Who else hates Strikers?

Batsu_Power

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Originally posted by traydaripper:
<STRONG>u deserve the beating u get. kof is not one one one its 3 on 3 and even in 98 there were strikers the were limited and onlt came out when u were being strangled or somthing like that. as i was sayin if u cantget around the striker. u deserve the ass whopin u get. and if u dont use them u r neglecting a part of the game. the are made to save ur ass and help u in a bad ass combo. so fo all u whiners SHUT UP and keep gettin ur butt kicked!</STRONG>

Actually.. this is not called 'gameplay'... but rather is called 'cheapness' (i.e the use of a striker to continuosly do 100% combos). Who the hell cares if we win or lose <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0"> ? I don't want a cheap option to ruin a good game series for me. I still say DOWN WITH THE STRIKERS <IMG SRC="smilies/glee.gif" border="0">. We should get back to the old KOF where there were no strikers.

BTW.. We can save our asses in battles in other ways than using strikers <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
 

Taiso

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Originally posted by traydaripper:

-kof is not one one one its 3 on 3 and even in 98 there were strikers the were limited and onlt came out when u were being strangled or somthing like that.-

I'm aware that it's a 3 on 3 tournament, tray. What *I* meant by the one on one comment is that you are not fighting two or three people at the same time. The fights themselves are one on one battles until one team's members are completely eliminated. KOF still adheres to the oldschool mentality of fighting games, even if the gameplay has been tweaked significantly over the years to make it more innovative and dynamic. KOF is not '3 on 3' fighting because you only fight one person at a time.

I hope that helps to clear my point up, even if it doesn't change your mind <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">.
 

VinylBoy

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Originally posted by traydaripper:
<STRONG>u deserve the beating u get. kof is not one one one its 3 on 3 and even in 98 there were strikers the were limited and onlt came out when u were being strangled or somthing like that. as i was sayin if u cantget around the striker. u deserve the ass whopin u get. and if u dont use them u r neglecting a part of the game. the are made to save ur ass and help u in a bad ass combo. so fo all u whiners SHUT UP and keep gettin ur butt kicked!</STRONG>

Trust me... most people have learned to adapt. I have been able to come up with some of the most craziest ideas and effective strats using some of the most oddest strikers... plus, I think my Blue Mary/Yashiro Striker or Athena/Chin/Kensou Striker combos would make any Lin or Joe/Seth Striker fanactic cringe. I've actually had someone call my Blue Mary/Yashiro corner SDM combo cheap by someone who tried to use Lin's glitch!! <IMG SRC="smilies/tickled.gif" border="0">

BTW, in KOF '98 they didn't use the Striker System... they used their original team assist system which was based on a character's mood, and whether or not a person from your team was in the background and could save you. This works out so much better than the striker system, for it keeps the focus on the one-on-one battle, even though it is primarily a three-on-three match.

Strikers or none, I know I can give any "infinite abuser" a tough time in KOF 2000. Their tactics are so predictable in this game, I could careless if they killed one of my characters using it. Once they've done it, they pretty much leave themselves open for beatings since they no longer have strikers, and they wouldn't dare try to taunt just to gain an extra Joe or Seth use. I agree... the whining about it won't make the gamego away, but its true that KOF 2000 would have been better without this Striker System.
 

KOFmaster

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I don't I don't
I love this system .
But I hate the way people using it <IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0">
 

Oro

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I do not like the active striker system because it encourages people to play in a detestable manner. I assume that's what KOFmaster is talking about. I am not for any system that encourages turtling, and mindless fireballing.

I do like the 99 striker system. The striker hit hardly set up for more than a DM. And some of the more complicated combos done off of the 99 strikers were very difficult. Anyways, I like 99, but I hate active strikers.

Boo!;p
 
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Cool_Hansome_Kid

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And Another Strikers.They ruin the game!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0">
 

NeoGML

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honestly people... there really is no such thing as cheap... seriously, if you can't defend against strikers, then find a way to. strikers don't have that much strength either, they do maybe 1/5 of someone's life bar after 3 uses. Why complain when you can be creating an unbeatable defense? strikers aren't that bad... really...

