Will the Neo Store carry Atomiswave Hardware and games?

[galfordo]

My friend owes me $5. Like honey, that hyphenated word is; I'm well aware of the hubbub/flaming that typically ensues.

I'm going to ask this in a frank manner to see if this conversation is really worth pursuing to it's end; if a port (omg) comes along that is absolutely, 100% true to the arcade in every way for a mainstream system that you perchance happen to own, would you opt to buy it or a homecart for some hypothetical, prohibitively expensive AES-like system?

I'd get the port. Unfortunately, this doesn't describe reality - so I'll go the AES-type route until I'm convinced otherwise.

 

[blackadde]

Burn. I like how you completely ignored my argument.

EDIT: Hey, I'm on a roll pissing people off; maybe I should make a thread about asking for teh r0mz.

EDIT2:

You're never going to get the exact arcade experience unless you have the arcade hardware and software for the home market.

See, the problem with your argument is that I didn't say "No game has ever been faithfully ported from the arcade to a home system".

Nice.

 

[BlackSpy]

My friend owes me $5. Like honey, that hyphenated word is; I'm well aware of the hubbub/flaming that typically ensues.

I'm going to ask this in a frank manner to see if this conversation is really worth pursuing to it's end; if a port (omg) comes along that is absolutely, 100% true to the arcade in every way for a mainstream system that you perchance happen to own, would you opt to buy it or a homecart for some hypothetical, prohibitively expensive AES-like system?

If it was Neo, then I'd buy the prohibitively expensive version, if it was for a system I don't have any interest in generally then I'd probably buy the port.

 

[syringe]

Look at the neo-store and it's inventory, look at the buying and selling forums, look at the side of the site that has Collections written on it. This forum and site is really oriented towards the people who like to own the arcade hardware and the genuine article. Not to mention that this this site is the official US distribution point for american AES carts.

Just take a few moments to realize this isn't gamefaqs your posting on you should be able to figure it out the answer to your own question.

 

[galfordo]

Burn. I like how you completely ignored my argument.

Your argument was addressed - and found to be idiotic by the majority of the members that responded.

EDIT: Hey, I'm on a roll pissing people off; maybe I should make a thread about asking for teh r0mz.

I had a feeling you were just another rom-defending noob troll - thanks for the confirmation.

 

[galfordo]

Burn. I like how you completely ignored my argument.

EDIT: Hey, I'm on a roll pissing people off; maybe I should make a thread about asking for teh r0mz.

EDIT2:





Nice.

Read it again, Einstein. Try looking for detail this time. The exact arcade experience is not the same as a faithful port. But to morons like you, they probably are, so it's all relative I guess.

 

[blackadde]

I see common sense is but a fleeting dream in your world, my curiosity is satiated. Have fun picking at semantics. Ciao.

p.s. be sure to brag about 0wning me with your superior intellect and steadfast/headstrong belief that ports can and will always be inferior

 

[syringe]

How stupid are you anyway? The point isn't that they'd be technically inferior, but the point that they would be fundamentally different in at least some ways. I.E. not the exact same experience that's found in the arcade you dolt.

 

[galfordo]

I see common sense is but a fleeting dream in your world, my curiosity is satiated. Have fun picking at semantics. Ciao.

p.s. be sure to brag about 0wning me with your superior intellect and steadfast/headstrong belief that ports can and will always be inferior

LOL ... now he's a philosopher. It's only semantics to a mainstreamer - which you are.

And the beauty of my argument is that I don't have to brag, since basically everybody on this thread openly acknowledged the stupidity of your argument - no bragging necessary .

 

[BlackSpy]

I see common sense is but a fleeting dream in your world, my curiosity is satiated. Have fun picking at semantics. Ciao.

p.s. be sure to brag about 0wning me with your superior intellect and steadfast/headstrong belief that ports can and will always be inferior

Again you are holding up ideas like common sense as the norm or as ideals in a place where they really don't have a place. Why do you think common sense is something that people here feel is applicable to their fandom of an archaic and expensive video game system?

Look at the prices, did you ever really think common sense was a big factor in this scene?

 

[Freelancer]

It's odd how the Neostore has suddenly had huge restocks of hardware and games these last few months. Lots of NOS systems, games and accessories at decent prices. Perhaps the folks at the Neostore foresaw the announcement of the Neo's reported death and have decided to clear out everything as quickly as possible?

Check the "Coming Soon" tab in the Neostore. Nothing is listed with the exception of KOF2003. Before that, it was mosly large "restocks" of games and hardware.

Am I reading into things or do others see it my way?

 

[Amano Jacu]

fuck them? fuck the collectors?

well ... this looks like a minty collection to me :


lol ... and you even complained about the spines of your games ...

