NGF admits to DESTROYING Official SNK Inserts!!!

[Metal Slug]

Jesus! What is wrong with me!
I've got this all wrong!
I must just be stupid or something!
I've been under the impression that all the hundreds of retro games in my collection are good because they are original? <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">
I guess I got it all wrong. I really thought that with all the damaged and incomplete VG's from the old retro systems that I see everywhere, that mine were special because they are all complete and perfect?
What a twat! I guess I should just say fuck it! I'll throw all the packaging away and replace it with cheap amateurish homemade shit!
Thats what future generations will want!
And they'll pay more for it!
....
Wont they? <IMG SRC="smilies/spock.gif" border="0">

[ September 07, 2001: Message edited by: Metal Slug ]

 

[Lord Illicious]

NGF are not only destorying Carts but are also rippin unsuspecting assholes wide open and they dont even wipe or apply a bandage man.

 

[baller99]

ahh, months ago when i was complaining about a guy having destroyed 80 US ss4s no one cared..why do you guys care now?
he even sent a picture.In fact you guys ridiculed me for not letting the guy do whatever he wanted.

Peter

 

[Eric]

Originally posted by Lord Wolfgang Krauser:
<STRONG>I got a criple in my index finger!!!!!
Grounds keeper willy is the shit.</STRONG>

From Space Invaders right?
Yea, that was a pretty addictive video game.
"Video game?" <IMG SRC="smilies/tickled.gif" border="0">

 

[Metal Slug]

Originally posted by baller99:
<STRONG>ahh, months ago when i was complaining about a guy having destroyed 80 US ss4s no one cared..why do you guys care now?
he even sent a picture.In fact you guys ridiculed me for not letting the guy do whatever he wanted.

Peter</STRONG>

I dont like people destroying carts!
But I dont recollect your earlier thread?
But I can see the double standard!
Conversions using sac carts are OK (not in my opinion!) But destroying inserts isn't!

I say leave it all the way it was fucking made!

<IMG SRC="smilies/shame.gif" border="0">

 

[Lampjack]

With me being a new fan on the Neo scene, it truly saddens me to find that there are idiots like that.

What's even worse is that these assholes try to make people believe that what they're doing is in the interest of good.

To all you guys destroying new Neo games, fuck you and stay the fuck away from what I love to do.

Sadly, there is a spot of bad in every good.

Kevin White
lampjack@thedfwscene.com

 

[Jon]

Ok, I read this forum. Sounds like one person pointing out something that they think NGF is doing and everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon. That is all this is and nothing more.

Secondly, I just got my two games I ordered from Dion. GUESS WHAT?! Mint condition. There was one NGF label on the instruction manual...however, contrary to what Shawn says, it was NOT randomly inserted! It was on the back page of the manual not obscuring any text or pictures of any kind. After dealing with many places that use void labels, Dion (in my opinion) did a very good job. Shipping took only 2 days and he DID USE delivery confirmation! Those, my friends are all facts.

Lastly, I'd recommend NGF to anyone looking for AES carts. Why? Well, for one, they actually RESPOND to emails unlike Shawn McClesky who has yet to reply to ANY of mine!! They are friendly and have answered every question I've asked them. And, unlike Shawn, they are upfront and tell you details so you can get the best deal. BTW, why hasn't Shawn said anything about this? I keep ripping him and I hear nothing. Stop using one of your multiple accounts here and respond, dammit!

That is my personal opinion of NGF. I don't care what ANY of you think about it, nor do I think I should be flamed over it. All I know is, this site works like this: one of the moderators puts up an anti-NGF post and all of you "kids" respond by jumping on the bandwagon! Why don't you deal with Dion and see just how wrong they are?!! One last thing: if you REALLY HATE Dion as much as you say you do....STOP MAKING NGF POSTS!!! You are giving Dion exactly what he wants. He does read these forums from time to time...and anyone talking about NGF is basically making an advertisment. That's all...I don't care what you think..Leave me alone.

Jon Maxwell

 

[Big Bruno]

Jon,

The destruction of Inserts was Addressed and quoted from Chris Ray here
http://lists.dhp.com/neogeo/2001/Sep/0096.html

And by purchasing those carts you just supported this pratice. Food for thought.

I agree there are a lot of people that "Jump on the band wagon" not knowing the facts. More so for NGF supports though.

 

[nick_th_fury]

In fact you guys ridiculed me for not letting the guy do whatever he wanted.

That would be Bullshit as the say.
He didnt destroy anything. He kept them all,
& sold the carts back in the day.
You acted like he destroyed them, not true.

