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ban this motherfucker rimm_rs, hell i'd pull a godfather on his ass for messing with the family and blow up his car.
What happened to rimm_rs's SSVS preorder thread?!?
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EvilWasabi said:
Not advertising just saying how I would react. I would take my business elsewhere.
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B.I.GPSYCHE said:
welcome to the internet: "where every internet dork is an online badass"
you can all stop your mindless bitching now as big bear and (especially) lithy just walked all over you by actually using *gasp* logic in what they have said.
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roms........
Surely the first people to be banned would be the rom users....
If I was a mod they would be the first to go, after all that
is what killed the Neo Geo in the long run....
EvilWasabi said:
Surely the first people to be banned would be the rom users....
If I was a mod they would be the first to go, after all that
is what killed the Neo Geo in the long run....
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romz
I am 100% serious if I was a mod and any one on this site mentioned
they used Neo Geo roms or emulators that would warrant an instant ban..
This is a Neo site after all not a romz site....
Romz killed the Neo..........
EvilWasabi said:
I am 100% serious if I was a mod and any one on this site mentioned
they used Neo Geo roms or emulators that would warrant an instant ban..
This is a Neo site after all not a romz site....
Romz killed the Neo..........
I think the neo isn't really dead, but if you mean the fact that we're not getting new games after SS0S, you can attribute that to poor company management, which has plagued SNK since before you probably knew the online neo-geo scene existed.
Neo Geo games weren't exactly selling better in 1997 compared to today. If you think so, I'd be interested to find out why. Today, the neogeo is widely known due well in part to emulation. And while I don't advocate the emulation of new releases, the use of past and no longer manufactured games through emulators doesn't affect SNK. Just the collectors, and honestly, they are negligible, at best.
Neo Geo games weren't exactly selling better in 1997 compared to today. If you think so, I'd be interested to find out why. Today, the neogeo is widely known due well in part to emulation. And while I don't advocate the emulation of new releases, the use of past and no longer manufactured games through emulators doesn't affect SNK. Just the collectors, and honestly, they are negligible, at best.
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now
I'm everything but an ass kisser and last time I ordered from neo-store was in november 2k2, so even before I registered here, and I'm not planning to buy anything else so I couldn't care less
but all this whining is just fucking ridicolouse
It's like when you make a party at your house and some asshole start complaining about what you've prepared to eat or to drink....fuck that, thank god I've invited you and made you drinking my beer
on topa that I find this board one of the most democratic and open-minded I've ever seen on the web
if I was the admin I would:
-take off the selling/buying forum...I'll leave just a link of my store
-delete these kind of threads as soon as they start
-ban Chicago
-ban the state of France
I'm everything but an ass kisser and last time I ordered from neo-store was in november 2k2, so even before I registered here, and I'm not planning to buy anything else so I couldn't care less
but all this whining is just fucking ridicolouse
It's like when you make a party at your house and some asshole start complaining about what you've prepared to eat or to drink....fuck that, thank god I've invited you and made you drinking my beer
on topa that I find this board one of the most democratic and open-minded I've ever seen on the web
if I was the admin I would:
-take off the selling/buying forum...I'll leave just a link of my store
-delete these kind of threads as soon as they start
-ban Chicago
-ban the state of France
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kaos said:
Fixed.
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kaos said:
Didn't know that France was a state....
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Freelancer said:
heh
I'm not completely wrong
things are changing. we got something called europarliament: one of its target is to make Europe like an union of states (just certain...Italy, France, Germany...etc.), something like the US
so maybe in a very far future we'll talk about italian and french "states" and not countries anymore
things of course aren't working properly since we have so many different languages, traditions, interests and such
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Bulletnyourass said:I hope that the same mods that are voting on Ryan's current status are as forgiving as they were when:
Kyokugen Star Stole, ripped off, scammed, cheated, swindled, bamboozled Bahamut in a deal where he (KS) sold Bahamut a Metal Slug 1 US AES CONVERSION as a legitimate cart. KS NEVER refunded Bahamut his money and remained here on the forums under a different name (Retaliator)....and all those years the mods (at least 1) knew it was him. I guess sometimes the Pendulum Of Justice has a weight countersinked to it so it can swing stronger in "designated " directions.
Phillip
I just had a very quick view to all the Drama in this thread, and this caught my attention. Not to defend KS (he is a worthless piece of shit for what he did), but you are forgetting that that scam happened on ebay, I think there wasn't even a thread advertising that auction here, so that theft happened outside this forum, in spite of both of them being members here so arising Drama here. That's why you can't compare that situation to this one (they are of very different nature anyway)
I didn't even now about JPN before this thread, and I don't really see it like a rip-off of the neostore. All videogame selling sites that are not a "big" retail company look similar to me, and specially the Neo Geo related ones. Maybe its design is inspired in the neostore one, but I don't see anything wrong on it. As long as he doesn't steal pictures nor descriptions (which I didn't check) it shold be OK.
