What's this about a black kid being shot again

[Fuzzytaco]

You are overstating things a bit.

But anyways when that person graduates college, they have the same chance of getting a job interview as a white person with a criminal record has.

So any white trash asshole has the same chances of landing a job as any qualified college educated minority? Fuck....I knew dropping out of college was the right thing to do.

 

[brentsg]

That's not the consensus of the media. You're picking and choosing. And you mean corroborated, not collaborated. And you're still wrong. I have no idea where you're getting this shit from - it's this type of presumptuous bullshit that allows idiots to form an opinion before the facts have even presented themselves. This is what children do.

You don't really know me well enough to form theories about my mentality. That's just silly.

Be an adult, wait for the facts, and then we can take it from there. If it turns out that this cop did in fact execute this kid from 30 feet away while he was surrendering on his knees, well then I hope the cop rots in hell. But I'm sure as hell not going to jump on the retard bandwagon and grab a torch and pitchfork like some mindless drone. Not happening.

I saw a video linked earlier that was supposed to be in support of the deceased. However, one of the eye witnesses was in the background recounting the story and caught on camera. He said that Brown was charging the officer when he unloaded and took him down.

Edit: Wasn't the same video that I was thinking of, but here it is. It took forever to load but it's a general phone video of the scene soon after the shooting and it catches an eye witness that appears to confirm the police version of the story. Of course it's background audio and I'm sure people will hear what they want to hear.

DO NOT WATCH THIS IF YOU AREN'T OK WITH SEEING THE DECEASED FROM A DISTANCE. It's not particularly graphic though.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/

@6:28/6:29 of video
#1 How’d he get from there to there?
#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck
{crosstalk}
#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him
{crosstalk}
#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –
[there is dispute here whether he says "doubled back" or "coming back."]
#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
{crosstalk}
#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing
#1 The Police?
#2 The Police shot him
#1 Police?
#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)

 

[ki_atsushi]

Criminals and Disease????

That's some good ol' 19th century nativism right there.

What he's pointing to is the rise of diseases like smallpox and tuberculosis (and drug-resistant at that!) which has resurfaced due to the influx of illegals bringing it back here.

 

[galfordo]

I saw a video linked earlier that was supposed to be in support of the deceased. However, one of the eye witnesses was in the background recounting the story and caught on camera. He said that Brown was charging the officer when he unloaded and took him down.

Edit: Wasn't the same video that I was thinking of, but here it is. It took forever to load but it's a general phone video of the scene soon after the shooting and it catches an eye witness that appears to confirm the police version of the story. Of course it's background audio and I'm sure people will hear what they want to hear.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/

Is it clear to you which guy he's talking about? One person keeps saying that he "kept coming" ... is he talking about Brown or the cop? This video seems to support the claim that Brown charged the cop.

So horrible, to hear all the screaming and agony in the background and see a lifeless body lying in the middle of the street.

 

[SonGohan]

I haven't read shit about this news

 

[brentsg]

Is it clear to you which guy he's talking about? One person keeps saying that he "kept coming" ... is he talking about Brown or the cop? This video seems to support the claim that Brown charged the cop.

So horrible, to hear all the screaming and agony in the background and see a lifeless body lying in the middle of the street.

The person doing the asking seems to be sided with the victim, but obviously didn't see the events. He might have even thought that the victim was the one with the gun originally. The person that did see the events seems to me, to be saying Brown charged the cop after having moved away. It sounds like cop pursues with firearm drawn, then Brown turns and charges.

And yeah I should post a warning.

 

[evil wasabi]

That's not the consensus of the media. You're picking and choosing. And you mean corroborated, not collaborated. And you're still wrong. I have no idea where you're getting this shit from - it's this type of presumptuous bullshit that allows idiots to form an opinion before the facts have even presented themselves. This is what children do.

You don't really know me well enough to form theories about my mentality. That's just silly.

Be an adult, wait for the facts, and then we can take it from there. If it turns out that this cop did in fact execute this kid from 30 feet away while he was surrendering on his knees, well then I hope the cop rots in hell. But I'm sure as hell not going to jump on the retard bandwagon and grab a torch and pitchfork like some mindless drone. Not happening.

You still have it.

 

[SNKorSWM]

Why can't they do this like the OWS people did. Sure there were some pepper spray but no actual casualties.

 

[mainman]

That's not the consensus of the media. You're picking and choosing. And you mean corroborated, not collaborated. And you're still wrong. I have no idea where you're getting this shit from - it's this type of presumptuous bullshit that allows idiots to form an opinion before the facts have even presented themselves. This is what children do.

You don't really know me well enough to form theories about my mentality. That's just silly.

Be an adult, wait for the facts, and then we can take it from there. If it turns out that this cop did in fact execute this kid from 30 feet away while he was surrendering on his knees, well then I hope the cop rots in hell. But I'm sure as hell not going to jump on the retard bandwagon and grab a torch and pitchfork like some mindless drone. Not happening.

