Bibliophile (Waseem Daker) Murder Case Update

galfordo

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this is starting to feel like groupthink

how do we know this guy is innocent?
 

Lagduf

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If their is a consensus it's that;

A.) Waseem made a great mistake in representing himself

and

B.) whats-her-name recanting her statement leaves serious questions about the conviction
 

aria

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The main issue is the whole "reasonable doubt" standard used in criminal law (rather than the looser evidence required for a civil trial) just got thrown into serious question by this latest development. Some here thought it wasn't even satisfied before the revelation, but now it's even harder to argue.
 

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Waseem has always maintained that he had a relationship with the lady. And until now, she had always denied it. This goes all the way back to shit that happened here.

It has always been my guess that he didn't act "right" maybe a little clingy (he was just a teenager) and threatened her marriage. At which point she had to hit him with the strongest accusations to save her marriage. Plus, as we have seen she is obsessed with him. Always has been.

Remember, all women are normal till you sleep with them. At that point, they turn into raging psychos. Some worse than others.
 

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Marek

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@Galfordo - No we dont know that or agree on that, I dont think.

This story is fucking unreal though. If Blatz is obsessed with Waseem, as she appears to be, then I can acknowledge persuasive arguments from both sides.

On one hand - Blatz lied on the stand because of some obsessive punitive fantasy involving Waseem, then recanted out of guilt.

On the other - Blatz told the truth on the stand, but recanted because of her obsession with Waseem.

Trippy.
 

galfordo

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@Galfordo - No we dont know that or agree on that, I dont think.

This story is fucking unreal though. If Blatz is obsessed with Waseem, as she appears to be, then I can acknowledge persuasive arguments from both sides.

On one hand - Blatz lied on the stand because of some obsessive punitive fantasy involving Waseem, then recanted out of guilt.

On the other - Blatz told the truth on the stand, but recanted because of her obsession with Waseem.

Trippy.

Blatz ... what an awesome name for a crazy fat chick
 

Jon

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Remember, all women are normal till you sleep with them. At that point, they turn into raging psychos. Some worse than others.

Sorry to hear about being routinely denied your "spousal permission slip", Fish.:lolz:;)

Jon
 

Cernex

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Good thing I didn't say a thing before in this thread (I think), that way I have to apologize for absolutely nothing!
 

MetalSludge

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Sad to say, but I suspect that the TV lawyers are right about the recanted testimony not making the difference. And even if they are wrong, it may take years to get around to a retrial or anything. A conviction is a powerful thing in the system.

Don't know if Bibs is innocent or not. But the thought that even his stalking conviction could be based on BS, let alone this most recent one, is scary as hell.

I always think of that case where a father was half convinced that he had killed his own family after endless police questioning, only for it to have turned out to be a former female friend who had killed his wife and son in a forest for wacky reasons. It was one of the cases profiled on the show "Autopsy." Police and prosecutors can be very aggressive. It's not really as hard as people think to end up convicted of something you did not do. If Bibs is innocent, at least he never backed down from affirming the truth of his innocence no matter how much questioning or accusation came his way, or the pressure to make a plea.
 

caleb1883

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There is a whole lot of reasonable doubt here. Too much to put a man in prison for.

And for those who are worried about what he will think about all the comments here if he gets out of prison, well, I would hope that he remembers the nature of this website. We make pretty outrageous and at times very sick jokes about all kinds of stuff. Add to it that we were the only place in the world that did anything to offer a dissenting opinion to his guilt throughout this entire ordeal and I believe he will be all good with most of us.
 
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