The Comic Book Thread

[Taiso]

Siege was the single worst comic event I've ever bought into.

I hated most of it. Some of the spinoffs were okay, but overall....the worst event ever.

For any comic company.

I can't think of one I disliked more.

 

[BobbyPeru]

Yeah boy! I've got my New 52... a month later than everybody else, but still!

about to go read some Swamp Thing.

 

[genjiglove]

Anyone tried DCs digital comics? I downloaded some of the number one issues from the new 52 that I was having a hard time finding. The interface used to read the books is pretty slick and the image quality is really sharp.

 

[HeartlessNinny]

Siege was the single worst comic event I've ever bought into.

I hated most of it. Some of the spinoffs were okay, but overall....the worst event ever.

For any comic company.

I can't think of one I disliked more.

Yeah, I agree. There have been some real stinkers, but Siege was a goddamned insult. I like how Bendis seemed to think that the only problem he was having with big events was they were too long! Yeah, shorten that nonsense to 4 issues and we'll have all the inaction we're used to, together with incoherence! Awesome.

 

[Electric Grave]

I put the stuff I want to read most on top, too. Because lately, I will get bored and just stop reading a comic that isn't blowing me away. My tolerance for mediocrity has diminished. Hopefully, it's a phase.

See, now you're making sense. There's just so much crap that is not fun anymore.

Lee and Silvestri coming in and out irregularly doesn't count for squat. Give me a solid book that passes 12 issues with a solid plot and decent art and then we'll be talking.

Last great run I read from beggining to end was Black Panther Vol. 2 MK, written by Priest, even after Texeira and Jusko ( or is it Joe kusko?) deodalo kept the book looking really great, I don't know what was up with Joe Q when he decided that deodalo's French lines were not awesome but whatever. The. After issue 40 all went down hill when priest though he could make the Black Panther urban or some shit. Lucas art on that small new arc was meh, which is kind of odd 'cause the guy has talent.

Jurgens Thor run was amazing too and Ramney was great in the few issues he took part of.

Inhumans MK
Daredevil MK before the art went stupid was great too.

That whole MK run was pretty much what lifted Marvel and gave Joe Q the keys to the editor in chief chair.

Bill Jemas was just starting the Ultimate line and JRJR was busy as hell with Amazing Spiderman, Thor and some other book, I think it was Hulk but the direction was kinda shitty at the time with Hulk.

What you see now is kinda meh. Marvel is allowing themselves to go stale again, if it wasn't for the movies I dunno what would be happening.

Oh yeah Cap MK was great too.

Marvel Knights needs a glorious return.

We got Joe Mad coming on a new Spiderman, that might be kinda cool. I know the art will, but let's see what's on store for the writing.

 

[Taiso]

Zeb Wells is a decent writer. Avenging has some decent creative chops behind it.

But I hate Spidey as an Avenger, so even if I wasn't on a Marvel embargo, I probably wouldn't buy it. I love Mad, but he is tainted goods now after Ultimates 3. I hated how busy the art was in that series-too much going on in every panel and most of it didn't matter.

Plus, Mad couldn't draw Cap's shield for shit. WTF? Really? All that fantasy art you do and you can't draw a simple round shield?

I may buy trade if it gets RAVE reviews.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

I'm sure Taiso I'll be here going hard on Joe Mad with Avenging Spider-Man

On topic in regards to SA I must say so far Ellis is doing a bang up job on what will be his short run, each issue will basically be a 1 and done with only a few members of the team that will rotate each issue

 

[Hot Chocolate]

Yeah boy! I've got my New 52... a month later than everybody else, but still!

about to go read some Swamp Thing.

Let is know what you think and if you want instead of backtracking most of us who have read them can compare likes/dislikes

 

[Hot Chocolate]

Anyone tried DCs digital comics? I downloaded some of the number one issues from the new 52 that I was having a hard time finding. The interface used to read the books is pretty slick and the image quality is really sharp.

I was using DC's app until the second week of the 52 when it kept crashing and didn't have the new releases at noon so I switched back to the main comixology app with my Marvel one both staying on my iPod. I still stay mainly print and only buy oldies that are a buck or less that I really want with exceptions to new releases being ones I know I really want.

