Whats up with the Hatred toward anything popular?

[SPINMASTER X]

Why is it that people have this hatred for anything that has become popular or mainstream. As much as I really don't wanna say this(but i have to), i've found like 80% of Neo/SNK fans to be this way. Some of you would rather play a stinkin ass Legend of Success Joe cart then touch any Capcom game. What the hell is up with that??? Squaresoft, Tekken, Street Fighter, PS2, Xbox(Its understandable), 3d graphics are all some kind of "evil" to some of you or something.

I remember I met this one guy and he was the most biased SNK fan I had ever met, I mean this guy thought Capcom was less than Dog Crap. One day he mentioned to me He was a huge tekken fan because the character designs, music and storyline were awesome like SNK's games. When he said that I thought it was kinda logical for him to like that series. However once I started to be around more Neo/SNK fans i started to find almost all of them hating anything to do with Tekken and liking VF more. Now since i had talked to that guy i would have expected SNK fans to hate VF with a vengence because the Char designs aren't so great and the music isn't what i'd think an SNK fan would like.

Upon closer inspection I found that alot of them weren't really VF fans but instead they praised it because it was underrated in the West. Now if that isn't shallow I don't know what is.

This stuff also stretches to alot of other things. What is ya'lls input on this?

 

[neobuyer]

Alot of people that are 'into' SNK/Neo Geo dislike Capcom stuff because the feel the Neo and it's games are the underdog (Since everybody goes nuts for Capcom stuff). They develop a sort of brand 'loyalty' to SNK (Much the same way people used to for either Sega or Nintendo back in the 16 bit days).

However, I am sometimes turned of by things that gain massive, mainstream popularity because people in general (i.e.: the masses) have such monumentally bad taste that it's simply an intellectual turn off to share any kind of admiration for anything with them.

And people DO have bad taste. Look at the top 10 Games, the top 10 TV shows, the Billboard top 100. People are in love with shit that SUCKS.

Whatever organ in their brains that regulated good taste has atrophied to the point that they would rather listen to Creed than The Strokes. They'd rather watch 'Will and Grace' than 'The Tick'.

Just watch primetime TV. Listen to like, ANY radio station.The top grossing movie of all time is 'Titanic' for Christsakes.

So yeah, sometimes being popular has it's downsides.

 

[Galford Forever]

I'm with you on this one Spinmaster. I used to be into punk and ska. I still like the music, but the attitude of the people bothers me. As soon as a good band starting gaining attention, and heave forbid, making money people would call them "sell-outs" and shun them. It was all about who listened to the most obscure stuff.

That turned me off to Gamefan magazine as well. I felt that they were elitist and disliked anything if it was popular. They too only sought out the most obscure stuff in what seemed an attempt to be more "harcore" than anyone else. Sadly, their magazine was one of the best... if it weren't for their elitism.

The Neo scene certainly has that. I'm SNK brand-loyal as well, and there's definitely something to be said for the next gen systems not being all they could. Some high-profile games are nothing but movies if you ask me. I hate the elitism too. I was all happy to find a group of guys who are smart, and know gaming well. It's a refreshing change of pace from gamefaqs or the gamespot message boards. I just hope that what I consider to be "poor sportsmanship" that pervades this hobby doesn't turn me away from it .

 

[achika]

People will always hate something, but that's their personnal preference. If people want to join the masses and join in the hate, that's their preference too.

I like Capcom, but I'm not going to go all ga-ga over their stuff and start buying everything in site. I've got a few games and that's enough. Likewise, I'm not really into 3D fighters, so I've never understood the calling of Virtua Fighter and Tekken.

 

[Scalpeur]

I hate all the tekens. The gameplay is horible! And I can to say that since I'have played to these games!
I played a long time to all the street fighters and more I would say I also played to any other capcom fighting games... And they all suck or most of them .
Only Capcom vs SNK 2 seems to have any interesting "things" I think the 4 will be... more than playable would say good.. I hope .

About SNK, I would say there is something different in the snk games... something I can't explain and something else I could... if I would have more time to explain that. But, since I've already explain that to many many other people I'm a little bite bored with this.
Just know that many of the people I met , never watch to fighting video games the same way they do before I talked to them.
Of course this concerns only the fighting games! For my part I'm a great fan of Metal gear, from the nes to the ps2 and a few other games I love (on PC)... but about fighting games, snk are the best... the other are nothing compared to snk!

