What happened to rimm_rs's SSVS preorder thread?!?

[brentsg]

It blows me away that people can't understand this.

How many retail places would sell someone products at a discount, then allow someone else to undercut their pricing/sales WHILE using the original stores facililties to do the undercutting.

That's insane.

If the items would have been purchased at a bulk discount, then discretely split up elsewhere, that would have been completely different.

I can't believe that people would hold this against Shawn and his business. He has continued to fulfill a need in the Neo community with both the forum, and the store. The new home cart releases are just the icing on the cake.

Anyone who would cease being a Neostore customer over an issue like this is one of those customers that you're better off without.

But I do love the drama. The humor might be lost on non-St. Louisans, but I keep waiting for Brenda Warner to post her thoughts!

B

 

[rimm_rs]

It blows me away that people can't understand this.

How many retail places would sell someone products at a discount, then allow someone else to undercut their pricing/sales WHILE using the original stores facililties to do the undercutting.

That's insane.

If the items would have been purchased at a bulk discount, then discretely split up elsewhere, that would have been completely different.

I can't believe that people would hold this against Shawn and his business. He has continued to fulfill a need in the Neo community with both the forum, and the store. The new home cart releases are just the icing on the cake.

Anyone who would cease being a Neostore customer over an issue like this is one of those customers that you're better off without.

But I do love the drama. The humor might be lost on non-St. Louisans, but I keep waiting for Brenda Warner to post her thoughts!

B

HAHA, the Brnda Warner thing is funny. I too live inSTL.

No one was scammed, now one was conned, no one ripped off.

No rules bent or broken.

If he didn't want people to utitlize the bulk order, then he should have posted so, there would have been no issue then. THIS WAS HIS RULE, HIS PLICY. He wrote it and he published it, not me.

He assumed people would know what he wanted and did not specify what could and could not be done. his bad.

I assumed that the bulk order options were open to all. My bad.

This is not an inslut to him or a dis, it is a miscommunication plain and simple.

People seem to forget that I would make nothing out of this and it will eat up a lot of my time.

But banning me over this? Come on, that's just going too far.

ANd Yes, I will get banned, mark my words.

 

[Robert Wallace]

Wholesale pricing (more than 6 pieces). You must order outside the shopping cart system to obtain these prices. You can combine any quantity of English or Japanese version SSVS AES. To order, send email with your complete shipping address, phone #, and quantity of US & Japanese pieces you wish to order and you will be promptly provided with a total including shipping quote to your location.
Item # 1115


http://www.neostore.com/detail.asp?ProductID=1115


I dont see the problem with starting a pre-order thread. It has been done in the past with the European members and here in the US.

What is the problem with starting a thread? I dont see anything wrong with doing this. I did not like getting those emails from JGN but there is nothing wrong with him helping out the neo geo community.

 

[rimm_rs]

Wholesale pricing (more than 6 pieces). You must order outside the shopping cart system to obtain these prices. You can combine any quantity of English or Japanese version SSVS AES. To order, send email with your complete shipping address, phone #, and quantity of US & Japanese pieces you wish to order and you will be promptly provided with a total including shipping quote to your location.
Item # 1115


http://www.neostore.com/detail.asp?ProductID=1115


I dont see the problem with starting a pre-order thread. It has been done in the past with the European members and here in the US.

What is the problem with starting a thread? I dont see anything wrong with doing this. I did not like getting those emails from JGN but there is nothing wrong with him helping out the neo geo community.

I am not sure either, though you are saying whatI have been the ENTIRE time.

I do ZERO business on this site and the principal of getting banned is what is irking me. I was trying to help out my fellow gamers and this is the end result.

Geez.

 

[SHO]

If i had the cash i would buy multiple copies and sell them to all fellow UK neo geo members

 

[JFlex]

After reading these posts a few cliches come to mind:

1. Burn me once shame on you, burn me twice shame on me.
Ryan you got away with the MS5 preorder you should have left it at that. Shawn you should have nipped it in the bud then.

2. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
You should have taken the crumbs that you get from the this website and forum and been happy with that. I've done business with you and I appreciate free enterprise and competition, but you pushed the envelope to far.

