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I'm sorry, aside from some new controllers I find Nintendo to be the opposite of innovative. See "New" Super Mario Bros....
So the Wii U........What exactly is Nintendo playing at?
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Your sentiment is admirable, but what you want has nothing to do with what 'is'.
Nobody's saying you shouldn't like Nintendo, but you're arguing from the standpoint of what you believe without looking at the reality of the situation. At least, in my opinion.
You are trying to ennoble Nintendo because they 'take chances' and are championing some imaginary cause that will somehow lead to healing the industry.
Nintendo didn't heal the industry last time around with the Wii. They did their own thing. They built a suburb and lived removed from the rest of the industry. They didn't really create that many new gamers in the end. The Wii U's sales proved it.
And good for them for doing it. But they're trying to do it all over again and they got caught cheating.
Industry forecasts are usually right more often than they're wrong. This is simply the cold, hard truth. And the forecast looks grim for the Wii U.
And all of the 'I'm just glad my games are coming out for it' and 'Nintendo is keeping the torch burning' comments don't matter in the face of the future.
Of course Nintendo isn't going to 'die.' Nobody's saying that. What is being said is that the Wii U is likely to end up in the shitter if they don't pull off some miraculous comeback.
That would be a blow to niche gaming, which I believe needs to exist to maintain variety. But even if I buy the games, even if I champion the cause, even if I 'believe' that the big N is the savior of the gaming universe...it does not mean anything changes.
You're ok in my book, Moe. We're just talking about stuff. Talking about stuff doesn't ruffle my feathers.
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I wouldn't be upset if the Wii U was Nintendo's last console hardware. Restructuring into a third party dev will always be an option for them. Still, I get the feeling that Iwata is pressing first and second party devs to produce before Infinity/PS4 launch. It's his head on the chopping block afterall.
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Nah, Nintendo has a massive surplus of cash, they could do this for years to come and it really wouldn't have a drastic effect on the companies well being.
Actually, I think if anything, the pull of Nintendo franchises could prove to be stronger with Wii U than it was with GameCube; as there's a whole new generation of "Nintendo kids" that were raised on Wii. I think a lot of you naysayers are underestimating that.
I also don't think EA games on Nintendo platforms have ever really mattered, sure it will put some small dent in the Wii U over the long haul if EA doesn't make any more games for it(which is up in the air btw, EA never said they're done with the platform); but I think people are exaggerating the importance of EA. If Activision and UbiSoft followed suite then sure, I'd agree that Wii U is in very serious trouble.
But as it stands, it's simply premature to do the heavy doom & gloom when it comes to Wii U. Sure we have a nasty dry spell, sure Nintendo wasn't quite prepared for HD, but dry spells & the first year after consoles launches is pretty normal and this is pretty similar to what 3DS went through. But I also think slow launches are perhaps reflective of the state of the industry, and I think PS4 & the nextbox will struggle to meet projections in their first year as well.
And yes, I do own a Wii U, and yes I am happy with it; but I plan to buy at least PS4 as well, so I'm not strapped to the hip with my Nintendo platforms here. I think Wii U can see plenty of success filling it's own space in the market, it doesn't have to be an all-in-one gaming solution to succeed, but that's exactly the bar that the naysayers are holding it up to, and if it doesn't meet that then it's a "failure".
All I'm saying is wait until E3 to see what's going on, wait until we see the holiday Wii U release roster, wait until the holiday comes & goes & we get sales numbers; and if all that goes terribly for Wii U then I'll agree with you guys.
Also, the focus on tech specs as the primary driver of so much negativity surrounding Wii U is absolutely true, and I think it's highly unwarranted. We don't need every game being so heavily focused on graphics, all the bloated budgets on console games is a large part of the problems in the industry, games cost so much that publishers are less willing to take risks, we get less interesting & creative games, more games are the result of focus groups, more sequels etc etc.
I also don't think EA games on Nintendo platforms have ever really mattered, sure it will put some small dent in the Wii U over the long haul if EA doesn't make any more games for it(which is up in the air btw, EA never said they're done with the platform); but I think people are exaggerating the importance of EA. If Activision and UbiSoft followed suite then sure, I'd agree that Wii U is in very serious trouble.
