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In other news, I read the last issue of Fear Itself (well, the last one before the myriad epilogues) on the crapper earlier. What a fucking dog. I thought Fraction might be able to kick some ass with the big event book, but nope. It was a piece of shit. I guess I'm an idiot for expecting otherwise, but there it is.

I heard Marvel is going to try some bullshit about polybagging all the $4 books and including a DL code, to which I say fuck that. I guess that's better than getting nothing for your extra dollar, but I don't need a DL version if I have the print version already.

I've never been a boycott guy, but I'm seriously considering dropping all my Marvel titles, except X-Factor and FF. The whole line is just bullshit these days. Just awful, pretty much across the board.
 

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In other news, I read the last issue of Fear Itself (well, the last one before the myriad epilogues) on the crapper earlier. What a fucking dog. I thought Fraction might be able to kick some ass with the big event book, but nope. It was a piece of shit. I guess I'm an idiot for expecting otherwise, but there it is.

I heard Marvel is going to try some bullshit about polybagging all the $4 books and including a DL code, to which I say fuck that. I guess that's better than getting nothing for your extra dollar, but I don't need a DL version if I have the print version already.

I've never been a boycott guy, but I'm seriously considering dropping all my Marvel titles, except X-Factor and FF. The whole line is just bullshit these days. Just awful, pretty much across the board.

So far only Avenging Spider-Man is getting polybagged with the dl code then they'll see how that works out, like how DC did it with JL #1

I thought the ending for Fear Itself was a meh also but I thought that since #1, like the owner of my shop said "it was better then Flashpoint but that stunk too". I still say Dan Slott should handle the next event as Spider-Island has been great, the story moves in a natural flow, all the key players are presented well, the few tie-ins actually add to the event and it isn't taking forever

Batman #2 was damn awesome( Capullo is no Jock but he's a nice replacement ), I haven't read Red Hood #2 yet but this title better get better with the quickness as #1 started good then went to shit fast and Blue Beetle might get dropped next
 

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I havent seen Capullos art since he worked on Spawn, what, like 20 years ago? At least 15. I remember liking his work though and I really like what hes doing on Batman.
 

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In other news, I read the last issue of Fear Itself (well, the last one before the myriad epilogues) on the crapper earlier. What a fucking dog. I thought Fraction might be able to kick some ass with the big event book, but nope. It was a piece of shit. I guess I'm an idiot for expecting otherwise, but there it is.

I heard Marvel is going to try some bullshit about polybagging all the $4 books and including a DL code, to which I say fuck that. I guess that's better than getting nothing for your extra dollar, but I don't need a DL version if I have the print version already.

I've never been a boycott guy, but I'm seriously considering dropping all my Marvel titles, except X-Factor and FF. The whole line is just bullshit these days. Just awful, pretty much across the board.

I did a Byrne-Steal on Fear Itself #7 at my LCS yesterday and I completely agree. It is a fucking terrible comic book.

The only thing I thought was neat was Cap's shield having some Uru mixed into it now. But you know...it wasn't fucking necessary. It never needed Uru in it before and I don't want ot hear any bullshit about 'well now it opens up new story opportunities.' It doesn't open up shit. Cap got in all kinds of wierd mystical adventures in the past and he didn't need a fucking magic shield to do it.

Ten years ago, I would have jumped for joy at seeing Cap actually using Mjolnir in a fight, but back then he was the only mortal worthy of wielding it. Thor's hammer was something special back then, and they didn't give Asgardian weapons out like indy flyers at a comic convention back then.

And they 'killed' Thor again. As though it fucking meant anything. As though it needed to happen. As though it was something to feel bad about.

Man, fuck Joe Q and his staff of editors anyway. They are the worst stewards these IPs have ever seen.

So happy I'm digging DC and my indys right now.

Also, some people may have seen this already but I'm bringing it up here anyway:

Avengers Assemble #1
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JLA #1
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Really, Marvel?

More proof Marvel doesn't even care about building events and cheaply using death as a gimmick because they don't know what they're fucking doing anymore:

Return of Thor spoiled well before they offed him in Fear Itself:
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Kiss my ass, Marvel.
 

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I havent seen Capullos art since he worked on Spawn, what, like 20 years ago? At least 15. I remember liking his work though and I really like what hes doing on Batman.

Yeah I know he did some stuff for Image/Todd after Spawn but I skipped those
 

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Screw you, Axel Alonso!