I will say just this to you galfordo as it seems you're slowly steering this debate toward juvenile insults and I just don't want to engage and end up derailing a serious topic.


Now that aside let me say who the hell are you to lecture me or anyone else on a subject that you personally in all likely hood could not relate with. Let me just outright ask are you a minority who just constantly seems to fit a profile because it is relevant to the discussion. This situation isn't a game and the people protesting are not drones mindlessly jumping on a bandwagon as you stated. Minorities are being persecuted and this is where they are coming from. Just because you can't relate does not invalidate their grievance to nothing more than hive mentality.


Your not grabbing a pitchfork because your just a judgmental spectator in his own little bubble looking down on the masses while telling them just to turn that cheek because the system will make it all better despite the fact that the system has just recently failed them in a similar scenario. If anything the system by letting past injustices go unpunished has set the stage for the mistrust we are seeing now while establishing legal precedent that murdering darkies is fair game as long as you stood your ground or have a badge and those are the FACTS. To cut you off I don't condone violent means to a end as a alternative.


Given that Brown was only one of four unarmed minorities gunned downed by police this month alone you would sit there and ask those that are constantly at risk of similar fates to be objective and leave their emotions out of it, are you really this self righteous. Do you really believe justice is blind, that the truth is incorruptible and will always triumph, be an adult and grow up. Are you in the know about the other 3 cases of unarmed minorities being gunned down by the police, are you also being objective about the Ezell Ford, John Crawford and Eric Garner incidents. For the sake of argument what if at least one of the four did in fact instigate their own demise will certain people automatically make final assumptions about the last 3, be objective and don't give me a bull shit response.


I already clearly stated where I am getting my information from. You know it's funny when I agreed that the police were possibly in the right when they had to stop that guy with the knife you were all pleased with my observation and backed down from that topic but the minute I said the police were wrong about how they dealt with Brown you went ape shit saying I'm picking and choosing information. I mean I did not see nor did you I imagine video evidence of that knife incident but yet you did not seem to give a fuck about waiting for facts in this case, the hypocrisy.

Nothing is more childish than saying someone is wrong without proving it, so show your god damn work.

Let me see 11 years and 18 thousand post, no galfordo I don't know you personally but I've got a lot of material to work with to draw a PROFILE. I gamble you and your galfordo persona are not separate personalities.

 

[Fuzzytaco]

What exactly is your ethnic background?

 

[norton9478]

What he's pointing to is the rise of diseases like smallpox and tuberculosis (and drug-resistant at that!) which has resurfaced due to the influx of illegals bringing it back here.

Small Pox???? Talk about shit even less likely than Ebola.

As for tuberculosis, I don't know about that. I couldn't find anything credible.

 

[smokehouse]

You are overstating things a bit.

But anyways when that person graduates college, they have the same chance of getting a job interview as a white person with a criminal record has.

And ohh yeah, you get a scholarship for being white. Just go to an HBCU.

Comparing systematic discrimination with a handful of government contracts and scholarships is the epitome of white privilege.

What are you talking about?

I list specific examples of real life situations where minorities have the upper hand due to government programs/policies and you spout off about some nonsense concerning whites with criminal records? I would ask you how you come to this insane conclusion...but truth be told, I don't care to hear that absurdity. I am in hiring, I sit on a apprenticeship board for local electrical trade and I run the department for the company I work for. I don't give a good shit what your skin color is...if you have a felony record, you're not getting a job. On the other hand, if there is a minority applicant in to our trade that meets the minimum requirements for application, we have to accept them. This is under the national agreement.

So...I provide you with more honest examples of selective discrimination...where will you go next? White-rapists getting jobs over minority applicants?

 

[ReplicaX]

So...I provide you with more honest examples of selective discrimination...where will you go next? White-rapists getting jobs over minority applicants?

I have to agree with everything Smoke has said and even to the point of equality/discrimination of gender. Every job minus one I have had since 1994 on paper has been equal pay/benefits as far as hourly/salaried based rates with only 2 factors weighing difference in increased rates, Education and Experience. Not gender or race.

There is only one instance and that was US Air Force Special Operations Command Combat fields while I was in from 2000 - 2006. SOCOM in general has been looking into integration of women in those fields. It's a very complicated process and many just don't understand that.

 

[Karou]

I'm white and have guns.
I know I don't need my guns to get shot.
when ''pulled over'' for speeding after arriving where I was going and being accused of trying to evade the officer, I respectfully replied I was not in fact doing so, after which I was asked to prove I had reason to be where I was_ which I did. some cops want someone to be a criminal so they can feel valid, doesn't have anything to do with race. I'm sure I could have got myself put down in the above scenario?! you think its something special or discrimanatory when you don't even know the facts? sure overzealous cops might kill a few folks that they didn't need to I'm pretty sure they don't base it on race at all though-go ahead and see if you can't find a story where a whitey ended up dead-wrong house or an unnecessary no knock warrant would be some possibilities? eh, didn't some other kid just get shot while resisting?