Personally, i don't care what they do with strikers. they can take them out or leave em in, because i never use them voluntarily. they usually get used up fast since i let them out by accident. i don't rely on them, for me there really isn't any reason to.

Oh well.
 

Oro

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Yeah, but getting jabbed then losing 80% because of a striker is not cheap, but it is cheezy.

Strikers by themselves are not cheap, but the striker combos are. There needs to be a limitation on damage or something. Still, strikers make crossovers, and many other advance tactics near useless. For those who are going to say they don't, I SAID NEAR useless.
 

Iie-Kyo

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Agreed. In the ASS (Active Striker System), missing a move should NOT reward you with the opportunity to do a DM. That's just not right.

However, using some of the other cooler (and less used) strikers to make insane looking combos that are extremely difficult to pull off simply rocks. It's great to pull'em off in competition... who says you can't do exhibition-style combos when you're competing? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Whoever said the stuff about SNK vs Capcom... well I personally dislike it also (I'm not much of an MvC2 competition fan). All they did was keep the SF Alpha-style fighting system and slap a few KoF characters and gameplay elements into it. The adding on was so half-arsed that thing doesn't feel like KoF. If SNK didn't back outta the development I'm sure things would have been significantly different.
 
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Originally posted by KOFmaster:
<STRONG>I don't I don't
I love this system .
But I hate the way people using it <IMG SRC="smilies/veryangry.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

look who`s talking ,
 

traydaripper

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look learn to defend or get beeten the system is there like it or not and people r going to use it like me. i can who ass with or with out it. and if u miss a move people will dm u even without a striker. like me. what i mean if u fuckup u pay. striker or no striker. and as for 98 when the jumped out the back ground to save u dont strikers do the same also. if ur good u wouldnt complain but embrace the system( adapt) thats what good players do.
 

VinylBoy

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Originally posted by traydaripper:
<STRONG>look learn to defend or get beeten the system is there like it or not and people r going to use it like me. i can who ass with or with out it. and if u miss a move people will dm u even without a striker. like me. what i mean if u fuckup u pay. striker or no striker. and as for 98 when the jumped out the back ground to save u dont strikers do the same also. if ur good u wouldnt complain but embrace the system( adapt) thats what good players do.</STRONG>

One thing about team assists in KOF 98... OK, well maybe a few.

1. The characters can only come out to help if you're trapped in your own corner and are grabbed.
2. They only break grabs. They cannot set you up for combos or DMs, nor can they hold/stun opponents, add/subtract to your super meter, etc...
3. Depending on your teammates and their mood, your assist may not happen EVEN if you can use one.

Team Assists in KOF '98 and Strikers in KOF 2000 are night and day. Strikers are far more gamebreaking than team assists. Conditions for regular team assists are much more stricter and tighter than the current Striker system, and you will never get killed by one either. That's probably the biggest difference between the two.

MAJOR differences between the KOF Team Assist and the ASS (Active Striker System). That name was kinda funny... <IMG SRC="smilies/tickled.gif" border="0">

[ May 16, 2001: Message edited by: VinylBoy ]
 

Iie-Kyo

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What? Nobody ever came up with an acronym for the ASS? <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> I figured it'd be a common joke around here. <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">
 

VinylBoy

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Originally posted by Iie-Kyo:
<STRONG>What? Nobody ever came up with an acronym for the ASS? <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> I figured it'd be a common joke around here. <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Hey... I liked it! Quite clever, if you ask me... <IMG SRC="smilies/glee.gif" border="0">

Although mixed messages can be conjured when one refers to something being ASS in a fighting game...
 

ioriyagami

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I hate the striker sytem of 2K,99 was tolerable.I never use strikers even when i'm losing...or do i?Hmmm...But anywy it's cheap and i don't use strikers.
 
