Open offer to all owners of Aero Fighters 3 and Power Spikes II

[dragonpt]

The lady supervisor is Heh-Kyu Lee...

I need that Art of Fighting 2 poster

More posters....

I had no idea SNK's building was such a dump.

I'd be fired at work if I let my work station get that messy.

And gets worse....

 

[Tyranix95]

People spent $30k on a fucking region/label variation. Never doubt anything being possible on this site.

EVER.

People spent $30k on a bootleg.

Man, this site is HOT today.

And, just when i thougth things were slowing down: The plot thickens.

 

[SonGohan]

Man, I fucking love SNK

 

[Comrade Porn King Mikhail]

I am freaking loving the huge lot of Big Red cabs, and the back room with all three cab shapes including the mini red.

It's too bad that when the company was bought out all the cool things were snapped up by a douche.

 

[Yodd]

Almost every good, working "tech" or "engineer" I know has a desk that looks like that.

It just comes with the territory.

That's pretty much what my desk look like right now. Cluster fuck of a mess with tools, wires, parts, clamshelled MVS board, multimeter, soldering iron and misc other stuff. The misses loves it.

 

[werejag]

someone got better pics of the tshirt the tech is wearing?

 

[evil wasabi]

The lady supervisor is Heh-Kyu Lee...







More posters....





And gets worse....

Woo... De onde você tirou as fotos boas?

 

[dragonpt]

I am freaking loving the huge lot of Big Red cabs, and the back room with all three cab shapes including the mini red.

It's too bad that when the company was bought out all the cool things were snapped up by a douche.

ok just for you, another mini red picture :P

Woo... De onde você tirou as fotos boas?

Foi um amigo que mas enviou por email

 

[chamane]

I have made many mistakes since coming back to the community and I’ve apologized for the mistakes I’ve made. I’ll admit that I haven’t made the best use of my time and didn’t diligently collect all the information, needed to show everyone, beforehand. I am not perfect... nobody is. But this does not make me a liar or cheat

Once again, every buyer was made aware of the risk beforehand. They knew what they were getting into and took the responsibility when they made the payment. Everyone knew there were no refunds and to err on the side of caution, I did do my due diligence and held unto the funds sent for a 90 day period (just in case a buyer wanted to return their game right away). A lot of time passed by and everyone reported that they were satisfied with their purchase. TonK/Mike was acting in the best interest of both parties (Me and the Buyers). He clearly provided all of the necessary information and the buyers still proceeded with their purchase. TonK is not responsible for any of this debacle.

Anyway, after the 90 day period elapsed, I moved the funds towards acquiring a large amount of SNK snaplock stock. These were meant to go towards the community and to supply new games from NG Dev and homebrew titles.

I know Aero Fighters 3 does have its issues when compared to games of the same era. No matter what you feel about the game.... it is real and it did come from SNK. The same goes for Power Spikes II, it came straight from SNK. Right or wrong I have no say or control over the quality of pre-release titles.

As of right now, one buyer has made a post saying he is unhappy with his purchase. He feels that he will never see one cent of his money. He knew what he was buying and he did take a very long time to come out, swinging, the way he did. I understand his concern... do I agree with the way things were handled? No. But I will say that I respect his decision.

I will openly state, right now, that any of the owners of Aero Fighters 3 or Power Spikes II will be given a complete refund if they request so on two conditions. Firstly, the game must be in the condition it was sold to you in (being the highest collectors in the world, condition shouldn’t be an issue). Secondly, each buyer must understand that their investment was moved and when those cases arrive I will recoup all of your money and return it to you in full. As of right now that one unsatisfied and very vocal buyer feels he will never see his money again. Well, that is wrong. I am extending this offer to all person(s) involved. Chamane... you only need to give me the time to get the stock and recoup your funds in full. You have nothing to lose. Lastly each of the buyers can get in contact with me and I will make an arrangement. My name and reputation are more valuable than any amount of money because, when it’s all said and done... that is all a man has.

