Norton wouldn't change his mind on these issues if a terrorist blew up his family.
His brain is like a mile thick brick wall.
His brain is like a mile thick brick wall.
Who you going to vote for between Trump and Hillary?
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DNSDies
I LOVE HILLARY CLINTON!
No.
If you want to immigrate smoothly you should need the following:
1) Mastery of the language in both oral and written forms equal to the highest level of education the country provides
2) Enough funds to cover your cost of living for 6 months
3) The ability to fully repay the costs of your immigration within a 3 year period
4) A skill, trade, or talent that is unique or of value to the country OR a college level Bachelor's degree in a STEM field, OR a Masters level degree in any other field.
5) Be able to pass a background check (no results is not a valid background check, your identity must be valid and show a minimum of 2 years of stable education/training/work experience)
6) A FICO Credit Score of 650 or more (or a financial record from your previous country of residence showing good habits)
7) A job prospect with an employer that will sponsor you for no less than 3 years.
8) To pass a citizenship exam at the end of those 3 years with a level of proficiency not less than the highest level of High School education required in your state of sponsorship
9) To obey the laws of the country with no criminal convictions of a misdemeanor or higher on your record at the end of 3 years.
These are "difficult" but by no means impossible to attain for even the most basic person.
I'll take that as a compliment and testament to my fortitude.
Most people try to argue "You wouldn't be for xxx if yyy happened to a member of your family" and I would like to think them wrong. I would like to think that I would not allow personal experiences to color my quest for truth, justice and rationality.
Immigrants, I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them!
So in other words, Asian. Do you as a natural born citizen meet all those theoretical requirements?
Most Asian immigrants don't have all that either.
So if some Jihadist blew up your family, you'd just shrug it off and not let it effect your resolve?
And the ones that do are likely from India, China, Japan, or Korea.
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...are you suggesting the US is a developing nation that needs more unskilled labor?
Actually, I meant to type developed. Thanks for noticing the error.
DNSDies
I LOVE HILLARY CLINTON!
I don't have to because I am a natural born citizen of this country.
But:
1) I am a natural born citizen, my mastery of the language matches the same as the rest of the state educated populace at minimum.
2) I have the safety net of a natural born family to support me, so this is moot.
3) There is no cost for my upbringing, it was carried by my parents through taxes
4) I have a college degree in a STEM field, but as a natural born citizen, this doesn't apply to me.
5) My job requires me to maintain a spotless FBI/DOJ clearance
6) My credit score was enough to buy a house
7) I have been gainfully employed for over 10 years
8) My state mandated education met the requirements of a citizenship exam
9) See 6.
These are not strict requirements compared to any other high HDI country. They're rather simple to meet. The most difficult one is having 6 months of living expenses saved up for the immigration and finding a job and sponsor while in a foreign country.
So you don't have to meet your own stringent requirements because you're already American right? And the American dream only applies to people whom have already met said requirements, or are already citizens?
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DNSDies
I LOVE HILLARY CLINTON!
These requirements are not stringent in the least.
And, yes, I was born in this country to parents who were born in this country. I am a citizen by virtue of my birth, and I have contributed taxes my entire adult life and my parents have paid taxes on every aspect of my raising. My dues are paid, my place is secure.
If you want in, you need to prove first that you will not be a drain on this country and you are worth taking in as opposed to the thousands of others who will GLADLY take your place that DO meet those requirements.
This is no different from a job interview. Get good or get out of the way, there are people behind you.
And, I actually DO meet those requirements I stated except for the 6 months living expenses in liquid assets.
If I were hard pressed, I could sell my game collection and easily get enough to live comfortably for the next 5 years.
Also, the "American Dream" can apply to anyone, you don't need to be in America or an American Citizen to pursue it. Any democratic nation with equality of opportunity and social mobility is applicable.
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You're a fool.
DNSDies
I LOVE HILLARY CLINTON!
My father's side were purebred Scottish, and immigrated legally during my grandfather's generation. My father was born in the USA.
My mother's side was some unknown admixture of Canadian/french and Native American.
Neither Protestant, nor very much Anglo Saxon. Catholic and Celt on my father's side.
Pretty white though. The native american in my family is from more than 4 generations ago.