Uh... You didn't get my point, although I agree I didn't express it well and I was a bit unpolite. What I was meaning is that it looks like some people want an AES-2 console to be created, that features cart-based exact versions of the Atomiswave games. It's obvious such a console would be very exclusive and the games would cost some hundreds of $$$. Now you tell me what are the reasons to prefer that instead of a disc-based console (that already exists, the DC) or ports to the mainstream ones (like PS2); other than this way only few people can afford them and start a market based on mintity and rarity.

About my "collection", I think none of that games costed me more than 50-100$, and most of them are second hand. Most of them are also pretty common. Some are in good condition, others are not. And by the way, you could also have posted the pic of my PS2 CDr games, I only buy the games I really like.

Now I don't recall what you mean with the spines... If you are referring to my MVS games most of them have the spine scratched and I don't care.

EDIT: Oh, I see you are referring to the spines of the DC games. Well, I like more the ones that don't have plain letters, but I didn't stop buying DC games because of this. "OMG, Shenmue has a boring spine, I'm not buying it!". Now THAT would be stupid. For example you said you like more the AES insert of SS0 than the SS5 one, and that's OK. But you wouldn't stop buying it if the US cover was the only one available, if you really wanted to have the game.

 

[Amano Jacu]

Wow, looks like there's a big discussion going on... I must say I agree with blackadde, what he says is perfect common sense. But BlackSpy is also right when he says common sense doesn't apply here in this site, I've also tried to preach that type of common sense here in the past and gave up.

About ports, you are right that all the Neo Geo ports up-to-date are INFERIOR to the real thing. The Neo Geo hardware is very different to any other console. But personally, I think that the Atomiswave can be handled more than OK by the DC (basically is the same hardware), PS2 and also GC and Xbox (but it looks like PS2 will get most of that ports). About loading times, nowadays they are minimal, it's not a NGCD (which by the way is a SNK made console). Also ports usually have more game modes more suited for home use, among other extras. Plues ports are much cheaper and have amjor market, so they are actually profitable.

About the "true arcade experience at home", well, sorry to wake you up but I don't see the AES being arcade perfect. It's not the same playing in a TV with the controller in your lap that with an arcade cabinet in an actual arcade place. So the only true arcade experience is getting a cab (you would still miss the atmosphere, though). In my case, as much as I like arcade games, I prefer to play them at my home in a console-like environment.

About making a cart-based perfect Atomiswave, I still don't see it being profitable. If you really want it, just buy the actual arcade board, it's pretty easy to use it at home (I'm actually considering buying one), so you just use the arcade carts. By the way, it wouldn't make sense to release a home console that used the very same carts as the arcade, as that way arcade operators could get the "cheaper" home versions. Just think why SNK made the MVS and AES games being incompatible, although in the end actually people wanted to do it the other way round (MVS games at home).

 

[supergoose]

Now you tell me what are the reasons to prefer that instead of a disc-based console (that already exists, the DC) or ports to the mainstream ones (like PS2); other than this way only few people can afford them and start a market based on mintity and rarity.

i own a dc, but i'd still prefer carts. why? i don't like systems with moving parts, cause they can break easily.
that said ... i had to return my first dc, when it stopped working one day.
dirty lenses and scratched discs just aren't my cup of tea.

About my "collection", I think none of that games costed me more than 50-100$, and most of them are second hand. Most of them are also pretty common. Some are in good condition, others are not.

i mean ... one could collect poo in zip bags. it really doesn't matter what you collect as long as there is a certain interest in getting more of that stuff.

an other thing that you often seem to forget is that there are lots of ngh games that are $100 or less.
only 5 of my 21 home carts were more than $100 with matrimelle being the most expensive. $180 shipped.

For example you said you like more the AES insert of SS0 than the SS5 one, and that's OK. But you wouldn't stop buying it if the US cover was the only one available, if you really wanted to have the game.

i just like it better, but i decided to not buy any more us carts anyway.
if the us cover was the only one? then i'd just buy the mvs cart.

 

[Amano Jacu]

i own a dc, but i'd still prefer carts. why? i don't like systems with moving parts, cause they can break easily.
that said ... i had to return my first dc, when it stopped working one day.
dirty lenses and scratched discs just aren't my cup of tea.

Well, maybe I'm just lucky, but I've never had a problem with my CD-based consoles (and I have most of them) nor a CD game has stopped working. However, for example my Samurai Shodown 4 MVS cart just stopped working properly the other day (shows some garbled sprites), and sometimes I have a hard time getting MVS games to fit in the slot and work OK. Of course it is caused by the fact that most of this carts have been heavily used in the arcade market.

i mean ... one could collect poo in zip bags. it really doesn't matter what you collect as long as there is a certain interest in getting more of that stuff.

an other thing that you often seem to forget is that there are lots of ngh games that are $100 or less.
only 5 of my 21 home carts were more than $100 with matrimelle being the most expensive. $180 shipped.

You are right, what I come to criticize is people that buy games just for "collecting"purposes, and hardly ever play it, plus get anal about their condition. I have no problem in people spending 300$ in the last AES game, as I am sure they will play the hell out of them. On the end, they have every right to buy whatever thay want and use it in any way.

i just like it better, but i decided to not buy any more us carts anyway.
if the us cover was the only one? then i'd just buy the mvs cart.