3. Perception is reality.
In business, if you are perceived to be doing something underhanded, then you probably are....whether its true or not, reality dictates a businessman minimizes his risk.

If you remain on the board, good for you. If you're removed, good luck!

 

[rimm_rs]

If i had the cash i would buy multiple copies and sell them to all fellow UK neo geo members

See I was not even doing that.

I was organizing people and each person was paying up front, I was only fronting $ for my personal 2 copies.

This is not a store related deal (for me) at all, it was all rimm_rs Neo Geo fan.

 

[NeoCverA]

I'm quite confused by the "complexity" of all of this. It seems pretty cut and dry to me. Until THIS thread, I had no idea that rimm_rs was Ryan Smith from JGN. So the only people to blame for that advertisement is the person that mentioned that fact.

On to the Pre-Order thing: From what i understood, there was no money to be made from this deal, I took it as a bunch of people getting together and saving some money by doing a bulk purchase according to established operating procedures at the NeoStore through a TRUSTED member of this board.

I was watching the thread closely, waiting for the 12 mark to get my buy in on the deal. I would purchase the game at $299 feeling pretty good about it.

I think this entire advertsing thing is a scapegoat for the true issue. Pissed off pre-order mods,etc that did not take advantage or were too quick to order before this sort of thing came to surface. Cry babies essentially. THey bitched and moaned to Shawn and put dirty thoughts in his head about the threat imposed by Ryan and the implications of such a "deal", etc.

I have never seen rimms_rs post anything about JGN, etc.

As for how JGN got access to all of our email accounts, etc...........thats another mystery to me that I would like answered. (I have an idea, but I am not certain)- ah hell, ill just say it. The accounts, information, etc were sold to JGN - Am I right?
If they were sold to JGN then this is true hipocracy. (this is a separate issue but makes some sense with all the remarks being posted).

Lets say Ryan got all of our email ids from just doin a search on the threads in the forum and used them for his benefit. (thats a reason to ban) - again this has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

So is it that Ryan did this? or just that the group as a whole did this pre-order blitz? My dumbass still does not understand how JGN/RyanSmith/Rimms_rs was making a profit or competing with neostore in any way. 12 people getting some marketing crap from JGN with the copy of SSVS (this is just me thinking of a way to use the bulk buy to JGN advantage) is nothing compared to the Pool of potential customers by having all of our Email ids.

If it is illegal for members to get together to do a bulk purchase, then make it clear.

 

[rimm_rs]

I'm quite confused by the "complexity" of all of this. It seems pretty cut and dry to me. Until THIS thread, I had no idea that rimm_rs was Ryan Smith from JGN. So the only people to blame for that advertisement is the person that mentioned that fact.

On to the Pre-Order thing: From what i understood, there was no money to be made from this deal, I took it as a bunch of people getting together and saving some money by doing a bulk purchase according to established operating procedures at the NeoStore through a TRUSTED member of this board.

I was watching the thread closely, waiting for the 12 mark to get my buy in on the deal. I would purchase the game at $299 feeling pretty good about it.

I think this entire advertsing thing is a scapegoat for the true issue. Pissed off pre-order mods,etc that did not take advantage or were too quick to order before this sort of thing came to surface. Cry babies essentially. THey bitched and moaned to Shawn and put dirty thoughts in his head about the threat imposed by Ryan and the implications of such a "deal", etc.

I have never seen rimms_rs post anything about JGN, etc.

If it is illegal for members to get together to do a bulk purchase, then make it clear.

Keeping this on topic is key here- thus I cut the stuff that was answered elsewhere; I can send you links to the other stuff if you send me an e-mail (siliconrs@hotmail.com).

The above is more or less on the money.

Why did you not know my site (which I do not name anywhere) and rimm_rs are the same? Because out of repect for Shawn, I kept that out of anything I ever said.

People this was me being a gamer, NOT a business man- how hard is that to see?

Also, you made a point, I have been trying to make, MANY PEOPLE WILL NOT BUY A NEW GAME AT $359, those are sales Shawn was not getting, period. Many people were jumping because it was at a price point they were OK with. Yes, SOME would pay full price and are getting a deal, but a LOT would not.