Once the titles have been returned we’re back to square one. Everyone will have been refunded and no one would have been allegedly “scammed “or “cheated”. I will then proceed to prove myself to everyone in the community with complete and proper information. Once I have backed up everything I have said, anyone wanting to buy these titles can proceed to do so. Each sale will also be done by me directly and will be done only in person.

Let me finish off by saying that: I stand 100% behind these games and everything I have said. I stand behind my work and all the projects I have done. Lastly, I stand behind my character. I will take every recourse to prove myself and also prove these games to be real. Regardless of how the reveal was perceived... at the end of the day it’s all perception and perception does not equate reality. I will continue to do new and exciting projects for the community. I will leave it at that as I refuse to let myself get drawn to the drama.

OUAIS ! ON VA FAIRE CA JE SUIS D ACCORD AVEC TOI DAVID. JE VAIS T ENVOYER LE JEU ET TU VAS M ENCULER UNE SECONDE FOIS.

 

[chamane]

DAVID TRIES TO STAY A LITTLE BIT SAFE TO SELL ALL HIS DAEDALUS AND SO ON. I SUGGEST TO ANYONE, NOT TO SPEND ANY PENNY .

 

[Dr Shroom]

 

[Shito]

For god sake, for god sake:

those games never had a chance to be real.

Never ever.

Anyone, and again I emphasize the word 'anyone', who has some knowledge in NeoGeo and SNK should just know that and laugh at the idea of those game being real.

Because that's is *reality* and *history*, the ultimate evidence.

Now, while I was *amazed* to see such a mass delusional self-deception from some ppl blindfolded by their egos to own a oh-my-god super rare and exclusive gem, it was *even more astonishing* to see how their took totally unmeaningful words from self-described experts for proof of an authenticity that could SIMPLY NOT BE to begin with! And yet again, they entered a super-shady deal, one that even a 6yo could smell, full of shit and drama and shit, again driven by their elitist-wannabe ego. Woah. This is incredible. It really is.

I'm not happy they got burned. I'm not laughing at them. But get real, seriously real.

SNK and NeoGeo are (were) a Japanese company and a Japanese product. That had some US distributors in times. It's just *impossible* a home release being pushed by a local distributor when the product does not even exist in its motherland. It's an impossible scenario. Those two Power Spikes II US inserts are just impossible to be taken seriously. Just as a 'tentative local release' getting a pro-printed insert. You don't do that kind of stuff for some test copies. You do not. That's reality, again. Please, just stick with reality, not with drama.

I do not believe TonK has been honest here. Even if he was THAT dense to believe the unbelievable, again just for the sake of an inflated ego of being the one in the know, even if he seriously trusted the games as real, the whole business has been THAT shady that everyone could smell the scam just in the behaviour of "the source". Thus, I can't give TonK even the benefit of the doubt. He's a scammer in my book now. It's sad, he used to be a cool guy. He derailed with the big pinball game drama fiasco. Get real guys, that was too much already. He was totally absorbed in lies and drama for the sake of his dramatic egotic persona. Face it. His role in this whole very sad fraud it's just the same, and worse.

 

[Renmauzo]

I am freaking loving the huge lot of Big Red cabs, and the back room with all three cab shapes including the mini red.

It's too bad that when the company was bought out all the cool things were snapped up by a douche.

I was thinking the same thing...that warehouse full of cabs looks GLORIOUS!

 

[Spike Spiegel]

For god sake, for god sake:

those games never had a chance to be real.

Never ever.

Anyone, and again I emphasize the word 'anyone', who have some knowledge in NeoGeo and SNK should just know that and laugh at the idea of those game being real.

Yes.

 

[Renmauzo]

Like I said before, feels like he got an interest free loan.

David G Savings and Loan "your money's in Bill's house, and Fred's house..." He should be taking a loan out himself to pay dissatisfied buyers back immediately, especially if he's going to recoup his costs anyway, right? The sentiment seems like a nice gesture at face value, but it's actually insulting to the buyers if you look at it for what it is: he could borrow money to resolve this here and now, but instead uses a stall tactic that gives himself as much time as he wants. What if the stuff doesn't sell David, and you can't get all the money back, what then?

