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[nightc1]

I'm a pretty logical dude, but some wires are getting crossed trying to figure out how the press release posted and the supreme attention by eggplant_casserole & LeGtiT to defend NGF actually overrides all the real folks on this site and others that got ripped off by NGF? I just don't get that way of arguing. Folks were ripped off, end of story.

I feel bad for the folks on Assembler that no doubt will be duped by these proven liars.

The only thing that makes logical sense is, corruption ... stupidity, or someone has a few accounts on this site.

Time to break out the ip checker... is LeGiT...er... Legit? Is he really in the UK? How about eggplant_casserole?

I just find it hard to believe folks that rush in to defend proven thieves and liars.

 

[TonK]

I found out the court records to the case aren't sealed, I have to pay like $7 for a copy of the report.

Surprised nobody called the Orange County records department to get a copy of the case file.

Looks to me like the limited exception to the Permanent Injunction is found in the PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION (Filed: 1/15/2003; Decided: 1/17/2003) and NOT the STIPULATED PERMANENT INJUNCTION (Filed: 10/14/2003; Decided 10/15/2003).

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December 4, 2003
SNK PLAYMORE CORPORATION



Neogeo Freaks

...

As a limited exception to the Permanent Injunction, the video games on the list below, and only those video games, were purchased from SNK Corporation Japan, and were sold by Neogeo Freaks/NGF USA with the permission of SNK Corporation Japan. These games were sold by Neogeo Freaks/NGF USA with the corrected English AES inserts with the permission of SNK Corporation Japan.

The List of Authentic Games owned by Neogeo Freaks/NGF USA is as follows:

...

 

[Tyranix95]

Heh, let me guess: Chrisr & Dion told your that the records were sealed.

 

[TonK]

Heh, let me guess: Chrisr & Dion told your that the records were sealed.

Yes sir.

You've been doing a lot of research - can you tell me why SNKP stated that NGf was allowed to sell bootleg material if that's what they took them to court for.

 

[chrisr]

Yes sir.

You've been doing a lot of research - can you tell me why SNKP stated that NGf was allowed to sell bootleg material if that's what they took them to court for.

I will save you the money since I am such a nice guy. I have seen most of the court papers already posted online and you will get nothing new out of them. There is nothing more to find out, it is all right there in the perm injunction. As you state, we are not allowed to sell infringing items. Hmm, now tell yourself, are YOU allowed to sell infringing items? Is ANYONE allowed to? Obviously no.

Playmore and NGF agreed to this injunction,
Based on the private settlement we received. This settlement will not he a part of the court papers since it is confidential. I only wish we could. But take the wording of the injunction and the release of the press release and put two and two together. Playmore has to publish a statement saying we have the rights to sell all of these games, which btw, is actually bigger than the list they published, and at the same time they get their all important permanent injunction which basically says we cannot do the obvious, which is sell infringing items, just like the rest of the world.

If you know anything about Japanese culture, you will be able to understand.

I hadn't bother to post in this thread as I said it was done, but I think this topic needed the clarity it deserves.

Also, I wonder what people are thinking when they talk about NGF "business"? Newsflash, there is no business, we both have sold like 98% of our stock years ago. I make maybe and I mean maybe 2 or 3 transactions a year. I just do not have the time or motivation.

If we decide to make a new release, that will be something, but I think it is more of a pain than it is worth, so watch for the next whatsnew.txt in the next release of mame, and let the ngf legacy extend itself yet again.

 

[SetaSouji??]

I hadn't bother to post in this thread as I said it was done, but I think this topic needed the clarity it deserves.

So why bother, you already got proven to be a liar.

If we decide to make a new release, that will be something, but I think it is more of a pain than it is worth

You're only halfway lying in this sentence. The Neo does suck to make games for. I consider myself quite adept at making software, and this damn thing gives me problems. I can somewhat understand why the MSRP costs were so damn high. You and your equally moronic partner are not capable of making a new release.

See you dastardly fucks in August to laugh at you.

 

[malignantpoodle]

As you state, we are not allowed to sell infringing items. Hmm, now tell yourself, are YOU allowed to sell infringing items? Is ANYONE allowed to? Obviously no.

which basically says we cannot do the obvious, which is sell infringing items, just like the rest of the world.

Right. So we're to believe that the whole ordeal was just to underscore the law and remind everyone that selling infringing items is illegal, right?

The biggest problem with copyright/trademark/patent suits is establishing that a violation has taken place, that the plaintiffs own the rights, and that the defendants infringed.

That is precisely what the injunction against your actions did. You make it sound like SNKp simply made a statement that their rights are protected and just included you in the "rest of the world" as you put it, as their target audience.