Here is the process" money from gamer to me->money from me to Shawn->games from shawn to me->games from me to gamer = 0% left over $ as I am NOT MAKING ANY.

SO WHERE IS MY "ANGLE"? Please don't argue good PR, I have been around a while and the last time I did this with MS5, no one said PR, they said "you're a gamer". So what has changed? This is not a deal for my store. NO angle there. I am making $0, no angle there.

Do I really need to say it?

I am going it for the game!

 

[eclypse]

I'd 2 like to know how my email got out since its kept private as well.. I'd like to know so it dont happen again thank you.

I'm registered on alot of forums and if someone can get the emails then just think of how many spamers can get it and sell it off to millions.

 

[Comrade Porn King Mikhail]

I'd 2 like to know how my email got out since its kept private as well.. I'd like to know so it dont happen again thank you.

I'm registered on alot of forums and if someone can get the emails then just think of how many spamers can get it and sell it off to millions.

Good lord there are a bunch of dummies around here who just do not read carefully nor use the search feature. I think Ryan has mentioned on at least a half-dozen occassions that he DID NOT get e-mails off of this site, but rather PURCHASED a mailing list of over 100,000 listings pertaining to video games.

I can see how another bulk order can be frustrating for Shawn and he would be completely within his rights to limit any purchases and to prevent further discounts. From the statements made in this thread, I do not believe it was Ryan's intention to undercut Shawn nor to advertise his website. I do believe that the majority of you are jumping on Ryan for absolutely inane reasons. Considering how most of you have nothing better than to play video games, one would think you would be happy with more shopping choices and competition in the market that would drive down the prices. But then, since a number of you are probably not getting laid, you must prefer the real "spam" messages residing in your inboxes that promise riches of teenage webcams and porn galleries.

Shawn runs a good business and provides great merchandise. Ryan runs a good business and provides great merchandise. That's all we need to know. Whatever drama or issues are present between these two parties are none of our concern.

Sincerely,

Mikhail

 

[TonK]

Good lord there are a bunch of dummies around here who just do not read carefully nor use the search feature. I think Ryan has mentioned on at least a half-dozen occassions that he DID NOT get e-mails off of this site, but rather PURCHASED a mailing list of over 100,000 listings pertaining to video games.

I can see how another bulk order can be frustrating for Shawn and he would be completely within his rights to limit any purchases and to prevent further discounts. From the statements made in this thread, I do not believe it was Ryan's intention to undercut Shawn nor to advertise his website. I do believe that the majority of you are jumping on Ryan for absolutely inane reasons. Considering how most of you have nothing better than to play video games, one would think you would be happy with more shopping choices and competition in the market that would drive down the prices. But then, since a number of you are probably not getting laid, you must prefer the real "spam" messages residing in your inboxes that promise riches of teenage webcams and porn galleries.

Shawn runs a good business and provides great merchandise. Ryan runs a good business and provides great merchandise. That's all we need to know. Whatever drama or issues are present between these two parties are none of our concern.

Sincerely,

Mikhail

The above quote was taken from a Russian member who likes my cock.

That is all.

 

[BBH]

if i ran a business like the neostore, i would rule with an iron fist and crush all who dared challenge my dominance.

also, my user name would be "Zombie_Lenin". Or "Sheik T. Flex".

I'd call myself "Handsome B. Wonderful"

*puts some popcorn in the microwave*

 

[Freelancer]

Well, the one good thing about SSVS is that, unlike MS5, there are no damn annoying HYPE MONKIES spewing forth their inane propaganda.

That we can be thankful for!

 

[Freelancer]

Also, you made a point, I have been trying to make, MANY PEOPLE WILL NOT BUY A NEW GAME AT $359!

AMEN!
Plus, that doesn't include the standard $8-$13 additional shipping costs (and tax if applicable!).
When a game is that expensive, every dollar you can save (via the special bulk pre-orders) counts. Regardless if you're rich or poor.

 

[evo7_31]

As someone earlier in this thread mentioned, this whole mess resulted due to MISCOMMUNICATION.

