The Comic Book Thread

[HeartlessNinny]

As a whol;e the cyber issue with Babs is the only one I just plain did not like, I was initially turned off with issue #2 but when #3 came out it made for a better read with both issues being read back to back for me. At best my fav issue is the issue with Man Of Bats

I admit the cyber issue didn't blow my mind, but the rest has been solid gold. Solid gold, I tell you. (Seriously.)

 

[genjiglove]

I loved the first couple issues of Batman Inc. because of Lord Death Man. I want to change my XBL gamertag to that.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

My bad it was issues 3 & 4 as the first two were great as I loved the end of issue #1 with the flooded apartment underneath his with the giant octopus. It was after that with him going to Spain( or was it mexico? It's been a while since I've read it ), also Lord Death Man became my third fav batvillain after Joker and Pyg and it's sad that he's never coming back as I see only Morrison willing to use him again

 

[genjiglove]

I guess theres not really a lot you can do with Lord Death Man.

 

[HeartlessNinny]

I guess theres not really a lot you can do with Lord Death Man.

Maybe, but let's hope someone figures it out anyway. That guy definitely needs to come back in some way or another.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

Pull list for tomorrow:

Batwing #2
Hawk & Dove #2
JLI #2
Static Shock #2
Stormwatch #2
Spider-Island: Heroes For Hire #1
Thunderbolts #164
X-Men: Schism #5
Fear Agent #31
Chew #21
The Infinite #3
The Boys #59

Not really sure if I am going to get Hawk & Dove and JLI, the first issues didn't really do much for me now the first issue of Stormwatch didn't either but I'm trying really hard to like that comic but the other two didn't have enough to make me want to read or or stay interested while reading issue #1

 

[HeartlessNinny]

I just read the second issue of Stormwatch, and I thought it was friggin awesome. It's got some nice tongue-in-cheek humour, and we start to see why those characters are so badass. I'm definitely going to keep getting that one.

I also finally got to read Aquaman. Again: awesome. I really liked it a lot. Here's hoping the creative team sticks around for a while (Johns usually does, so there's that).

 

[Hot Chocolate]

I just read the second issue of Stormwatch, and I thought it was friggin awesome. It's got some nice tongue-in-cheek humour, and we start to see why those characters are so badass. I'm definitely going to keep getting that one.

Cool, can't wait

I also finally got to read Aquaman. Again: awesome. I really liked it a lot. Here's hoping the creative team sticks around for a while (Johns usually does, so there's that).

I can see why people liked Johns's Aquaman but it's just not for me, by the third time people were taking shots at him I got the feeling he was doing it so people would begin to begrudgingly like him. If Aqualad( Kal/Jackson ) or Aquagirl( Lorena ) show up then I'll check it out again


Also I really liked Voodoo

 

[HeartlessNinny]

I can see why people liked Johns's Aquaman but it's just not for me, by the third time people were taking shots at him I got the feeling he was doing it so people would begin to begrudgingly like him. If Aqualad( Kal/Jackson ) or Aquagirl( Lorena ) show up then I'll check it out again


Also I really liked Voodoo

For what it's worth, I do agree that the idea of having people insult him was unneeded and kind of dumb. But I don't think he's gonna carry on with that. It was just Johns going, "Yeah, people make fun of that guy, I'm in on it." If nothing else I really liked the way Aquaman behaved. The line about fish brains being primitive was pretty classic.

I thought Voodoo was pretty horrible, myself... The art was wank-tastic, but I thought the story was worthless. I don't care about that character though, so I guess I wasn't the target audience. But between that, I, Vampire, Met at War (which I still don't quite see the appeal of) and Blackhawks... Those are my first cuts. I decided to add Green Arrow, even though I don't like Krul, because Giffen takes over at issue 4. May as well grab the first three. I'm thinking about adding Frankenstein, since Jeff Lemire is killing it on Animal Man (read number 2 a minute ago and I really dug it).

The next casualty will probably be Superboy, if I decide to ditch it. Other than that, I'm pretty happy with what's going on so far.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

Add Frankenstein! Add it!!!!

Also I bought the Abe Sapien solo mini but haven't read it yet, gonna have free time soon so I'm building up some comics to read through then, also found my X-Force/Youngblood crossovers( yeah both of them ), ah 1996.....it was a crazy year

Second cover is nuts and makes no sense anatomy and proportion wise, also Justice League Dark is hands down awesome and this creative team had better not ever leave this title

 

[HeartlessNinny]

Add Frankenstein! Add it!!!!

