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that stake is mad tasty.
lot of SNK PLAYMORE news
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Amano Jacu
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OK, I'm going to have dinner now. Charlie, can you please grant me the honor of recommending me any good restaurant in Newcastle? Or should I just have a quick look at them all and eat the most expensive dish in the menu of the most expensive restaurant? Expensive=Best so I should be OK.
See you tomorrow.
See you tomorrow.
Tenshokyaku
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I guess the sarcasm meter didn't register that one...
Tenshokyaku
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Have you gotten so mad at this that you've resorted to such witty posts? Look, you can have your opinions, that's all fine and good. But don't trash other people for expressing theirs. Especially when it's just about a damn video game.
If compliments automatically register as ass-kissing in your mind, then maybe it's time to re-evalutate your own relationships with people.
If statements made on this BBS anger you that much, perhaps you need to get out more?
It's a dead argument, so I will drop it now. But don't prance around like your shit don't stink, because opinions are like assholes...we all have them.
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Ok, let me see if you can grasp this.
<a href="http://www.Neo-Geo.com" target="_blank">www.Neo-Geo.com</a>
DEDICATED TO SNK'S 16-BIT 2D SYSTEMS & GAMES
Read, rinse, and re-read.
Let it sink into your mind for a little bit.
Then perhaps you can understand why the die hard Neo fans are hostile towards those (Hendrix) and others who express wishes for new hardware (Atomiswave) or whatever else.
When you grasp the above that is in bold, then reply.
Otherwise don't say anything ok?
Simple as that.
What the hell is wrong with CVS2? I love that game. Sure it has balance issue but if you are good enough you can still whoop a team of Bison, Ehonda, and Blank with one Dhalsim. I do not like the 3d backdrops much by the game is a blast to play. So much variety, so many characters to choose from, while playing online you do not have to play against the CPU all the time (something the Neo can not let you do) what is the problem with this game? It is really fun! Please tell me what people do not like about the game play. I like it and do not see anything really wrong with it. Please enlighten me to you opinions.
Funny, as I see it the basic criteria for something being a good game is something that keeps you coming back to play it over time.
If you play Back To the Future on the NES a lot then you must think it's a good game, unless you're insane and just like to play bad games all the time.
As for the game beign good or not, well it's called an opinion. I can make sweeping generalizations about it saying "the only people who don't like it are stupid oldschool Neo Fanboys who can't stand the fact that the best looking sprites of SNK characters were drawn by Capcom."
Wow so the games that are better than GGX2 on the Neo are miles better than GGX2. A little redundant aren't you?
I'll whole heartedly admit that I'd rather play KOF98 or MOTW over GGX2. No lie, they play better. I'm not such a blind/biased fanboy to say the graphics are better because they're just not. Of course this is an opinion but like I said ask a bunch of gamers what they think and see what happens. Ohhh no that's mainstream, well I'll get to that in a second.
BTW, GGX2's characters are friggin original, I mean what you want to talk about LB2. Lets look at Kaede for a second, can you say DRAGON BALL Z? Fuckin-a watch the PSX intro of the game, he went SuperSayajin for gods sake. oh_no
Sol Badguy is your typical anime badass, but at least they gave him some good back story and some good art. There's characters like Ino, Mary, Faust, Axel, etc that are just kick ass characters you don't normally see in a fighting game.
Ok I'm sorry, we're on an American BBS and speak English, Lord knows what game you're referencing, I'm guessing AOF?
As for the Neo being able to do more, maybe it could if it was 1996 and there were still 68k Assembly programmers. But they've moved on with the rest of the videogame world and don't use that stuff anymore.
Modern developers use C or an equivalent language with minor assembly thrown in, not like the Neo which is the other way around.
Almost getting to that, just gimme a minute....
Not too many, I'm not even familiar with the dates out side of KOF, but I think LB1 was before 98, but I play LB2 more. MD3 may be before 98 which I play a lot of, as well as some KOF96 and some of the Real Bouts, but yeah I'd say it's a safe bet that the overwhelming majority of what I play was made in 98 or after.
Funny, why didn't you quote the second half of that, but since you don't want to I'll do it for you.
"And because they are videogames, that makes the majority right. This isn't politics, this isn't good vs. evil or some question of moral or ethical values that society must decide upon, this is videogames.
I'm all for the minority fighting for a just cause if say the majority of people were advocating racial discrimination, but in the case of videogames it comes down to dealing with a product that goes into market.
