Marvel vs Capcom 3

[Taiso]

Let me try to explain a little more.

Vanilla IV was garbage - that single player lobby was ridiculous and, in addition to the other garbage that is IV, did cause me to flat out sell that game the same week I purchased it.

Conceded. But at the time, I was enamored of it because it was a new fighting game and I was excited because there was a huge online scene and the netcode seemed satisfactory. So it was a minor inconvenience.

Watching card porn gives me zero value. I have no way to prepare for the next match or consider new techniques.

I've never argued with this. Not once. But it has nothing to do with the core experience of playing the game itself. I have enjoyed MvC 3 by practicing, playing locally with some friends and trying out techniques. I've played in limited matches online (VERY few to this point) but watching card porn is boring to me. Nothing more.

So I don't buy the argument that it's a legitimate black mark on the game's overall quality or a dealbreaker in any way, shape or form.

To me, it's the equivalent of waiting in line to play a cabinet only to be told you're not allowed to be in the room when two other people are playing. But you can go watch youtube videos in the mean time. :\

If we could, at minimum, record and share matches... that could be different.

Or a trainer mode like BB while you wait would be great.

Insofar as learning techniques and combos from what people are doing, that can all be obtained in satisfactory measures online through tutorial vids, high level match play and other resources. These things exist and are out there. Hell, in these forums, we've exchanged ideas. Would all this be BETTER if we could watch matches online? Surely. But so what? We're talking about the game, and enjoying the discussion. I can make do with these methods of information exchange until watch play and match recording are added in a future update. Because they're not part of actually playing the game.

It's not the same experience as physically watching and experiencing it as though you are in the arcade. I get that. I was part of the Street Fighter generation. You talk about fighters with more than novice knowledge, so I have to believe you were, too. I live in Illinois, like you, and I toured the midwest and went from arcade to arcade to compete against other players and make friends.

And I agree-playing the game with other people and watching matches and exchanging strategies is a sublime experience. I lament the passing of that age. And it was a valuable social component of what made the early to mid nineties such a special part of this genre.

But this is all aside from actually playing the game. The game exists independent of these things. And we aren't noobs. We know how to play fighters. It's a matter of learning the engine and manipulating it to get better. As I've said, with all the online resources available to us these days, the tools are there to get better. I KNOW you check forums. There's tons of strats being talked about there.

It's no deal breaker, honestly. It's just unfortunate.

 

[Supasaru]

We pretty much have the exact same sentiments - especially your review of the experience, comradery and just general "good time" that was the old fighter scene.

I feel more than little disappointed in not being able to view the matches. The overall disappointment I get from not being able to watch matches is probably greatly influenced by the feeling of not having a @#$(! clue what I'm doing in this game. Something that seems to be shared with this thread.

The newness of the game is still very present. Searching relevant forums doesn't give me a direct answer to the cookie-cutter-combo-rush and watching youtube videos all day won't prepare me for the same rush in Ranked or Player matches. I'm left with trying to crunch some incomplete frame data - try the technique, lose, watch cards bump. Repeat.

I've chosen a completely different team out of the crazy number of characters available. I really feel like having just a moments glimpse into what another player answers certain things (like Zero rush) with would give me a much better, well rounded understanding.

Not having live player matches is definitely not a reason to NOT buy the game but.... I am extremely disappointed. Had it been BlazBlue, Guilty Gear, Tekken, SSFIV or any other system I'm already familiar with..... my disappointment would probably be unnoticeable. :\

Edit - In other news, I got my Brady guide from Amazon today. They were selling it for $10 and I couldn't find a single copy locally. Maybe cranking down on this will help reduce the match-viewing disappointment and help me find some better answers to a few things that are really tripping me up.

 

[Taiso]

I feel ya, bro. We will all get there.

I'd be surprised if they didn't implement lobby watching, chat and recording vids at some point. Seemed to be a really popular part of SSF IV, and it definitely helped to extend the life of that game by enhancing the social aspect.

It's nonsensical to disclude it from this game, unless they don't want people to be discouraged from playing it in these early stages when they see some of the insane shit going on. Let's face it, a number of people buying this game will be doing so because they like Marvel Super Heroes. It's probably not an insignificant number, either. But will they play it online when they see somebody in lobby peep demolish a person with a seventy hit combo? Capcom has to be careful not to kill the online community by discouraging the noobs.

Hmmm. Now I'm starting to wonder just how premeditated the decision to leave these things out actualy was. Probably the conspiracy theorist in me talking....

 

[Moon Jump]

I'm wondering if they had recording matches in from the start. If you've played as Deadpool he'll sometimes say, "HEY! Were ya' recording that!?" It just seems like they left the match recording, ghost data and lobby features out so they could get the game released sooner. For me that's the major thing wrong with the game is the online sucks. Takes forever to find a match, even when you put the feature on while you play the arcade mode you might get one or two matches, and you can't have a huge lobby with friends. I hope they patch it soon.