 

[Tyranix95]

... If you know anything about Japanese culture, you will be able to understand ....

I do.

And if true, then the last line makes sense now.

Thank You for the clarification.

 

[abasuto]

bark bark bark

Ah, it was only a matter of time before Dion's loyal terrier showed up.

Even amongst the NGF loyalist, you're still viewed as "that guy Dion carried along". Hit Dion's ego that you were the brains of NGF and ouch, "Chris Ray wouldn't of been shit without me".

That amuses me. That you have no side in this with respect. One side hates you, the other side accepts you, yet thinks you were a nobody that Dion made famous.

It also amuses me more just how willing you are and always were to accept the role of #2 bitch boy. To be honest, you should of been #1 at NGF. You were smarter than Dion, you had a stronger business mind than Dion. That entire thing should of been yours, but you bowed before Dion's ego and now you'll forever be seen as "that guy under Dion".

 

[Poonman]

let the ngf legacy extend itself yet again.

If it extends past 8 inches, be sure to take pics and post em up.

 

[SonGohan]

Hahahahaha

 

[TonK]

I will save you the money since I am such a nice guy. I have seen most of the court papers already posted online and you will get nothing new out of them. There is nothing more to find out, it is all right there in the perm injunction. As you state, we are not allowed to sell infringing items. Hmm, now tell yourself, are YOU allowed to sell infringing items? Is ANYONE allowed to? Obviously no.

Playmore and NGF agreed to this injunction,
Based on the private settlement we received. This settlement will not he a part of the court papers since it is confidential. I only wish we could. But take the wording of the injunction and the release of the press release and put two and two together. Playmore has to publish a statement saying we have the rights to sell all of these games, which btw, is actually bigger than the list they published, and at the same time they get their all important permanent injunction which basically says we cannot do the obvious, which is sell infringing items, just like the rest of the world.

If you know anything about Japanese culture, you will be able to understand.

I hadn't bother to post in this thread as I said it was done, but I think this topic needed the clarity it deserves.

Also, I wonder what people are thinking when they talk about NGF "business"? Newsflash, there is no business, we both have sold like 98% of our stock years ago. I make maybe and I mean maybe 2 or 3 transactions a year. I just do not have the time or motivation.

If we decide to make a new release, that will be something, but I think it is more of a pain than it is worth, so watch for the next whatsnew.txt in the next release of mame, and let the ngf legacy extend itself yet again.

That's fine.

I am still getting the documents, I do appreciate you telling the truth though.

Don't know why you guys string along shit sometimes - everyone knows you weren't allowed to sell corrected inserts.

The court papers will be hosted as well.

I was already told by the Patel Lawfirm that you guys were banned from selling counterfeit material (i.e. your corrected inserts are banned from sale and were NEVER official) and that both SNKP and SNK JP never had you as an authorized distributor or reseller for any of their titles.

And according to the Patel Lawfirm, no part of the case was sealed, nor did you receive a financial settlement. You did get your bonds refunded.

But I asked about the case details and they checked the file - no part of the case is sealed or private, including the settlement.

Are you going to release your source code for Neo Pool Master?

 

[werejag]

chrisr

it is not in your nature to even give artwork away for free. now you want us to believe you going to release roms??? do you think we are this fucking stupid. i approached you several times over the years and every time i asked for artwork in a digital format or scans you asked for money.

so piss of

 

[Rot]

England still proving it produces the most worthless forum members around the world

HEY QUBE!

That was cold man... COLD!

I'm in the UK...

xROTx

PS. Bump

 

[Viewpoint]

lol.....

 

[LeGIt]

I just find it hard to believe folks that rush in to defend proven thieves and liars.

A) I'm not defending Dion/NGF and
B) they were never proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be scammers.

Don't know why you guys string along shit sometimes - everyone knows you weren't allowed to sell corrected inserts.

Oh FFS not this again. Unless you are blind with rage or plain stupid the SNK Playmore press release and court documents clearly shows that they had rights for a lot of titles - but not Bust a Move Again EX, Bomberman, Neo Mr. Do, Puzzled, Neo Bomberman, Panic Bomber, Prehistoric Isle and Zupapa.

The court papers will be hosted as well.

If you could OCR them so they are searchable that would be great, thanks.

I was already told by the Patel Lawfirm that you guys were banned from selling counterfeit material (i.e. your corrected inserts are banned from sale and were NEVER official) and that both SNKP and SNK JP never had you as an authorized distributor or reseller for any of their titles.

