What I said ALL ALONG... (concerning Poison / Final Fight) the FINAL word!

LoneSage

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Right cause "a port's" manual for a legacy computer (sacred as it might be) would be the be all end all eh? Alrighty.

I know I'd take the X68000's manual over what Ono thinks any day of the week, considering his first game at Capcom was Dino Crisis 2 in the year 2000.
 

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I know I'd take the X68000's manual over what Ono thinks any day of the week, considering his first game at Capcom was Dino Crisis 2 in the year 2000.
Whoa, I knew you weren't as dumb as you pretend. You are like Ronald Reagan and shit.
 

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I know I'd take the X68000's manual over what Ono thinks any day of the week, considering his first game at Capcom was Dino Crisis 2 in the year 2000.

SINCE THE X68000 HAS SPOKEN

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and that's one TW who'd be an awesome Poison IRL at that. :tickled:

that said. I'm sticking to my own guns. LEGIT BIKER SLUT. But your mileage may vary.

now then... back to our scheduled program

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I guess at the end of the day, it always seems to come down to what America is ready for, and considering the ridiculousness surrounding SWTOR right now by the Family Research Council, it seems that much of it isn't.

I, on the other hand, likes me some Poison!
 

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They can't win no matter what they say, so they owned up to the fact that they fucked up and told the audience to make of it what they will. America is full of transphobic nutsacks who can't admit that a woman is hot if they know that she does or used to have a dick.

But while America takes its sweet time manning up, Poison is still smokin'.
 

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You know you love Sarina!

I never said I didn't, or that I hadn't hit that already. I'm a social chameleon as it is, parties, movie stars, porn stars... you'll just have to wonder eh? ;)

NOW THEN...

Moxxie Maddron (legit) with purple hair could be a fucking wicked hot Poison too.

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I'd put a bullet through Zombie Reagan's head.
Well, maybe I'll finally get the answer to a question I've long wondered: Is threatening a President who is already dead enough to get you on the FBI watch list for life? If you start to hear weird clicking noises on your phone, post about it in this thread.
 

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Good. Now any jackass who tries to tell me, "ew, you like Poison, that's a man" will get a "fuck off" and "Poison is one hot bitch!" She's always been my favorite Capcom female character.

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Taiso

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The cosmic certainty has reared its head again.

This is from the article, a quote from Ono:

Well, as you said, it’s a character that has been around for a while, and initially—as you probably know—the initial intent for Final Fight was that she was just a regular woman.

I don't care if some people want to discredit Ono because they don't like him or he wasn't around back then or not. It's likely the guy has a pretty good bead on Capcom's development history.

I disregard all the myriad mythologies revolving around the character beyond the original intent because it's too fucking byzantine to sort out.

Capcom has waffled on this so many times that I just can't take anything into account beyond the original version. Not even when manuals printed by that company cite things. You just can't take it seriously because Capcom continues to contradict the issue and leave it muddy.

So wash it all away, push the reset button, do whatever you like. Clear away all the shit and wash all the muddy confusion off and you have the original concept.

That she was supposed to be a woman.

That's good enough for me.
 

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The cosmic certainty has reared its head again.

This is from the article, a quote from Ono:



I don't care if some people want to discredit Ono because they don't like him or he wasn't around back then or not. It's likely the guy has a pretty good bead on Capcom's development history.

I disregard all the myriad mythologies revolving around the character beyond the original intent because it's too fucking byzantine to sort out.

Capcom has waffled on this so many times that I just can't take anything into account beyond the original version. Not even when manuals printed by that company cite things. You just can't take it seriously because Capcom continues to contradict the issue and leave it muddy.

So wash it all away, push the reset button, do whatever you like. Clear away all the shit and wash all the muddy confusion off and you have the original concept.

That she was supposed to be a woman.

That's good enough for me.

Hentaisama was supposed to be a woman too.
 

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That she was supposed to be a woman.

That's good enough for me.

That's what it all comes down. And if Capcom retcons the history and changes the character, so be it. Everyone will relate to these characters differently depending on their past experience and nostalgia, so it doesn't matter in the end who Poison really is. If the design is wicked hot for a pixelated character, then so be it.

I only pay attention to the characters as they pertain to the time I discovered them. To me, Samus Aran has purple hair, not this blond invention meant to sell games.
 

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I guess while we're coming out, Dragonball GT did not happen. IT DID NOT HAPPEN. It's not even anime canon.
 

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I don't care if some people want to discredit Ono because they don't like him or he wasn't around back then or not. It's likely the guy has a pretty good bead on Capcom's development history.

I disregard all the myriad mythologies revolving around the character beyond the original intent because it's too fucking byzantine to sort out.

Capcom has waffled on this so many times that I just can't take anything into account beyond the original version.
There are a ton of people in this world with a pretty good bead on Capcom development history.

I guess it comes down to how you define "original version". If you mean "concept" as in the sketches and notes drawn and written during the diesign process, then boom, what happens to all the Street Fighter characters ever created? Because many of them were drastically different in name, background, appearance, fighting style, etc., to what we know them as from the games. But if you mean "original version" to mean their first in-game appearance, then how are you making the call? The first time Capcom ever made any mention of Poison's gender in either direction was to tell us s/he was a newhalf. So... Is there some third version of "original" you think we should be considering? Some mysterious "first" version that exists in your mind but without benefit of any documentation whatsoever?

Where is this coming from?
 

Taiso

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Where it's coming from is in my initial perception of the character from a 90s era video game that didn't require controversial sexuality because I don't believe it existed until the SNES controversy.

Why would they explain Poison's sexuality at all? What's the point? If they wanted a transgender character in there, they would have made it more obvious, IMO. They didn't because they didn't see the shitstorm that the SNES release would cause. And that's where the accordian ride on statements and materials began

Ono's comments, I believe, are that the character as presented in the original arcade verson of Final Fight was as a woman because they didn't think it woudl turn into this big deal that people would complain about beating up women in video games. All the convoluted mythology came afterwards, and until Capcom comes out with a definitive statement, once and for all, that she's a gender bender, I'm just not buying into it.

For the record, if they came out and just plainly stated it, I'd accept it. I really don't care what the gender/sexuality is. But until Capcom tells me, in exact terms, what she is, I'm going with what I believe she is based on my own beliefs of the original intent of the character. And I don't think my opinion is so unreasonable as to be without merit.

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