 

[megashock_330]

Besides, high damage is good...

umm

hi dmg that is easy, isnt good for me...

This is a legitimate reason to be concerned, but put your fears to rest. They're not THAT easy to do.

some of the one's on youtube, seem stupid easy

i guess u need xfactor to do them so its kinda a waste.... but still...i duno

Not being able to watch other people play a game is enough to almost make you consider not buying a game to own it and play it yourself?

i mean,it kinda sux big time

not everybody love's blazblue but, that game had awsome online, lobbie's where u can watch & record & dl match's, ect....

i duno maybe im just, spoiled by blazblue & other game's or something

anyhoo for mvc3, are there tier's out yet??

 

[Taiso]

some of the one's on youtube, seem stupid easy

i guess u need xfactor to do them so its kinda a waste.... but still...i duno

You shouldn't be convincing yourself not to buy this game. You should just get it and enjoy it.

i mean,it kinda sux big time

But enough not to buy the game? This is 'mountain out of a molehill' kinda stuff.

It's simple.

Rent it.

Play it.

Enjoy it? Buy it.

If not being able to watch gameplay in lobby is a such a catastrophically crippling factor for you AFTER you play the game, don't buy it.

Wait. I just had this conversation with Supa. Look, either buy it and put up with the MINOR inconvenience or don't.

not everybody love's blazblue but, that game had awsome online, lobbie's where u can watch & record & dl match's, ect....

i duno maybe im just, spoiled by blazblue & other game's or something

Probably so. It's not a big deal, really.

 

[Stuart989]

We pretty much have the exact same sentiments - especially your review of the experience, comradery and just general "good time" that was the old fighter scene.

I feel more than little disappointed in not being able to view the matches. The overall disappointment I get from not being able to watch matches is probably greatly influenced by the feeling of not having a @#$(! clue what I'm doing in this game. Something that seems to be shared with this thread.

The newness of the game is still very present. Searching relevant forums doesn't give me a direct answer to the cookie-cutter-combo-rush and watching youtube videos all day won't prepare me for the same rush in Ranked or Player matches. I'm left with trying to crunch some incomplete frame data - try the technique, lose, watch cards bump. Repeat.

I've chosen a completely different team out of the crazy number of characters available. I really feel like having just a moments glimpse into what another player answers certain things (like Zero rush) with would give me a much better, well rounded understanding.

Not having live player matches is definitely not a reason to NOT buy the game but.... I am extremely disappointed. Had it been BlazBlue, Guilty Gear, Tekken, SSFIV or any other system I'm already familiar with..... my disappointment would probably be unnoticeable. :\

Edit - In other news, I got my Brady guide from Amazon today. They were selling it for $10 and I couldn't find a single copy locally. Maybe cranking down on this will help reduce the match-viewing disappointment and help me find some better answers to a few things that are really tripping me up.

Typical paragraph of whining from a typical scrub.

 

[Dr Shroom]

I'm wondering if they had recording matches in from the start. If you've played as Deadpool he'll sometimes say, "HEY! Were ya' recording that!?" It just seems like they left the match recording, ghost data and lobby features out so they could get the game released sooner. For me that's the major thing wrong with the game is the online sucks. Takes forever to find a match, even when you put the feature on while you play the arcade mode you might get one or two matches, and you can't have a huge lobby with friends. I hope they patch it soon.

Deadpool says a lot of strange things

 

[alec]

Hey you never know, I played MVC2 online with a guy who ran his xbox through his VCR and taped everything. He went as far as to put my Dhalsim spam on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na6M9djHvIM
I wound up selling MVC3 after a week or so, I may get back into it one day who knows. If the game played like X-Factor was always on I think I'd like it more.

 

[Supasaru]

Typical paragraph of whining from a typical scrub.

You quoted that whole block and the best relational thought you could come up with was to call me a scrub? I retort by calling you a Halo player. What then, bishes, what then?

Everyone I know is on a rollercoaster with this game. I just got off of a 4 hour session through ranked and buddy lobbies, youtube videos and SRK threads. The strategy guide was a bit inspirational. I would definitely recommend snagging it if Amazon keeps it on sale for $10.

I am absolutely ecstatic with the engine in this and extremely happy it doesn't play anything like IV. I am extremely disappointed you can't view player matches and just to clarify - as I said, that's not a "don't buy it" gamebreaker, but it is a "I can't be buggered playing online right now because I don't want to watch card sex and/or spend 15 minutes trying to find a ranked match."