When he found out fans wanted them, he sold off boxes, manuals, & inserts for extremly cheap. He coulda hiked up a huge price, or even tossed em.
he did neither, & he did his best to benefit the fans.

Sounds like one person pointing out something that they think NGF is doing

WTF? It's NGF's Chris Ray that states that.
So how exactly is there any opening for interpertation?
Its pretty cut & dry.

contrary to what Shawn says, it was NOT randomly inserted!

So what? You didnt get stuck with that huge batch that did have them.

It's well known, that NGF changed their way of doing that, after fans bitched.

Lastly, I'd recommend NGF to anyone looking for AES carts. Why? Well, for one, they actually RESPOND to emails unlike Shawn McClesky

Ok, so what the fuck?

Who gives a shit if Shawn answers emails or not?

WTF does that have to do with NGF destroying SNK products?

You seem to be under the delusion that Shawn & NGF are the scene.
That they anything they say or do, gives either the right to decide to destroy large amounts of SNK memorabilia.

Fans & collectors both have a responsibilty.
To take care of the snk products in their posession. Regardless of what Shawn or NGF do.

SNK items were here before both parties, & if not destroyed, will be here long after both are gone.

if you REALLY HATE Dion as

Now your listening to their hype.
No one hates him, or at least i dont.
You have too care about someone, before you can hate them.

You seem to mistake, extreme disagreement, for personal.

I disagree 100% with the destruction of SNK products.
I disagree 100% with anyone that supports it.
Chris Ray feels its a-ok. Thats its good for everyone.

 

[RiotoftheBlood]

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>Ok, I read this forum. Sounds like one person pointing out something that they think NGF is doing and everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon. That is all this is and nothing more.

Jon Maxwell</STRONG>

Sadly, the ass-kissing continues...

 

[Lawrence Blood]

This is why the "Neo-Scene" is going straight down the flusher...

 

[Lou Gojira]

It was on the back page of the manual not obscuring any text or pictures of any kind.

How would you know what was obscured and what wasn't if the sticker was there?

Lastly, I'd recommend NGF to anyone looking for AES carts. Why? Well, for one, they actually RESPOND to emails unlike Shawn McClesky who has yet to reply to ANY of mine!!

News flash egghead! I've been into the Neo Geo since '90 and I haven't bought a single game from either Shawn or NGF! Whoa, what a concept, there are actually other ways of obtaining Neo Geo carts other than buying from Shawn or NGF... <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

All I know is, this site works like this: one of the moderators puts up an anti-NGF post and all of you "kids" respond by jumping on the bandwagon!

Who are you calling a "kid"? Aren't you the same guy who was pissing and moaning about his job at a grocery store? And how much money oil changes were setting him back? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. But then, "kid" doesn't fit you, I was thinking more like "wuss", and after this latest post, maybe "suck-up" would be more appropriate.

Why don't you deal with Dion and see just how wrong they are?!!

Why don't you just stick a fork into a plugged in toaster to find out whether or not it's really true that you'll get shocked to death? No, thank you. If I felt like gambling, I'd buy a lottery ticket. If I want games, I'll go somewhere besides NGF.

I don't care what you think..Leave me alone.

Translation: "Let me make an ass out of myself and play devil's advocate for all to see, but you better not ridicule me!" Gee Jon, while you're at it, why don't you swing over to a Black Panther forum and start telling racial jokes. Understand the comparison? Goofy-ass...

Oh, and by the way, if anybody's wondering why I'm addressing Jon like this, it's in light of what has been revealed. If anybody condones anything NGF does from here on, well, they should get what's coming to them. I've always thought Dion and Chris were hung-up on big dick games in all this "comparing collections" bullshit, but now I got a pretty good idea that these guys are in need of some professional psychological help. Them saying "We're correcting inserts!" and beleiving it themselves is like hearing some guy saying "I'm a fire engine!" and believing it himself. Sad, pitiful, and disturbing all at the same time...

 

[Metal Slug]

Guys, don't let this "kiddy" wind you up!
It's more than likley just a NGF plant anyway.

 

[Viewpoint]

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>Ok, I read this forum. Sounds like one person pointing out something that they think NGF is doing and everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon. That is all this is and nothing more.</STRONG>

Hey Jon,
I'm glad you took the time to respond to this post which means I'll honor your response with one of my own.

As far as people jumping on the Bandwagon, yes I agree it's true becuase a LOT of these people who say they hate NGF have honestly never dealt with him.