 

[Yoshi]

People spent $10k+ on a USED CARPET

Does it at least match the drapes?

 

[PESTILENT]

For god sake, for god sake:

those games never had a chance to be real.

Never ever.

Anyone, and again I emphasize the word 'anyone', who have some knowledge in NeoGeo and SNK should just know that and laugh at the idea of those game being real.

Because that's is *reality* and *history*, the ultimate evidence.

Now, while I was *amazed* to see such a mass delusional self-deception from some ppl blindfolded by their egos to own a oh-my-god super rare and exclusive gem, it was *even more astonishing* to see how their took totally unmeaningful words from self-described experts for proof of an authenticity that could SIMPLY NOT BE to begin with! And yet again, they entered a super-shady deal, one that even a 6yo could smell, full of shit and drama and shit, again driven by their elitist-wannabe ego. Woah. This is incredible. It really is.

I'm not happy they got burned. I'm not laughing at them. But get real, seriously real.

SNK and NeoGeo are (were) a Japanese company and a Japanese product. That had some US distributors in times. It's just *impossible* a home released being pushed by a local distributor when the product does not even exist in its motherland. It's an impossible scenario. Those two Power Spikes II US inserts are just impossible to be taken seriously. Just as a 'tentative local release' getting a pro-printed insert. You don't do that kind of stuff for some test copies. You do not. That's reality, again. Please, just stick with reality, not with drama.

I do not believe TonK has been honest here. Even if he was THAT dense to believe the unbelievable, again just for the sake of an inflated ego of being the one in the know, even if he seriously trusted the games as real, the whole business has been THAT shady that everyone could smell the scam just in the behaviour of "the source". Thus, I can't give TonK even the benefit of the doubt. He's a scammer in my book now. It's sad, he used to be a cool guy. He derailed with the big pinball game drama fiasco. Get real guys, that was too much already. He was totally absorbed in lies and drama for the sake of his dramatic egotic persona. Face it. His role in this whole very sad fraud it's just the same, and worse.

Well said Shito!
This is exactly what I've been thinking from the start, but never bothered to post it because I really never cared enough. I wasn't in any way going to be a buyer, even if I had thought they were real.
I do feel for the buyers, but really how could they not see the gaping holes in the stories the community was being told. The whole secrecy thing should have been enough of a red flag. When selling a collectible, or anything for that matter, that costs that much, transparency in the deal is a must. Not this cloak and dagger bullshit secret source stuff.

 

[SuperGun]

Stay Focused / Let's Keep Things Civilized

someone got better pics of the tshirt the tech is wearing?

I own one of those shirts. Also have the same one in white. I got both of them from Chad at the AMOA shows back in the early 1990's. I can take pictures and post them up later when I get home if you like. The shirts also have a small NEOGEO logo on the front.

I just chimed in here because I wanted to let everyone here know that yesterday these forums were a bloodbath. With the mob mentality that everyone had, it created an environment that nobody would want to enter into. So if we could please keep things civilized today, and allow for BOTH sides to discuss & debate this as well as stay on topic, then the community will benefit much more from it.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And that is fine. But let it be known that neither side should be stating anything as "fact" because nobody here can prove they are fake, and nobody can prove they are real. (at least not at this time given the hostile environment and the spreading of misinformation.

Only 6 people have these games. And only one of those six is complaining. An entire legion of members has made a decision that the games must be faked because one of the owners says so. But again, not everybody knows the real story. It becomes impossible to tell it in this battlefield. That buyer is NOT unhappy because the game is fake. Rather the buyer is unhappy because he feels he paid too much. That is the actual sad truth. He has buyers remorse because of how much he paid, not because the game is fake, and he is using the fake claim as an excuse to get his money back.

