What happened to rimm_rs's SSVS preorder thread?!?

[ResO]

No need to take this thread any longer. It makes sense sense that Shawn wouldn't want to lose all his customers to a distributor on his own site, and It makes sense for Ryan to be upset that he can't advertise on the only site that assures good Neo-Geo resale attention. Since the Neo-Geo hobby is small, signals will always get crossed. In this hobby you are forced to compete with people you know on a personal level, and it can make things hard at times. In the end, Shawn is a good guy trying to do sensible business. Ryan is a good guy trying to to do sensible business, but he is advertising in the wrong place. I can't go buy bulk of "X" item and try to to resell directly outside of the store I purchased them from. It's expected that the business would request me to not stand outside their doors and solicit their customers. Distributor prices are for distributors. As much as Ryan is trying to do good business, he is taking advantage of a loophole in Shawn's system and it is very understandable that he would get upset over losing potential retail sales.

 

[rimm_rs]

@Shawn:
So let's get this right; you're doing a private vote, as opposed to a public one and that is that.

What is the criteria for this ban?

A. Whether you like me or not?

B. Whether I broke the rules (which I did not) of the forum?

If you are using option "B", then you would not touch anything b/c have not done anything wrong.

If option "A", it seems a bit of a kangaroo court and I might as well consider my account banned.


So, again I ask, what it the criteria?

 

[rimm_rs]

No need to take this thread any longer. It makes sense sense that Shawn wouldn't want to lose all his customers to a distributor on his own site, and It makes sense for Ryan to be upset that he can't advertise on the only site that assures good Neo-Geo resale attention. Since the Neo-Geo hobby is small, signals will always get crossed. In this hobby you are forced to compete with people you know on a personal level, and it can make things hard at times. In the end, Shawn is a good guy trying to do sensible business. Ryan is a good guy trying to to do sensible business, but he is advertising in the wrong place. I can't go buy bulk of "X" item and try to to resell directly outside of the store I purchased them from. It's expected that the business would request me to not stand outside their doors and solicit their customers. Distributor prices are for distributors. As much as Ryan is trying to do good business, he is taking advantage of a loophole in Shawn's system and it is very understandable that he would get upset over losing potential retail sales.

Actually I am not mad, have not been or acted a such in any post.

As for the preorder beyong good will from Neo Geo games, I was getting nothing else out of it.

I am not mad with Shawn's killing the thread as I have stated the while time.

I am not fine with getting banned for doing something that was perfectly legal and within the framework of his rules.

 

[Lashujin]

Common sense lies with Shawn here. Some who posted have said that there are two people competing, but really thats not whats going on because Shawn is the only source of Neo Carts in this situation, and he is bieng ripped off.

 

[evil wasabi]

Common sense lies with Shawn here. Some who posted have said that there are two people competing, but really thats not whats going on because Shawn is the only source of Neo Carts in this situation, and he is bieng ripped off.

How is it being 'ripped off' when the discount is specifically offered?

 

[Cassie]

Well, this has turned into such big mess. I am Shawn's girlfriend--making my first post. It has taken something like this to fire me up enough to speak out.

I have had several conversations in the past about rimm_rs. First he was so exicited to meet Shawn. Then he continues to ask questions and act like a friend to Shawn. I thought it was kind of wierd that someone would travel so far just to pick up a game in person. My guess was that rimm_rs had some underlying reasons. But Shawn sees the good in people and didn't think there was any harm in it. OH, and come to find out, he then starts his own store. What do you know!

I remember specifically when the MS5 preorder issue occured. I'm sure that anyone can tell from Shawn's email posted above that he was very unhappy with the situation. The fact that rimm_rs is ACTING like the good guy here is funny. He downplays it by saying that the email never specifically states he could not do it in the future. Let's be petty here!

Shawn spoke with me several times about that situation and I even read the posts, emails, etc. on it. He clearly didn't want it to happen again and anyone in their right mind could gather that from the email.--Unless they don't bother to see the whole picture and are too narrow minded. (not calling anyone narrow minded)

I can't help but to feel that rimm_rs has taken advantage somewhat of Shawn's sites. When he copied some of Shawn's own hard work and put it on his site, that made me upset. But this is just getting rediculous. I'm the one telling Shawn all of the time that I don't understand why rimm_rs even gets to be on this forum. But I understand that would be unfair. It is for neo geo fans.

Btw, rimm_rs
You have nicely advertised your pricing and comparisons on this thread. What a sneaky way to help your store. And I really have a hard time believing the sincerity in your trying to say you mean no offense. Either you are afraid to be on Shawn's bad side and really mean no harm. Or you're just playing the nice guy. Who really knows but you. Maybe we should just give you the benefit of the doubt. If this really wasn't a big deal then you wouldn't still be posting as we speak.