Oh FFS not again. The Patel law firm are correct in that they are banned from doing so on unauthorised titles such as Bust a Move Again EX, Bomberman, Neo Mr. Do, Puzzled, Neo Bomberman, Panic Bomber, Prehistoric Isle and Zupapa. Call them again and tell me I'm wrong? They will agree with what I've said.

There was an authorised list too, as seen by the SNK Playmore press release with basically everything else deemed official.

 

[eggplant_casserole]

I'm a pretty logical dude, but some wires are getting crossed trying to figure out how the press release posted and the supreme attention by eggplant_casserole & LeGtiT to defend NGF actually overrides all the real folks on this site and others that got ripped off by NGF? I just don't get that way of arguing. Folks were ripped off, end of story.

I feel bad for the folks on Assembler that no doubt will be duped by these proven liars.

Oh, that's a separate issue. I never said I condoned Dion's other actions. However, you'd think that people would take proper legal action against them at the time, rather than moan about it on the Internet. We've all been ripped off by douchebags. It sucks. And yet we get over it and move on, rather than keeping some petty grudge for 10 years.

Sure, come and tell everyone what Dion did. ONCE. Then move on - let them make up your own minds. As you said, if they're gullible enough to do a deal with him and it goes tits up, their problem. And sure, feel free to say I told you so should that happen.

By the way, Dion hasn't made any attempt to sell on ASSEMblergames, and from what he's said, I'm not sure he has much left to sell anyway. So really, what is the point in warning us he's a scammer if he only wants a chat?

I'm not actually defending them, I'm just pointing out that, for once, they've actually been telling the truth.

OK, tell me this if you're so logical. If you're right, why would Playmore post that notice on their site? Which they did - we all saw it.

I still fail to see why Tonk and the rest of you can't get this into your heads. As lousy quality as they may have been, the inserts were SANCTIONED BY SNK. This was stated in black and white on their website. You cannot dispute this. Therefore, the injunction is not broken - NGF are not selling counterfeit goods.

 

[werejag]

personally ive not seen it on their website i only say questionable webarchive as we have yet to find the validity of such

 

[LeGIt]

personally ive not seen it on their website i only say questionable webarchive as we have yet to find the validity of such

The webarchive still confirmed the court documents approved list and disproved rights to Bust a Move Again EX, Bomberman, Neo Mr. Do, Puzzled, Neo Bomberman, Panic Bomber, Prehistoric Isle and Zupapa.

If you are going to ignore that, then that is your perogative.

 

[werejag]

no the webarchive confirms that there was text on a website. court docs haven't shown anything of the sort now we experienced how loose you are with the facts to suit your agendas stay in what can be proven and backed up. stay in here and start really reading.

 

[LeGIt]

Yeah it's just text on a website, but so what? So are the claims of people here that they were scammed yet you do not give them any less credit.

Werejag as per usual you either misunderstand the situation or clearly have no fucking clue as to what you are talking about so just shut up. The documents I saw, amongst others were posted on NG.

- The "preliminary injunction" you post has entering date 17 January 2003; here, with entering date 15 October 2003, is stated:

http://valou.ludo.free.fr/NEO/Copie de playmore_1.pdf

"(e) On January 31, 2003, NeoGeo Freak, who was then discovered to be a fictious business name of Dion Dakis, filed an Answer to the Complaint."

If you read all, you will see the original complaint had to be ammended due to this, and then Dion had to answer to the amended complaint.

- Regarding the Playmore press release link:

http://replay.web.archive.org/20050208171535/http://www.snkplaymore.jp/information/en_press15.html


EDIT: Legit, take on account why is so important when the supposed rights Dion could have to do what he did started; if they started after the 2000, as the information here exposed by members of the forum suggest, then all what he did done before the date, regarding conversions/corrected inserts/etc., would have not rights.

EDIT2: The DHP Neo-Geo mailing list:

http://replay.web.archive.org/20050306231453/http://lists.dhp.com/neogeo/

The problem is there are several documents broken up into several links in several posts. I notarized the lot, but it would be a buttload easier if they were all posted together.

I don't see why anyone who still has all of the documents to hand can't just repost them now into the thread for all to see? It really isn't that difficult. If there are more documents, they can be added to the list at a later date.

 

[werejag]

as i stated before webarchive isnt court docs ive looked but so far where is the " so called authorized list"?

please show me

 

[LeGIt]

If I could find it again through all of the bullshit I'd repost it. It would be easier for the people who claim to have them all to hand to simply repost them into a single list. Note does this does not mean I won't look, I just don't have the time to do it right now.

 

[werejag]

yeah i understand its a mess and the person who could post updated docs wont and that seems to be a telling issue.

 

[Viewpoint]

A) I'm not defending Dion/NGF and
B) they were never proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be scammers.

....lol