I remember when that guy was one of the best editors in the biz. What the hell happened? I still think he lets the creators walk all over him, but who the hell knows.

Fuck Marvel. Fuck these endless events, fuck polybags, fuck Bendis, fuck rip off covers (I mean come on), fuck ridiculous price hikes, and just fuck you in general. I really love comics, but no so much so that I'll bend over and take anything. This shit needs to stop. They'll killing the goddamned industry. I mean, do we really need another Avengers title? Fucking really? Jesus.
 

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I remember when that guy was one of the best editors in the biz. What the hell happened? I still think he lets the creators walk all over him, but who the hell knows.

You probably know all this, but I'm going to post it anyway.

Promotions in a corporate environment generally don't come until a shaping process is complete. Alonso didn't solely get picked to succeed Joe Q because of his skill. He was probably molded into a guy that would be able to easily transition into Joe's position while he went off to get more involved with the movie division (or whatever he's doing now.)

Alonso was probably the 'best guy for the job' based on what the job actually is these days. So unless he suddenly goes rogue maverick on everyone, I wouldn't expect too big a directional shift. Marvel put the guy in place because he is going to maintain the status quo. They are touting his credentials as PR spin: they want the people that actually follow such things to have faith that they're putting a qualified person in there. They'd never say 'and he does things the we want them done.'

Alonso is under a fuckton of pressure right now. His tenure is brand new and DC is kicking Marvel's ass. I want to see how they respond. I hope they respond by giving me what I actually want to see, if for no other reason than because it would make me happy.

Fuck Marvel. Fuck these endless events, fuck polybags, fuck Bendis, fuck rip off covers (I mean come on), fuck ridiculous price hikes, and just fuck you in general. I really love comics, but no so much so that I'll bend over and take anything. This shit needs to stop. They'll killing the goddamned industry. I mean, do we really need another Avengers title? Fucking really? Jesus.

There was a time when I would have said this was reactionary, but I don't feel that anymore. I feel Marvel got on their horse and rode it and kept riding it to the detriment of the long term stability and integrity of the IPs.

It's as I've said: if I want solely good stories, I'll read other stuff. When it comes to super hero comics from the big 2, I want consistency and perseverance of the core IP.

The classics never get old. Slott is proving that by giving Spidey a face lift that looks different but feels the same. Sure, you may not get the blockbuster press releases, but it will hold you in good stead and see you through rougher waters in times of trouble.

The medium has changed so much. We're at the point where we're fretting the death of print. Who thought this would ever happen? We live in a culture of throwaway and distraction. We make things easier for everyone to enjoy, which is good. But when we start shaping old things to fit into new methods of delivery, we risk losing what made them so special. Society has allowed the fundamental delivery of these IPs to be altered by commerce. We should be celebrating print medium and preserving it, not treating it as a relic. How much longer before the pacing and layout of comics is changed to meed the needs of the digital age? Before publishing schedules and pay scales and an even more heavily scrutinized bottom dollar put even more pressure on the creators and editorial?

I never saw any effort by Marvel to preserve its rich history. We can say whatever we want to say about DC's many failed continuity reboots, but at least they paid attention to the creative integrity and history of their shared universe. That is more important, in my opinion, than the bottom dollar. A thousand years from now, people aren't going to care how much money these things they made. Art is priceless-you just can't put a tag on it, and its creation needs to be handled a certain way.

Yeah, Marvel's a business blah blah blah. It's also pop culture, and part of the ownership of any pop culture icon, spiritually, goes to the public and how they hold it. I always felt DC met the fans halfway on that. I don't feel Marvel even tries to do that.
 

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Good point. And naturally I agree with the second bit -- I would have thought it was a reactionary comment too, maybe as recently as a year or so ago. But now I really start to wonder about the future of the industy. I worry about my friend's comic shop. I think print comics will probably be around for a while... But that doesn't mean people are gonna keep buying them in large enough numbers to keep things going. Hell, this is already a niche industry.
 

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I always felt DC met the fans halfway on that.

Unless it was one of the trinity I never felt that way about DC, especially when Didio started getting into his first "showman" performance
 

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Unless it was one of the trinity I never felt that way about DC, especially when Didio started getting into his first "showman" performance

What do you mean? DC kept a book like Gotham Central going, even though no one was reading it, because its fans loved it and it was damn good. In the meantime, Marvel cancels Atlas, maybe the best book they had going at the time, for the exact same reason. I really think Atlas would have gone to at least 20 or 30 issues at DC.