But as it stands, it's simply premature to do the heavy doom & gloom when it comes to Wii U. Sure we have a nasty dry spell, sure Nintendo wasn't quite prepared for HD, but dry spells & the first year after consoles launches is pretty normal and this is pretty similar to what 3DS went through. But I also think slow launches are perhaps reflective of the state of the industry, and I think PS4 & the nextbox will struggle to meet projections in their first year as well.
And yes, I do own a Wii U, and yes I am happy with it; but I plan to buy at least PS4 as well, so I'm not strapped to the hip with my Nintendo platforms here. I think Wii U can see plenty of success filling it's own space in the market, it doesn't have to be an all-in-one gaming solution to succeed, but that's exactly the bar that the naysayers are holding it up to, and if it doesn't meet that then it's a "failure".
All I'm saying is wait until E3 to see what's going on, wait until we see the holiday Wii U release roster, wait until the holiday comes & goes & we get sales numbers; and if all that goes terribly for Wii U then I'll agree with you guys.
Also, the focus on tech specs as the primary driver of so much negativity surrounding Wii U is absolutely true, and I think it's highly unwarranted. We don't need every game being so heavily focused on graphics, all the bloated budgets on console games is a large part of the problems in the industry, games cost so much that publishers are less willing to take risks, we get less interesting & creative games, more games are the result of focus groups, more sequels etc etc.
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Kids weren't 'raised' on the Wii because that console was treated in an entirely different context and represents a different type of force in peoples' lives than other platforms, even the 3DS, do.
The Wii is the 'holiday bowling' system.
It is the faddist system.
Now most of these 'Wii kids' have forgotten they even own one, as it probably sits under their couch collecting dust until the holidays. Even today, people treat it the same way as they treat the pet rock. It's a novelty, and one whose time has passed.
Novelties don't create long term customer bases. They come and they fade away.
Nobody's underestimating anything and this console will not trend the way the others trend because its ceiling for game development is considerably lower than the competitors. When the other consoles came along, there was untapped potential that the publishers, in their current mindset, just hadn't touched yet.
As it concerns the Wiii U, there is untapped potential but the publishers don't want to bother discovering it. Until publishers rediscover how to do more with less, they aren't going to waste time.
You say 'we don't need every game being so heavily focused on graphics,' but are you a major publisher of triple A titles that drive the industry focus and create the perceptions that make or break products? Maybe you don't need it, but the people that matter in these things DO want that. They want EXACTLY that. Because that, for good or ill, is what sells.
And if this trend continues, as it likely will, how long before the indy groups decide it's not worth the time and resources to make Wii U versions of their virtual marketplace products because no one cares about the console? Because this is the first step smaller companies take when financially challenged-focus their efforts on reliable streams of income.
The Wii is the 'holiday bowling' system.
It is the faddist system.
Now most of these 'Wii kids' have forgotten they even own one, as it probably sits under their couch collecting dust until the holidays. Even today, people treat it the same way as they treat the pet rock. It's a novelty, and one whose time has passed.
Novelties don't create long term customer bases. They come and they fade away.
Nobody's underestimating anything and this console will not trend the way the others trend because its ceiling for game development is considerably lower than the competitors. When the other consoles came along, there was untapped potential that the publishers, in their current mindset, just hadn't touched yet.
As it concerns the Wiii U, there is untapped potential but the publishers don't want to bother discovering it. Until publishers rediscover how to do more with less, they aren't going to waste time.
You say 'we don't need every game being so heavily focused on graphics,' but are you a major publisher of triple A titles that drive the industry focus and create the perceptions that make or break products? Maybe you don't need it, but the people that matter in these things DO want that. They want EXACTLY that. Because that, for good or ill, is what sells.
And if this trend continues, as it likely will, how long before the indy groups decide it's not worth the time and resources to make Wii U versions of their virtual marketplace products because no one cares about the console? Because this is the first step smaller companies take when financially challenged-focus their efforts on reliable streams of income.