Why are you even sending me this? You don't even know what my stance is on the situation, and I know you don't because I don't even know.
All I know is that there is no black and white, just giant buckets of unpleasant grey, and anyone who claims to have exact answers to a situation as complex as what has happened in Europe over the last few years is an idiot and it's incredibly easy to show them as such.
To those who think fuck them all, I say have some compassion. You don't have some god given right to have been born into a comparatively easy life and a knock in your own living standards to help out others in need should be a price worth paying. I know most of you would do it on an individual basis, if someone turned up in genuine need at your home, so why not on a larger scale?
To those who think a total free for all, maybe one day society will be there, but we're far, far from that right now. Just simple economics won't allow it, housing, services etc cannot move as quickly as people can, so it needs to be a gradual process. And people will always exploit unquestioning generosity as a weakness.
MuppeT
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That is life. Fuck compassion when it comes to swarms of uneducated savages coming by the thousands. Not to integrate but to make their mini communities in OUR countries and live by their OLD ways.
They don't show even a tat of ambition to change their ways and become a decent part of society. Other middle eastern countries don't even want them.
Why are those so called "refugees" not going to parts of Europe where there is no free stuff and you have to work in order to put food on the table? Why do they swarm ONLY the countries with welfare systems?
Stevenk you are acting like a mindless leftist social justice warrior that doesn't see further than their own nose. Trying to validate and convince yourself that you are a better human being for all the bad reasons.
That's a bit harsh coming from you, Skullz. Maybe you should tap dance on back to Moldova, or whatever 3rd world eastern Euro shithole you're from.
This I actually agree with.
But now you're off the rails.
People come to the United States so that they can achieve those things. For a long time, that's what this country was about.
Yeah - that immigration list is basically made for Western Europe - the only people who would qualify are rich white people and we have enough of those. Do you really want Kristin Meller and Rachel Maddow in the same zip code?
I agree it should require effort and some type of proven track record, but a FICO score and Bachelor's Degree (or equivalent) for someone emigrating from Nigeria or similar is silliness. This is for immigration only of course, not to be confused with granting refugee status - those are very different levels and standards.
I've often wondered why we don't embrace large-scale New Deal type of programs for the unemployed and immigrant communities. Rather than handout programs that result in zero work, zero motivation and satisfaction for the person receiving the assistance, and for every person in genuine need - we see someone abusing the system - put the folks to work on interstate transportation or similar projects. There is no reason everyone who wants to work (and is able to work) isn't able to be offered work - the money is already there, why not put it toward something productive. It's a win-win-win. The workers have sense of accomplishment, the taxpayers paying for the work see results, and unemployment is gone (as are the byproducts of those with too much idle time).
Of course there are some who simply can't work due to medical condition - that is a separate issue entirely.
I agree it should require effort and some type of proven track record, but a FICO score and Bachelor's Degree (or equivalent) for someone emigrating from Nigeria or similar is silliness. This is for immigration only of course, not to be confused with granting refugee status - those are very different levels and standards.
I've often wondered why we don't embrace large-scale New Deal type of programs for the unemployed and immigrant communities. Rather than handout programs that result in zero work, zero motivation and satisfaction for the person receiving the assistance, and for every person in genuine need - we see someone abusing the system - put the folks to work on interstate transportation or similar projects. There is no reason everyone who wants to work (and is able to work) isn't able to be offered work - the money is already there, why not put it toward something productive. It's a win-win-win. The workers have sense of accomplishment, the taxpayers paying for the work see results, and unemployment is gone (as are the byproducts of those with too much idle time).
Of course there are some who simply can't work due to medical condition - that is a separate issue entirely.
Tanooki
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Because it's easier to get a moron to vote for you if you give them a freebie, than to give one an honest days pay if they have to work for it. That's how the left so greatly games the idiot pool of the US to keep getting re-elected in various districts around the US. Sure they make fun of large non-coastal regions of the US, but those same so called redneck areas are a lot of blue collar white working class types who may just get by but they damn well work for it. Then you have the opposite who get SNAP cards, welfare checks, free phones, and other bullshit just for staying under a federally chosen poverty level so they're encouraged to stay poor and on their ass to live fairly well than work hard and maybe get back to that level or better. There's just no incentive.
Anecdote is not evidence young padawan.