If you remember I said Dion did a good deal with me on the Slug 2 which was about almost 5 years ago and not recently like Dion said it was!

Now in regards to all this post being that let's observe something what this post was about.

Originally posted by Chris Ray:
<STRONG>I think we have explained the inserts over 100 times. Its all over every one of our pages, AND we clearly show a picture of the game. The fact is the public couldnt be more informed about why the screwed up inserts are garbage and we toss them. As a matter of fact, at the CGE our customers WATCHED us thow away the worthless messed up inserts and swap them out right on the spot. No problems. Everyone but NGF obsessed understand that its ridding the market of junk.</STRONG>

Now then did you just ignore what Chris said or what? He admits to doing this. You may not have been around the campfire long enough my friend but getting those two posers to admit to something we ALL knew was true is a marvel within itself.

Chris's idea of calling the ORIGINAL SNK PRINTED INSERTS JUNK IS NOT BEING A COLLECTOR AS HE PROUDLY CALLS HIMSELF.

This is being a PIRATE!

It's no worse if I took an original copy of Mark of the Wolves U.S. and made an insert that said 'BonusKun made this' on it. That cuts the value of the game by over HALF becuase the original value of the game is now worthless because Chris tampered with and removed something that he should have NEVER messed with. Period.

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>Secondly, I just got my two games I ordered from Dion. GUESS WHAT?! Mint condition. There was one NGF label on the instruction manual...however, contrary to what Shawn says, it was NOT randomly inserted! It was on the back page of the manual not obscuring any text or pictures of any kind. After dealing with many places that use void labels, Dion (in my opinion) did a very good job. Shipping took only 2 days and he DID USE delivery confirmation! Those, my friends are all facts.</STRONG>

Well you got your goods. I'm happy for you. You're one of the lucky ones you know that?

I mean afterall if Dion totally fucked you over it would have been another notch on his belt of bullshit he's been known to spew.

Oh wait, He...put his stickers in the manuals?

What's up with that shit Jon?

I thought when you originally posted log of you & Dion discussing you wanting a game, *Mark of the Wolves* you said you didn't WANT stickers but, You got games with stickers anyways?

Oh man, Looks like you got a low end crump on that one.

Delivery confirmation?

Man you mean he's finally not being the Cheapass anymore to customers who spend thousands of dollars on his fake shit to actually be able to suck up the cost of .35 cents?

About time Dion got with the program. Maybe he's learning folks????

Naaaaaah!!!

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>Lastly, I'd recommend NGF to anyone looking for AES carts. Why? Well, for one, they actually RESPOND to emails unlike Shawn McClesky who has yet to reply to ANY of mine!! They are friendly and have answered every question I've asked them. And, unlike Shawn, they are upfront and tell you details so you can get the best deal. BTW, why hasn't Shawn said anything about this? I keep ripping him and I hear nothing. Stop using one of your multiple accounts here and respond, dammit!</STRONG>

Buy from NGF because they respond to emails yet they have been caught in lies about the shit they fucker over people these last few years.

Riiiiiiight...

Why not ask Gargoyle how much NGF cost him on those emails. Dion sure crumped him good.

Oh wait Dion said he never got Ninja Masters back from Gargoyle.

Just like he never got back Shock Troopers from Adol who bitched him out for weeks but, He seemed to had magically found it once again when he was moving.

Isn't that Amazing? <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

As far as Shawn goes, I'm not his mommy. My only thing I can fault him for is his high prices on some of his goods but, His shit is legit.

He's never fucked anyone on a deal.

He shouldn't have to really respond to this topic seeing as he's played these games a millions times. Tell you what tho Jon, Let's up the stakes.

You get Dion to Prove*heh* He's a man and make a comment in this thread then I'm sure Shawn will be more than happy to share his love. If you can make Dion speak after all this time even tho I KNOW he's been in lurker mode for-fucking-ever here, Then maybe Shawn might be inclinded to speak on his own.

Oh and let's have Dion try not to mention his business, Ego, or shit that he has. That gets old and retarded pretty fucking fast. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>That is my personal opinion of NGF. I don't care what ANY of you think about it, nor do I think I should be flamed over it..</STRONG>

Now let' get something right here just for your records so I don't repeat myself too often.

This thread isn't a flame about you Jon. This is a flame on Chris Ray finally ADMITTING the pirate bullshit he's being doing for years.

I have no desire to flame you because you do not understand what a lot of people have put up with in regards to NGF. You just don't know so I don't fault you. I openly speak about Dion because for me not to do so would be me saying Dion is A-Ok. That's not what I'm here for.