 

[Chicago Cheeseburgler Crew]

I'm here for teh drama and +1
I pre order from shawn because i'm a free poster whore

 

[rimm_rs]

Btw, rimm_rs
You have nicely advertised your pricing and comparisons on this thread. What a sneaky way to help your store. And I really have a hard time believing the sincerity in your trying to say you mean no offense. Either you are afraid to be on Shawn's bad side and really mean no harm. Or you're just playing the nice guy. Who really knows but you. Maybe we should just give you the benefit of the doubt. If this really wasn't a big deal then you wouldn't still be posting as we speak.

Hi Cassie,

I don't know you and you me, so I thank you for the open minded tone.

As for the pricing, I was making the point that there is no way I was buying the game for resale. The number do not jive. Also, I do not have any 98s for sale right now and di not offer a url or link. So what you say is technically correct, but does ont benefit me because I neither have the stock or gave a link.

There is no need for Shawn and I to disagree. Some people hate people, some tolerate them, others like them. I fall into the last category and have no issue with building a bridge as opposed to burning one. I want to be here because I like the people.

The one other time he had an issue (with the text of the policy pages), I took the blame b/c I screwed up and fixed them within 2 hours.

That said, the decision to ban me is Shawn's and hope his own rules mean simething to him, if they do I will not be banned b/c of my lack of breaking them.

As for picking up the MS5s in person,I live 3 hours away and it's an EASY drive. Had I not picked them up, it would have raies the cost per unit (due to shipping) for each person since there were so many copies AND they would have not shipped until the following Monday. I picked them up on a Wed or Thrusday I seem to recall (it might have been a Friday, not sure really). Making people wait that long is not cool in my mind.

The thing you are seeing is that ANY action can be explained 10 ways and that is why knowing someone and looking at their history is so important.

I do not have a history of causing trouble and a lot of people here will tell you I try to be a good guy.

Sadly, I am veyr much human and I do fail from time to time.

WhenI do fail, I try and make things right.

That's the best anyonen can do.

Ryan

 

[roker]

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why don't my threads ever get this kind of attention?

 

[evil wasabi]

why don't my threads ever get this kind of attention?

You make threads?



Anyway I think there definately needs to be some separation of business and personal issues here...

 

[Alex0916]

This is very interesting.

 

[Metal Fatigue]

So to clarify, had Ryan not advertised on this site for it, could he have still placed and order for lets say 40 carts and received the appropriate discount?

Just curious, I mean it makes sense, and as I mentioned on the first page I figured the issue was simply advertising here. Those who wanted to get together to do this should just discuss through email or pm instead of here, hence no drama.

 

[Adam Gallant]

Dammit, why are you making me post again.


Just to set the record straight, the link rimm_rs gave about the KoF 98 was a sale between member droid and myself in the Neo Selling forum.


F- to Cassie.



-AG

 

[rimm_rs]

@Shawn:
So let's get this right; you're doing a private vote, as opposed to a public one and that is that.

What is the criteria for this ban?

A. Whether you like me or not?

B. Whether I broke the rules (which I did not) of the forum?

If you are using option "B", then you would not touch anything b/c have not done anything wrong.

If option "A", it seems a bit of a kangaroo court and I might as well consider my account banned.

So, again I ask, what it the criteria?

If I am destined to be banned, would it not be fair to know the criteria?

 

[rimm_rs]

So to clarify, had Ryan not advertised on this site for it, could he have still placed and order for lets say 40 carts and received the appropriate discount?

Just curious, I mean it makes sense, and as I mentioned on the first page I figured the issue was simply advertising here. Those who wanted to get together to do this should just discuss through email or pm instead of here, hence no drama.

HadI purchased them like that there would be 2 issues (Shawn can correct me if I am wrong):

#1. I would be competiting with him. I specialize in used JP games, he in Euro games., We overlap a bit, but for the most part he does his thing,I do my thing. I have been trying to NOT get into his area in any big way.

#2. MSRP is an issue, I beleive that I would need to sell at a set price and would not be able to offer the discount. Edit: I am pretty sure that is how this works.

People, here are the FACTS:

#1. I have done this before when I did not have a store.

#2. I would have made NO money on this.

#3. Going this route was PUBLIC and there would have been no chance of people thinking there is "funny business" going on. Each copy would be attached to a user on this forum and no accusations could then fly.

#4. I was not and never have advertised my site here. The preorder was a rimm_rs thing and the e-mail in my profile is siliconrs@hotmail.com it has nothing to do with any competing site.