Here in Spain we have a friend that has quite some store credit in the neostore due to a past big sale to it, and what he does is buy stuff from it for all his friends here, so we save shipping and get some bulk discount. Anyway rimm was taking this too far, but I think Shawn shouldn't offer bulk discounts over 6 pieces unless you pay in advance.
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Amano Jacu said:
Fixed.
There are 240 posts on this subject, and no matter yourstand, I respect your viewpoint - even if I don't like or agree with it. At this point there is no new information surfacing. This will be my last post becasue every point of this good and bad has been address over and over.
MY silence does not mean I agree with what is said, it simply is that there is no point in debating another person's "feeling".
I do want to take a second to restate my stance:
I do not see a terrible deed here, I see a guy trying to do something he did before once again (don't forget MS5), because people would dig it. I saw a bulk order poilcy that was open to all. You can argue "spirit" or whatever, but you're not right to do so. The words are what matter and they were clear: anyone could do it.
Here are the MS5 threads, notice how few people were mad about it:
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81661&highlight=ms5+preorder
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74266&highlight=ms5+preorder
Not a single policy was changed from the MS5 to SSVS preorder oneither my side or Shawn's. In other words I was making no money and doing it for the same reasons. Back then people saw it as me digging the game; it amazes me that is not so clear right now.
As for Why it could be done at all:
Shawn did not say ANYTHING to the effect of "do not do this again". He did not modify his policies very much. Example of how to close this issue offahead of time:
#1. Write "some restrictions apply" on the preorder page.
#2. Write me an e-mail stating, "No more preorders". When he was sent that big fat check for MS5, it seemed like he was quite happy. Seems I was wrong.
I still thinkIscrewed up on my half of this and that Shawn screwed up on his half of it. No one is totally guilty here, no one is totally innocent. This is NOT black and white.
Would Shawn have ened upaloser on this deal? I don't think so. As of when the thread was canned 8 out of 12 people said they were not going to buy the game for $365 and would have waited for a price drop or until is was used and thus cheaper. So if Shawn lost $30 of profit over retail on 4 copies, but makes 8 more sales at, say $50 profit over cost, then (I am making up numbers, but the forumla works) the Net result is $280 more proit. The number are solid.
I am not saying I was doing because I am trying to make Shawn rich. Still, the $ would be there and that is a benefit.
The consumer would have gotten a good deal; me included as I would have purchased 2 copies myself.
So this group benefits, also.
I saw it as a win-win for all people involved.
And I would have made $0 myself. WOuld I geta reputation boost? Of course. Would I spend a lot of time doing something people would hate? Of course not.
Look, as hard as it may be to beleive, I was doing it for the game. I have been a Neo gamer since 1990 and the last game meansone hell of alot to me. SomethingI have loved for 14 years is finally going to pass on. It to me almost is like a favorite cat or dog passing away; it is sad and I will miss it.
Some here have hadsome good times with their Neos whether playing alone or with friends that they will honestly say made their lives a little better even if just for a moment.
I am one of these people and in the "moment", I got caught up and acted under a lof of assumptions. I made some errors in HOW I did things. That is not to say that Shawn is immune from this. He too made some errors and between the two of us you get this mess.
WHAT I did I still feel good about. I figured we'd all come out on top and in life, ask yourself honestly, how often does that happen?
And when I get banned over that, I will be saddened to not be able to post here, but will be OK with what got me banned.
MY silence does not mean I agree with what is said, it simply is that there is no point in debating another person's "feeling".
I do want to take a second to restate my stance:
I do not see a terrible deed here, I see a guy trying to do something he did before once again (don't forget MS5), because people would dig it. I saw a bulk order poilcy that was open to all. You can argue "spirit" or whatever, but you're not right to do so. The words are what matter and they were clear: anyone could do it.
Here are the MS5 threads, notice how few people were mad about it:
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81661&highlight=ms5+preorder
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74266&highlight=ms5+preorder
Not a single policy was changed from the MS5 to SSVS preorder oneither my side or Shawn's. In other words I was making no money and doing it for the same reasons. Back then people saw it as me digging the game; it amazes me that is not so clear right now.
As for Why it could be done at all:
Shawn did not say ANYTHING to the effect of "do not do this again". He did not modify his policies very much. Example of how to close this issue offahead of time:
#1. Write "some restrictions apply" on the preorder page.