Didio is a bit of a goofball -- I agree there. But they're not quite as ruthless at the Distinguished Competition, I find.
 

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What do you mean? DC kept a book like Gotham Central going, even though no one was reading it, because its fans loved it and it was damn good. In the meantime, Marvel cancels Atlas, maybe the best book they had going at the time, for the exact same reason. I really think Atlas would have gone to at least 20 or 30 issues at DC.

Didio is a bit of a goofball -- I agree there. But they're not quite as ruthless at the Distinguished Competition, I find.


Which only came about since Morrison brought Cass into Batman Inc with a new identity and all. Before that it was an occasional mention to get her fans to buy someone else's book( coughREDROBINcough ) and then before that we had the whole fuck up thanks to Adam Beechen which lad to Didio and company every year saying they had big plans for her only to not show up even though some writers would say they wanted to use her but were told no

I don't know, I've yet to see anyone at Marvel answer a fans question of where a personal character they like is to get the response of "who?" or everyone's fav "we have big plans unless their names are Cass, Steph, Michael, Wally and Donna"

Both companies do douche bag things but I've seen DC gets off scot free like a little kid in a after school special while people like wait for Marvel to fuck up
 
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Finished Red Hood & The Outlaws #2, still not sure what to make of this. Rocaford's art is amazing but Lobdell's story............is just off, they're semi ignoring what's up with Starfire by having her flip flop between being old caring Starfire who suddenly can tell humans apart to nuStarfire who according to Lobdell is a "liberated woman" even though she's also a alien as Lobdell keeps pointing out in all interviews when asked about that scene in issue 1

Heard the news about Alpha Flight getting canned which sucks ass as it was pretty good but the fact that it's getting replaced by another Avngers title by Bendis!?!?!?! Well I guess it'll go right next to the other Bendis Avengers books I get making it the grand total of 0
 

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Voodoo #2 preview
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If that is Major Force then I guess they're going to use that as Kyle Rayner's intro to this book( he is supose to come in in issue #3 or 4 I think )
 

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Which only came about since Morrison brought Cass into Batman Inc with a new identity and all. Before that it was an occasional mention to get her fans to buy someone else's book( coughREDROBINcough ) and then before that we had the whole fuck up thanks to Adam Beechen which lad to Didio and company every year saying they had big plans for her only to not show up even though some writers would say they wanted to use her but were told no

I don't know, I've yet to see anyone at Marvel answer a fans question of where a personal character they like is to get the response of "who?" or everyone's fav "we have big plans unless their names are Cass, Steph, Michael, Wally and Donna"

Both companies do douche bag things but I've seen DC gets off scot free like a little kid in a after school special while people like wait for Marvel to fuck up

I'm not sure I know what you mean.

Finished Red Hood & The Outlaws #2, still not sure what to make of this. Rocaford's art is amazing but Lobdell's story............is just off, they're semi ignoring what's up with Starfire by having her flip flop between being old caring Starfire who suddenly can tell humans apart to nuStarfire who according to Lobdell is a "liberated woman" even though she's also a alien as Lobdell keeps pointing out in all interviews when asked about that scene in issue 1

Heard the news about Alpha Flight getting canned which sucks ass as it was pretty good but the fact that it's getting replaced by another Avngers title by Bendis!?!?!?! Well I guess it'll go right next to the other Bendis Avengers books I get making it the grand total of 0

C'mon, don't act surprised. Alpha Flight always gets canned. Always.

Anyways, I agree with you about Red Hood, but I think I might stick around because I find the concept intriguing. That's good enough for me, for a couple arcs at least. I don't like to drop things I haven't given a fair shake to, unless I really dislike it from the get-go (like Voodoo). :)
 

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I'm not sure I know what you mean.

DC are dicks to but seem to get off light for it



C'mon, don't act surprised. Alpha Flight always gets canned. Always.