Welcome to Capitalism 101, whatever the majority of consumers want is the right thing for your company to produce."
That is why the majority is always right, Videogames are PRODUCTS to be enjoyed. Its not a product that can harm people in any way, it doesn't require regulation, it's purely for entertainment purposes. Therefore what the majority of people want is the correct thing for a company to produce.
Hence it looks like SNK Playmore is going to make games on Atomiswave, cause they realize that they can make more money and get more fans because of it.
And please, just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not a good game. I dont' like GTA3 or Vice City but I won't deny that they're good games. If you can make a game that manages to sell millions and millions of copies for months on end and have those people testify every day that they love those games and play them all the time, well it's kind of hard to deny that the developers didn't produce something worth playing, even if it's not your cup of tea.
One in 200? Good god you are blind, There are so many great games, sure there is more crap but there are still more A+ titles coming out now than there were in the 16bit era. Hell even the Neo library isn't perfect. How many crappy 2D platformers were there on the NES/SNES/Genesis/Neo? More than enough.
BTW, Chrono Cross is awesome. It's not as great as the original which is still one of the greatest RPG's of all time. I got all 14 endings in the first game and all 11 in the second one and I enjoyed every damn second of it.
You think the 2D stuff had more love to it? That's your opinion, but it's definitely not mine. I have too many great "next gen" games to even remotely think that's true and I only keep games that I deem are good enough to own for pretty much the rest of my life.
Yeah pretty much the same thing, I can't really convince you otherwise from your opinion nor do I care how different it is from mine.
But as I pointed out before as far as videogames go, the majority is by definition right, because it exists in an open/free market where the majority of consumers ultimately determines what will be produced. If they decided to go in a direction that you don't agree with then that means that you either have to move with them and play the few titles you like or just stop playing new games all together.
BTW, hope you don't take any real offense to this, you're still invited to my place for the NJ get-together I'm having in August.
DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT! I've been WAITING to post that! Oh well, not only do we have a Hyper64 forum but also a NGPC section and if I remember correctly that's an 8-bit system.
SNK's 128bit games....mmmm the future looks incredible.
Kid Aphex
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Actually, it looks mediocre at best.JHendrix:
DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT! I've been WAITING to post that! Oh well, not only do we have a Hyper64 forum but also a NGPC section and if I remember correctly that's an 8-bit system.
SNK's 128bit games....mmmm the future looks incredible.
I think that's what people are trying to get across to you.
Playmore doesn't seem capable of anything original. So what if its 3d? 3D KOF2001 would still be a re-hash with polygons.
I could give two shits about KOF2k1 w/ 3D BG's, I'm more happy about the fact that there is a 3D KOF coming out for PS2, at least it'll be something different.Kid Aphex:
Actually, it looks mediocre at best.JHendrix:
DAMN IT DAMN IT DAMN IT! I've been WAITING to post that! Oh well, not only do we have a Hyper64 forum but also a NGPC section and if I remember correctly that's an 8-bit system.
SNK's 128bit games....mmmm the future looks incredible.
I think that's what people are trying to get across to you.
Playmore doesn't seem capable of anything original. So what if its 3d? 3D KOF2001 would still be a re-hash with polygons.
And if SNK is producing games for the Atomiswave, especially 2D fighters, then it'll be real damn nice to see something original coming to the KOF series in 2D.
Kid Aphex
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I was more or less referring to the fact that KOF2001 was probly the worst of the series; and along with that and the recycle-center that was KOF2002---Playmore has SHIT under their belt.
What the fuck makes you think they can pull of ANYTHING on a high-powered 2D system like the atomiswave---LET ALONE a 3D system like the PS2?
If they're on another system they don't have to code in assembly anymore, and aside from the graphics Playmore hasn't done very much recycling. Gameplay in 2k1 is pretty tight, although I prefer 2k2's speed.
They're both nothing compared to 98, but they're still pretty good.
I say put them on something where they DON'T HAVE ANY MORE LIMITATIONS and then we can see how they do!
Both Shito and Rade have established themselves and their personalities long before agreeing with what is right. Of course, when you agree with someone who is wrong, you're more likely of being an asskisser - otherwise, you're right. But not in the case of Tenshokyaku.
As for your restaurant, you should hit Burger King. It's affordable.
At least that's the impression you're giving me.And to whoever called me eurotrash - that was really funny. Care to explain what Eurotrash is?
