What's this about a black kid being shot again

[ki_atsushi]

Yes.

Following that scale...albinos should be able to damn near rule the world.

You know, what made me think of that in the first place is that I saw a young black albino boy the other day. First black albino I've seen in recent memory.

You haven't seen trippy until you've seen an Asian albino. There's a dude like that that comes into my store. Even has blonde hair.

 

[FAT$TACKS]

You are operating under the false assumption that illegal immigrants don't pay taxes. Also, having my neighbor be healthy, working & educated is in my best interest, no matter what his immigration status is.

I agree having my neighbor healthy is a good thing. Sadly when people come into the country illegally we have no idea the condition of their health. Even with giving these people who come in illegally free health services, by no means removes the threat they could possess. Hopefully if someone is ill with something they will seek medical assistance before they start spreading illness. We know this does not always happen.

I also like my neighbor not to be a wanted criminal, murderer, rapist, or worse. Again when someone comes into this country illegally we have no idea anything about their background. I find it hard to believe every illegal immigrant to this country has been a good upstanding citizen and never committed a crime other than illegally entering the country. Now I'm not saying everyone born here is a saint, but that does not change the point.

I also like for my neighbor to work. With the current rate of unemployment, I fail to understand how bringing more people into the country illegally is going to create jobs and prosperity.

I also like my neighbor to be educated, so when we already have issues with our schools being overcrowded, under staffed, and in some places quite unsafe, all to the point of making it hard for a child to get a decent education. I find it hard to understand how adding more children who have come to this country illegally is going to improve that system either.

Maybe I am misunderstanding but I have yet to see a single positive benefit to this nation provided by the current condition of illegal immigration. The system for legal immigration is bad enough as it is. That really needs to be refined and improved upon.

 

[Phyeir]

Fatstacks beat me to it. There's nothing in this system of just allowing the door open that allows for real due diligence to be done on those coming in, to ensure they do pay into the system and won't just burden the system.

 

[norton9478]

Ohh, we are talking about illegal immigrants?

I thought we are talking about legal immigrants.....

 

[FAT$TACKS]

Ohh, we are talking about illegal immigrants?

I thought we are talking about legal immigrants.....

We talk of many things: Of shoes--and ships--and sealing-wax--Of cabbages--and kings--And why the sea is boiling hot--And whether pigs have wings.

As for legal immigrants, I'm all for that. I think the system needs to be improve and there needs to be more accountability though. I'm not happy that someone can just come here, murder a member of my family and then scoot back to their shit stain country and there is nothing I can do about it.

 

[FAT$TACKS]

also on a more related to the thread note.

If this is the truth....

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...encounter-with-mike-brown/?PageSpeed=noscript

 

[blotter12]

Maybe I am misunderstanding but I have yet to see a single positive benefit to this nation provided by the current condition of illegal immigration. The system for legal immigration is bad enough as it is. That really needs to be refined and improved upon.

Anyone with any status could have a criminal background or could be going to the wrong school (and the issues with inner city schools go far beyond anything related to illegal immigration) or transmitting diseases unwittingly and move in in your hood. You're jumping at shadows if you think any of these situations is unique or due to illegal immigrants.

I'm glad you asked. Illegal immigrants do provide benefits!

First, they undeniably subsidize our social security.

They pump hundreds of billions of dollars into our economy - believe it or not, this creates jobs. The more people around, the more housing needs to be built & maintained for them, more people need to cook food for them & press their shirts, etc...

And of course, this:

all these crony capitalist companies that just want a cheaper source of labor.

Which makes the things cheaper for us to buy here and more competitive to sell abroad.

On the surface makes it seem like they are taking jobs away from Americans, but not so fast - this isn't the 50s anymore. Given the relative skills & education of today's average American worker, it would be impossible to fill these jobs locally.

 

[evil wasabi]

Ohh, we are talking about illegal immigrants?

I thought we are talking about legal immigrants.....

Jimmy Grants.

 

[FAT$TACKS]

"Anyone with any status could have a criminal background or could be going to the wrong school (and the issues with inner city schools go far beyond anything related to illegal immigration) or transmitting diseases unwittingly and move in in your hood."

I totally agree with that. I also think that adding illegal immigrants does not make the prospect any better.


"First, they undeniably subsidize our social security.

They pump hundreds of billions of dollars into our economy - believe it or not, this creates jobs. The more people around, the more housing needs to be built & maintained for them, more people need to cook food for them & press their shirts, etc..."


All without detracting anything in any way shape or form from those here legally. I don't see any of that as a positive benefit when it comes hand in hand with negatives that can just as easily outweigh the positives. So what is the cost? They create jobs, but they fill jobs. They add money to the economy, but they remove money to the economy, they contribute to social programs, they use social programs. I don't see it as a benefit, at best just a wash, except that they still have entered illegally, and that should be nothing less than a slap in the face to everyone who worked to come here legally and worked to become a legal citizen.

"Which makes the things cheaper for us to buy here and more competitive to sell abroad.