That is true as I've bought each canceled series, really loved the one from the 90's( even bought the Sunfire & Big Hero 6 spinoff ), sigh

Anyways, I agree with you about Red Hood, but I think I might stick around because I find the concept intriguing. That's good enough for me, for a couple arcs at least. I don't like to drop things I haven't given a fair shake to, unless I really dislike it from the get-go (like Voodoo). :)


Red Hood was my most anticipated due to Lobdell, Rocaford, Roy and Sunfire only to get a hot mess. I'm in the middle now of wanting to see what Lobdell's reasoning is for the Starfire stuff and to see if it gets better or to just drop it to save money. What ever his reasons are the pay off better be mind blowing

I kinda don't see Voodoo lasting long but as long as it doesn't turn into a comic version of Species then I'm ok with it
 

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Justice League Dark is the all-time dumbest idea I ever heard, but I almost always like Milligan and holy crap is the art beautiful. It's a terrible title for a book, with characters like Constantine who wouldn't be caught dead belonging to a group with Justice in the name, but I liked it anyway. Of all the 52, this book was the most pleasant surprise.
 

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Justice League Dark is the all-time dumbest idea I ever heard, but I almost always like Milligan and holy crap is the art beautiful. It's a terrible title for a book, with characters like Constantine who wouldn't be caught dead belonging to a group with Justice in the name, but I liked it anyway. Of all the 52, this book was the most pleasant surprise.

As long as it's never said in the comic I'm ok with the name
 

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Justice League Dark is the all-time dumbest idea I ever heard, but I almost always like Milligan and holy crap is the art beautiful. It's a terrible title for a book, with characters like Constantine who wouldn't be caught dead belonging to a group with Justice in the name, but I liked it anyway. Of all the 52, this book was the most pleasant surprise.

I tend to agree, except for the fact that Milligan is pretty hit and miss in my book. He went from the sublime X-Force/X-Statix to a really terrible run on X-Men. That shit was worse than Chuck Austen's nonsense. Oy.

I always thought his most underrated work was on Human Target, by the way. That was amazing, but I never really hear anyone mention it.
 

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Do any of you guys read "digital" comics? I'm picking up an iPad 2 next week, and was looking at picking up the Marvel, DC, and Comixoglogy apps.

Also, I've been out of the loop for a while. How's the new DC 52 and what are the good books to pick up and start reading? I'm too lazy to scroll through 90 something thread pages, lol.
 

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Do any of you guys read "digital" comics? I'm picking up an iPad 2 next week, and was looking at picking up the Marvel, DC, and Comixoglogy apps.

Mainly a print reader but I have the comixology, Marvel, DC, Image and Dynamite apps. Deleted DC as it kept crashing on me and never got the same day digital release they were hell bent on pointing out. Deleted Dynamite as I only get three books so I kept the Marvel, comixology and Image. Safe bet is to go with the comixology as it has all the current stuff with the only draw back being it does not have the older stuff the other apps do

Also, I've been out of the loop for a while. How's the new DC 52 and what are the good books to pick up and start reading? I'm too lazy to scroll through 90 something thread pages, lol.

Out of the 52 I bought:
Red Hood & Outlaws
Static Shock
Frankenstien
Wonder Woman
Blue Beetle
JLI
JLD
Teen Titans
Batman
Stormwatch
Grifter
Voodoo
Blackhawks
GLC
New Guardians
Batwing
Batman & Robin

read:
Catwoman
Detective
Aquaman

Sticking with:
Static Shock
Frankenstein
Wonder Woman
JLD
Batman
Stormwatch
Voodoo
Blackhawks
Batman & Robin

on the chopping block:
Grifter
Red Hood & Outlaws
New Guardians
GLC
Teen Titans


click on page 90 to see BobbyPeru's picks and we start another convo there about DC's books. Frankenstein was the book I had no interest in the most but has become one of my fav titles
 
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Out of the 52 I bought:
Red Hood & Outlaws
Static Shock
Frankenstien
Wonder Woman
Blue Beetle
JLI
JLD
Teen Titans
Batman
Stormwatch
Grifter
Voodoo
Blackhawks
GLC
New Guardians
Batwing
Batman & Robin

read:
Catwoman
Detective
Aquaman

Sticking with:
Static Shock
Frankenstein
Wonder Woman
JLD
Batman
Stormwatch
Voodoo
Blackhawks
Batman & Robin

on the chopping block:
Grifter
Red Hood & Outlaws
New Guardians
GLC
Teen Titans


click on page 90 to see BobbyPeru's picks and we start another convo there about DC's books. Frankenstein was the book I had no interest in the most but has become one of my fav titles

Thanks man. Appreciate your input. Is there anything from Marvel (I know a lot of fans are pissed with them currently) or any of the independents I should look into as well?
 
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