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anyone have any opinions on the new "X-Force" run? I liked it when it started (Wolverine, X-23, and Warpath on covert missions to kill the purifiers - all led by cyclops), but now theyre starting to bring back the old x-force like domino...

Now i dont know. i thought it was gonna be a different x-force but im seeing that its slowly turning into the crap that i couldnt stand in the early 90's

any thoughts?
 

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Having an edgy X-Force team of EXTREEEEEEEEME characters on covert missions was already the same kind of crap I couldn't stand from the '90s. Adding Domino doesn't change that for me one way or the other.
 

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anyone have any opinions on the new "X-Force" run? I liked it when it started (Wolverine, X-23, and Warpath on covert missions to kill the purifiers - all led by cyclops), but now theyre starting to bring back the old x-force like domino...

Now i dont know. i thought it was gonna be a different x-force but im seeing that its slowly turning into the crap that i couldnt stand in the early 90's

any thoughts?

I liked it to when it was them on covert kill missions, with the addition of Domino I don't know. I'm still going to stick around for Messiah War as I do want to know what happened with Boomer and it looks over all good( old Deadpool is hilarious ), and Mike Choi is the new artist
 

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I got no problem with Domino as a character, though most of the shit she's been in has been awful. But I don't really give a crap about that X-Force book, I've been sticking to X-Factor and Uncanny, which have been pretty good.
 

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never seen Google do something like that for comic-con.
 

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Looks like Marvel has the rights to Marvelman now.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/070924-QuesadaAnnounce.html

It would be great if they could get Alan Moore to stop being a prima donna and actually do a mainstream book again. Gaiman has a pretty good relationship with Marvel I believe so he shouldn't be a problem.

Yeah, you cough wrong in front of the man and he takes it as a slight, I wouldn't mind seeing Gaiman write it as I don't think he's doing anything else comicwise.

What was it that got Moore to get pissed at Marvel since I think Joe Q bend over backwards to get him once
 

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Yeah, you cough wrong in front of the man and he takes it as a slight, I wouldn't mind seeing Gaiman write it as I don't think he's doing anything else comicwise.

What was it that got Moore to get pissed at Marvel since I think Joe Q bend over backwards to get him once

I think it was something like a printing error and Moore wasn't credited in the last Marvel book he'd written. I could be totally wrong though.

EDIT: Taken from Wikipedia:

In the 1990s, Moore relented slightly as a favour to Davis and allowed their Captain Britain to be reprinted in the series X-Men Archives Featuring Captain Britain.[citation needed] In 2002, Marvel Comics' editor-in-chief, Joe Quesada, attempted to persuade Moore to create new work for Marvel (Moore had already contributed to Marvel's 9/11 tribute comic, Heroes), and convinced him the company had changed.[citation needed] Moore agreed to the publication of a reprint collection of his Captain Britain stories, on the understanding that he would receive proper credit of his copyright in the stories. However, Moore's copyright was omitted. Despite Quesada's immediate public explanation that the omission was a printing error, his apologies, and the omission being corrected in subsequent printings, Moore declared he would no longer consider working for Marvel.[50] It has also been reported that Moore did not take kindly to Marvel's alleged insistence that the US publication by Eclipse Comics of his Marvelman work be retitled to Miracleman.[13] In his My Cup of Joe column on Myspace, when asked if there were any animosity between Marvel and Moore, Quesada responded, "As far as I know, there are no hard feelings between Alan and Marvel and vice versa."
 
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I can't remember the exact details, but Moore has a reason to be distrustful of the Big Two. That said, he's also batshit insane, and he holds a grudge like no one's business. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for him to come back to mainstream comics. Besides, he's retired.

In other news, I'm rereading Y the Last Man. I've read about half the series again, and man... It's good, but I think it might be one of the most overrated comics of all time. People talk about it like it's one of the best the medium has to offer, and that's just nuts. It's too full of ridiculous nonsense like ninjas and magic amulets, plus I'm pretty sure the world would be more fucked if all the males died. I don't doubt that women could get along fine without us, but in that book, a lot of cities carry on like nothing ever happened. For god's sake, there wouldn't be a lot to fucking eat. Plus Yorick is an idiot of the highest order, and pretty unlikable as a character. Add to that the fact that he bones exactly one girl that's not his fiancee (sort of) in several years, and I have to call bullshit on that one. I might be able to see it if he was just insanely shy and didn't want to fuck a lot of girls, but it's rare that women who find out about him never seem to want to jump his bones. Like I said, he's unlikable, but give me a break. If you met the last woman you were ever going to see, I'm guessing you might try to fuck her. Men and women are different, sure... But not that different.
 

