U.K. Bans Lolicon Art

Zero Satori

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I'm fuming right now about this, not because I'm particularly interested in the art-in-question itself but because of the precedent it sets, limiting the legality of self-expression in visual artists.

Fuck this shit.

Ian Dunt said:
The government just passed a law against drawings. Very particular drawings, but drawings nonetheless.

Smuggled away in the recent coroners and justice bill was a clause outlawing the possession of non-photographic images of children. Child protection agencies are ecstatic. Comic artists and libertarians are concerned. But what's at stake, and is this as insane as it sounds?

Is it moral to pass a law against something with no actual victim? After all, we ban photographs of child abuse because a child actually has to be abused for it to exist. Libertarians will tell you that the law is unacceptable on this basis alone. But it's a little more complex than that.

[...]Children's rights groups claim the presence of these photographs acts to help child abusers rationalise their actions – contributing to a common sentiment in abusers that what they are doing is somehow OK. [...]Aside from the moral argument about freedom of choice, many artists are especially concerned that they could become criminalised by the law. Similarly, many comic fans could become criminalised too. Many adult comics – some erotica, some just with adult themes - could be found guilty if the law is followed to the letter.

Edit: Here's a preliminary article, again from politics.co.uk.
 
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A guy in Japan was beaten to death for leaving a martial arts team and you pardoned it because of the culture.

Why do you feel entitled to judge British law?
 

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A guy in Japan was beaten to death for leaving a martial arts team and you pardoned it because of the culture.

Why do you feel entitled to judge British law?

lol otaku

That law is fucking retarded though.
 

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Zero Satori

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I stand-by this sentiment. Unfortunately, the parliament's decision on this matter points to a greater, growing opinion in society which supports the censorship of media (legal or de facto) on the bases of a core of ethics to which not all people may subscribe. Were the law passed in, say, Zimbabwe, I could fucking care less because I could retain faith that some asshole politician or political group in the U.S.A. would not use it to their advantage in arguing the same points. However, the similar social standards of the U.K. and the United States makes it so that isolationism is not possible. I'm alarmed because people DON'T agree with the statement you quoted, not the other way around...fucker.
 

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Everyone knows I'm The Horniest Man on Earth, but even I'm repulsed by Lolicon, I think it's awesome they banned that shit. It's not art it's sick. I see no value in it as a medium of artistic merit as it proliferates the exploitation of children. You have no idea how pissed I was the first time I clicked on a link that said: lolicon and had zero idea what it was. Yeah, I might personally want to look at beautiful women taking a crap on each other, maybe even alternate passions, but that particular genre of illustrations (I won't call it art) is some fucked up repugnant shit. With anything there has to be a limit. I'd personally like to set fire to those who proliferate that crap. I'm usually not for CENSORSHIP of any kind, but seriously, there is no merit for that shit.
:oh_no:
 

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The English are like sad clowns. They wear their clown costumes well.

too well.
 

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I can just imagine the bricks HentaiSama must be shitting right now. :lolz:

While I agree that lolicon is disgusting, this law is a VERY slippery slope. Like it or not, pedophilia exists in the world and can be used in artistic expression. This is the same rationalization that lawmakers use to pass legislation against violent media; I guess since children (real or not) are involved it gives people an automatic moral highground.
 

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This is the same rationalization that lawmakers use to pass legislation against violent media; I guess since children (real or not) are involved it gives people an automatic moral highground.
I agree with what you're saying, but most of the opposition to this new law is based around the idea that, for who-knows-how-long, supporters of anti-child-pornography laws have used the argument that it is wrong because it involves the harming of a child. On this, I totally concur, and that's where the line of "right to expression" (of photographers, usually) needs to yield to human rights. But with drawings, that argument no longer has meaning and the only relevance is "well, somebody could take it the wrong way" and again, the same thing could go for any form of art--violent, political, religious, etc. It's just a step in the wrong direction, I feel, because it effectively restricts people from doing safe things based on the premise that, were it reality (and it's not), it wouldn't be safe.
 

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Everyone knows I'm The Horniest Man on Earth, but even I'm repulsed by Lolicon, I think it's awesome they banned that shit. It's not art it's sick. I see no value in it as a medium of artistic merit as it proliferates the exploitation of children. You have no idea how pissed I was the first time I clicked on a link that said: lolicon and had zero idea what it was. Yeah, I might personally want to look at beautiful women taking a crap on each other, maybe even alternate passions, but that particular genre of illustrations (I won't call it art) is some fucked up repugnant shit. With anything there has to be a limit. I'd personally like to set fire to those who proliferate that crap. I'm usually not for CENSORSHIP of any kind, but seriously, there is no merit for that shit.
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Agreed.
 

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I object to censorship in any way, shape or form. I have a brain to think and my own moral standards, don't need a kindergarten mommy to tell me what's good and what's not.

And... how the hell do they want to ban "lolicon" anyway? Sounds impossible to me given the omnipresence of that stuff on the 'net.
 

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Sorry kernow.

I object to censorship in any way, shape or form. I have a brain to think and my own moral standards, don't need a kindergarten mommy to tell me what's good and what's not.

And... how the hell do they want to ban "lolicon" anyway? Sounds impossible to me given the omnipresence of that stuff on the 'net.

They also banned the internet.
 

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I'm not too keen on this, but I do not see any good in people drawing children in acts they shoudln't be involved with so I'm in for drawing whatever teh fuck I want, but I'm not in for pedophile wannabes.
 

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I'm with Tak on this one. As fucked up as this "art" may be, it should NOT be the government's job to censor it. Drawings are just that: Drawings. They don't hurt anyone. If you don't like certain drawings, don't look at them! Pisses me off that people actually back the government in situations like this. Seems like people just mindlessly throw their rights away on a daily basis.

"Oh YES SIR! Tell me what I can, or can't draw / view / think." Give me a fucking break. We're so beyond Orwell's 1984 vision, it's not even funny. Pathetic.

Remember, it's not about the *content* of what's being banned (I certainly don't agree with the content), it's about censoring one's freedom of expression.
 

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A guy in Japan was beaten to death for leaving a martial arts team and you pardoned it because of the culture.

Why do you feel entitled to judge British law?

Because it sucks....

then again it's also the reason the US exists.....

Because British law sucks
 

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I oppose censorship as well, even if I find the subject matter repugnant (as is the case here, natch), but this raises another issue if you ask me: as gross as this stuff is, theoretically, perverts could jerk off to it instead of actual kiddie porn, could they not? So, isn't it possible that this ban could result in more 'real' kiddie porn being made? I hope not.

And besides, like someone else said, this stuff'll still be readily available on the 'net. So all they're doing is further fetishizing it for the freaks that get off on it.

Bad move, methinks.
 

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Another stupid law from those fucking Labour cunts.:blow_top:

They have also outlawed 'extreme pornography' - i.e. S&M type stuff. Not that I get off on that sort of thing (it's a bit scary), but it means that even something mild can be considered under it. Furthermore it also means that filmakers run the risk of breaking the law regarding violence because it also incorporates 'simulated violence / gore'.

Just don't get me started over that monkey Gordon Brown, slagging of Bankers the other day for example, despite the fact that he has terriby mismanaged the economy, sold our gold reserves and wasted a load of money on stupid tax cuts.






With all that said, don't get me wrong but doesn't the US have some similar law too? I think I read something about some guy getting jailed for hentai - although I might be thinking of Canada?

We may not be very vocal about opposing stupid laws here, but don't kid yourselves that you don't have your own fair share of draconian laws yourself.
 
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