 

[Liquid Snake]

I like both Capcom & SNK

Capcom has the "best" control, I mean the joystick movement. All special moves are very easy to perform.

SNK has the "best" graphic (Metal Slug 3, Shock Troopers, Real Bout Special....) but control is a bit too difficult to perform in some special moves in Fatal Fury 3, Real Bout, etc.

 

[FeelGood]

general rant -

I just like SNK. That's why I am here. Some other companies can make good games, but this isn't the place to discuss that. It's not a general gaming forum. Gamefaqs is good for that, or IGN, or srk, or ON.com, or Liberation Army.

But this place is called neo-geo.com and if you want to talk about everything but Neo Geo games, you're in the wrong place. Don't mention popular games outside SNK's publication because there are better places for it. Just as there are better places to talk about MS4 romz.

A couple of issues, not necessarily directed at you, but at the forums in general.

A) the Gameplay forum does not mean general gaming gameplay forum - let's keep it to the neo geo.

b) the selling forum has too many non-neo stuff. A couple items here and there is fine, but there's really too much crap in there. Be like me and put a link in your sig file to all the stuff your selling, and stop spamming the selling forums with non-neo stuff.

c) the warroom is in rehab, after a very long period of complete non-neo discussion by people who probably didn't even give a shit about the neo to begin with. These people may still be here, lurking, waiting to jump in on some discussion as long as it doesn't partain to the neo geo.

d) too many dumb shit trolls looking to spark some tension by spouting crap about such and such rom release.

e) people who think SS4 is either the best or second best game in the series should be rounded up, shaved, and sterilized.

[ April 17, 2002: Message edited by: EvilWasabi ]</p>

 

[Liquid Snake]

SNK used to have some former Capcom programmers to work for them (samurai shodown)

Capcom hires SNK #1 artist Shinkiro to work for them

Anyway, SNK & Capcom are two of the best companies in video game industry.

Of course Namco, Konami, Technosoft and others are my favorites too......

Oh, I almost forgot that this is SNK site.

 

[Galford Forever]

Originally posted by Liquid Snake:
<strong>SNK used to have some former Capcom programmers to work for them (samurai shodown)

Capcom hires SNK #1 artist Shinkiro to work for them

Anyway, SNK & Capcom are two of the best companies in video game industry.

Of course Namco, Konami, Technosoft and others are my favorites too......

Oh, I almost forgot that this is SNK site.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think he's not complaining so much about which is better, SNK or Capcom, but about the "eltist" attitude on the boards and the general bickering. Perhaps I'm wrong though (wouldn't be the first time, and won't be the last ).

 

[Crissaegrim]

I'm with you Spinmaster X. I just don't get why people have to bash their favorite whatever's competition. When I was a kid, I loved all things Capcom, especially SF II. When the Neo came out I thought it was the coolest idea ever, the actual arcade hardware at home, but I hated SNK for ripping off SF. I still think that the first batch of fighters were rip offs untill Sam Shodown.

Then after a few years later Capcom started ripping off SNK, then I heard about employees switching back and forth between companies and I thought that could explain all the similarities.

Finally I just thought it was so stupid to hate SNK just because I liked Capcom. Both companies are top of line and both have produced good and bad. I really wanted to like SNK, but it took along time to get over that initial rip-off image I had of them. I don't know, maybe it's just a childhood thing. Good games are good games.

 

[Comrade Porn King Mikhail]

Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>e) people who think SS4 is either the best or second best game in the series should be rounded up, shaved, and sterilized.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's just plain messed up, man. How is a Gulf War vet such as myself supposed to play SS1 or SS2 when I only have one working finger left on my right hand? The only way for me to execute a fierce slash or roundhouse is to smack what remains of my rotten gangrene infested palm onto the control panel and hope that I pull it off.