 

[Metal Fatigue]

Ok the MSRP thing could maybe cause a problem. However what I meant was would if anyone, not even Ryan lets say, just anyone ordered 40 carts through the email like it says. Would there be a problem doing this and receiving the discount? There is no competition there, its following the structure advertised.

Wholesale pricing (more than 6 pieces). You must order outside the shopping cart system to obtain these prices. You can combine any quantity of English or Japanese version SSVS AES. To order, send email with your complete shipping address, phone #, and quantity of US & Japanese pieces you wish to order and you will be promptly provided with a total including shipping quote to your location.

 

[evil wasabi]

#2. MSRP is an issue, I beleive that I would need to sell at a set price and would not be able to offer the discount. Edit: I am pretty sure that is how this works.

MSRP=Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price

A retailer can sell for whatever they want, hell they could buy them then sell them for 5 bucks a pop but they'd lose money.

 

[rimm_rs]

Ok the MSRP thing could maybe cause a problem. However what I meant was would if anyone, not even Ryan lets say, just anyone ordered 40 carts through the email like it says. Would there be a problem doing this and receiving the discount? There is no competition there, its following the structure advertised.

Wholesale pricing (more than 6 pieces). You must order outside the shopping cart system to obtain these prices. You can combine any quantity of English or Japanese version SSVS AES. To order, send email with your complete shipping address, phone #, and quantity of US & Japanese pieces you wish to order and you will be promptly provided with a total including shipping quote to your location.

Gotcha.

i was just making clear that my action were not devious; they were the only way to void competiting with Shawn and to pass thegames on at actual cost.

 

[BIG BEAR]

Yes,this is definitely 50/50 blame matter..
Damn,the complexity o fthis thing is amazing as it could have been handled in so many different/better ways.
BAD ADCVICE and MISCOMMUNICATION is the cause of this thread imo..it really should'nt get anymore uglier than it appears to be getting.
-BB

 

[Dallas_Five]

if i ran a business like the neostore, i would rule with an iron fist and crush all who dared challenge my dominance.

also, my user name would be "Zombie_Lenin". Or "Sheik T. Flex".

 

[rimm_rs]

MSRP=Manufacturers SUGGESTED Retail Price

A retailer can sell for whatever they want, hell they could buy them then sell them for 5 bucks a pop but they'd lose money.

even then, Shawn would never consider selling to me b/c I undercut him.

as you know i only sell used game, not new ones, so that is news to me (i did note that i could be wrong, looks like i am)

still, i would have been competiting with him somethign i have been tryign to avoid, no one can argue that.

 

[metallizer]

HadI purchased them like that there would be 2 issues (Shawn can correct me if I am wrong):

#1. I would be competiting with him. I specialize in used JP games, he in Euro games., We overlap a bit, but for the most part he does his thing,I do my thing. I have been trying to NOT get into his area in any big way.

#2. MSRP is an issue, I beleive that I would need to sell at a set price and would not be able to offer the discount.

People, here are the FACTS:

#1. I have done this before when I did not have a store.

#2. I would have made NO money on this.

#3. Going this route was PUBLIC and there would have been no chance of people thinking there is "funny business" going on. Each copy would be attached to a user on this forum and no accusations could then fly.

Shawn already stated that he didnt wanted to see these preorder threads happening again after MS5, at the time he said it you did not own a webstore.

Now you own a webstore and it makes things even more complicated.

You should simple avoid posting in all those controversial issues if you want to still be a member of this site.

 

[evil wasabi]

even then, Shawn would never consider selling to me b/c I undercut him.

as you know i only sell used game, not new ones, so that is news to me (i did not i couldbe wrong)

still, i would have been competiting with him somethigni have been tryign to avoid, no one can argue that.

Then he should not offer that pricing. You're in no way undercutting him since he is still getting the payment that he expects (since it is listed in the preorder page).

And since when do businesses try and avoid competition?

 

[rimm_rs]

Shawn already stated that he didnt wanted to see this preorder threads happening again after MS5, at the time he said it you did not own a webstore.

Now you own a webstore and it makes things even more complicated.

You should simple avoid posting in all those controversial issues if you want to still be a member of this site.

You're right. I has not been selling to try and make a clear line.

This was a case of neither of us really talking.

I would not do this again since it's got to be such a mess.

 

[rimm_rs]

Then he should not offer that pricing. You're in no way undercutting him since he is still getting the payment that he expects (since it is listed in the preorder page).

And since when do businesses try and avoid competition?

Because the market is big enough for me, shawn and vihn and i do care about the health of it all.

the people stores like our hurt are the international ebay sellers, and i am fine with that because, it's their hobby. For the rest of us it's out business and intentionally going after vihn and shawn is a war not worth fighting.