On the surface makes it seem like they are taking jobs away from Americans, but not so fast - this isn't the 50s anymore. Given the relative skills & education of today's average American worker, it would be impossible to fill these jobs locally. "

In the end I still don't see a positive benefit to Illegal immigration. If it were a good thing then why even bother having immigration laws, why not just let everyone come right in with no restrictions. Legal immigration provides benefits, Illegal immigration does not.

No that having been said. I don't know really that the illegal immigrants take away more than they give to our society and really on the whole I view immigration as a good thing. Anyone who wants to come to the United States because they believe they can make a better life for their family and themselves, and wants to be a part of our nation then I'm all for them coming here.

There simply has to be some control of the flow and standards. As it stands now it needs reformed. Because, its so easy to come illegally and difficult to come legally we see more immigration illegally. Making the system more accessible to those who would come while allowing us to screen still for undesirables, provide health services to those that need it, and equip newcomers with some basic education about life here, that would go a long way to making things better.

As it stands now, the people coming here Illegally are subject to so much exploitation that it's hard to imagine. Most of that could be eliminated as well by us reforming our system.

It is people wanting to contribute to a society that helps make it great and a lot of people trying to come to the United States are just that. Illegal immigration is wrong and is harmful for a lot of reasons, but I believe most of the people coming here Illegally have no other option to get in and are trying to get in for the right reasons. It's the minority that are causing issues, and the exploitation of those trying to immigrate that really make it an issue that needs dealt with.

 

[Lemony Vengeance]

and another african american is shot and killed by cops near where the original black kid was killed:

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-kill-man-near-ferguson-crowd-gathers-n184216

this instance is better documented though.

 

[Cousin_Itt]

We're Americans. regardless of how poor we think are. we're still more well off than 2/3 of the earths populace.

 

[FAT$TACKS]

and another african american is shot and killed by cops near where the original black kid was killed:

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...-kill-man-near-ferguson-crowd-gathers-n184216

this instance is better documented though.

I really hope the Washington Redskins to the field wielding a knives now in honor of the newest police victim.

 

[mainman]

More death, more fuel for the fire. Granted that if the story is actually true this last guy brought death upon himself but none the less this latest fatality does not help matters.

I await the inevitable lethal response by the National Guard on the masses to really set shit off.

As for the latest news about the manic cop sustaining a fracture to the bone around his eye. Just for the sake of argument if this is true the cop shot him and the suspect gave up and got down. At that point the fight was over but the cop obviously wanted revenge for said supposed assault and summarily executed the suspect by firing and connecting with numerous more rounds at least one of which to the head after the suspect surrendered. Now just think about that for a second, if you or I as private citizens get into a altercation and gain the upper hand on our opponent with him ending up on the ground or subdued in one form or another we couldn't just exploit this vulnerability and finish the job by stomping them out for instance.

 

[galfordo]

More death, more fuel for the fire. Granted that if the story is actually true this last guy brought death upon himself but none the less this latest fatality does not help matters.

I await the inevitable lethal response by the National Guard on the masses to really set shit off.

As for the latest news about the manic cop sustaining a fracture to the bone around his eye. Just for the sake of argument if this is true the cop shot him and the suspect gave up and got down. At that point the fight was over but the cop obviously wanted revenge for said supposed assault and summarily executed the suspect by firing and connecting with numerous more rounds at least one of which to the head after the suspect surrendered. Now just think about that for a second, if you or I as private citizens get into a altercation and gain the upper hand on our opponent with him ending up on the ground or subdued in one form or another we couldn't just exploit this vulnerability and finish the job by stomping them out for instance.

You are too emotionally invested in this topic to be even remotely objective. How exactly do you know that the cop "obviously wanted revenge"? Are we going to start deciding guilt and innocence based on someone's opinion about what a guy was thinking at the time?

You just can't charge people with knives and expect to be treated delicately. This is going way beyond stupid.

 

[LoneSage]

So you're saying my analysis of you is wrong?

All your posts about China show a Chinese bias (hell, you even sipped the kool-aid about North Korea )... how else are we to think of you.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and don't tell me it's because you're in China that you're having to speak positively about it (government spying/censorship bullcrap)... because it would be better to say nothing at all than to lie about it, right?

I didn't know enjoying life in a different country made me an American hating freak. You need to stop making everything about me.

 

[ki_atsushi]

You need to stop making everything about me.

I've seen my name pop up a few times in your threads without provocation, so don't give me that...

 

[LoneSage]

I've seen my name pop up a few times in your threads without provocation, so don't give me that...

There's a time and place for everything, and it's called The Hyphen. I realized last night you have some mental issues after posting that nonsense so it's probably best I just let you be from now on.

If you want to further continue this discussion, which I don't, make a thread for it in The Hyphen or PM me.

 

[norton9478]

"Anyone with any status could have a criminal background or could be going to the wrong school (and the issues with inner city schools go far beyond anything related to illegal immigration) or transmitting diseases unwittingly and move in in your hood."

Criminals and Disease????

That's some good ol' 19th century nativism right there.