Oh well, as I said if I really wanted a game in a specific format I would get it regardless on how ugly is the insert, spine, etc. If more than one version is available for the same price I would get the one I liked the most. In general I like more English games because I don't read Japanese.

 

[SNKJorge]

fuck them? fuck the collectors?

well ... this looks like a minty collection to me :


lol ... and you even complained about the spines of your games ...

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0WN4G3

 

[galfordo]

About the "true arcade experience at home", well, sorry to wake you up but I don't see the AES being arcade perfect. It's not the same playing in a TV with the controller in your lap that with an arcade cabinet in an actual arcade place. So the only true arcade experience is getting a cab (you would still miss the atmosphere, though). In my case, as much as I like arcade games, I prefer to play them at my home in a console-like environment.

Yeah, if you want to get technical, then nothing is the same as playing the cab in the arcade. However, the code on the AES cart is identical to its MVS counterpart. The code is not ported - it's the exact same thing. If you get the right TV (RGB), then you're getting a virtually identical game. The controller? You can get a controller that's identical to those in the arcade (check out massystems.com). Don't put it in your lap if you don't want to - rig it up however you want.

About making a cart-based perfect Atomiswave, I still don't see it being profitable. If you really want it, just buy the actual arcade board, it's pretty easy to use it at home (I'm actually considering buying one), so you just use the arcade carts. By the way, it wouldn't make sense to release a home console that used the very same carts as the arcade, as that way arcade operators could get the "cheaper" home versions. Just think why SNK made the MVS and AES games being incompatible, although in the end actually people wanted to do it the other way round (MVS games at home).

I probably will end up buying an arcade board, if it comes down to it. I'm just saying that a professionally done console system that could be played out of the box would be nice.

Due to the fact that making an Atomiswave console would be essentially repacking the guts into a prettier package - there would be basically no R & D costs. Even with the small fan base of the NGH system, I believe that profit could be made in such a situation. PS2 type profit - no, but Sammy should take it where they can get it.

As for home versions of Atomiswave games - this would basically the same thing. Sammy could simply repackage the arcade cartridge with a sturdier case and an instruction booklet like the NGH carts have. Use the exact same cartridge and charge the exact same price for arcade and home versions, but just have slightly more "home friendly" packaging for the home version - that's my solution to that problem.

 

[galfordo]

Well, maybe I'm just lucky, but I've never had a problem with my CD-based consoles (and I have most of them) nor a CD game has stopped working. However, for example my Samurai Shodown 4 MVS cart just stopped working properly the other day (shows some garbled sprites), and sometimes I have a hard time getting MVS games to fit in the slot and work OK. Of course it is caused by the fact that most of this carts have been heavily used in the arcade market.

Ask any engineer and he'll tell you - any machine that contains moving parts will, in general, break down faster than one that doesn't contain them. The newer consoles just aren't as robust as the neo, and optical media just isn't as tough as carts.

 

[Amano Jacu]

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0WN4G3

Look who's talking, the one that wants to upgrade his "near-mint" games to "mint", and doesn't like CD games without the spine-card...

 

[GunstarHeroblack]

Ask any engineer and he'll tell you - any machine that contains moving parts will, in general, break down faster than one that doesn't contain them. The newer consoles just aren't as robust as the neo, and optical media just isn't as tough as carts.

very true.....Hmnn I guess it comes down to cutting costs-

bringing the "true"arcade experience home in the least expensive way....and cd/dvd format seems to be the solution-

for those who cant afford the Aes carts.......... with the announcement of the "future"2004 titles on Atomiswave hardware, it also looks like this will be the end of the line for the Aging Neo-

 

[SNKJorge]

Look who's talking, the one that wants to upgrade his "near-mint" games to "mint", and doesn't like CD games without the spine-card...

I am a collector, I admit, and a very picky one.
I actually play my games though, so half collector?

 

[Kristian Meller]

In the grand scheme of things, you are.

Hmm.

No!

As I said, just a few posts over yours, I want the same as Galfordo.

 

[Kristian Meller]

I'd get the port. Unfortunately, this doesn't describe reality - so I'll go the AES-type route until I'm convinced otherwise.

SvC (better in a lot of ways) and MS3 (higher resolution, plus you get teh extra modez) on the PS2 already exist.

But then of course you'd have to own a chipped PS2 (if you're american or european) and something along the lines of the Namco Stick...

 

[Dougdesensi]

To the Fucking Topic what does 3 pages of Ports & Consoles have to do with the Fucking Topic????? The Fucking Neo is DEAD so will the NEO-STORE carry the MOBO or the Carts of Sammy Atomis Wave Period

 

[tbogard99]

I guess Shawn doesn't know at this point or is at least not prepared to say anything yet. I hope the Neo Store does stick around and can offer us this new generation of SNK/P arcade software.