Also I bought the Abe Sapien solo mini but haven't read it yet, gonna have free time soon so I'm building up some comics to read through then, also found my X-Force/Youngblood crossovers( yeah both of them ), ah 1996.....it was a crazy year

Second cover is nuts and makes no sense anatomy and proportion wise, also Justice League Dark is hands down awesome and this creative team had better not ever leave this title

Ha ha, I'm glad someone is on board with the anatomy thing. Michael Turner used to drive me nuts with that, too. All the girls he drew looked like they had broken backs.

Anyways, I got Abe Sapien too. I liked it. Actually, this whole Mignola-verse Dark Horse is going with is really good. I was particularly impressed with Witchfinder... Man. Severin 's still got it, I tell you. Baltimore is the shit as well.

I think I'll take your advice about Frankenstein. I'll grab it today if I get a chance (and hopefully I will).

 

[Electric Grave]

Michael Turner was a great penciller. He filled each panel with not just broads but atmosphere as well.

Liefield is a piece of shit, just another Jim Lee wannabe.

I want my broads to look hot, I can care less for all them mediocre artist filling up pages with lame ass panel story telling. Most comics today are getting into decent writing but the art is horrible, just the same handful of great artist that have been doing it for the last 15 years.

John Romita jr. The fine example of what a consummate comic penciller should be.

Castellini
Platt
Jim Lee
Silvestri
Turner
Madureira
Bachalo
Pacheco
Adam Hughes
Bart sears
Ramney
Bisley

All great classic artist, nowadays we get nothing but unfinished work that looks like a wannabe just finished pencilling with a dull as pencil.

 

[HeartlessNinny]

Michael Turner was a great penciller. He filled each panel with not just broads but atmosphere as well.

I know the guy has a ton of fans (I'm pretty sure he was the highest paid artist in the biz before he died), but you have to admit that his sense of anatomy was pretty whack. I personally don't like the look of most '90s-style artists, so I never liked his work.

Art's pretty personal though. I don't hold it against anyone if they don't have the same taste as me. At least, I try not to... With varying success... I'm only human after all.

 

[Electric Grave]

His problem was not anatomy but rather style. The torso on all his women was way too long, that's his thing. Plenty of other artist have different traits, like Ramos makes them feet way too big and so on.

90's artist are far better than what's going on today and in some cases way better than what was going on before them.

So you don't like Jim Lee then, that's ok but give me an artist that you feel is great from the 80's other Tha. George Perez and the Kubert family and let's see where is it that you lie in all of this.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

Michael Golden

 

[Taiso]

Staying out of this one.

 

[SouthtownKid]

Michael Golden

One of the greatest ever, if he could only produce faster. Considering the length he's been in the industry, he has produced a depressingly small amount of material. But yeah, he's miles ahead of nearly anyone who debuted in the 1990s.


Some of the other great artists working in the '80s, off the top of my head:

Giffen
Grell
Rude
Smith
Chaykin
Guice
Jones
Broderick
Kane
Ordway
Byrne
Toth
Maguire
Bisley
Miller
Janson
J Buscema
Simonson
Cowan
Truman
Aparo
Mandrake
Reinhold
Mignola
Colan
R Wagner
M Wagner
Zeck
Whigham
Bright
MacLeod
Sienkiewicz
Breyfogle
Silvestri
Keown
Rogers
Lealoha
Sherman
Starlin
Anderson
Gulacy
Mazzucchelli
Sim
Ploog
Russel
McDonnell
Ezquerra
O'Neil
Bolland
Talbot
J Hernandez
Steranko
Hansen
Sale
Adams
LaRocque
Lightle
Kieth
MacNeil
McCarthy
JR jr, as mentioned

John Romita jr. The fine example of what a consummate comic penciller should be.

Castellini
Platt
Jim Lee
Silvestri
Turner
Madureira
Bachalo
Pacheco
Adam Hughes
Bart sears
Ramney
Bisley

All great classic artist, nowadays we get nothing but unfinished work that looks like a wannabe just finished pencilling with a dull as pencil.

What do you mean, "now we get..."? Do you even read comics? More than half the people you listed are still working regularly.