Dion could have earned major brownie points by me if he didn't let his ego in the way and had fucked over the U.S. official KoF 2K.

That hurts me more than anything else right there.

I saw a chance for Dion to truly be 100% legit and him and Chris fucked it by having their own site and company logo on the insert.

How do you think some people feel knowing that a legit KoF 2K U.S. does EXIST but, The insert & Manual are fakes?

Doesn't feel nice does it?

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG> All I know is, this site works like this: one of the moderators puts up an anti-NGF post and all of you "kids" respond by jumping on the bandwagon! Why don't you deal with Dion and see just how wrong they are?!! One last thing: if you REALLY HATE Dion as much as you say you do....STOP MAKING NGF POSTS!!! You are giving Dion exactly what he wants. He does read these forums from time to time...and anyone talking about NGF is basically making an advertisment. That's all...I don't care what you think..Leave me alone.

Jon Maxwell.</STRONG>

Why don't we deal with Dion and see how wrong they are?

You're asking people to be suckers?

Oh that's rich!!

As far as hating Dion it's not hate that drives me to rank on his ass.

It's the chance that one day even a hopeless person like him will one day realize the folly of angering his customer base and either holding their goods hostage, lying about the inserts or being an arrogant prick to people by talking down to them like he's above everything.

Sorry, I'd rather deal with Chris Mullins again then deal with Dion and Mullins fucked me out a new Last Blade 2 NeoCD. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

In conclusion Jon,
Mouse_Master who made this original post pretty much has free reign to say what he desires about NGF because Mouse had to eventualy get the U.S. Attorney's offices on his ass.

Why not ask Dion how well that went when they called him on it?

Oh yes Dion said the shit got LOST in the mail*rolls eys*

A shame Mouse had to goto those extremes don't you think?

Either way this rant is over. I'm sure you'll have some choice words to share with me regarding the issue but, I'm always here with open sound advice and I have a listening ear.

Bottom Line.

Chris Ray admitted to throwing away original printed SNK inserts after all these years.

That's news to me and I'm glad to finally hear it. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

[ September 11, 2001: Message edited by: BonusKun ]

 

[Nick Goracke]

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>Lastly, I'd recommend NGF to anyone looking for AES carts. Why? Well, for one, they actually RESPOND to emails unlike Shawn McClesky who has yet to reply to ANY of mine!! </STRONG>

Well, I sent an inquiry to NGF when I just got into the Neo scene. Never got a response, never ordered from them, and was later warned against doing so.

Sent 2 emails to Neo-Geo.com - recieved a response from the sales@ address, didn't recieve a response from the shawn@ address (different question asked a month later).


And to the guy who commented about Funcoland throwing out boxes and manuals - I've seen it happen. At least the store I worked at gave boxes of... uh... boxes away to people that wanted them.

 

[Jon]

Bonuskun,
I agree that some of the stuff Dion has done is wrong. There's definitely proof to back it up. All I'm saying is that I had a good deal with him, the carts were real, and (to the best of my knowledge) the inserts were real, as well. If I had a webcam, I'd show you them as well as the priority mailer he sent with the delivery confirmation.

On the issue of the NGF labels: Yes, I do agree that they are annoying. As you may have read in my conversation, I specifically stated I did not want them in my manuals. I'd seen evidence of Dion doing this before I did business with him. However, even though I DID get tagged manuals, the labels were not in an annoying place, there was only one, and it was on the back page. Therefore, there's some proof to you that he doesn't "randomly" insert them. However, I do agree..they are annoying and he does need to stop doing this. I've suggested to him (through email) that instead, he put them on the side of the AES cart so they could easily be removed once the warranty expired. The response I got was odd, to say the least. He said that the labels were "a completely transferrable warranty that no one else offered" or, something to that effect. And, he even added the labels looked cool...which, I GUESS I can agree to. They definitely look professional. However, Bonuskun, I do agree that when I mention this issue to him, it's like talking to a brick wall.

Replacement inserts: I think that if they are replacing the inserts, it's definitely a crime. I've been a video game collector since I was 14 years old (in 1995) and I always at least try to get the best possible copy of a game. That means, whenever possible, a manual, box, and a game in decent working condition and without any scratches (if it's a CD). Where does it say above that I thought otherwise? (on the issue of non-pirated games) All I can say on this issue is that next time I see Dion online, I will mention it to him and see what he says. I'm sure you'd all be interested in that.

