Why Sony, why?

[terry.330]

I mean almost all retail CDs still work, I'm pretty sure Blu-ray discs will be fine at least a couple decades after we're all dead. I think the conservative estimate on BDs is something like 80 years but whatever.

I'd like a disc drive considering the price and also to be able to play PS4 games that I already own physically, which I purchased because they were cheaper than buying digitally. I'm not about to re-buy a bunch of games digitally because Sony wants to cheap out on manufacturing and parts by removing the disc drive, raise the price and simultaneously push people to a digital only market. Even some PS5 games are cheaper to buy physical than digitally, Bomb Rush Cyber Funk is less than $20 for the disc but the digital is still $40.

Letting the companies raise the price while removing key features of their product is how in just a couple years we end up with a digital only market where they never substantially price drop or put anything on sale because the consumer doesn't have any other option. Shit, Nintendo already does this with their physical and digital games and every other company would too if they could get away with it.

It's not even really about the discs, it's about these shitty companies telling the people that give them unbelievable amounts of money "Fuck you, this is what you're going to get and you're going to like it". That's how you end up with Apple.

 

[Moob Butter]

It's not even really about the discs, it's about these shitty companies telling the people that give them unbelievable amounts of money "Fuck you, this is what you're going to get and you're going to like it". That's how you end up with Apple.

True.

Alot of people that could drop $700 on a console are starting to grow or already have grey pubes. They’ve typically seen companies do shitty things before and aren’t as likely to be fooled into buying something because of FOMO if the value proposition isn’t there.

$500 give or take adjusted for inflation has been the ballpark for a new piece of cutting edge console kit for a few generations now. Sony is experimenting with a $700 price while locking them into a e-shop system to see if the consumers will bite, I think Sony might be in for a rare surprise and sales will fall far behind what the PS4 Pro achieved.

 

[Moob Butter]

The pro was $517 adjusted...

Also the PS5 Pro is $699 in the USA, and £699 in the UK.

£699 is $921 as of this morning. I’m guessing you’ll say that’s a pro consumer move from Sony as well since us in the UK are always complaining about having too much money in our pockets and nothing to spend it on.

 

[Lagduf]

They taking the Apple approach to hardware design. Remove everything and make them pay for it.
They might as well remove all the ports and make you buy a giant adapter do you can use your external drive.

The Mac Minis are really Apples best value for the money product, but yeah lack of ports suck.

 

[kernow]

What ports do you need nowadays? it's almost 2025
Let me guess, you still require a headphone jack in your smartphone

 

[terry.330]

What ports do you need nowadays? it's almost 2025
Let me guess, you still require a headphone jack in your smartphone

That might be the stupidest thing you've ever posted.

Even more stupid than admitting you own limited edition pants.

 

[kernow]

I'm asking, what and how many ports do you need? maybe one USBC and one A if you can be bothered.

 

[Dr Shroom]

PS5 has no games, what do you need a Pro for anyway?

 

[kernow]

It has 737 games, what are you on about

 

[Viewpoint]

PS5 has no games, what do you need a Pro for anyway?

I mean Astrobot is legit one of the 1st PS5 exclusive games I'm really enjoying. Granted one game so yeah... lol

 

[kernow]

I'm not sure what the word processor squad is playing - apart from new console ports of games that came out 6yrs ago, but now with denuvo (woo)

 

[BeefJerky]

I will say, I was pretty close to buying a cheapo PS4 off Facebook market just to play Ghost of Tsushima. Glad I waited a few years to get it on PC (for less than retail, thank you Steam sale). Looks amazing in 4k on high graphics settings. Best part is I didn't have to shell out a couple hundred bucks to junk up my living room with yet another console. I have too many of them as is.

Spoiler:

After a few days of playing I finally got around to liberating Castle Kaneda. I wasn't expecting Ryuzo's betrayal. 10/10 story. 6/10 gameplay, it's literally the exact same mechanics as every other Sony open world game. Why would I buy a PS4 or PS5 for this shit if they're eventually coming to PC anyways? I already have the gaming PC, I haven't owned a Playstation since PS3, and that gen of gaming got old in a hurry.

EDIT: Kern, for a guy that claims to play video games once a year you sure seem hellbent on this "oh PC just got this but it was on console 6 years ago", who gives a shit? Most of us are old and patient and don't need to play the new shit right when it comes out. If I'm gonna blow $700 on video game shit, it will be on an AoF3 homecart, not a PS5 Pro.

 

[kernow]

Well yeah same but I have AOF3 already, I just find it funny people are balking at the price when they'll happily pay that for just a GPU, like it's 2003. No-ones said they could build anything that performs near for the price either.