Pacheco
Bisley
Lee
Bachalo
Silvestri
Hughes

...are all still working. Lee, Silvestri, and Bachalo are all currently on monthly books from either DC or Marvel. Pacheco is also pretty consistently working on something for either of them. Bisley alternates on Hellblazer and has been doing all the covers for a long time now. Joe Mad also still does stuff here and there.

 

[Arcademan]

Some of the other great artists working in the '80s, off the top of my head:

Giffen
Grell
Rude
Smith
Chaykin
Guice
Jones
Broderick
Kane
Ordway
Byrne
Toth
Maguire
Bisley
Miller
Janson
J Buscema
Simonson
Cowan
Truman
Aparo
Mandrake
Reinhold
Mignola
Colan
R Wagner
M Wagner
Zeck
Whigham
Bright
MacLeod
Sienkiewicz
Breyfogle
Silvestri
Keown
Rogers
Lealoha
Sherman
Starlin
Anderson
Gulacy
Mazzucchelli
Sim
Ploog
Russel
McDonnell
Ezquerra
O'Neil
Bolland
Talbot
J Hernandez
Steranko
Hansen
Sale
Adams
LaRocque
Lightle
Kieth
MacNeil
McCarthy
JR jr, as mentioned

Not a bad list, especially from 'the top of your head'.

Sadly, I rarely read comics theses days...except for my stash of old DC's I have long before the mess known as 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' ruined it, then 'Zero Hour' killed it off.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

I think I might be the only guy who likes Chaykin's current work. I hear that either they don't like how it's colored digitally or that he hasn't changed

 

[Taiso]

I approve of STK's list.

 

[SouthtownKid]

I think I might be the only guy who likes Chaykin's current work.

I like his current work, too. He recently did a GI Joe mini series for IDW called Hearts and Minds (written by Max Brooks) that was awesome.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

I like his current work, too. He recently did a GI Joe mini series for IDW called Hearts and Minds (written by Max Brooks) that was awesome.

I bought that just for him as well as his variant covers for the main Joe series over the regular ones

 

[SouthtownKid]

I bought that just for him as well as his variant covers for the main Joe series over the regular ones

heh yeah, me too. His covers for Cobra were cool.

 

[HeartlessNinny]

His problem was not anatomy but rather style. The torso on all his women was way too long, that's his thing. Plenty of other artist have different traits, like Ramos makes them feet way too big and so on.

90's artist are far better than what's going on today and in some cases way better than what was going on before them.

So you don't like Jim Lee then, that's ok but give me an artist that you feel is great from the 80's other Tha. George Perez and the Kubert family and let's see where is it that you lie in all of this.

Well, you do kind of contradict yourself there. But I disagree with the sentiment of what you're saying: guys like Ramos have a really exaggerated style, but they don't abandon the proportions that make everything look 'right'. Turner did. All his women were very disproportionate, and I found it jarring and off putting. I don't hate the guy or anything, but I avoided his work wherever possible back in the day. Thankfully he had his own thing going on that I didn't really care about.

For the record, I do like Jim Lee, by the way. Actually I think that guy's pretty amazing. I'm also a big Finch fan.

I would argue that both of those guys have evolved past the trademark '90s style that they started out with (and, let's be fair, still represent). But I think they're the exception, not the rule.

Anyway, like I said, art is personal, even more so than other things that rely on taste. So if you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. That's all that matters in the end, really.

I think I might be the only guy who likes Chaykin's current work. I hear that either they don't like how it's colored digitally or that he hasn't changed

I like it too. I don't think it's as good as it was in the 80s (it looks more rushed to me now), but I still love that guy. I usually buy whatever he draws, unless I intensely dislike the subject matter for some reason.

Hey, remember that war comic he did for Marvel Max a while back? It was written by Ennis and had covers by Cassady. I can't remember what it was called, though... Anyway, that was a good example of his current work. It was pretty rockin' if you ask me.

By the way, I like most of the guys on your list, STK. I'd add Steve Bissette and Dave Gibbons, but other than those guys, I can't think of anyone. Pretty comprehensive if it's off the top of your head.

EDIT: Oh, I forgot. I did have a chance to grab Frankenstein today, and I dug it. Cool stuff. So we're agreed there, too.

 

[Hot Chocolate]

heh yeah, me too. His covers for Cobra were cool.

Big time, love these two