They do look nice and I say if there's no local shop then go for that route but there's just something about holding those bundles of printed paper

 

[Taiso]

So somebody explain to me why Steve is still 'super soldier' in SA but he's Cap everywhere else.

 

[HeartlessNinny]

So somebody explain to me why Steve is still 'super soldier' in SA but he's Cap everywhere else.

Because shut up, that's why.

Trey is right about the Ellis issues being decent (they're better than anything the series has had so far), but they're not exactly the best comics ever. They're not even the best Ellis ever... Or the best Ellis super hero comics ever. Just.... Decent.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

So somebody explain to me why Steve is still 'super soldier' in SA but he's Cap everywhere else.

I figure cause they're a secret team, why taint the shield in a "black ops" team. You know had Bucky lived and just stepped down like Dick did I would have liked to see him lead this team.


I think I'm gonna send a treatment to Marvel, I'd keep the same roster except leave Nova out and add Goliath, Devil-Slayer, Atlas, Ethan Edwards(as alternates ) and Mystique

 

[HeartlessNinny]

Actually, I'm assuming the real reason is that the current SA stuff takes place before Fear Itself.

I have to admit I don't really give a shit about this stuff myself. Continuity shouldn't be an overarching set of unbendable rules. It should just be a loose framework that ought to be adhered to when it improves the story, not at the cost of everything. So what if this takes place a few months before other current Marvel titles? I don't understand continuity nerds.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

True indeed, I know some where freaking out about how at the end of the New Avengers Annual Avengers Mansion was totaled then complained in a issue of Avengers it was still standing. I have no plans to read Avengers other then the annual in where the story from the NA Annual continues so I don't care it's back in a comic series I'm not reading

 

[HeartlessNinny]

I read that annual in the store, out of curiosity, and I hated it for different reasons: Since when does the goddamn Thing get his ass kicked by a bunch of nobodies? He didn't even land a fucking punch.

If you guys think Geoff Johns was bad for jobbing out characters, I can't help but think Bendis is much worse. To job the Thing to a gaggle of losers... Man, that burns me up. I don't normally get bent out of shape with that kind of stuff, but the Thing is a pretty iconic character in the Marvel universe. He shouldn't go around losing fights to wannabes just to advance the plot.

It reminds me of when Wolverine kept getting his ass kicked by his son, then weeping afterwards. Even if you hate Wolverine (and a lot of people do), you have to admit that he shouldn't be crying all the time, like a little bitch. Daken has no business beating him in a fight, either. Wolverine is supposed to be a shit-kicker par excellance, not a flunky. Grr.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

Really, WOlvermean was crying over Daken? What a bitch

 

[Taiso]

Because shut up, that's why.

Marvel doesn't get a pass with me on this.

Anyway, I agree with Trey's reasoning, but for two things:

Everyone knows Steve is the leader of that team.

Only a moron wouldn't know that Steve has returned to the costume, what with Bucky's death and the return to the classic outfit.

They may be great stories, but it's all too indicative of Marvel's recent lack of continuity.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

Seeing as how Steve is Cap again I wouldn't mind if he left that team and left it up to Widow to lead

 

[HeartlessNinny]

Really, WOlvermean was crying over Daken? What a bitch

Yes. Yes he did. More than once, if I'm not mistaken.

Marvel doesn't get a pass with me on this.

I know, I was just kidding around. I don't care about continuity myself, but I can see why having two different versions of the same character might be irksome.

 

[HeartlessNinny]

Oh hey: In other news, I'm going back and re-reading my Mister X archive hardcover. I think I mentioned it in this thread already, but in case I didn't: as far as '80s indies go, this is one of my faves. I love that stuff.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

I will have to look into that, first I'm hearing of it so what is it aboot?

 

[HeartlessNinny]

It's a bit hard to explain, I guess... At least it is for me. It's a retro-futurist thing, by which I mean it's the future of yesteryear. You know how sci fi was a long time ago, when they thought big clunky robots were going to be around, and we'd all be riding zeppelins? Like that.