The game is not fake and he knows it. The comparisons to arcades conversions & the 161 in 1 home cart is a joke. They are not even close. We are preparing our own report where we will show the pictures, the evidence, and allow the people to decide based on this information and not the rumors and hearsay and bullshit lies.

As I said before, when all the dust settles, just remember who was on what side before, during, and after the reveal. No back peddling allowed. Everyone can change what their opinion IS, but not what their opinion WAS. Lock this into the record. Mark my words. Because it is then that the community as a whole will see the bigger picture and realize that things went down a certain way by design. Not our design mind you, but by Shawn's design.

(as an example, if I had told you just 2 weeks ago that NGF would be welcomed back with open arms and posting here with Shawn's blessing about upcoming NGF products in the neostore, you would have called me insane. Yet that is what has happened here. The blanket is being pulled over everyone's eyes. So I say again, THINK FOR YOURSELF. Do not allow other members or groups of members to tell you what to think.

 

[Tarma]

I own one of those shirts. Also have the same one in white. I got both of them from Chad at the AMOA shows back in the early 1990's. I can take pictures and post them up later when I get home if you like. The shirts also have a small NEOGEO logo on the front.

I just chimed in here because I wanted to let everyone here know that yesterday these forums were a bloodbath. With the mob mentality that everyone had, it created an environment that nobody would want to enter into. So if we could please keep things civilized today, and allow for BOTH sides to discuss & debate this as well as stay on topic, then the community will benefit much more from it.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And that is fine. But let it be known that neither side should be stating anything as "fact" because nobody here can prove they are fake, and nobody can prove they are real. (at least not at this time given the hostile environment and the spreading of misinformation.

Only 6 people have these games. And only one of those six is complaining. An entire legion of members has made a decision that the games must be faked because one of the owners says so. But again, not everybody knows the real story. It becomes impossible to tell it in this battlefield. That buyer is NOT unhappy because the game is fake. Rather the buyer is unhappy because he feels he paid too much. That is the actual sad truth. He has buyers remorse because of how much he paid, not because the game is fake, and he is using the fake claim as an excuse to get his money back.

The game is not fake and he knows it. The comparisons to arcades conversions & the 161 in 1 home cart is a joke. They are not even close. We are preparing our own report where we will show the pictures, the evidence, and allow the people to decide based on this information and not the rumors and hearsay and bullshit lies.

As I said before, when all the dust settles, just remember who was on what side before, during, and after the reveal. No back peddling allowed. Everyone can change what their opinion IS, but not what their opinion WAS. Lock this into the record. Mark my words. Because it is then that the community as a whole will see the bigger picture and realize that things went down a certain way by design. Not our design mind you, but by Shawn's design.

(as an example, if I had told you just 2 weeks ago that NGF would be welcomed back with open arms and posting here with Shawn's blessing about upcoming NGF products in the neostore, you would have called me insane. Yet that is what has happened here. The blanket is being pulled over everyone's eyes. So I say again, THINK FOR YOURSELF. Do not allow other members or groups of members to tell you what to think.

So, answer me this, if these games are as real as you claim they are, then why is your guy making up his employment history?

I've been on the fence the whole time, and from what I know already, and what has been posted here, there is no way your guy did what he claimed at SNK USA. Period.

 

[Tinieblas]

@Supergun, man didn't you read Nightmare tony's post yesterday?

 

[SuperGun]

More Information

Here are the t-shirts.
The last Taito one was the prize Taito mailed you if you finished the Bust A Move game and mailed them the code for the free tshirt. (Set your console to MVS mode with a DEBUG or UNI bios and/or play the mvs version to see the t-shirt offer appear)



As for David's employment:
Yes, I did read Nightmare Tony's post. Tony and I go way back. We are on excellent terms. And he is entitled to his opinion, same as anyone else. But again, YES, let em repeat myself, YES, David did work for SNK and he can & will present proof to that effect soon. The public perception is so far out of touch that it is hard to handle everything going on right now.