As far as getting Dion to actually post something in his defense, I highly doubt (as I'm sure all of you would have guessed) that it will ever happen. If Dion were to post here, no matter what topic...even if it was about bunnyrabbits, the response would be so negative that he would probably decide again not to post here. And, I seriously can't say I blame him.

Also, shifting gears a bit here, I realize that NGF and Shawn are not the only two people selling Neo Geo stuff in the entire world. I just thought it was a bit rude of Shawn not to respond to any of my mails. As far as myself complaining about my job...the only reason I mentioned that is to illustrate how HARD I work for my money. Yes, I know some of you probably work alot harder than I do but, that doesn't mean my suffering isn't any less on the job. Also, a lot of my money is supposed to go directly to my bank account. What little I have left is what I spend on games. Does this make sense to any of you?

And, lastly, I am not a NGF ass kisser. I only posted about Dion in the first place because I thought it was really cool to talk to someone that well known in the community about Neo Geo. I'm sure everyone who's met him or talked with him would PROBABLY tell you the exact same thing. The other reason is because I did get a good deal from Dion.

That's all...no flames, nothing negative at all that I said, was there? Anyway, I may be in the chat room tonight if any of you want to talk to me. Good night.

Jon Maxwell

 

[The Z-Man]

I just wanted to add my 2 cents by saying ngf are the biggest bunch of idiots I've ever heard of. Destroying those inserts is just like these $h!tty new companies that are taking over the once cool used game stores. They buy masses of all types of games and throw away the orginal box and instructions so they can package it in their own self-promotional garbage. If anyone out there knows an EB (Electronics Boutique) Game World this is exactly who I'm talkin about. So in closing F_ _K ngf, they are exactly why I will never own a U.S. KOF 2000. C'oz dat $h!t aint real. If it's not manufactured by SNK I don't want it.

 

[Big Bruno]

I think everyone likes Dion the first month or so they talk to him. Then he comes off with the crazy stuff and his other babbelings. As far as knowing a lot about the Neo. He knows some. But he has a habit of making things up and changing things to his liking which can not be trusted. Either way I am glad you had a somewhat good deal with him. But I imagine if you ever had to cash in on that "warrenty" he would never honor it anyway. I think dealing with NGF in anyway is not a good idea. But as I have also said it is your money you can do what you want with it. Just do not try to defend someone who has already proven themself several times over to be a distrusted Thorn in the Neo community and to it's fans overall. At least not in a true neo fan forum. You can talk all you want in thier forums, after all that is what they have them for. And that is my thoughts on the matter.

 

[Loopz]

Woooooooooow.......

Jon, didn't you learn last time that you only entitle yourself to a world of shit when you stick up for NGF? Get the point dood....those fuckers' days of shafting an unsuspecting public are over...as long as we can spread the message. You're swimming against the tide here, fool. <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

 

[Viewpoint]

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>Bonuskun,
I agree that some of the stuff Dion has done is wrong. There's definitely proof to back it up. All I'm saying is that I had a good deal with him, the carts were real, and (to the best of my knowledge) the inserts were real, as well. If I had a webcam, I'd show you them as well as the priority mailer he sent with the delivery confirmation.</STRONG>

Hey Jon,
I'm happy you had a good deal with him but, Don't think it will look good in the eyes of some of the older cats*Got me saying it now Trey <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">* that have dealt with dion for the past 8 plus years.

Now if you are saying the inserts are real then you mean that they do not have the writing or printed lie as I call it on the lower backleft corner stating thus...

Availability of this cartridge is made possible through exculsive agreements between SNK and NeoGeoFreak. Please Contact NeoGeoFreak staff for more information.

This of course Jon is a 100% lie and one of the main reasons why everyone ranks on Dion & Chris so hard. Them finally admitting they trash the original SNK printed work is something of a marvel due to them never admitting to ANYTHING unless they are cornered.

If these are legit original SNK inserts that do NOT have those markings then you are a very lucky person indeed.

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>On the issue of the NGF labels: Yes, I do agree that they are annoying. As you may have read in my conversation, I specifically stated I did not want them in my manuals. I'd seen evidence of Dion doing this before I did business with him. However, even though I DID get tagged manuals, the labels were not in an annoying place, there was only one, and it was on the back page.
Therefore, there's some proof to you that he doesn't "randomly" insert them. However, I do agree..they are annoying and he does need to stop doing this. I've suggested to him (through email) that instead, he put them on the side of the AES cart so they could easily be removed once the warranty expired. The response I got was odd, to say the least. He said that the labels were "a completely transferrable warranty that no one else offered" or, something to that effect. And, he even added the labels looked cool...which, I GUESS I can agree to. They definitely look professional. However, Bonuskun, I do agree that when I mention this issue to him, it's like talking to a brick wall.</STRONG>

Talking to a brick wall is a compliment when describing those two.