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Who really wants the WiiU to be another hardcore system? It's the only platform that offers something mildly different.(Unless we see something crazy from M$ today)
I'd rather have Call of Duty on Xbox and PS4, and then some quirky games over on WiiU.
Just like with the Wii, I was able to get my folks to play with the WiiU. We walked past all our old neighborhoods with WiiU Google App. Revisited some vacation spots. etc. The Panorama vids are low quality for me, but my folks don't know that.
I'd rather have Call of Duty on Xbox and PS4, and then some quirky games over on WiiU.
Just like with the Wii, I was able to get my folks to play with the WiiU. We walked past all our old neighborhoods with WiiU Google App. Revisited some vacation spots. etc. The Panorama vids are low quality for me, but my folks don't know that.
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Nintendo wanted it to be that.
And if they didn't, then they lied to the market, in both their words and their actions.
The publishers moving away is a bad thing because it's basically them saying 'Thank god this console isn't hitting. Now we don't have to bother wasting money, time and resources learning the architecture because no one cares about it.'
I don't think anyone's taking that away from you.
The problem is that if the system fails, how much more development except for first party product can you expect?
I am honestly, legitimately glad you were able to share some quality moments with your family over the Wii U's capabilities, but most people will not bother wasting money on a console to do this. There are plenty of other avenues for people to have those moments. Most reasonably minded people will save that $300 and use it to buy things they need.
They have their Wii. They have their bowling. They have their smartphones. They're good.
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Most probably, in this day and age, an iPad (or similar tablet).
Side note: this thread has made for good reading since the great EA dismissal...
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Most people who reasonably manage their money, like the average consumer that bought into the Wii, aren't going to waste it on a Wii U when there are plenty of alternatives, most of which they already have, to engage social media exchanges.
Most people are going to say "I already have a Wii and a smartphone or tablet. I don't need a Wii U."
It's not about having the money. It's about not spending 300 dollars when you already have other devices that accomplish that function. Most reasonable people think that way.
Additionally, this conversation isn't about us. It's about the industry and the market, of which we here at ng.com are an inconsequential faction.
Well, maybe not inconsequential if you consider how pitiful the Wii U's sales have beein.
Most people are going to say "I already have a Wii and a smartphone or tablet. I don't need a Wii U."
It's not about having the money. It's about not spending 300 dollars when you already have other devices that accomplish that function. Most reasonable people think that way.
Additionally, this conversation isn't about us. It's about the industry and the market, of which we here at ng.com are an inconsequential faction.
Well, maybe not inconsequential if you consider how pitiful the Wii U's sales have beein.
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http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/x86-architecture-vs-nintendo/
It's just an opinion piece, but I think it is definitely a valid point we haven't really mentioned here.
It's just an opinion piece, but I think it is definitely a valid point we haven't really mentioned here.
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No you won't, Gamecube games aren't compatible... No F-Zero GX
Wait.... it will be available next year on the virtual console in HD for $19.99!!! yay!!!
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No you won't, Gamecube games aren't compatible... No F-Zero GX
Wait.... it will be available next year on the virtual console in HD for $19.99!!! yay!!!
I didn't know that because I still have my Gamecube, like most people that would want to play Gamecube games.
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x86 means my computer will always be better than the 4th gen consoles, unless i want hand wavy camera controls.
It ultimately means I will be able to play those games on my PC, without spending any money. I give it less than a year.
edit bump:
http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4351844/ea-developing-wii-u-games
Told....ya.....so.......
It ultimately means I will be able to play those games on my PC, without spending any money. I give it less than a year.
edit bump:
http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/4351844/ea-developing-wii-u-games
Told....ya.....so.......
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Sony was actually fairly high on that list if I remember right. There were more companies than the four listed in that picture.
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So... There´s a 50$ pricecut and also the wind waker pack is now available for preorder.
Maybe this will bring at least some sales?
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/...al-price-cut-wind-waker-bundle-announced.html
Maybe this will bring at least some sales?
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/...al-price-cut-wind-waker-bundle-announced.html