#2. Write me an e-mail stating, "No more preorders". When he was sent that big fat check for MS5, it seemed like he was quite happy. Seems I was wrong.
I still thinkIscrewed up on my half of this and that Shawn screwed up on his half of it. No one is totally guilty here, no one is totally innocent. This is NOT black and white.
Would Shawn have ened upaloser on this deal? I don't think so. As of when the thread was canned 8 out of 12 people said they were not going to buy the game for $365 and would have waited for a price drop or until is was used and thus cheaper. So if Shawn lost $30 of profit over retail on 4 copies, but makes 8 more sales at, say $50 profit over cost, then (I am making up numbers, but the forumla works) the Net result is $280 more proit. The number are solid.
I am not saying I was doing because I am trying to make Shawn rich. Still, the $ would be there and that is a benefit.
The consumer would have gotten a good deal; me included as I would have purchased 2 copies myself.
So this group benefits, also.
I saw it as a win-win for all people involved.
And I would have made $0 myself. WOuld I geta reputation boost? Of course. Would I spend a lot of time doing something people would hate? Of course not.
Look, as hard as it may be to beleive, I was doing it for the game. I have been a Neo gamer since 1990 and the last game meansone hell of alot to me. SomethingI have loved for 14 years is finally going to pass on. It to me almost is like a favorite cat or dog passing away; it is sad and I will miss it.
Some here have hadsome good times with their Neos whether playing alone or with friends that they will honestly say made their lives a little better even if just for a moment.
I am one of these people and in the "moment", I got caught up and acted under a lof of assumptions. I made some errors in HOW I did things. That is not to say that Shawn is immune from this. He too made some errors and between the two of us you get this mess.
WHAT I did I still feel good about. I figured we'd all come out on top and in life, ask yourself honestly, how often does that happen?
And when I get banned over that, I will be saddened to not be able to post here, but will be OK with what got me banned.
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rimm_rs said:
That's basically how I saw it from the get-go.
You did this as a service to your fellow AES gamers, as you did with MS5. Considering how well the MS5 bulk order went, why should anyone suspect anything less happening with SSVS?
I guess the majority here are reading too much into things. But that's just me.
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If anyone cares (and a few have already asked me anyway), I voted to drop the axe.
Forget the Neo Store and whatever happened between him and Shawn, past dials and fiascos.
The *SPAMMING* is enough for permanent deletion. Harvesting the email addresses of the site, and spamming the membership is ample reason to drop the axe.
Never 'shit' where you eat.
As far as his businees, I feel that doing the 'community' purchase again is outside the realms of what we should allow. No longer is he just another member here trying to help the community, he is a business. He builds 'good will' by doing this transaction, but builds 'bad will' for the Neo Store in the eyes of other retailers. He can rough it on his own, pre orders from his site.
Is it enough to delete him? I couldn't say, since my vote is tilted towards dumping him for the spamming.
And, no, I did not bother reading this whole thread, maybe 3 pages total......
Forget the Neo Store and whatever happened between him and Shawn, past dials and fiascos.
The *SPAMMING* is enough for permanent deletion. Harvesting the email addresses of the site, and spamming the membership is ample reason to drop the axe.
Never 'shit' where you eat.
As far as his businees, I feel that doing the 'community' purchase again is outside the realms of what we should allow. No longer is he just another member here trying to help the community, he is a business. He builds 'good will' by doing this transaction, but builds 'bad will' for the Neo Store in the eyes of other retailers. He can rough it on his own, pre orders from his site.
Is it enough to delete him? I couldn't say, since my vote is tilted towards dumping him for the spamming.
And, no, I did not bother reading this whole thread, maybe 3 pages total......
Okay, this thread has gone on long enough---I'm sure all of you feel the same way. rimm_rs has been forced to spend hours of his day or days defending himself. There is no need to get rude and mean.
The fact is that he could have, like other businesses do, preordered a set amount. Ex: Preorder 20 carts. Get the discount assigned. List them on his store for whatever price he wants to (profit or no profit). That is what every other business does. And he would still be the good guy. But you see, he would then have to take the risk of selling only 12 and having them left over. He should have just opened a preorder on his own site--not through neo-geo.com. I know many of you didn't know he was the owner of that site. But we did. And once you become a competitor, it kind of changes things. Not that it's makes for a good situation, but it can't be helped. I'm sure other business people could understand that.
I know it sounds silly, but it would have avoided this whole situation. From what I know, there is not another forum site that allows it's competitors on it. Not saying it shouldn't be done, but sounds reasonable from a business aspect.
Will he be allowed to do this again? No. And I know that it upsets those of you getting a better deal. The fact that he was trying to help others is nice. But most of you are not behind the scenes seeing what exactly has gone on from the beginning. If he has good intentions, that's GREAT. Next time he can just follow what every other business does. This is just a lesson learned.