 

[norton9478]

What are you talking about?

I list specific examples of real life situations where minorities have the upper hand due to government programs/policies and you spout off about some nonsense concerning whites with criminal records? I would ask you how you come to this insane conclusion...but truth be told, I don't care to hear that absurdity.

This is where I get this insane conclusion

 

[evil wasabi]

Kind of interesting you take that summary at the value of data. It would be just as easy to arrive at the opposite conclusion based on the study as described.

 

[norton9478]

Kind of interesting you take that summary at the value of data. It would be just as easy to arrive at the opposite conclusion based on the study as described.

Please do tell

 

[evil wasabi]

You're a grown man. You can think for yourself.

 

[brentsg]

I'm white and have guns.
I know I don't need my guns to get shot.
when ''pulled over'' for speeding after arriving where I was going and being accused of trying to evade the officer, I respectfully replied I was not in fact doing so, after which I was asked to prove I had reason to be where I was_ which I did. some cops want someone to be a criminal so they can feel valid, doesn't have anything to do with race. I'm sure I could have got myself put down in the above scenario?! you think its something special or discrimanatory when you don't even know the facts? sure overzealous cops might kill a few folks that they didn't need to I'm pretty sure they don't base it on race at all though-go ahead and see if you can't find a story where a whitey ended up dead-wrong house or an unnecessary no knock warrant would be some possibilities? eh, didn't some other kid just get shot while resisting?

My personal experiences with police have largely been negative, but they have a tough job. I do get irritated with some of the tactics though, and I'm sure it's worse for minorities. My buddy dropped me off after a hockey game last season and got followed all the way home by a cop. He made a wrong turn and had to go around a block when he was leaving my neighborhood and the dude pulled him over, giving him the press about where what he's doing, why he's out "at this hour", etc, etc. And this was a white dude in a white neighborhood. The whole thing made no sense though, b/c this was just a dude that broke no traffic laws and was simply trying to find his way to familiar streets. I'm sure everyone's got these stories, but if people believe this only happens to minorities, that's simply not true.

 

[blotter12]

In that situation, the cop was probably wearing a name tag, and there would have been consequences had the cop done something out of protocol (in some states, it is unfortunately perfectly legal to pull someone over for no reason).

Every American should be united against a militarized police force treating everyone, even the media, like criminals, while acting with impunity. That's the scary part about what's going on in MO. Everyone focusing on details in the periphery is just letting it happen.

 

[ki_atsushi]

You're a grown man. You can think for yourself.

Obviously not, looks like his opinion is shaped completely by the liberal media.

I'm not even gonna go back and argue with his previous posts.

 

[evil wasabi]

Obviously not, looks like his opinion is shaped completely by the liberal media.

I'm not even gonna go back and argue with his previous posts.

I wouldn't say that about Norton, but some things are obvious and don't need explaining. I don't have time to explain the obvious to him, especially since he already knows.

 

[smokehouse]

This is where I get this insane conclusion

Wow...a CNN study?

So...you come to the table with a study from the national media?

Listen man...you and I have discussed things over the years...and there's zero reason why we shouldn't continue to do so in the future.

But.

If you use CNN (or FOX, or MSNBC or whatever nation news agency you want to plop in that turd-socket) as your point of reference for what's REALLY going on in this country...I strongly suggest you try looking out your own window for a change rather than at the TV. You may be surprised at what you see.

 

[ki_atsushi]

Wow...a CNN study?

So...you come to the table with a study from the national media?

Listen man...you and I have discussed things over the years...and there's zero reason why we shouldn't continue to do so in the future.

But.

If you use CNN (or FOX, or MSNBC or whatever nation news agency you want to plop in that turd-socket) as your point of reference for what's REALLY going on in this country...I strongly suggest you try looking out your own window for a change rather than at the TV. You may be surprised at what you see.

This is why when he said he couldn't find anything "credible" about illegals bringing drug resistant TB into this country, I just stopped arguing.

Here is a man who's opinion is so shaped by the few news outlets he frequents, he refuses to believe anything else. Sad.

 

[norton9478]

Wow...a CNN study?

So...you come to the table with a study from the national media?

Listen man...you and I have discussed things over the years...and there's zero reason why we shouldn't continue to do so in the future.

But.

If you use CNN (or FOX, or MSNBC or whatever nation news agency you want to plop in that turd-socket) as your point of reference for what's REALLY going on in this country...I strongly suggest you try looking out your own window for a change rather than at the TV. You may be surprised at what you see.

I just used the media link as an abstract to the study in case you were interested.

Actually, It is a study by Devah Pager, currently of Harvard University.

The study was done when she was at Northwestern and appeared in the "American Journal of Sociology"
http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/374403

In 2007, it appeared in the book "Marked: Race, Crime, and Finding Work in an Era of Mass Incarceration (University of Chicago Press, 2007)."