Someone who doesn't like fat people?
Someone who doesn't like people that don't take care of their bodies and care about how they look in public?
Someone who cares about the quality of his furniture, the location of his home, and the people he associates with IRL?
Seriously praytell what eurotrash is. Because in any light I can imagine, it's as close to racism as anti-nationalism can get. wink
Loopz
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Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadies.......
C'mon man. Let's let these fucking vaporware projects come out first so we can THEN start bitching about 'em. The simple fact here is that MVS/AES is one day, sooner than later, going to die. That's it. Let's enjoy what comes out, and not rush it to the grave.
If they make a game on Atomiswave/Naomi/Jenna Jameson's giant clitoris, I don't fucking care.
If it's as good as the old shit (yeah, doubtful) then I'll be all over it like Terry Tate. If not, I'll be with all the diehards here bitching about it. The facts are as follows:
SNK/Playmore/Marvin's Asshole (whatever their name is this week) has never made a decent 3D game.
Most of the artists/creators of the best SNK games in existence are NO LONGER with the company.
Therefore, people here have a right to be skeptical about the development of a KOF3D. But spending this much time bitching about something we haven't seen one pic or real morsel of info on...chill the fuck out y'all. Play some KOF'98, or go to the strip club and get some titties in your face. Drink a beer and shaddap.
C'mon man. Let's let these fucking vaporware projects come out first so we can THEN start bitching about 'em. The simple fact here is that MVS/AES is one day, sooner than later, going to die. That's it. Let's enjoy what comes out, and not rush it to the grave.
If they make a game on Atomiswave/Naomi/Jenna Jameson's giant clitoris, I don't fucking care.
If it's as good as the old shit (yeah, doubtful) then I'll be all over it like Terry Tate. If not, I'll be with all the diehards here bitching about it. The facts are as follows:
SNK/Playmore/Marvin's Asshole (whatever their name is this week) has never made a decent 3D game.
Most of the artists/creators of the best SNK games in existence are NO LONGER with the company.
Therefore, people here have a right to be skeptical about the development of a KOF3D. But spending this much time bitching about something we haven't seen one pic or real morsel of info on...chill the fuck out y'all. Play some KOF'98, or go to the strip club and get some titties in your face. Drink a beer and shaddap.
Devil_Gans
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Ok, just done reading 8 pages of crap.I still see people bringing GGXX into the picture, calling it "shit" when talking about playmore moving to a new hardware.Same old tired "arguments".Very lame...
Bah!
I was expecting something better.
It's a good game(not the greatest BTW) by all means and it plays good.So there.
Bah!
I was expecting something better.
It's a good game(not the greatest BTW) by all means and it plays good.So there.
Call Shito and me ass lickers, but we happen to share the same sentiments as Chuck and Fran. I happen to love what people make on the Neo. I love the style. I wish they would put certain franchises to death, but that doesnt mean they need new hardware to do it. I want to see the hardware challenged for years to come. IN 1996, they made the best looking Neo game with ~300 megs. COuld you imagine what would be possible today given the effort? So much is possible on this machine. We just need fresh thinkers.
YOu can't call me an ass kisser. I made my own points and shared my unique view on the situation. It just happens to agree with a certain camp on this board we call Neo-Geo.com.
So, you know, just to put it in perspective; The Neo Geo is like a dream machine. To endure 3 generations of hardware and still be able to compete is amazing. I love 16 bit graphics. Love them.
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Man, this is so true. I'll take it 2 years back to 1994 with Samurai Shodown 2. I must've said this plenty of times on the board, but shit - that is hands down the best use of 202 megs I've ever seen. I hate to be one of those guys who constantly kisses SS2's ass, but this is one of the best examples of this. With the sizes they can work with now, they really and honestly could pull off some impressive stuff nowadays, and I'm not talking just graphics wise. Better graphics, better sound, better controls, better gameplay. Man, they really could do this if they put the effort.
Some people say that they don't have enough time to do stuff like this, but what about the days when they were cranking out games left and right? Simultaneously releasing AOF, FF, and SS games just to name a few. They aren't bringing us a heap load of games like they used to, so you'd think they'd have all the time in the world to work on something fresh.
New hardware would be nice, I'd be willing to accept it if they were creative with it, but the MVS isn't some ancient piece of hardware that's incapable of pulling off brilliant stuff. On either hardware (new, or MVS), it's all about being fresh, creative, and putting a lot of elbow grease into making some of the games that made us fall in love with SNK in the early 90s in the first place.