EDIT: As a sidenote, don't give me hell for the shirts not being in "collectors mint condition". I don't keep things like that. "sealed" or "unused" things are STUPID to me. I have never been that kind of collector. Those shirts are like that because I wore the HELL out of those shirts. I wore them with pride because of how much I loved the arcade industry (and specifically the neogeo). To this very day, I STILL wear the shirts. They have been well used.

 

[Tinieblas]

its not about opinion but facts, so you're saying he is laying, yes or no no need for a long post

 

[DavidG]

We just have to deal with this one step at a time. I requested a history report from the goverment that will list every employer I have ever had. SNK will be on that list and I will post it when I get it. Maybe I was the janitor, security guard, delevery boy or even the quiet sales guy in the back corner. That is not the largest concern right now. The games are real and I will prove it asap.

Games were sold, buyers are not happy and want a refund. I am offering a refund in full and I will even pay the shipping in the end to get the game back.

THIS GUY CAN'T PROVIDE A REAL ID

I have real ID - but you want me to scan and send it to you which I simply will not do, sorry.

THIS GUY CAN'T PROVIDE A PICTURE OF HIS STOCK

I never gave anyone a full list of my stock. What I have said, such as large boxes of games like Sam2's, I have shown. The response? "What does it prove showing the cheapest home carts on the market....." I never said I had 100 Metal Slug 1's.

THIS GUY TALKS LIKE RAY YOUNG

We have never spoken and those who have spoken with me say I don't sound like Ray Young. The only thing in commn as Shawn pointed out, I sound Canadian which is correct since I was born in and current live in Canada. What's that aboot, eh?

THIS GUY WA AWARE OF THE SCENE

I can read.

THIS GUY TOOK HIS FIRST MONTHS AFTER REGISTRATION TO SELL !ARCADE! STUFF

I bought from !Arcade! like many others here. If everyone who bought from !Arcade! is Ray Young we're in a lot of trouble. I needed funds to work on a fix which I gave to the community for free. I could sell NAM's, Blues Journey, Ninja Combat, SS2 at $20 in volume and hope I hit my mark or I can sell a Strikers 1945 for $550. Which btw sold within 10 mins. PI2 sold for $900US but I shouldn't sell it because I'm in Canada...

THIS GUY LIED TO US WITH STICKER ON THE 161-in-1

I have had many games sent in for repair or trade for a converter or work done. Some I can fix, some I simply couldn't. I had a SDB conversion which I couldn't fix, it had new parts, I used those parts. I didn't know !Arcade!'s gold warning sticker was different than SNK's at the time. A sticker is a sticker. The last several 161's to ship were made from a bunch of loose KOF97 US carts I had. They use SNK gold stickers, so am I now SNK because I used SNK parts?

THE GUY LIED TO US REGARDING HIS KNOWLEDGE OF THE !PHANTOM !

Lied? I spent 8 months on that converter to learn what I do today. I wrote people on the software end of the neo asking questions about error codes because I couldn't figure it out. In the end I did fix it and the post are on the forums to prove all of it.

It's clear Waku you will do whatever you want to do regardless of what I say. You're getting your refund as soon as possible. The harder you make that the longer it is going to take. You don't seem like someone who wants a refund, it looks more like you're more interested in the drama.

Send me an email and we will work this out.

 

[Tarma]

As for David's employment:
Yes, I did read Nightmare Tony's post. Tony and I go way back. We are on excellent terms. And he is entitled to his opinion, same as anyone else. But again, YES, let em repeat myself, YES, David did work for SNK and he can & will present proof to that effect soon. The public perception is so far out of touch that it is hard to handle everything going on right now.

I didn't say he didn't work at SNK. I said I do not believe what he says about what he did, and the facts, and history, contradict what he claimed to do at SNK USA.

Your biggest problem Billy is you're never wrong. In the ten years I've been here and read your posts (many of which have been the most contrite and rabid drivel I've ever offended my eyes with), when someone tries to challenge (even constructively) what you're saying (or in most cases stating), you go off on one.

You've backed the wrong horse pal, happens to the best of us sometimes.

 

[aria]