And I'm also extremely disappointed that Phoenix can superjump and do homing fireballs until the timer runs out with the camera focused on her so you can't see where to dodge. That's ass, and it's my reward for waiting 10 minutes for a ranked match. :\

 

[Taiso]

Friends and friends of friends only.

 

[complexz]

dropped invites to everyone on ng.com that I know currently playing, who knows if anyone will join but spin and reality check invited so far

add me up if you wanna play now anyone

psn: mistercomplexz

 

[Dr Shroom]

Hey you never know, I played MVC2 online with a guy who ran his xbox through his VCR and taped everything. He went as far as to put my Dhalsim spam on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na6M9djHvIM
I wound up selling MVC3 after a week or so, I may get back into it one day who knows. If the game played like X-Factor was always on I think I'd like it more.

Shit I'd love a replay function like in SSFIV or blazblue, one of the best features IMO and it really sucks not having anything like that in MvC3. I used to record some matches via my dazzle.

 

[complexz]

wowza, ggs again reality check.

this game is so fucking relentlessly addicting, the time melts away too fast. I didn't wanna stop but I had some shit to do and I was making a bit much noise with my buttons and verbal expressions of frustration.

sorry if my team gets boring man, I'll learn some alternates soon...

 

[Reality Check]

I only get bored of I played the same characters for too long. It's why I have three teams. Facing the same characters doesn't bother me.

Definitely GGs. We're equally matched.

 

[SPINMASTER X]

I just touched it for the first time and I'm down to play. Lovin me some Super Skrull.

 

[Moon Jump]

Ryota: "We threw in all the elements including ranking match, free match, rankings and the lobby, but we couldn't add in a spectator mode.

4Gamer: "Was it because of technical issues?"

Ryota: "That's correct. This title is a 3-on-3 and the game speed is very fast, so the volume of communication data is larger than in SSF4. Even if we added in all those kinds of systems, they'd be no good if the matches were full of lags.

4gamer: "Looking at it from the outside, we'd assume that throwing in the mode would have been easy since you guys have already done that in SSF4, but it's apparently not."

Ryota: "No. But I thought so in the beginning too (laughs)."

 

[Hewitson]

What a load of shit. If you're too lazy to do something at least have the balls to admit it.

 

[cannonball]

What a load of shit. If you're too lazy to do something at least have the balls to admit it.

If you don't understand software development at least have the decency not to comment.

 

[Dr Shroom]

Iron Man + Unibeam assist
Doom + Hidden Missile
Magneto + Disruptor

laughed my ass off earlier, how cheap can you get?

 

[Supasaru]

What a load of shit. If you're too lazy to do something at least have the balls to admit it.

If you don't understand software development at least have the decency not to comment.

Oh lawdy, ng.com is going to tell us how multi-million dollar software development works!

I thought everything on XBL was client->server, so I don't quite follow how they say that will make the games lag. Either way, they could've at least given us the ability to save matches and share them later.

 

[cannonball]

Oh lawdy, ng.com is going to tell us how multi-million dollar software development works!

I thought everything on XBL was client->server, so I don't quite follow how they say that will make the games lag. Either way, they could've at least given us the ability to save matches and share them later.

Woah, slow down there. Don't go thinking about how multi-million dollar software development works.
ng.com bro.

 

[OrochiEddie]

im on PSN playing some MvC3 right now for maybe an hour. SNKZato1 Hit me up

 

[Electric Grave]

Just hang in there NG.com! The proudest son of all Asgard will join the battle soon after the hordes of Hela fall defeated by the uru mallet.

Time has pressed forth and I have stayed behind for the all father, exalted beard of gold has granted me penance and as such I must walk among mortals once again without the power of the internetz, but once the omnipotent Odin grants me comcast powers I will enter the arena to challenge all.

Mortals can rest at ease knowing that the ever golden son of Odin will return to bring glory to these halls, forsooth!

 

[galvatron]

Just hang in there NG.com! The proudest son of all Asgard will join the battle soon after the hordes of Hela fall defeated by the uru mallet.

Time has pressed forth and I have stayed behind for the all father, exalted beard of gold has granted me penance and as such I must walk among mortals once again without the power of the internetz, but once the omnipotent Odin grants me comcast powers I will enter the arena to challenge all.

Mortals can rest at ease knowing that the ever golden son of Odin will return to bring glory to these halls, forsooth!

If you play any team not involving Thor after that post, I might have to file a complain on XBL or PSN...epic, literally.

I'm also up for some games. Haven't had much time to play, but I think this'll be my main fighting game for the forseeable future. I've never been good at the vs. stuff, but now that I've got the guide I want to give being decent at this game a try. Spending a lot of time in mission mode, but its actually making my game worse since I don't have much in match experience. Still trying to decide on a team. I thought it ws all about arthur/chun/doom, but I really only have a handle on arthur...

anyway
XBL: doc wily
PSN: doc-wily