Sorry to rimm_rs for having to waste so many hours replying to this silly thread.
The fact is that he could have, like other businesses do, preordered a set amount. Ex: Preorder 20 carts. Get the discount assigned. List them on his store for whatever price he wants to (profit or no profit). That is what every other business does. And he would still be the good guy. But you see, he would then have to take the risk of selling only 12 and having them left over. He should have just opened a preorder on his own site--not through neo-geo.com. I know many of you didn't know he was the owner of that site. But we did. And once you become a competitor, it kind of changes things. Not that it's makes for a good situation, but it can't be helped. I'm sure other business people could understand that.
I know it sounds silly, but it would have avoided this whole situation. From what I know, there is not another forum site that allows it's competitors on it. Not saying it shouldn't be done, but sounds reasonable from a business aspect.
Will he be allowed to do this again? No. And I know that it upsets those of you getting a better deal. The fact that he was trying to help others is nice. But most of you are not behind the scenes seeing what exactly has gone on from the beginning. If he has good intentions, that's GREAT. Next time he can just follow what every other business does. This is just a lesson learned.
Sorry to rimm_rs for having to waste so many hours replying to this silly thread.
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Cassie said:
Me thinks you smell a lot like rimm_rs...
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Can't this just be forgotten already, what happen beetwen shawn and ryan is nothing mayor don't make this worse. Damn not a big deal, no need of this. somehwre in hear I read somebody complaning about the "spam" e-mails thay recieve from ryan. (which i think is so fu**king annoying that people complain about this inmature thing) I also get the e-mails and i'm ok with it, in fact am glad ryan has me on his list so i can see whats new with his site. Damn can't beliove somepeople are complaining about this and is taking advantage of this toward him. You get alot os spam e-mails from other sites and you don't bich about it because your ass knows you can't do a damn thing about it. This can all be easily fix by removing yourself from recieveing e-mail from ryan. 
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This whole thread is just total BULL
The whole allure and the popularity of this site was built on it NOT being a place that was politically correct ,a place of TOLERANCE OR is it only okay when we hammer garbage like NGF?
Has it been proven that Ryan harvested the e-mails from this site?? Why is Ryan copying the layout of the Neo-Store such a big deal??
Ryan was allowed to do the pre-orders before and I believe he did'nt feel what he was doing was wrong with SSVS. The guy really catres about being banned so why would he blatantly disregard a request and why is he apologetic and spending many hours trying to defend his actions.
None of the stuff Ryan is being accused of is conclusive as far as I can see.
To ban him would be petty and rediculous.
All the money iin this niche community goes back to N-G.COM regardless of where anybody chooses to spend their money.
I feel this is definitely a matter of a more personal nature and this is a weak attempt at trying to satisfy a desire because I KNOW the hammer is usually dropped around here with important CONCLUSIVE findings....
not petty stuff such as this.
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The whole allure and the popularity of this site was built on it NOT being a place that was politically correct ,a place of TOLERANCE OR is it only okay when we hammer garbage like NGF?
Has it been proven that Ryan harvested the e-mails from this site?? Why is Ryan copying the layout of the Neo-Store such a big deal??
Ryan was allowed to do the pre-orders before and I believe he did'nt feel what he was doing was wrong with SSVS. The guy really catres about being banned so why would he blatantly disregard a request and why is he apologetic and spending many hours trying to defend his actions.
None of the stuff Ryan is being accused of is conclusive as far as I can see.
To ban him would be petty and rediculous.
All the money iin this niche community goes back to N-G.COM regardless of where anybody chooses to spend their money.
I feel this is definitely a matter of a more personal nature and this is a weak attempt at trying to satisfy a desire because I KNOW the hammer is usually dropped around here with important CONCLUSIVE findings....
not petty stuff such as this.
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It's much better to let ignorance shine through than to censor and silence, I always say (actually, that's the first time I've said that, the "I always say" just makes it look really cool).
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BIG BEAR said:
Yes, it has.
There are MANY people who have used email addresses here only, and got his spam, and complained. Besides that, I have a 'couple' extra accounts, which only have HIS emails in them, they have received no others, and those addresses are only here.
You do not just discover a random hotmail address and think it is for a Neo Geo fan, when the only place it appears on the whole Internet is Neo-Geo.Com.
Since I deal with spam daily, I know how it all goes down, and he did exactly that. How else did he get the addresses? Some could have come from DHP, granted, but MANY folks here are not on DHP, and that does not explain my 'backdoor' accounts getting spammed.
I should have just deleted him then......