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I usually just use a bunch of test patterns / color bars on JAMMA PCBs or a 240p test suite. I can dial in pretty well geometry and color gain/cutoff with that. It would be cool to learn the right way though.
How far is too far?
KyaDash and ChuChu already bit into this, but I was talking about on the SAME monitor the difference between RGBS and YPbPr is extremely small (since the signals themselves are nearly identical in quality when all things are equal). In most cases it comes down to how the monitor's hardware handles both input types, how it's calibrated, and how the converter box was built.
When I run mine on my BVM-D20F1U where I can switch from one preset to another very quickly with its two input cards, and flash between the same source on RGBS and converted RGBS>YPbPr, they are so close I would fail the Pepsi challenge picking one over the other.
Even when I try it side-by-side with my BVM-20F1U and BVM-D20F1U (calibrated for white balance at least with the BKM-14L probe less than a year ago) they're near identical once again. The SUPER slight differences are there if I squint and half-way guess (these are different sets) but then I can tweak the brightness a notch or two, or contrast, or R or G level or whatever and they'll be so close to each other it's not even funny.
I totally understand your logic. I've moreso been posting about the RGBS SCART to YPbPr converter option because ever since that "OMG RGB TV MOD IS SEX – BETTER THAN BVM" video came out you have people left and right wanting to mod their consumer sets. People who have never opened up an electronic device in their life. They think the mod is so easy because there's tutorials online and the thread on Shmups, and that after it's done they will have a TV with the same exact quality (if not better since *they* did the mod themselves) than a BVM...which I always laugh about lol.
Using a simple converter at least gives them another option on the cheap, with an easily found free consumer TV with component inputs. My own Sony KV-27FV310 looks beautiful with the Shinybow SB-2840 YPbPr converter. Little oversaturated (especially on the reds which Wega's tend to do), but when set to pro mode (with a couple slight tweaks...haven't even gone into the service menu much yet) it's a really sharp set (and like has already been said, that extra size doesn't hurt either).
It'd had been several years since I've seen it, but we watched The Ring again last night, and man that movie has a really awesome variety of CRTs. Old school, professional, PVMs, consumer trinitrons, big and small. Watch it and see if you can count how many unique models pop up. Would make a pretty good drinking game
Depending on the specific model in question, there are a few service menu options that actually affect the red-push directly (red push is one of the biggest complaints with WEGA sets). As for the sharpness, if you mean the normal menu sharpness setting, that one shouldn't really be touched, left at about middle position, maybe a bit lower. Aside from possibly fiddling with the focus pot on the flyback to get things a bit tighter, again, depending on the set, there may be a separate sharpness (sub sharp or something along those lines) which will legitimately give you a truly sharper picture rather than the dirty, VM like sharpness filter that the user menu option affects.but messing with that pain in the ass service menu didn't do much. My Reds are over saturated and bleed and if I try to sharpen the picture It looks grainy.
Depending on the specific model in question, there are a few service menu options that actually affect the red-push directly (red push is one of the biggest complaints with WEGA sets). As for the sharpness, if you mean the normal menu sharpness setting, that one shouldn't really be touched, left at about middle position, maybe a bit lower. Aside from possibly fiddling with the focus pot on the flyback to get things a bit tighter, again, depending on the set, there may be a separate sharpness (sub sharp or something along those lines) which will legitimately give you a truly sharper picture rather than the dirty, VM like sharpness filter that the user menu option affects.
I'm not trying to convince you that consumer sets can replace a nice PVM, just that the day that you have to go back to consumer gear might not have to be as bad as you think it will.
For SD monitors like the M4, you're really not getting much of a benefit from buying an adapter like that, since you're going to be limited to SD content only; PS3 is the only thing I can think of that might be able to put out 480i over HDMI (and I'm not entirely sure on that) and in a case like that, you'd be better off just using the readily available RGB or Component on the multi-out for that.My 20M4A PVM came with the SDI card installed, has anyone used one of these converters to use a HDMI source?
I really need to get over this lol. I'm now searching heart and soul for a KV-xxFV310! lol I swear, I'll never be able to live! hehe
I've literally found over 50 PVM/BVM's in my area in the last year or so. In that same time period I found THREE FV310's - if you thought finding PVM's was hard, I found the FV310 to be a TON harder to find weirdly (I stopped looking hard-core after I got mine though, so who knows if they're popping up left and right now for all I know lol).
Thoughts anyone? $250 for the OEV203?
You can read my earlier thoughts about your current 27" Wega compared to the OEV203. Cliffs notes, the image in color on the OEV203 will look slightly better than the Wega, but I wouldn't give up the extra size of the 27", the quality difference isn't that much. At this point you've hit the point of diminishing returns. PVMs, HD scaler setups, it's all expensive stuff that doesn't get you much better quality than what you have now. I wouldn't trade my 27" Wega for the 203 in an even swap, much less pay several hundred dollars for one.
Oh, boo. I didn't see that your other one is toast.
I can't deal with CRTs bigger than 27". If I can't pick it up by myself then it's too difficult to deal with.
Oh, boo. I didn't see that your other one is toast.
I can't deal with CRTs bigger than 27". If I can't pick it up by myself then it's too difficult to deal with.
Another reason why I love my 14 and 20 inch pvm's. Moving those 27 inch wegas around in my early 20's was cool but in my mid 30's now, Throwing out my back over a TV isn't worth it. A brother has to preserve his youth.
WAT? the 27" wega doesn't weight more than a bale of hay, it even has handles (like your waist)! pffft...city boy getting soft.
For SD monitors like the M4, you're really not getting much of a benefit from buying an adapter like that, since you're going to be limited to SD content only; PS3 is the only thing I can think of that might be able to put out 480i over HDMI (and I'm not entirely sure on that) and in a case like that, you'd be better off just using the readily available RGB or Component on the multi-out for that.
I have no personal experience with HDMI->SDI converters, but a friend has said in the past that the cheaper ones tend to give rather poor results. Whether that's true or not I really can't say, but I trust his word.