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shut you fuckn mouth , just wait tell i see in kuwait.i gona kick your sorry ass.tell that try to play CVS .
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YeldellGW

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I never cared for this striker/assist crap; never will. At least SNK gives you the option of turning that crap off in the option screen. None of Capcom's vs even have such options as singles, turning off assist, etc.

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KOFmaster

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You are the most sorriest fu**in guy I ever met a7mido .
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Ali Jones

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I hate strikers like hell and when they fill the mistakes Argh <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0">
 
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SHIN-HIDOSHI

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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, DON'T GO AROUND HATING THE STRIKER SYSTEM. I WILL AGREE WITH THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK IT SUCKS, TO AN EXTENT WHERE PEOPLE ABUSE IT TO DO ENDLESS CHEATING COMBOS, BUT PLEASE DO NOT DISS THE ARTISTS WHO USE STRIKERS TO CAPITALIZE ON THE OPPORTUNITES THAT A CARELESS OPPONENT PROVIDES AN OPENING TO A CHALLENGER BY MAKING A MISTAKE. BY MAKING A MISTAKE, YOU DESERVE TO BE HIT WITH EVERYTHING THE OPPONENT HAS TO OFFER, TO THE EXTENT WHERE YOU ONLY REQUIRE THE SERVICES OF ONE STRIKER, NOT WITH COMBO-STRIKER-COMBO RUBBISH.
BUT SINCE I SELECT ALL RANDOM 100% OF THE TIME, UNLESS IF SOMEONE TELLS ME TO PLAY A TEAM, THEN I MUST BE QUITE LUCKY TO GET THOSE CHEATING STRIKERS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THOSE CHEATING PLAYERS RIGHT?
IF ANYONE IS SO GOOD, WHY DO THEY NEED TO PICK ANY TEAM AT ALL?IF YOU MASTER ONLY FOUR, OR EVEN 15 CHARACTERS. YOU CAN'T WIN WITH EVERYBODY, THEN YOU LIMIT YOURSELF TO A LEVEL WHERE YOU CANNOT TRULY UNDERSTAND HOW EACH CHARCTER IS SUPPOSED TO BE PLAYED.
ARTISTS, PLAY POETICALLY, ALL THE MOVES ARE SMOOTH INCLUDE THE USAGE OF COUNTER MODE WITH STRIKER COMBOS, AND MISTAKES ARE COVERED VERY QUICKLY NOT BY USING STRIKERS BUT BY BEING GOOD IN THE MIND.
I FOR ONE HAVE BEEN BLESSED, BECAUSE OPPONENTS ATTACK ME, USUALLY BECAUSE THEY ONE MISTAKE LIKE THROWING AN UNNECCESSARY PROJECTILE, OR LEAVING THEMSELVES OPEN. IF THE OPPONENT HAS A 30% LEAD ON ME, MAKES A MISTAKE, THEN I CAPITILZE WITH A 50% COMBO, OBVIOUSLY, I WLL NOT BE GREEDY AND SHOW OFF UNTIL HE MAKES ANOTHER MISTAKE WHILE TRYING TO BEAT ME. I HAVE NEVER BEATEN ANYONE IN KOF BEFORE, EVERYONE BEATS THEMSELVES, AS TIME WINDS DOWN PEOPLE GET DESPERATE, THEY MAKE MISTAKES, THAT'S WHEN YOU WIN.
SOMETIMES RIGGING MATCHES TO MAKE THEM NAILBITERS IS FUN, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE HOW PEOPLE HANDLE PRESSURE. THOSE WHO RUN OVER PEOPLE , USUALLY GET RUNNED OVER WHEN A BIGGER BETTER SHARK COMES TO TOWN. BECAUSE WHEN TWO EQUALS IN SKILL PLAY, AND ONE DOESN'T HAVE EXPERIENCE IN PLAYING DOWN TO THE WIRE MATCHES, HE ALMOST ALWAYS LOSES.
 
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