The titular character is a weird little guy who goes around fulfilling various plots in Radiant City, and it's never supposed to be clear exactly who he is (hence the name Mr X).

That's the plot, anyway. It's really about stuff like drugs and self-identity. You know. The '80s.

EDIT: This might help. I cribbed it from wikipedia:

Set in Radiant City, a dystopian municipality influenced by Bauhaus and Fritz Lang's Metropolis, the series concerns a mysterious figure who purports to be its architect. His radical theories of "psychetecture" cause the citizenry to go mad, just as he did, and he takes on the mission to repair his creation.
In order to accomplish this he remains awake twenty-four hours a day by means of the drug "insomnalin," all the while coping with a Dick Tracy–like rogues gallery and supporting cast including his long-suffering ex-girlfriend Mercedes.
Under Motter's art direction the series became known[by whom?] for its distinctive blend of Art Deco, German Expressionism, and film noir motifs as well as the new wave graphic design also popularized at the time by Art Spiegelman's RAW and The Face.
Mister X's influence can be seen and was acknowledged in films like Terry Gilliam's Brazil,[4] Tim Burton's Batman,[5] and Alex Proyas' Dark City.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

Cool, sounds interesting

 

[Electric Grave]

Zeb Wells is a decent writer. Avenging has some decent creative chops behind it.

But I hate Spidey as an Avenger, so even if I wasn't on a Marvel embargo, I probably wouldn't buy it. I love Mad, but he is tainted goods now after Ultimates 3. I hated how busy the art was in that series-too much going on in every panel and most of it didn't matter.

Plus, Mad couldn't draw Cap's shield for shit. WTF? Really? All that fantasy art you do and you can't draw a simple round shield?

I may buy trade if it gets RAVE reviews.

I couldn't disagree more. Mad's art on UV3 was great, your issue with his shield is a bit silly. His style makes the shiled look oval and such that's just how it is.
THe writting on Uv3 on the other had was horrible, it felt cheap, quick and lacking. If it wasn't for Mad, that volume would have been a total waste. I like spidey with the Avengers 'cause for once PP is getting a break, is nice to see the ultimate good guy/geek not only get the girl but also have a decent life for once. Spidey has been looking for a place to belong for a long time, this might be a good thing but I'm sure it won't be forever. As always the PP luck will strike again and leave him utter miserable as usual.

 

[Taiso]

I couldn't disagree more. Mad's art on UV3 was great, your issue with his shield is a bit silly. His style makes the shiled look oval and such that's just how it is.

The shield looked like garbage. I am half blind and can see that it looks way too thin and is far too small. It's just crap.

But that is not the real problem with UM3's art. If the only thing wrong with the art was the shield, I'd give the book's visuals a pass. The pages are too busy and half the time you can't tell what the fuck is going on or how it got there.

More power to you if you liked it, but there was just too much activity on each panel.

It's like MAD bought into his own hype when he drew that. Compare that with Battlechasers, where the art makes sense and is laid out a lot better, and you see the difference. I really wish he'd go back to that.

Anyway, even MAD thought the shield looked like garbage when he drew it. I can't find the quote right now, but he went into detail on how difficult it was to draw and how he could never get it right. If I find the quote, I'll make sure to post the link. It's part of an interview. Might be in an issue of Wizard magazine, one of the few I've bought in the last ten years, and mostly because of the UM 3 preview.

The writting on Uv3 on the other had was horrible, it felt cheap, quick and lacking. If it wasn't for Mad, that volume would have been a total waste. I like spidey with the Avengers 'cause for once PP is getting a break, is nice to see the ultimate good guy/geek not only get the girl but also have a decent life for once. Spidey has been looking for a place to belong for a long time, this might be a good thing but I'm sure it won't be forever. As always the PP luck will strike again and leave him utter miserable as usual.

Slott's current run on Spidey was one of my favorite Marvel reads and I hated walking away from it, but when I said 'no more current Marvel, I meant it. Had to cut even the stuff I liked loose.

That said, I hate him as an Avenger. Sorry, but I think it sucks.