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Just curious. Have any of the people here who are totally against progress even played the two 3D Samurai Shodown games on the HNG64? I can tell you right now that those two games are extremely awesome, and are a prime example of how a 3D fighter should be done, and if you haven't played them, you're missing out. I get a feeling that Playmore could do the same thing with KOF.
the_colonel
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Son gohan said[/qb][/QUOTE]Man, this is so true. I'll take it 2 years back to 1994 with Samurai Shodown 2. I must've said this plenty of times on the board, but shit - that is hands down the best use of 202 megs I've ever seen. I hate to be one of those guys who constantly kisses SS2's ass, but this is one of the best examples of this. With the sizes they can work with now, they really and honestly could pull off some impressive stuff nowadays, and I'm not talking just graphics wise. Better graphics, better sound, better controls, better gameplay. Man, they really could do this if they put the effort.
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I couldnt agree more, so many features with great animation & a wealth of attacks to boot.
When you think about it, snk left there best franchises at great peaks with ss4, lb2, motw, ms3 & kof, except kof carried on.
The damage will be done when they release these titles, if they screw them up then snk/playmore is finished... so lets hope they can still work there magic. They should still make killer games out of there best selling brands, they've had about 2 years head start in making the above title sequels/prequels & all they have made so far is kof 01 & 02, which the hard work went into making 99 really. So they've had plenty of time to reshape there best titles. Best to just wait & see.
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I couldnt agree more, so many features with great animation & a wealth of attacks to boot.
When you think about it, snk left there best franchises at great peaks with ss4, lb2, motw, ms3 & kof, except kof carried on.
The damage will be done when they release these titles, if they screw them up then snk/playmore is finished... so lets hope they can still work there magic. They should still make killer games out of there best selling brands, they've had about 2 years head start in making the above title sequels/prequels & all they have made so far is kof 01 & 02, which the hard work went into making 99 really. So they've had plenty of time to reshape there best titles. Best to just wait & see.
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Cut + Paste what Loopz posted here but a few extra thoughts...
While I'm not one for 3D fighters anyway, after playing the likes of FF: Wild Ambition and SS: Warrior's Rage I'd have to say that IMO I'm rather skeptical that SNK Playmore could pull off a 3D KOF that'd be worth a shit. Then again I think if people were to concede there being such a game, they'd want it to look top notch like the stuff we're used to seeing from Sega and Namco.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing a 3D KOF truth be told but I'd be afraid that while I wanted it too look on par with the likes of Virtua Fighter 4, I'd get something more resembling Criticom or War Gods. loco At the very least if they wanted to make a 3D KOF, they should hit up Capcom and borrow the team who did Rival Schools or something.
As for the whole "redone with 3D poly backgrounds" thing...to me that's just a waste of time and resources. The characters do stand out on the 3D backgrounds but I just never got annoyed by it to the point where I couldn't play games like MvC2, CvS2, or KOF 99 Evo on DC.
Speaking of CvS2, I've long held the notion that the vibe it and the first CvS give me was that they were slap together efforts on Capcom's part. Hell, the black and white arrows in the first one and the rampant rehash of sprites in both games are clear examples (if I had nickel for every person who thought Morrigan's sprite looked so out of place).
Don't get me wrong, I like Capcom fighters, but I didn't have much faith in them to faithfully produce a balanced game that successfully melded the two fighting universes together given the amount of time there was from the initial announcement up to the first CvS's release. That didn't stop me from buying and playing either though
. If anything as I've stated in the SNK vs. Capcom forum, I would have left the "balanced gameplay" version up to SNK and have Capcom do an over the top style game similar to their other Vs. series of games.
In regards to the whole Atomiswave thing...I'm not sure if I wanna go down this path LOL. Being a sucker for nice crisp graphics would probably lump me in the "graphic whores" pool on here. Just IMHO though, them dropping the MVS cold turkey in favor of the Atomiswave doesn't sound all that pleasing. At the very least I'd rather they dual develop for both systems, using the Atomis to tinker with and experiment with gaming for the "mainstream" they're trying to regain a foothold in so they can get some of the phatty revenue that's to be had (yes I know at the expense of whoring out the franchises we all know and love but I'd hazard to make the argument that all of their "peers" in the industry do it too and they're just going with the flow).