 

[Average Joe]

Letting the companies raise the price while removing key features of their product is how in just a couple years we end up with a digital only market where they never substantially price drop or put anything on sale because the consumer doesn't have any other option. Shit, Nintendo already does this with their physical and digital games and every other company would too if they could get away with it.

I'm in no way arguing against your points, but I'm not sold on this being an issue.

You're right about first party Nintendo digital games not dropping and I'm unsure of how true that is for MS/Sony, but the digital marketplace still seems to be in the direction of "a ton of games are dirt cheap at the right time or after the right amount of time passes".

But I also don't know how those prices are set--is it the respective owner of the digital store(s) or do the developers have any say in it?

 

[BeefJerky]

Well yeah same but I have AOF3 already, I just find it funny people are balking at the price when they'll happily pay that for just a GPU, like it's 2003. No-ones said they could build anything that performs near for the price either.

I get what you're saying, but $700 towards a new GPU feels like a better waste of money than a PS5 Pro. Just my feelings on it. Mind you, you don't need the latest and greatest GeForce RTX 4090 to enjoy games in high quality, the 3060Ti I bought for <$500 three years ago is performing just fine, and I'm not regretting my full gaming PC retard mode either. I'd definitely have a PS4 or PS5 if Sony weren't slowly but surely releasing their exclusives to PC. Just that I'll inevitably be able to enjoy TLOU2 and (hopefully) Bloodbourne without yet another console hooked up to my entertainment center. Already have the PC, Neo, Switch, SFC, and MD hooked up. XBox and Wii U are in a box somewhere, and holy shit, that is way more g00b shit in my living room than I ever wanted...

EDIT: The Playstation exclusives I wanted to play have been steadily released to PC/Steam the last few years.

 

[terry.330]

I'm asking, what and how many ports do you need? maybe one USBC and one A if you can be bothered.

Gee I don't know maybe some people actually do things like music production and digital art that require multiple external devices. Just because you don't use things doesn't mean there aren't a ton of people who actually do.

 

[terry.330]

I'm in no way arguing against your points, but I'm not sold on this being an issue.

You're right about first party Nintendo digital games not dropping and I'm unsure of how true that is for MS/Sony, but the digital marketplace still seems to be in the direction of "a ton of games are dirt cheap at the right time or after the right amount of time passes".

But I also don't know how those prices are set--is it the respective owner of the digital store(s) or do the developers have any say in it?

I think it's mostly up to the publishers and that's part of the the problem, a majority the games that are cheaper or become really cheap quickly are from smaller companies, the ones who actually deserve and need the money. They have to do that in order to survive. Or they're big games that flopped and the publishers have completely written off. Like Titanfall 2 for $4. Obviously that's not always the case but more often then not it's one or the other.

I was looking on PSN last night and a bundle for Red Dead Redemption 1&2 ON SALE is $60 (it's normally $100 lol) for games that are 14 and 6 years old. That doesn't make sense any way to slice it.

I don't know what exactly the logic is behind it all but I do know I don't trust any of these big companies to do the right things and I sure as hell don't want them to be able to completely dictate their own markets which is what they are aiming towards.

 

[kernow]

Gee I don't know maybe some people actually do things like music production and digital art that require multiple external devices. Just because you don't use things doesn't mean there aren't a ton of people who actually do.

And people are gaming on these things too
I see

 

[Average Joe]

I sure as hell don't want them to be able to completely dictate their own markets which is what they are aiming towards.

 

[terry.330]

And people are gaming on these things too
I see

Lagduf and Sneth were talking about Apple removing ports and you posted right under that asking why people need ports without being specific or quoting anything. What did you think people were going to assume you were talking about ya dingus?

Doesn't matter though since you just argue in circles with the same 3 answers to everything anyway.

 

[kernow]

We're on a forum for a console that cost more than a ps5 pro on launch, I don't need any other arguments.

$700 is not cheap, but it's not like it hasn't happened before, probably still being sold for a loss. What did people want .. $499 lol

If people are using their word processor/ daw for gaming I guess this means they're sitting at a desk. Interesting

 

[kernow]

With their lil mouse pad and light up keyboard
And 24" monitor in 1080p fuck yea it's 2006

 

[kernow]

"but but you can plug the pc into your main TV you know!"

With my lil tea tray on my lap waiting for windows to boot. It's my htpc! I run Plex on it too!
It's 2006 I've got an htpc

 

[kernow]

Guys anyone know why my 6yr old console port won't run smoothly where's the config

 

[kernow]

Using an Xbox pad what in the Cheeto stains