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Looks like Marvel has the rights to Marvelman now.
Be weird as fuck if they actually start calling it Marvelman here, now.

The only thing that can complete this circle of hate is if DC now sues Marvel for ripping off Captain Marvel (Shazam), after having sued Fawcett originally to stop them from publishing Captain Marvel on the basis that it was supposedly a rip-off of Superman, before buying up the character themselves, only to then learn they could no longer actually call the character "Captain Marvel" in the title of his own comic book or on any comic book cover due to the trademark lapsing and being snatched up by Marvel to use for their cosmic character...while not long after, Alan Moore brought to popularity a forgotten British character that actually is a complete rip-off of Fawcett's (now DC's) Captain Marvel, before having Marvel forbid them the use of "Marvel" in the character's name. And all that is before all the legal shenanigans following Eclipse Comics' bankruptcy.

This character has had more bullshit surrounding it than any other I can think of.
 

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This is a bullshit non-sequitur, but I'm gonna say it anyways:

I leave comics in my bathroom sometimes (who doesn't). I also have a little cup thing I keep my toothbrush in, which has a kind of blue fluid trapped in the bottom of it. So, of course, I found this morning that the blue shit had leaked out everywhere on my bathroom counter and ruined my Batman Black and White Vol. 3 trade.

God fucking dammit... I'm not obsessive about the condition of my books, but I'm not going to want to keep a blue sodden mess. My only solace is that the third volume wasn't nearly as good as the first one (or even the second), so I won't feel inclined to replace it. Plus, I'd read it already. Still, what a pisser.
 

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Be weird as fuck if they actually start calling it Marvelman here, now.

The only thing that can complete this circle of hate is if DC now sues Marvel for ripping off Captain Marvel (Shazam), after having sued Fawcett originally to stop them from publishing Captain Marvel on the basis that it was supposedly a rip-off of Superman, before buying up the character themselves, only to then learn they could no longer actually call the character "Captain Marvel" in the title of his own comic book or on any comic book cover due to the trademark lapsing and being snatched up by Marvel to use for their cosmic character...while not long after, Alan Moore brought to popularity a forgotten British character that actually is a complete rip-off of Fawcett's (now DC's) Captain Marvel, before having Marvel forbid them the use of "Marvel" in the character's name. And all that is before all the legal shenanigans following Eclipse Comics' bankruptcy.

This character has had more bullshit surrounding it than any other I can think of.

I think staying on Gaiman's good side is more important to DC than any law suit.
 

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Is anyone else massively enjoying Final Crisis: Run? It's the first book in a long time (Not counting Secret Six) that had me cheering on a villain. The Human Flame is a really scummy bastard, but I almost want to see him in an ongoing (assuming he survives).

Also, Norman Osborne for president.
 

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Is anyone else massively enjoying Final Crisis: Run? It's the first book in a long time (Not counting Secret Six) that had me cheering on a villain. The Human Flame is a really scummy bastard, but I almost want to see him in an ongoing (assuming he survives).

Also, Norman Osborne for president.

I thought about getting one of those Final Crisis spin offs (the one with Chris Cross or whoever on art, I can never remember the name). But I get enough comics as it is... Is it me, or was DC nuts to do no fewer than four FC spinoffs that are six issues apiece? Who's buying 'em? I bet the sales are really fucking poor.
 

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***LATE TO THE PARTY***

I just read Blackest night and I was very pleased.

What did you guys think of the Green Lantern first flight cartoon?
 

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Blackest Night + the tie-ins boew me away. Martian Manhunter telling GL and Flash they have forgotten that he's as powerful as Superman was priceless.
 

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Question.

Are you guys familiar with that comic collector live database program? If so Yay or Nay?
 

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***LATE TO THE PARTY***

I just read Blackest night and I was very pleased.

What did you guys think of the Green Lantern first flight cartoon?

Well animated and that's it. I know there's a lot of stuff going on in the GL mythos( especially now ) but it's like they ignored everything minus that Sinestro took Hal under his ring
 

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Been picking up the new wednesday comics newspaper style shit. Short but enjoyable. I heard it's only a 12 issue weekly series, I plan to snag them all.

I also picked up the Swamp Thing vol. 1 HC.
 

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Just a heads up, the final issue of Planetary came out today. If you don't know what Planetary is, just go read it.
 