 

[mainman]

You are too emotionally invested in this topic to be even remotely objective. How exactly do you know that the cop "obviously wanted revenge"? Are we going to start deciding guilt and innocence based on someone's opinion about what a guy was thinking at the time?

You just can't charge people with knives and expect to be treated delicately. This is going way beyond stupid.

For one thing you are the one looking at things with eyes so closed you are putting words in others mouths.

Where in the heck and I mean this literally did I freckin say the guy with the knife should have been handled differently because I clearly said and I quote. " if the story is actually true this last guy brought death upon himself" So where in that did you interpret I thought the cops should have just got stabbed, answer me damn it and don't go off on a tangent.

Oh yeah your going to honestly try to say with a open mind that shooting someone fucking 6 or 7 times with two of those shots being to the head after the suspect surrendered from 30 feet away had no malice intent behind it. Oh please your either suspending all disbelief or maybe you are the one that possibly has a emotional attachment to the incident maybe a minority once did you wrong in the past and you see violence against minorities as a form of retaliation, just a theory.

 

[FAT$TACKS]

Criminals and Disease????

That's some good ol' 19th century nativism right there.

?.. you lost me. were you agreeing with me? or commenting on the thing I was quoting in that little statement?

 

[norton9478]

I

Want to go to college?

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...e=UTF-8#q=US+minority+college+grants&safe=off

Go ahead. There's an ocean of financial aid available to minorities that I cannot get.

You are overstating things a bit.

But anyways when that person graduates college, they have the same chance of getting a job interview as a white person with a criminal record has.

And ohh yeah, you get a scholarship for being white. Just go to an HBCU.

Comparing systematic discrimination with a handful of government contracts and scholarships is the epitome of white privilege.

 

[ki_atsushi]

There's a time and place for everything, and it's called The Hyphen. I realized last night you have some mental issues after posting that nonsense so it's probably best I just let you be from now on.

If you want to further continue this discussion, which I don't, make a thread for it in The Hyphen or PM me.

Oh I'm the mental one? You're lucky I don't care enough to go back through your old posts and dig up all the retarded shit you've said in the last 2 years.

I'm not going to PM you about this ya wierdo, but I damn sure reserve the right to make a future thread about it in the hyphen.

 

[galfordo]

For one thing you are the one looking at things with eyes so closed you are putting words in others mouths.

Where in the heck and I mean this literally did I freckin say the guy with the knife should have been handled differently because I clearly said and I quote. " if the story is actually true this last guy brought death upon himself" So where in that did you interpret I thought the cops should have just got stabbed, answer me damn it and don't go off on a tangent.

Oh yeah your going to honestly try to say with a open mind that shooting someone fucking 6 or 7 times with two of those shots being to the head after the suspect surrendered from 30 feet away had no malice intent behind it. Oh please your either suspending all disbelief or maybe you are the one that possibly has a emotional attachment to the incident maybe a minority once did you wrong in the past and you see violence against minorities as a form of retaliation, just a theory.

I think I misinterpreted your second statement about the fracture to the eye to be about the stabbing incident. Probably because you're all over the place and it's difficult to follow your train of thought.

Anyway, you keep basing all your argument on false assumptions. How do you know that Brown surrendered 30 feet away? Where do you get this stuff from? And you once again make assumptions about what someone's thinking - in this case me. You're not really helping your case.

 

[mainman]

I think I misinterpreted your second statement about the fracture to the eye to be about the stabbing incident. Probably because you're all over the place and it's difficult to follow your train of thought.

Anyway, you keep basing all your argument on false assumptions. How do you know that Brown surrendered 30 feet away? Where do you get this stuff from? And you once again make assumptions about what someone's thinking - in this case me. You're not really helping your case.

Don't know how you think I'm all over the place where each of my paragraphs clearly addresses different matters.

As for my assumption concerning you I clearly ended that evaluation by saying it was a theory not fact since I do not know you personally.

As for the Brown murder I am basing for instance how far Brown was from the cop going on what has been collaborated by the local authorities and preliminary autopsy results explained to me by yes the media. I suppose you personally would consider my latter source the liberal grapevine.

 

[galfordo]

Don't know how you think I'm all over the place where each of my paragraphs clearly addresses different matters.

As for my assumption concerning you I clearly ended that evaluation by saying it was a theory not fact since I do not know you personally.

As for the Brown murder I am basing for instance how far Brown was from the cop going on what has been collaborated by the local authorities and preliminary autopsy results explained to me by yes the media. I suppose you personally would consider my latter source the liberal grapevine.

That's not the consensus of the media. You're picking and choosing. And you mean corroborated, not collaborated. And you're still wrong. I have no idea where you're getting this shit from - it's this type of presumptuous bullshit that allows idiots to form an opinion before the facts have even presented themselves. This is what children do.

You don't really know me well enough to form theories about my mentality. That's just silly.

Be an adult, wait for the facts, and then we can take it from there. If it turns out that this cop did in fact execute this kid from 30 feet away while he was surrendering on his knees, well then I hope the cop rots in hell. But I'm sure as hell not going to jump on the retard bandwagon and grab a torch and pitchfork like some mindless drone. Not happening.