While Shawn was unhappy at the loss of revenue from the previous, wildly-successful bulk purchase, he did not deem it enough of a reason to tell Ryan in no uncertain terms, NOT to proceed with another one.

Perhaps he feared the backlash from outright prohibiting the bulk ordering, but unless I misunderstood it, he clearly did not do so.

He merely hinted at it, and it should certainly be considered his fault that he did not make it clear enough.

Ryan, being the Neo enthusiast he is (and he could certainly use the added publicity, since he runs a rival business), jumped on it - what better time to do a bulk order, than the last official Neo release?

At the end of the day, this is all business, and being Shawn's site, he can jolly well do whatever he wants. Nothing is stopping Ryan from buying 40 copies under another name (thus enjoying a discount), and reselling them on his site. Shawn's main issue, however, is the way the sales are being solicited (right here on his own site).

 

[eclypse]

Good lord there are a bunch of dummies around here who just do not read carefully nor use the search feature. I think Ryan has mentioned on at least a half-dozen occassions that he DID NOT get e-mails off of this site, but rather PURCHASED a mailing list of over 100,000 listings pertaining to video games.

Excuse me.. I never seen any answer to that on that main thread about the spam emails.

I doubt it's true though cause i get no freakin other spam from game sites period other then what i signed up for.

 

[NeoCverA]

Shawn's main issue, however, is the way the sales are being solicited (right here on his own site).

I wouldn't want that to be going on either; however, this bulk purchase in question was not in any way a solicitation.

How does anyone even think for a second that any of this (the bulk thread thing) was an open solicitation that took sales away from shawn. WTF are you all reading?

The nature/art of a bulk purchase is that 1 buyer buys a multitude of a particular piece of merchandise. In order for a multitude of individuals to take advantage of the savings that come with a bulk purchase is to choose who the buyer will be. Rimms_rs offered to be that buyer in which all interested parties could send payment to. This money sent to Rimms_Rs would then go to Shawn (neostore) for the bulk purchase of Samurai V Special. All parties cover their respective shipping costs and the price of the merchandise.

****there was never added fees associated with being a part of the savings. No money (other than the savings that all participants would gain) would have been taken away from Shawn. It was designed to be a complete transaction between the buyer and the NeoStore.

The hardest part of doing this sort of a transaction is choosing a trusted buyer. Rimms_rs was a no-brainer since there was much positive feedback from the previous successfull Bulk purchase (MS5).

Someone please explain to me wtf "sales are being solicited (right here on his own site)." means? Unless he's talking about soliciting sales FOR the neostore. That is all this was. Even a sale at wholesale pricing is still a sale and money going to the neostore.

This is the equavalent of a store hoarding money saving coupons because they dont want to incur the loss of profits. Instead of seeing it as an opportunity to maximize sales revenue we're minimizing shrinkage. This is not the way to do business. Shawn should have seen this as an opportunity to gain more sales (gauranteed sales since they would have been pre-purchases).

The only thing that ryan might be taking away from shawn in this case (and it isn't money) is the transaction experience. By this I mean the individual buying from the neostore and receiving the product from the neostore. This is silly though since everyone would be watching how smooth the transaction from the neostore to ryan would be (as they would all be eagerly waiting for their copies.)

So what's this all about?

 

[brentsg]

number or copies sold with discount x discount per copy = lost revenue for Shawn

That's what this is about. Is it that complicated?

B

 

[BIG]

Regarding this issue,I feel that Shawn is on the right side of things here.

For one,rimm_rs should NOT have advertised his "For the People" group order on the Neo-Geo selling forums.

Ryan,I do not have anything against you,nor your store,JGN,but let's be realistic here,you only "care" about us gamers for YOUR very own beneficial gain,be it monetary profit or reputation boost.

Your "Mr. Nice Guy" image does not fool anyone,as I can see through your pretense like a clean sheet of glass.

First off,if you care so much about "The Neo Community",why not go about this "pre-order" in private,or through your site,JGN? You can simply buy a few cases from Shawn,at wholesale rate,then offer them at the same discounted price on your site.

As for you "hooking up" the members of the Neo community,I see it as "hooking" potential future customers. Why else would you do such a thing,even after the fact that Shawn expressed his incontempt with your other pre-order fiasco,better known as the "MS5 pre-order"?