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I know some of you love him, and I can respect that he made a big difference back in the day or whatever, but my three experiences with Richard Corben's art have been pretty bad --mostly because they don't suit the style where they appear (and vice versa): most recently I was disappointed by an otherwise decently written Aliens storyline, but the worst was seeing his stuff in a recent Conan book... his style completely clashes with what makes them so enjoyable, though I'm not sure any of the new artists have been able to meet the incredible work of Cary Nord in the first several volumes (SAMPLES). My previous experience was with an otherwise intriguing Punisher story. Every time I see his almost comedically disproportionate characters, I keep expecting it to turn into R. Crumb fare... which is fine for comix, but for Conan?

Sorry, had to vent.
 

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Been reading a lot of Blackest Night stuff. This story arc is really good so far. Every issue I read leaves me wanting more.

p.s. Solomon Grundy has a Black Lantern ring, OMFG.
 

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How did I miss this thread?

Recently read the entire Millar-Hitch run on Fantastic Four in one sitting. I loved the arc but can't stand how Millar constantly has to introduce these overpowered entities for the protagonists to have to overcome. Like the CAP robot, for example. So you're trying to tell me that these two characters we hardly knew anything about before were able to do what nobody has ever been able to do in the history of Marvel Comics-build a robot that can effortlessly trash collected Marvel Superherodom? Yeah...right. Why hasn't Dr. Doom kidnapped these people and raped their minds for the knowledge, again? Other than this problem, I felt the run was a compelling read.

Just read Hulk: Gray by Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale. A very fine mini series.

Batman: The Long Halloween-excellent Two Face origin arc.

Pretty much everything from the 'Batman: Reborn' storyline has been excellent. Red Robin, surprisingly, may be the best of the whole lot. Try Detective Comics with Batwoman, too. The artwork is simply stunning.

The fallout from Ultimatum has been rather fascinating. I still don't like that they felt they had to wipe out half the Ultimate MU to tell the story but at least it's made for interesting reading in the aftermath.

Anything Captain America by Brubaker is worth the time.

The Walking Dead remains the best comic book I've ever read.

Rotten is a very, very good zombie comic set in the old west.

The current developments in the Hulk family of books has been interesting. Who is the Red Hulk (I'm guessing Thunderbold Ross)? My only complaint about Jeph Loeb's writing is that everything he writes has guest stars galore. While I give him credit for trying to establish the MU and DCU as integrated worlds, rather than each character being an island unto themself, it sometimes feels like gimmick storytelling.

Fred Van Lente's new She Hulk, Lyra, is a very interesting character to read about. I didn't thiink I'd like her as much as I do but it's been great. The art and coloring are top notch, IMO.

Amazing Spiderman has been, well, amazing ever since 600. Black Cat is back and she's fun to read! This comic is essentially a romance book in tights but it's been hella fun to read.

The Stuff Of Legend is excellent.

Grimjack: The Manx Cat-anything Grimjack by Ostrander and Truman is a must buy, IMO.
 

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Just a heads up, the final issue of Planetary came out today. If you don't know what Planetary is, just go read it.

Fuck yes. Planetary is one of my favourite series of all time (I like it even more than the other Warren Ellis opus, Transmetropolitan), and the final issue was pretty amazing. I've never read another comic (or another book or whatever, for that matter) that had the same sense of wonder and whimsy, despite the crankiness of Elijah (the main character). And even though the whole series is a mere 27 issues long, it's an epic story that spans years and worlds.

It's a truly unique read, features some of the best and most imaginative art I've ever seen, and has a cool plot to boot. I honestly couldn't recommend it enough. Simply amazing.

I know some of you love him, and I can respect that he made a big difference back in the day or whatever, but my three experiences with Richard Corben's art have been pretty bad --mostly because they don't suit the style where they appear (and vice versa): most recently I was disappointed by an otherwise decently written Aliens storyline, but the worst was seeing his stuff in a recent Conan book... his style completely clashes with what makes them so enjoyable, though I'm not sure any of the new artists have been able to meet the incredible work of Cary Nord in the first several volumes (SAMPLES). My previous experience was with an otherwise intriguing Punisher story. Every time I see his almost comedically disproportionate characters, I keep expecting it to turn into R. Crumb fare... which is fine for comix, but for Conan?

Sorry, had to vent.

Man oh man, you're out of your mind, Bobak. Corben is one of the greatest comics artists of all time, bar none. He remains one of the very few who've never been emulated, and his influence is seen pretty much anywhere you care to look.

I admit he can take a bit of getting used to, but his unique style and peerless storytelling are really something to admire. And to rag on his stellar Conan work..! That's simply madness, my friend.

Sorry, had to vent. ;)

How did I miss this thread?