The fact Dion said they looked cool is a lame excuse to me for him willing putting his stupid ass labels on the manuals therefore RUINING the original printed product with something that was NEVER there nor SHOULD have been on it in the 1st place.

As far as them being randomly placed I think those were Shawn's words and not mine. This doesn't excuse the fact that he put STICKERS in manuals which at the MOST he should have pulled a Gamedude and slapped them on the side of the cart where GooGone can easily remove those lameass things!!

Fact of the matter Dion & Chris ruined original product by trying to pretend they are official.

They are only killing the collector's value*which could be a good or bad thing depending on your point of view* and makes it quite hard to attest ANY value to the game becuase the original product was marred by someone's ego who couldn't leave well enough alone.

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>Replacement inserts: I think that if they are replacing the inserts, it's definitely a crime. I've been a video game collector since I was 14 years old (in 1995) and I always at least try to get the best possible copy of a game. That means, whenever possible, a manual, box, and a game in decent working condition and without any scratches (if it's a CD). Where does it say above that I thought otherwise? (on the issue of non-pirated games) All I can say on this issue is that next time I see Dion online, I will mention it to him and see what he says. I'm sure you'd all be interested in that.</STRONG>

Now I personally don't think replacing old and fucked inserts is a crime in this case.

Nick_Th_Fury has offered some very awesome inserts for people who wanted to get inserts for their games that don't have them due to people who probably previously owned them that ruined them, Let their dog chew on em, or had it ripped in a blender. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

The thing I'm trying to impress on you here bud is that Dion and Chris replaced the inserts when there was no NEED to and then proceeded to LIE *repeats* LIE about the inserts saying they were official SNK printed inserts from SNK of Japan's digital files which doesn't mean dick because SNK didn't approve of those inserts and Dion was NEVER contracted by SNK to make inserts for games.

Bottom line on this, He lied to his customers by replacing the ORIGINAL SNK inserts with his own, not telling them he did this, and thus forth tried to call himself official.

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>As far as getting Dion to actually post something in his defense, I highly doubt (as I'm sure all of you would have guessed) that it will ever happen. If Dion were to post here, no matter what topic...even if it was about bunnyrabbits, the response would be so negative that he would probably decide again not to post here. And, I seriously can't say I blame him.</STRONG>

You're 100% right on this issue Jon. I know full well that Dion would get flamed by the masses because he's been finally cornered by the majority of what he pulled these years ago.

He was never able to be fully caught because a LOT of people feared some stupid retribution from the Mr.Neo*Geo Gawd. Dion keeps trying to play these games and sends people over here who have a full 100% understanding*AtariKid for example* That they will get flamed for for speaking of Dion & Chris in a positive light.

It's status quo that if you speak of Dion & Chris in a good way here, You'll get flamed.

It's nothing that cannot be avoided because some of the older cats on the scene, Mouse_Master, Bobak, Biomotor_Unitron, SNK DEVIl GUI LONG, DSD, Lord Illicious, Nick_th_Fury, Big Bruno, Myself, Billkwando, DolphinLord, JmKurtz & many others I haven't listed saw a lot of his shit 1st hand and to be quite honest they are rightfully pissed at Dion & Chris because they had a chance to be something really great to the Neo Scene expect they both lied and misled their customers to never want to deal with them again.

I'm not saying we are saints, We just have a true sense of right & wrong which NGF doesn't seem to comprehend in the line of what they did.

This is a reality which a lot of newbies in the scene are unaware of but, You'll find that these guys are true fans to the Neo*Geo because they care for it's members in their own way and try to each be upstanding people by never pulling the kinda shit Dion & Chris have done. It's not hard to become a lemming and follow the crowd, it takes real courage to speak up when you truly know something is wrong.

That is what Bill, Nick, DolphionLord and the others did.

They spoke up because they knew Dion & Chris were shoveling bullshit and called them on it.