 

[NeoFreakWolf]

The comparesson of SNK to Capcom is like Macintosh to Microsoft. Both are fine, just one is more difficulty than the other. Tekken sucks, I'm sorry but it's just a bad game. I played 4 last week, and after winning the first round, I was killed. The control is the worst I've ever seen, not even working with just a basic punch/kick combo gets you anywhere with these games, at least SNK can boast that. And I agree that games are pretty much becoming movies now, but unless it's Metal Gear Solid why bother. You see this is what I mean when big game corporrations should take a step back when making games and consider the fun factor more than the all around look of it. Take Jet Set Radeo for example, fun game, good control, easy to get into, and it still looks good for not being 3D, and now with a promise of a Robotech game that has the same combination as the before mentioned Jet Set Radeo, the skies don't look as dark and polygonal for me these days. Games should be fun, not frustrating and I think game developers are starting to see that, so make your own choices, but choose wisely, because a wrong choice could end in an "I told you so" for bitching about it.
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[SerialExperiments]

Interesting story.....about hardcore vs. mainstream.... I have this friend...wrst taste in games ever( i'n my opinion) believes that mario bros. 3 on NES was the high water mark of all gaming...and he's 17! Ok he plays one 2-d fighter...Guilty Gear X with me the first day I gets it....first off sez "whats this shit super Nintendo graffix"... We then argue and he honestly believes tekken for PS1 has much better graffix and GG X sucks becuase.....quote " it has gay fireballs and shit"...i will never understand this how poeple lump 2-d into all the same...infact 80 percent of my friends think tekken one looks better then GGX and also that it plays better becuase you can run around.....LOL...guilty gear isn't the most technical but jesus how are poeple so blind!

this has been a pointless rant....please administer the shock treatment.... now...

 

[Reno Garcia]

Blah, I like the games that are fun and good to play, I play many fighting games and least one ocasion or course many of them, in the case of Tekken are play in the PS many or more good times to dislike them,I more that I learn new tricks and moves, but the case they are games with more publicity and less, but the true view of the game is the playing with it, I dislike the stupid countering-one button-defence of DOA, the insanity-crappiness control of the joystic and difficult of the old games of SNK, the crapiest and gayistic style of defence of Capcom Fighting games (specially shotos scrubs) and the low speed and bad graphics of Dragon Ball series they are BAD,MORE BAD), the boss damage include in the actual roster in many fighting games and the ultra-cheesy,bastard bosses of KOF2K1, they are the things that I hate.

 

[FeelGood]

Originally posted by Kiselgof:
<strong>

That's just plain messed up, man. How is a Gulf War vet such as myself supposed to play SS1 or SS2 when I only have one working finger left on my right hand? The only way for me to execute a fierce slash or roundhouse is to smack what remains of my rotten gangrene infested palm onto the control panel and hope that I pull it off.</strong><hr></blockquote>

play goofy handed. right hand on the stick, left hand crosses over to control buttons.

I hope that was a joke anyways, as noted by the laughing emoticon tagged onto the post...
<img src="graemlins/eek2.gif" border="0" alt="[Eek 2]" />

 

[BigFred]

Originally posted by Crissaegrim:
<strong>I'm with you Spinmaster X. I just don't get why people have to bash their favorite whatever's competition. When I was a kid, I loved all things Capcom, especially SF II. When the Neo came out I thought it was the coolest idea ever, the actual arcade hardware at home, but I hated SNK for ripping off SF. I still think that the first batch of fighters were rip offs untill Sam Shodown.

Then after a few years later Capcom started ripping off SNK, then I heard about employees switching back and forth between companies and I thought that could explain all the similarities.

Finally I just thought it was so stupid to hate SNK just because I liked Capcom. Both companies are top of line and both have produced good and bad. I really wanted to like SNK, but it took along time to get over that initial rip-off image I had of them. I don't know, maybe it's just a childhood thing. Good games are good games.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think fatal fury was the first fighting game designed by SNK and it was nothing like street fighter. But if you are comparing SF to Art of Fighting then you may be right. Ryo's attacks were too much like Ryus. But the gameplay in SNK fighters has always been different. You could sidestep in fatal fury. You were limited to the amount of special moves you could perform in Art of Fighting. You had weapons in Samurai Showdown.

In any case I prefer SNK but I still play Capcom and yes I play Tekken. Mostly Tekken Tag, anybody who knew anything about Tekken 4 would tell you that Jin has the cheapest Just Frame in the game. In other words anybody who picks Jin in Tekken 4 usually wins. Why people would be comparing a realistic 3D fighter to higly animated unrealistic 2D games I'll never know.

 

[Comrade Porn King Mikhail]

Originally posted by EvilWasabi:
<strong>play goofy handed. right hand on the stick, left hand crosses over to control buttons.

