Kamala Harris picked for VP.

Lagduf

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Firearms banned in China since 1996! I bet HKers wish they had some!

The older I get the less I give a shit about what kinds of guns people can buy.

I just want muh freedumbs, fam.

Contrary to popular belief I do hold hold political opinions on things other than firearms.
 

Lagduf

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Harris was the obvious choice because of the difficulty in attacking her as being too far left when the complaints about her within the party were the she was too far right on law and order issues.

So now, Trump's campaign has to try to complain about her record as AG while also trying to say she is approving or at least condoning the recent activity surrounding BLM and similar that Trump wants to paint as chaos and criminality.

That Fox op-ed from roker above shows this in microcosm. It complains about her record as too tough and then suggests she is a socialist. In combination, neither of these attacks will stick, they'll have to pick one, but neither are good. Attack her record as too tough on crime while Trump wants to paint himself as the law and order candidate or call her a socialist when she is quite clearly a recent convert at worst or more simply a bandwagoner during the primaries like everyone else was (including Biden).

So the best pick to help Biden win the election. Not, necessarily the best pick for what more left or progressive Democrats wanted?

If elected I wonder who our Governor will pick to take her senate spot?
 

lithy

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So the best pick to help Biden win the election. Not, necessarily the best pick for what more left or progressive Democrats wanted?

If elected I wonder who our Governor will pick to take her senate spot?

Definitely, it does hurt that she is from California which brings literally nothing to the table geographically, but since Biden just needs to run a 'not-Trump' campaign, giving him someone further left as ad fodder would have been a foolish move regardless of what the progressive left wants because they'll end up pulling the lever for Biden anyway.

I mean, maybe some will bail for Howie Hawkins, but I doubt more than will bail on Trump for Jo Jorgensen, so that's just a wash.
 

evil wasabi

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So the best pick to help Biden win the election. Not, necessarily the best pick for what more left or progressive Democrats wanted?

If elected I wonder who our Governor will pick to take her senate spot?

Chomsky had a line that relates to this sentiment, where you have to do the calculus of goods and bad in each situation to determine if the progressive stance is good or bad, and that in the example he gave, which I want to think was the cold war, he argued that hard line positions were more strategic for us at that moment.

In this instance, trying to elect the most progressive candidate is an example of putting the horse before the carriage, and right now we should be assembling a team that can repair the agencies of government, re-establish American international hegemony, mend bridges with our allies, and bring back the rule of law. This happens by establishing a competent cabinet, and appointing heads of agencies that understand their duty to defend their agencies, rather than loyalty to the president, and tasked to dismantle each agency (hello, USPS, FCC, EPA, Education, State, CPB, ICE, HSA, DOE, Interior, and our emaciated Smithsonian).

In short, it's not the time for a progressive who will divide the country. And when I say progressive, I mean those who take things way further left than Bernie does. Bernie's positions would probably bring the country together, in terms of decreasing the wealth gap, raising the average standard of living, etc. And we should explore the path to that ideal after Trump is removed.
 

Xavier

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She's going to tear Trump/Pences guts out. No it'll be more like in the nature documentaries when the big cats attack the prey at the sphincter until the entrails start dragging behind them.

She already is. I hope she makes the circuit and does a bunch of stumping. So far Biden has been doing a worse job then Hillary did. I've always thought he was kind of an idiot but he's really seems to have had some sort of cognitive decline in the last 6-8 years. I really hope he wakes up and snaps out of it soon.
 
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evil wasabi

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She's going to tear Trump/Pences guts out. No it'll be more like in the nature documentaries when the big cats attack the prey at the sprinter until the entrails start dragging behind them.

She already is. I hope she makes the circuit and does a bunch of stumping. So far Biden has been doing a worse job then Hillary did. I've always thought he was kind of an idiot but he's really seems to have had some sort of cognitive decline in the last 6-8 years. I really hope he wakes up and snaps out of it soon.

Do you really think that about Biden? I don't think he could have done better in this situation, given that there's a pandemic, and even Trump can't campaign. Biden has let Trump self destruct, while giving good zingers here and there. The bike ride was a great move, and it showed on Fox News, where the reporter ran up to Biden asked who his running mate would be, and Biden said "you!" It was a quick, likable, and impressive repartee.

Beyond that, people focusing on Biden's mental health are themselves displaying mental problems. Compared to Trump, who hasn't been the sharpest tool in the shed (just a tool, really), Biden hasn't made any gaffs that I would be troubled by. All I worry about is the competence of the team that he can assemble if he is elected president, and the ability of that team to restore the nation to prominence. You don't want to elect a micromanager, much less a mentally unsound micromanager.
 

Xavier

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I dunno I searched him on Youtube last week and only found a few recent clips. The socially distanced interview with Obama was OK but it was scripted and edited. There was some speech he was giving last month were he was slurring and seemed to keep forgetting about what he was talking about.

Oh well it is what it is. All that matters is that Trump isn't in the white house in a few months.

Yeah he's an idiot. He knows how the system and everything works though, he also knows everybody. I have zero doubt that he will put together a capable cabinet.
 

Marek

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Definitely, it does hurt that she is from California which brings literally nothing to the table geographically, but since Biden just needs to run a 'not-Trump' campaign, giving him someone further left as ad fodder would have been a foolish move regardless of what the progressive left wants because they'll end up pulling the lever for Biden anyway.

I mean, maybe some will bail for Howie Hawkins, but I doubt more than will bail on Trump for Jo Jorgensen, so that's just a wash.

This thread is for people who care about the future of democracy, not third party timewasting clowns.

Fuck off.
 

lithy

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This thread is for people who care about the future of democracy, not third party timewasting clowns.

Fuck off.

*lithy fucks off straight to the polls in a state that 'matters' to Poppy*
 

oliverclaude

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Duckworth would have been great. Abrams would have been better than Harris and offered the potential to flip GA. Not sure what Harris brings to the table.

Just some thoughts: Maybe Duckworth's military service was a problem? She fought in Iraq during Bush Junior's presidency. It was her job, yes, and she was very committed, but that war is considered controversial and has faced heavy criticism for known reasons. She also has asian roots, her mother is Thai-Chinese, and right now China is regarded as a threat. Whereas Abrams lost to Kemp in 2018 and is a strong Israel supporter. She's also unmarried. These aren't real cons, but maybe enough to loose to Harris, who brings a stellar CV to the table along with an estimated net worth of $5.8 million and a membership in the Third Baptist Church of San Francisco. She almost looks like a future candidate for the DP to run for President. A choice that seems to fit Biden: it garners a broad agreement, because it's tempered.
 

evil wasabi

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And the leg thing too, let's not kid ourselves.

I think her prosthetic legs are a symbol of her dedication to serving the country, even though I didn’t support that war, and felt anyone who enlisted were just on brown folk murder safari. Not everyone could serve in WW2 I guess, and we’re hitting that point where the last US veterans to fight to protect people and democracy have left their mortal coil. Now it’s people who fought to defend rubber trade, oil fields, Cold War installations, and the egos of prehistoric political wonks who should have been tried in The Hague long ago.
 

LoneSage

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I'd take you out for dinner if I was still home wasabi. You need to relax. You need a buddy to rib off of.
 
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