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>Also, shifting gears a bit here, I realize that NGF and Shawn are not the only two people selling Neo Geo stuff in the entire world. I just thought it was a bit rude of Shawn not to respond to any of my mails. As far as myself complaining about my job...the only reason I mentioned that is to illustrate how HARD I work for my money. Yes, I know some of you probably work alot harder than I do but, that doesn't mean my suffering isn't any less on the job. Also, a lot of my money is supposed to go directly to my bank account. What little I have left is what I spend on games. Does this make sense to any of you?</STRONG>

Yes Jon sadly it does make a lot of sense because I used to be there also. I love the Neo*Geo and its games but this is probably the most EXPENSIVE hobby I have ever gotten into hand down.

Just remember patience is a virtue and if you wait, Good deals will pop up and you can get original SNK untampered games and not have to worry if you got some fake eproms or games with stickers in the manuals.

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>And, lastly, I am not a NGF ass kisser. I only posted about Dion in the first place because I thought it was really cool to talk to someone that well known in the community about Neo Geo. I'm sure everyone who's met him or talked with him would PROBABLY tell you the exact same thing. The other reason is because I did get a good deal from Dion.</STRONG>

The thing is sir that you made a post about Dion in a place where his presence is not wanted nor desired anymore.

You see it's more or less that the duo have burned many bridges and have pissed off so many people with their arrogant attitudes that speaking of them in a nice light even IF they did a good deal with you will PISS OFF the members here who got fucked or had to goto extremes *Mouse_Master* to get thier shit.

Dion has never EVER apolgized to Mouse for fucking him over or even tried to make restituion to Gargoyle for the loss of his game which Dion tried to sell as a legit title but ended up getting a conversion.

Originally posted by Jon:
<STRONG>That's all...no flames, nothing negative at all that I said, was there? Anyway, I may be in the chat room tonight if any of you want to talk to me. Good night.

Jon Maxwell</STRONG>

Like I said many times already, I'm not here to flame you Jon but to make you understand how some people RIGHTLY feel.

If you understand this in any sense then I would suggest you don't make any positive posts about NGF because they are unique in the sense that the Neo*Scene as a majority does NOT want them here.

It's a harsh truth Jon but Dion & Chris Ray will never, ever be legit. They burned too many bridges and a lot of people will never forgive them for ruining this hobby like they did. <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

[ September 12, 2001: Message edited by: BonusKun ]

 

[chimpmeister]

Originally posted by Metal Slug:
<STRONG>Guys, don't let this "kiddy" wind you up!
It's more than likley just a NGF plant anyway.</STRONG>

Good call Metal Slug, I was thinking the same thing myself. Periodically we get these fake IDs in here, trying to boost NGF's dead reputation. "Jon" is most likely just another one of those, and the best thing to do is, not to try to reason with him (would be like reasoning with Dion, which is probably what you're really doing), but to just ignore him. If "Jon" isn't fake, then "Jon" is an IDIOT. End of story . . . <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0">

 

[Viewpoint]

Originally posted by chimpmeister:
<STRONG>Good call Metal Slug, I was thinking the same thing myself. Periodically we get these fake IDs in here, trying to boost NGF's dead reputation. "Jon" is most likely just another one of those, and the best thing to do is, not to try to reason with him (would be like reasoning with Dion, which is probably what you're really doing), but to just ignore him. If "Jon" isn't fake, then "Jon" is an IDIOT. End of story . . . <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Chimp,
Part of the reason I'm responding to Jon as such is because other will read this from an intellgent point of view which I am presenting and realize that maybe Dion & Chris are really dishonest crooks.

I won't allow myself to become a stereotype person and let it come to a point where I asay BURN NGF because it would fall on deaf ears of some people who just don't want to hear that.

In the end information is the best tool in dealing with people like NGF and everytime I speak up about them I am willing to offer consicse truth and facts to what they really are.

Nothing more.

Nothing Less.

 

[VinylBoy]

Originally posted by Wan-Fu:
<STRONG>I think NGF probably made this up just to anger people. <IMG SRC="smilies/annoyed.gif" border="0">

NGF likes attention, even the negative kind.</STRONG>

"Negative press" only helps people in the music industry... just ask most hip-hop or rock stars. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Attention like this will only continue to put nails in their already existing coffins. They seem to think that the more people talk about them, the more they will get in sales. That may be true, but when they are on the record stating that they are throwing away the original SNK inserts they are really shooting themselves in the foot. Even if they just meant that as an "intentional lie", the fact that tehy would actually destroy the original works from the companies they try to make money off of makes them look extremely hypocritical.

It makes me very thankful that I never got desperate enough for games that I would deal with them. All my games are 100% Authentic, regardless of territory, and will always be worth something. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

 

[VinylBoy]

You know, I really don't see why I'm posting this... maybe because I have 15 minutes to kill while my DVD is burning. Long live Macs!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Jon:
Ok, I read this forum. Sounds like one person pointing out something that they think NGF is doing and everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon. That is all this is and nothing more.

