true to the neo".
It would be nice to have some high res, well animated 2D fighters. Yeah like GGX only good, and maybe better animated. The Neo is cool and everything but maybe it's time to go up a step. Move away from carts to CD/GD/DVD.
I mean, NES was cool and everything but noone complained when we got the SNES with more animation and more detailed sprites. So why should you be so against the idea of a "Super Neo Geo"? Ditch the 68k+z80 already.
The PS2 does have all the psx video hardware.. The PS2s "IOP" chip is pretty much a psx on one chip. It's used for i/o on PS2 games and for psx "emulation". Don't quote me on this but psx games are rendered internally by the iop and then the image is sent to the GS.. There's no reason why the games would look different or "glitchy" compared to them being run on a standard psx. Unless you're using the ps2 texture filtering mode, then 2D games will almost certainly look glitchy and you may see square borders around objects.
Viewpoint wasn't a port, it was a conversion/remake and looked completely different. Technically it was alot better than the Neo version. But it had no style at all, and looked a bit ugly.
PS2 can handle any Neo game. The 4mb VRAM is a frame buffer. A double buffered 320*224*8 framebuffer is not going to dent that 4mb at all. If it's done right it'll look and play pretty much the same as the original (no conversion, or even emulation is ever perfect).
Saying it'll be inferior just because it isn't the original is stupid. The Neo version isn't the original, the original is the version floating around in the designers imagination.
The comment about conversions only being released to "rape little fan boys" who can't afford an AES is the most stupid thing I've ever read. Yeah they're out to rip off people who aren't "true to the neo".
It would be nice to have some high res, well animated 2D fighters. Yeah like GGX only good, and maybe better animated. The Neo is cool and everything but maybe it's time to go up a step. Move away from carts to CD/GD/DVD.
I mean, NES was cool and everything but noone complained when we got the SNES with more animation and more detailed sprites. So why should you be so against the idea of a "Super Neo Geo"? Ditch the 68k+z80 already.
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i think its a good idea for playmore (business wise) to put games on other systems
this means more money for the development of games and the reason they probably picked the ps2 is the user fanbase
personally i would like to see it on X-box and gamecube mainly because i dont own a ps2
but i also agree with Fran - lots and lots of ps2 owner wont have even heard of the metal slug series and if its not improved on graphically - i mean sudo 3-d (contra and strider 2) most of the users wont be interested because it looks so out of date
probably the reason why the saturn wasnt a great success was because of its piss poor 3-d graphics handling
hell a couple of my mates think 2-d shouldnt be done anymore and the only games to buy are games in 3-d, i still love gta games as much as i did when it was first out
graphically is takes a dump on the earlier ones but still fun still the same
anyway me - i'm in it for the gameplay not the specs
this means more money for the development of games and the reason they probably picked the ps2 is the user fanbase
personally i would like to see it on X-box and gamecube mainly because i dont own a ps2
but i also agree with Fran - lots and lots of ps2 owner wont have even heard of the metal slug series and if its not improved on graphically - i mean sudo 3-d (contra and strider 2) most of the users wont be interested because it looks so out of date
probably the reason why the saturn wasnt a great success was because of its piss poor 3-d graphics handling
hell a couple of my mates think 2-d shouldnt be done anymore and the only games to buy are games in 3-d, i still love gta games as much as i did when it was first out
graphically is takes a dump on the earlier ones but still fun still the same
anyway me - i'm in it for the gameplay not the specs
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Just a few points...
1) It's another source of income for Playmore. More money for Playmore (possibly) means more NGH/MVS releases.
2) Mainstreamers will be saying "who cares" and "wtf".
3) Makes MS3 available to those who do not have the home system, cabinet, etc.
4) Who'll be buying it?...who knows? {Back to point #1}
...will I buy it, no...I have the NGH and that's enough for me...
[ December 06, 2002: Message edited by: Shadowland ]</p>
1) It's another source of income for Playmore. More money for Playmore (possibly) means more NGH/MVS releases.
2) Mainstreamers will be saying "who cares" and "wtf".
3) Makes MS3 available to those who do not have the home system, cabinet, etc.
4) Who'll be buying it?...who knows? {Back to point #1}
...will I buy it, no...I have the NGH and that's enough for me...
[ December 06, 2002: Message edited by: Shadowland ]</p>
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Well the game may sell good in Japan
but not here in the US since most next
gen casual gamers (Like Buster said) are
more into the *3d Awesome games* so I don't
see it making much money here the same goes
for the other ports.
but not here in the US since most next
gen casual gamers (Like Buster said) are
more into the *3d Awesome games* so I don't
see it making much money here the same goes
for the other ports.
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teh dark knight doesnt know what teh fuck hes talking about when it comes to hardware.
'sprite emulation' WTf??
'sprite emulation' WTf??
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PS2 will be able to handle it well.PSX's Metal slug X was not perfect but still a decent port.And the differences between MSX and MS3 ain't all that great.PS2 should be able to handle it very well if not perfectly.You guys have to see how PS2 handled KOF 2000.It was an awesome port.The PS2 port filled in the gaps which the DC left.