Recently read the entire Millar-Hitch run on Fantastic Four in one sitting. I loved the arc but can't stand how Millar constantly has to introduce these overpowered entities for the protagonists to have to overcome. Like the CAP robot, for example. So you're trying to tell me that these two characters we hardly knew anything about before were able to do what nobody has ever been able to do in the history of Marvel Comics-build a robot that can effortlessly trash collected Marvel Superherodom? Yeah...right. Why hasn't Dr. Doom kidnapped these people and raped their minds for the knowledge, again? Other than this problem, I felt the run was a compelling read.

I dunno man. I like Hitch and Millar probably a lot more than most, and I thought that run started strong and ended with an absolute fizzle.

The whole notion of Doom having a master is just dumb, too. It subverts the entire point of the character. The reason he's Doom in the first place is due to his own arrogance and unwillingness to listen to Reed when he should have. The bottom line is that Doom never bends his knee to anyone, for any reason, even to save himself. The whole idea came off as a kind of Millar raving that went, "Hey, if Doom is awesome, than what would be more awesome? I know, the motherfucking master of Doom!" Plus the tie-in with the vastly overrated 1985 series was a bit gratuitous, I thought. Overall, that run was pretty disappointing. I'm already liking the Hickman/Eaglesham stuff a lot more. It's a shame, really — I had really high hopes for the Millar/Hitch stuff, but sometimes it just isn't meant to be I guess.

Just read Hulk: Gray by Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale. A very fine mini series.

Batman: The Long Halloween-excellent Two Face origin arc.

Pretty much everything from the 'Batman: Reborn' storyline has been excellent. Red Robin, surprisingly, may be the best of the whole lot. Try Detective Comics with Batwoman, too. The artwork is simply stunning.

I'll try and refrain from ramming my opinion about everything down everyone's throat, so I'll just say this about that part: I'm with you on Detective, it's one of the coolest comics coming out right now. I love the way Rucka has re-imagined Kate, and J. H. Williams is doing the best work of his career. And that's saying something, he's one of the greats.

(By the way, have you read Spider-Man: Blue and Daredevil: Yellow? I'd say both of those were better than Hulk: Gray.)

The fallout from Ultimatum has been rather fascinating. I still don't like that they felt they had to wipe out half the Ultimate MU to tell the story but at least it's made for interesting reading in the aftermath.

Anything Captain America by Brubaker is worth the time.

The Walking Dead remains the best comic book I've ever read.

Rotten is a very, very good zombie comic set in the old west.

The current developments in the Hulk family of books has been interesting. Who is the Red Hulk (I'm guessing Thunderbold Ross)? My only complaint about Jeph Loeb's writing is that everything he writes has guest stars galore. While I give him credit for trying to establish the MU and DCU as integrated worlds, rather than each character being an island unto themself, it sometimes feels like gimmick storytelling.

Fred Van Lente's new She Hulk, Lyra, is a very interesting character to read about. I didn't thiink I'd like her as much as I do but it's been great. The art and coloring are top notch, IMO.

Amazing Spiderman has been, well, amazing ever since 600. Black Cat is back and she's fun to read! This comic is essentially a romance book in tights but it's been hella fun to read.

The Stuff Of Legend is excellent.

Grimjack: The Manx Cat-anything Grimjack by Ostrander and Truman is a must buy, IMO.


Man, you've totally lost me here. I think the whole Red Hulk thing is pretty silly, and while I do enjoy The Walking Dead, I'd hardly say it's the best comic ever. Hell, half the things you've already listed are much better in my book. It's a solid read for sure, but sometimes the characterization is flimsy as hell, and the whole prison storyline was about 24 issues longer than it needed to be. That's some serious bloating for a series that should have a sense of urgency and danger to it. That said, it's been very good lately, so I'm glad to see Kirkman hasn't lost it just yet.

But Brubaker's Cap remains utterly fantastic. I'll admit that the Reborn mini isn't as Earth-shatteringly good as I'd hoped it would be, but that's only because my expectations were so sky high. And the implications, if nothing else, are promising, to say the least.

As for me, I bought the Strangers in Paradise omnibus yesterday. That sucker is big enough to give you a hernia if lifted improperly. ;)

But more to the point, it's another one of my favourite series of all time (top three, in fact). It's a truly wonderful story that's so very human I feel like I'd be cheapening it to describe it here with my messy and imperfect chattering.

If you like good, solid stories that have plenty of ups and downs and some of the best characterization you've ever seen, give one of the pocketbook editions a shot. They're about $25 for about 20 issues, so you really can't go wrong there.

Strangers in Paradise is one of the best things I've ever read, comic or otherwise. It's the height of indie comics if you ask me, and along with Planetary, one of the single most impressive things in the entire medium. Seriously.
 
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