While I'm not one for 3D fighters anyway, after playing the likes of FF: Wild Ambition and SS: Warrior's Rage I'd have to say that IMO I'm rather skeptical that SNK Playmore could pull off a 3D KOF that'd be worth a shit. Then again I think if people were to concede there being such a game, they'd want it to look top notch like the stuff we're used to seeing from Sega and Namco.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing a 3D KOF truth be told but I'd be afraid that while I wanted it too look on par with the likes of Virtua Fighter 4, I'd get something more resembling Criticom or War Gods. loco At the very least if they wanted to make a 3D KOF, they should hit up Capcom and borrow the team who did Rival Schools or something.
As for the whole "redone with 3D poly backgrounds" thing...to me that's just a waste of time and resources. The characters do stand out on the 3D backgrounds but I just never got annoyed by it to the point where I couldn't play games like MvC2, CvS2, or KOF 99 Evo on DC.
Speaking of CvS2, I've long held the notion that the vibe it and the first CvS give me was that they were slap together efforts on Capcom's part. Hell, the black and white arrows in the first one and the rampant rehash of sprites in both games are clear examples (if I had nickel for every person who thought Morrigan's sprite looked so out of place).
Don't get me wrong, I like Capcom fighters, but I didn't have much faith in them to faithfully produce a balanced game that successfully melded the two fighting universes together given the amount of time there was from the initial announcement up to the first CvS's release. That didn't stop me from buying and playing either though
. If anything as I've stated in the SNK vs. Capcom forum, I would have left the "balanced gameplay" version up to SNK and have Capcom do an over the top style game similar to their other Vs. series of games.In regards to the whole Atomiswave thing...I'm not sure if I wanna go down this path LOL. Being a sucker for nice crisp graphics would probably lump me in the "graphic whores" pool on here. Just IMHO though, them dropping the MVS cold turkey in favor of the Atomiswave doesn't sound all that pleasing. At the very least I'd rather they dual develop for both systems, using the Atomis to tinker with and experiment with gaming for the "mainstream" they're trying to regain a foothold in so they can get some of the phatty revenue that's to be had (yes I know at the expense of whoring out the franchises we all know and love but I'd hazard to make the argument that all of their "peers" in the industry do it too and they're just going with the flow).
Nick Goracke
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Even implying that the ratio has changed much from 15 years ago is funny. Funnier is the idea that people even pay attention to it - if you're bright enough, you'll wade through the chaff and get to the good stuff. And commenting on "soul" in games is just a convenient way of not saying "nostalgia".
But back to the topic at hand...
The Neo-Geo is stuck in a time warp. And I like it, if for nothing more than variety's sake. For me, it doesn't matter how much more sense it would make to move to new hardware - I don't need more games with that new school feel. I'd much rather hold out hope that the next release could be *good* and capture that 16-bit soul (read: nostalgia).
It's not "right". I don't care, either (and have no problem admitting it). It's the last link we have left, and I'd prefer to keep it that way. There's already so many sources for the newer goods...
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everyone in here likes cock except me.
and the problem is, neogeo doesnt suck, kof sucks.
the graphics were horrible in 94, theyre horrible today, and im not talking outside standards either. i'm talking about neo standards.
put ss3, rbffs, or aof3 next to any kof. youd think kof was on different hardware. its such shit.
the neo isnt dead, but developers enthusiasm is.
new hardware could give them the mental boost needed to get some great graphics and some new game play elements going.
theyve fallen into a rut with the neo, and theyre going to keep on going with it if you people keep buying.
if kof2k2, or maybe it should have happened with 2k1, didnt sell worth a shit, it might give them a wake up call, but the problem is they play too good, and people keep buying.
snk has actually put gameplay before graphics, but in this case, only because its easier.
and the problem is, neogeo doesnt suck, kof sucks.
the graphics were horrible in 94, theyre horrible today, and im not talking outside standards either. i'm talking about neo standards.
put ss3, rbffs, or aof3 next to any kof. youd think kof was on different hardware. its such shit.
the neo isnt dead, but developers enthusiasm is.
new hardware could give them the mental boost needed to get some great graphics and some new game play elements going.
theyve fallen into a rut with the neo, and theyre going to keep on going with it if you people keep buying.
if kof2k2, or maybe it should have happened with 2k1, didnt sell worth a shit, it might give them a wake up call, but the problem is they play too good, and people keep buying.
snk has actually put gameplay before graphics, but in this case, only because its easier.