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This guide is an informative page to allow you to determine if the game you are looking at is legitimate Neo Geo cart. Not all of the information here will mean that the game is 100% legitimate, so this guide will be broken out into sections to show what is or isn't a legitimate game.
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This guide will help you distinguish legitimate Neo Geo MVS carts from bootlegs. Neo Geo bootlegs have many different defining characteristics, and they may be difficult to identify.
  
  
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==General Tips==
 
==General Tips==
  
When buying for a seller (ESPECIALLY when dealing with a new seller or an eBay seller), be sure to request pictures of the boards and in a high enough detail to read the numbers on the chips. If a seller is unwilling to provide this or does not reply, it's better to not make a deal for a game, only to have your hopes dashed when you find out it's a bootleg.
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When purchasing an MVS cart (''especially'' on eBay), make sure to request photos of the game's circuit boards--and at a high enough resolution to see details on the chips and soldering joints. Be wary of sellers that are unwilling to provide this.
  
Also, BEWARE OF SCAMMERS! If there is money to be made off of people, there will always be those that are more than willing to spend time trying to get something for nothing. Remember, the feedback forum is your friend in this case.
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Also, '''beware of scammers'''! Some sellers will try to defraud you by misrepresenting bootlegged games as original Neo Geo cartridges.  For more information visit the neo-geo.com [http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=32 Feedback Forum], and the [http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178982 SCAMMERS, TIMEWASTERS, AND THIEVES] thread in particular.
  
[http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=32 Feedback Forum]
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===Boot or No Boot Sub-Forum===
  
In fact, there are some people that have even become well known just for scamming.
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If this guide doesn't give you complete confidence in the legitimacy of your game (or if you bought a boot and want to show it off in all it's bootiness), post photos of the circuit boards in the [http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=46 Boot or No Boot Sub-Forum].
 
 
[http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125688 Japhei/Casey]
 
[http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177116 Sonofx51 (Jose)]
 
[http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196365 NeoGeofl]
 
[http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157508 japangamesnow]
 
[http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150373 NeoGeo Freak]
 
[http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115738 BennyRichards]
 
[http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169863 SirRuizJr]
 
 
 
And also, [http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178982 SCAMMERS, TIMEWASTERS, AND THIEVES]
 
  
  
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==Oddities==
 
==Oddities==
  
(As originally posted by Ely13, updated by mmsada, further updated by Phyeir)
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--Games that are not bootlegs with known oddities--
  
--Games that are not bootlegs with known oddities--
 
 
Power Spikes II - Blue Capacitor
 
Power Spikes II - Blue Capacitor
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Quest of Jongmaster - Blue Capacitor
 
Quest of Jongmaster - Blue Capacitor
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SVC Chaos - Small daughterboard on top of chip
 
SVC Chaos - Small daughterboard on top of chip
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Samurai Shodown 5 - Small daughterboard on top of chip
 
Samurai Shodown 5 - Small daughterboard on top of chip
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Puzzle Bobble / Bust-A-Move - NGH # from PB and Power Spikes 2, several EPROM
 
Puzzle Bobble / Bust-A-Move - NGH # from PB and Power Spikes 2, several EPROM
Metal Slug 3 - Some carts may have a daughterboard (looks like a neo-geo pocket cart soldered to a normal mvs board?)
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Metal Slug 3 - Some carts may have a daughterboard (looks like a neo-geo pocket cart soldered to a normal mvs board)
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King of Fighters 2000 - Daughterboard which appears to be a Neo Geo pocket cart soldered onto the MVS board
 
King of Fighters 2000 - Daughterboard which appears to be a Neo Geo pocket cart soldered onto the MVS board
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Kizuna Encounter - Shares NGH # from Savage Reign
 
Kizuna Encounter - Shares NGH # from Savage Reign
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Zupapa! - One windowed EPROM on the lower left of the board.
 
Zupapa! - One windowed EPROM on the lower left of the board.

Latest revision as of 12:03, 22 August 2009

This guide will help you distinguish legitimate Neo Geo MVS carts from bootlegs. Neo Geo bootlegs have many different defining characteristics, and they may be difficult to identify.



General Tips

When purchasing an MVS cart (especially on eBay), make sure to request photos of the game's circuit boards--and at a high enough resolution to see details on the chips and soldering joints. Be wary of sellers that are unwilling to provide this.

Also, beware of scammers! Some sellers will try to defraud you by misrepresenting bootlegged games as original Neo Geo cartridges. For more information visit the neo-geo.com Feedback Forum, and the SCAMMERS, TIMEWASTERS, AND THIEVES thread in particular.

Boot or No Boot Sub-Forum

If this guide doesn't give you complete confidence in the legitimacy of your game (or if you bought a boot and want to show it off in all it's bootiness), post photos of the circuit boards in the Boot or No Boot Sub-Forum.


Positive Signs

All chips on the SNK board match that game's NGH number

What is this "NGH Number" that I speak of? It is the identification number that was stamped on each chip within each Neo Geo cart. You can find this number in the Neo-Geo.com Master List. Really, this is the ONLY true way to know that your game is legitimate. While the label & case can be replaced, what matters in the Neo-Geo collecting/buying world to be original is that the boards & chips themselves are from the factory, made by SNK.

Label is shown as original but is scratched

While this may make a cart not of 100% pristine condition, this is actually not a bad thing. Think of it from a logic standpoint, why would anyone remove the serial number on an already illegal bootleg? This does not mean though, that the boards & corresponding chips inside are real, because someone could just as easily have removed the original boards, packed them into another spare case, and used the original case to try and pull a fast one. So again, the main fact above still should be investigated.

Possible Bad Signs

Windowed EPROMS present on the board

First, what's a windowed EPROM? A windowed EPROM is a chip that instead of having a solid top surface, in the center is a round window where you can see a smaller chip inside. In most cases, these chips are a sure sign that you have a bootleg. While there were some in house SNK repairs or manufactured games (see oddities section below) that have a windowed EPROM or two, if you see multiple or all windowed EPROMS, you're probably dealing with a bootleg game.

Non-SNK stamped board

In house manufactured Neo Geo games used specific boards with SNK stamped on them. If you have a game that DOESN'T have a board with this stamp, then it shows that the board is not an original release.

Meaningless Signs

Original Label, Original Case, SNK Boards

All of these signs, while original manufacture, can easily be pulled off a copy of a cheaper version of the game (except for the label, just from trouble of transplanting one place to another). Remember, what's really important is what is on the inside and on the chips.

Oddities

--Games that are not bootlegs with known oddities--

Power Spikes II - Blue Capacitor

Quest of Jongmaster - Blue Capacitor

SVC Chaos - Small daughterboard on top of chip

Samurai Shodown 5 - Small daughterboard on top of chip

Puzzle Bobble / Bust-A-Move - NGH # from PB and Power Spikes 2, several EPROM

Metal Slug 3 - Some carts may have a daughterboard (looks like a neo-geo pocket cart soldered to a normal mvs board)

King of Fighters 2000 - Daughterboard which appears to be a Neo Geo pocket cart soldered onto the MVS board

Kizuna Encounter - Shares NGH # from Savage Reign

Zupapa! - One windowed EPROM on the lower left of the board.