I hope that was a joke anyways, as noted by the laughing emoticon tagged onto the post...
<img src="graemlins/eek2.gif" border="0" alt="[Eek 2]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Hmmm...and discover that I may actually have to purchase SS2??? Never!

 

[Verbatum]

False freedom my friends. False freedom.

[ April 18, 2002: Message edited by: Verbatum ]</p>

 

[NeoFreakWolf]

"Why people would be comparing a realistic 3D fighter to higly animated unrealistic 2D games I'll never know".[/QB][/QUOTE]

You reallize that all fighting games are unrealistic right, that the idea of a knock down drag out happening on the streets of say downrown Wichita is about as riddiculous as throwing a fireball at someone or having lightning come off of your fist when you hit someone. That's the reason why we play games like this, it's because none of us can throw a fireball in real life, it's because they make us feel like heros in our onw little worlds, that we can beat anybody and do anything. Real life fighting is in no way glamourous at all, take it from somebody who knows. In a real life fight you're to busy thinking about how bad the other guy is going to mess you up, and how much it's going to hurt. So the comparison to video gam realizim is really kind of foolish, don't you hink?
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[Criterionradiohead]

Originally posted by neobuyer:
<strong>
However, I am sometimes turned of by things that gain massive, mainstream popularity because people in general (i.e.: the masses) have such monumentally bad taste that it's simply an intellectual turn off to share any kind of admiration for anything with them.

And people DO have bad taste. Look at the top 10 Games, the top 10 TV shows, the Billboard top 100. People are in love with shit that SUCKS.
</strong><hr></blockquote>


I wish that I could understand that strange phenomenon, but I fear I would have to be one of the "masses" to do so. I really don't have the slightest idea why some of the things that are popular are (that was a god awful terrible sentence). Maybe it's the Josie and the Pussycats syndrome. Watch the movie and you'll understand.

But as for the original question, yeah I know what you mean. It does seem that a lot of SNK fans are just downright bias.


Criterionradiohead

 

[Black Noah]

Originally posted by Criterionradiohead:
<strong>


I wish that I could understand that strange phenomenon, but I fear I would have to be one of the "masses" to do so. I really don't have the slightest idea why some of the things that are popular are (that was a god awful terrible sentence). Maybe it's the Josie and the Pussycats syndrome. Watch the movie and you'll understand.

But as for the original question, yeah I know what you mean. It does seem that a lot of SNK fans are just downright bias.


Criterionradiohead </strong><hr></blockquote>

Same feelings here. If it wasn't for Capcom, I'd probably have never gotten into fighting games. Capcom and SNK both rule, plain and simple.

 

[Samurai Hamster]

3D fighters suck ,

plain and simple ,

 

[SakurabaStyle]

Hey:

Originally posted by Galford Forever:
<strong>I'm with you on this one Spinmaster. I used to be into punk and ska. I still like the music, but the attitude of the people bothers me. As soon as a good band starting gaining attention, and heave forbid, making money people would call them "sell-outs" and shun them. It was all about who listened to the most obscure stuff.

.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Amen to that. I knew the indie ska scene was completely out of control when listening to the Toasters was considered being a phony.

-SakurabaStyle

 

[Zeekade Zarathos]

e) people who think SS4 is either the best or second best game in the series should be rounded up, shaved, and sterilized. <hr></blockquote>

You can put me in that list, then

3D fighters suck ,
plain and simple ,
<hr></blockquote>

Samurai Hamster, I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Virtua Fighter 4 is the best fighting game I've played in years and the Tekken series have created so many fun tournaments with friends I've lost count. And Soul Caliber is constantly battling for fighting game supremacy as my personal favorite with Street Fighter Alpha 3 and King of Fighters 98. To each their own, but I just have no idea how anyone can have that opinion.

 

[K_Dash]

Preach on brother Spin! I know how you feel, everytime a game that becomes popular, or is popular, gets so much hatred from a minority of gamers. When Street Fighter 4 comes out,(if it ever does) most of the SNK fans will call it a heretic of fighting games and will never even play it even if they were paid to play the game.

I like both SNK and Capcom, they both got their pros and cons, which makes them stand out from each other and that my friends is a good thing. I also think the Tekken games are good, even though I suck at it, i still practice to become good at the game.