Your action seems to be an indirect attack on the Neostore,let alone,an attack on Shawn's integrity,as the owner/creator of this site. You call it a "Misunderstanding",but I beg to differ,as "A Slap in the Face " seems to be more appropriate.

Your reputation as a seller is solid,and I do not doubt that,as I have bought from you on one occasion,but your attitude and business practice can use a little tweaking. A few months ago,before you started JGN,I can't help but noticed that more and more of your games were being sold with "shockboxes" instead of their appropriate casing (Snaplock/Old Style),which is odd. A few days ago,it all made sense when I receive your newest JGN update via email,advertising sales of Snaplocks and Old Style cases...oh_no . As a side note,I do see items in your store marked as "new",so do not say you ONLY deal with USED items.

I,for one,have nothing but respect for Shawn,and every other contributing member of this great community,be it Vinh,Tiptonium,JMKurtz,and all the other tech guys. Shawn created this place for all of us to enjoy,at his own expense,I mean,how cool is that? I would not have known about any of the newer releases if it wasn't for this site.

rimm_rs,what have you ever contributed to the Neoscene,besides leeching off Shawn and his site? Just because you're a good seller does not mean that you are a contributing factor to the Neoscene....

rimm_rs,I have lost my respect for you,as you have burned many bridges that helped you to get to where you are now,and then some. In fact,you have bitten the hand that fed you..oh_no

Big up to Shawn and the NeoStore.

B.I.G-

 

[Kiel]

Wow, this has gotten out of hand since I have been at work all weekend....

But let me ask this, would you guys feel any different if some other member tried to do this rather than rimm_rs?

 

[brentsg]

Wow, this has gotten out of hand since I have been at work all weekend....

But let me ask this, would you guys feel any different if some other member tried to do this rather than rimm_rs?

Nope, not a bit. In fact, I've never been to his page and I only knew him as the guy who did this for MS5. I haven't been around much lately.

B

 

[NeoCverA]

A lot of the criticism of this fiasco deals with the person behind the thread. The question has been asked "What if it was someone other than rimms_rs?" What would you all (the ones for Shawn/against the bulk buy) be saying?

Let's say I was a big member on these threads who has a great reputation and noticing the success and satisfaction behind the MS5 bulk event, I offer the same type of thing to anyone interested. I never read any negative responses from Shawn (the only person I should be concerned with) on the previous bulk purchase so there is no reason for me to think that I should not move forward in publicly offering the same type of deal to the members, afterall the most effective way to gain a significant response for everyone is out in public rather than privately since one can not pick and choose who will be interested.

Would the same thing have happened?

Is this bulk-strategy considered a form of cheating the system/ stealing? Are there clear stipulations as to who can/can not participate in the bulk savings? Does one need to show a sellers license to get the wholesale pricing?

I really think that a lot of people are not understanding the underlying concepts.

 

[Kiel]

A lot of the criticism of this fiasco deals with the person behind the thread. The question has been asked "What if it was someone other than rimms_rs?" What would you all (the ones for Shawn/against the bulk buy) be saying?

Let's say I was a big member on these threads who has a great reputation and noticing the success and satisfaction behind the MS5 bulk event, I offer the same type of thing to anyone interested. I never read any negative responses from Shawn (the only person I should be concerned with) on the previous bulk purchase so there is no reason for me to think that I should not move forward in publicly offering the same type of deal to the members, afterall the most effective way to gain a significant response for everyone is out in public rather than privately since one can not pick and choose who will be interested.

Would the same thing have happened?

Is this bulk-strategy considered a form of cheating the system/ stealing? Are there clear stipulations as to who can/can not participate in the bulk savings? Does one need to show a sellers license to get the wholesale pricing?

I really think that a lot of people are not understanding the underlying concepts.

My point exactly, I just kept it short and sweet.

 

[eclypse]

Well one thing that is pretty obvious is the fact that the site only shows bulk pricing for up to 6 games.. So what would be the point. Shawn has said that he didnt care about people getting together on a 6 game purchase i believe.. Just the 12 game purchase and above was the problem.