I'm another member of the DHP list and I also read the e-mail. In fact, there are MANY people who are still on that list regardless to how popular Shawn's list has grown over the last year or so. Just like me, many of these members are signed up with both the DHP list and are on these forums, so they have the right to wave a flag when they see any signs of BS in the community. Your adoring vendors of Neo-Garbae Carts blatantly admitted to throwing out original SNK inserts to replace them with their own since they felt the ORIGINALS were incorrect. Nobody knows what the ORIGINALS were supposed to look like EXCEPT for the person who ORIGINALLY designed them. If anything, NGF should have made the ORIGINALS available for those who may have wanted them. Instead, they willingly destroyed them... and they admitted to doing it. This takes away ANY credibility to any of the games they may distribute, especially the authenticity of the US KOf 2000 Cart since they admitted that the original insers would have been destroyed.

If this is a lie? Then it's a REALLY BAD ATTEMPT to get attention, for they are really starting to irritate people with this one on a grand scale.

BTW... I also have the e-mail since I am also a member of the DHP list. Looks as if I "jumped on the bandwagon" as well, right? <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

Secondly, I just got my two games I ordered from Dion. GUESS WHAT?! Mint condition. There was one NGF label on the instruction manual...however, contrary to what Shawn says, it was NOT randomly inserted! It was on the back page of the manual not obscuring any text or pictures of any kind. After dealing with many places that use void labels, Dion (in my opinion) did a very good job. Shipping took only 2 days and he DID USE delivery confirmation! Those, my friends are all facts.

Fine... you got the games. Whatever... consider youself lucky. There are MANY people around here that got burned by them. Many reports of people not satisfied with their products, and even reports of people who actually had to call authorities in order for them to complete their ends of the deal. That's why people vent their anger...

Since you're obviously not interested in the hobby as a true collector, it doesn't matter how good (or how bad) the paperwork is. As long as the games work, you're happy with it. Hence why you deal with NGF. That's fine...

Lastly, I'd recommend NGF to anyone looking for AES carts. Why? Well, for one, they actually RESPOND to emails unlike Shawn McClesky who has yet to reply to ANY of mine!! They are friendly and have answered every question I've asked them. And, unlike Shawn, they are upfront and tell you details so you can get the best deal. BTW, why hasn't Shawn said anything about this? I keep ripping him and I hear nothing. Stop using one of your multiple accounts here and respond, dammit!

OK... let's think of the logic here.
You come to a forum where NGF is obviously HATED to praise them and recommend them to a bunch of people, some who have been ripped off by NGF, and you expect to be treated nicely around here?

Would you jump into a Lion's Den wearing a suit made out of T-Bone Steaks??? <IMG SRC="smilies/redface.gif" border="0">hno:

And please... don't start the whole argument of "multiple accounts". I think we can all come up with a bunch of "aliases" that the Neo-Garbage-Fake boys have used over the last two years.

That is my personal opinion of NGF. I don't care what ANY of you think about it, nor do I think I should be flamed over it. All I know is, this site works like this: one of the moderators puts up an anti-NGF post and all of you "kids" respond by jumping on the bandwagon! Why don't you deal with Dion and see just how wrong they are?!! One last thing: if you REALLY HATE Dion as much as you say you do....STOP MAKING NGF POSTS!!! You are giving Dion exactly what he wants. He does read these forums from time to time...and anyone talking about NGF is basically making an advertisment. That's all...I don't care what you think..Leave me alone.[/QB]

Hmmmm... "kids" with opinions or a mindless "adult" who has obviously been brainwashed. At this rate, I don't think I'll EVER grow up! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

Originally posted by chimpmeister:
<STRONG>Good call Metal Slug, I was thinking the same thing myself. Periodically we get these fake IDs in here, trying to boost NGF's dead reputation. "Jon" is most likely just another one of those, and the best thing to do is, not to try to reason with him (would be like reasoning with Dion, which is probably what you're really doing), but to just ignore him. If "Jon" isn't fake, then "Jon" is an IDIOT. End of story . . . <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

Ehrm, Chimp...I know Jon in real life. I can tell you that he damn well ain't Dion. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

It's wierd...I'm wondering myself why he acts this way on here KNOWING what to expect, but when I talk with him in person or over the IM, he's proven to be fairly intelligent. *scratches head*

Josh the FunkDOC