Super Street Fighter IV is 'Rog

[SonGohan]

 

["Macho Man" Butta Supremo]

The way Ibuki looks in that screen, I wish the whole game had graphics like that.

 

[genjiglove]

Great news, I really can't wait for this game. SF4 got old for me fast but SSF4 sounds like they fixed a lot of the issues I had with it.

Time to dust off my TE stick.

 

[Moon Jump]

I wonder if Dudley's Corkscrew Cross is an ultra counter. I fired up the Dreamcast tonight and was playing a little more with him and I need to get used to him, but I like him. I just wish he had a low counter. I suck at trying to parry in SF3, always have but I was hitting a lot of his counters. I just hope they add a low counter for him, got screwed a lot when they'd go down for a sweep.

I really think Street Fighter needs more characters with counter moves. When I started getting into KoF I saw how you can't play it like SF where you can constantly jump in to attack because a lot of characters can counter that. Playing against a really good Geese player made me want to learn more defensive characters. That's why I was hoping that Karin would be in the game. I like how she's got Fei-Long style moves, but her high and low counters can be murder if you get somebody mashing buttons.

 

[LWK]

haha, who edited that racist title into my thread?
Why am I asking, wasabi, you're a dirty monkey.

 

[HeartlessNinny]

Fuck, I can't wait for this. I'm sure I'll suck horribly with all the new characters, but damn if I won't have a good time getting my ass kicked with 'em.

 

[BigTinz]

DUDLEY!

I'm gonna fight like a gentleman!

SO EXCITED!

 

[evil wasabi]

haha, who edited that racist title into my thread?
Why am I asking, wasabi, you're a dirty monkey.

I wish it was me that came up with the edit, because it's cool. But it was probably yourself that did the edit.

 

[Taiso]

So I guess the last character is an oil obsessed arab named Hakan, or something like that.

These additions are all very welcome. Would have preferred Alex over Makoto, but with Abel in the game I suppose Alex would have been redundant.

Anybody got any links to the alt costumes for any of the other new characters? I'm especially curious to see what Cody's alts are gonna look like. In fact, I'm just looking forward to trying Cody out. I'm hoping he's a lot more fun to play than he was in SFA 3.

 

[Deuce]

I'm hoping he's a lot more fun to play than he was in SFA 3.

I'm hoping they don't charge for costumes this time around. ;P

 

[BigTinz]

I'm hoping they don't charge for costumes this time around. ;P

Yea, that would be super shitty.

 

[LWK]

To much fan service with the 3S characters, but lemme say this.

I'd have preferred Alex over all three of those characters. I wanna see makoto, if she has her 3S mix up 50/50 game, that'll be very bizarre, it might end up to good, but I wanna see sagat get nerfed more then anything.

BTW, they WILL be charging for costumes still.

 

[Taiso]

All of the SSFIV developer blogs are using 'no nerfing, all buffing' as their mantra for the game.

In other words, don't expect Sagat to get nerfed, but expect other characters to be elevated somehow. Personally, I'm hoping Guile gets buffed a ton because as well as I do with him, his super and ultra do crap damage and you can't really punish people with them. There's no real fear of being caught by them.

And from what i understood, one set of costumes will be provided for free but the 3rd set will have to be paid for. But I might not be remembering that correctly.

 

[LWK]

My friend from the vegas loke prelim test says that sagat got better. If this is so, it doesn't matter what you do. If you can't beat tiger knee, or get around his low projectile game, hes still gonna be the best character. Jumping is worthless in IV also, so if this transfers over the same, sagat wins.

I want to main cody, but if he can't beat projectile mix ups, and he can't jump without getting shoryu'd or tiger uppered, hes done.

We'll see, I'm gonna remain positive, but Sagat really is miles ahead of everyone else in terms of options in IV.

 

[Taiso]

While it remains to be seen what the final version of the character will be, there's no denying Sagat is a very strong character. What does it say when a recent poll of the top fifty players on the tournament scene in Japan show that 21 players picked Sagat most frequently?

And I'm not nitpicking here, but I thought SSFIV wasn't getting an arcade release. By 'loke test', do you mean pre release playtesting for the console version? Or are they releasing this to arcades in the US?

 

[LWK]

While it remains to be seen what the final version of the character will be, there's no denying Sagat is a very strong character. What does it say when a recent poll of the top fifty players on the tournament scene in Japan show that 21 players picked Sagat most frequently?

And I'm not nitpicking here, but I thought SSFIV wasn't getting an arcade release. By 'loke test', do you mean pre release playtesting for the console version? Or are they releasing this to arcades in the US?

Its funny, because sagat broke a rule that Daigo was amazing at getting around. What I mean is, when you watch him fight mago, if he does win, he just barely wins. What is required to win that match is literally ridiculous. Even Daigo gets lucky, and in a game that's entirely book, that still allows sagat dominance. I mean c'mon now. The character is a damage machine, has the best projectiles in the entire game. Has the best ultra cancel 50/50 tiger upper FADC forward/back, if link, then you just punish, if not, you can throw or wait. Has a sRH that shuts down rog and gief nearly free no matter how much you adapt. Gief is like a 8-2 match. Ontop of all of this he can kara cancel his fwdWK into tiger knee or upper or shot, and for some reason he can fake his sRH, and if you are good enough with reacting, you can do that, bait a jump and tiger upper for free.

Mago is a great player with a highly 'play feel' style, and the result is, even someone on daigo's level of adaptions can barely win this match.

I think it was console pre-release. I had two friends go to that, and my main local comp was saying sagat got better. I gotta play it ridiculously first to form any realistic opinions, but its a day one purchase for me and I can't wait to see how its evolved.

Tell you what dude, when this game hits the scene, lets do like 100 matches back to back and cycle around trying to feel out some changes to characters. Rose and Guile are two characters I wanna see in action now that they can do something..

I wouldn't mind sagat that much if his easy EX tigers and other free shit didn't take chunks of damage out, so you could force him off his 50/50 game, because the rewards aren't so large. My friend also said that sagat is fucked up in IV because he originally was a boss before seth was implemented and he retains the boss over powering. I don't know if I agree with that, but seeing the long term dominance of this character shows some legitimacy in that statement.

 

[Taiso]

Its funny, because sagat broke a rule that Daigo was amazing at getting around. What I mean is, when you watch him fight mago, if he does win, he just barely wins. What is required to win that match is literally ridiculous. Even Daigo gets lucky, and in a game that's entirely book, that still allows sagat dominance. I mean c'mon now. The character is a damage machine, has the best projectiles in the entire game. Has the best ultra cancel 50/50 tiger upper FADC forward/back, if link, then you just punish, if not, you can throw or wait. Has a sRH that shuts down rog and gief nearly free no matter how much you adapt. Gief is like a 8-2 match. Ontop of all of this he can kara cancel his fwdWK into tiger knee or upper or shot, and for some reason he can fake his sRH, and if you are good enough with reacting, you can do that, bait a jump and tiger upper for free.

Yeah. It's also insane what a great 100% hit counter Tiger Destruction is. It's almost like a fucking vacuum. I think I can count the times on one hand I've seen that move juggle the victim away from all the hits. And the guy can be right on top of Sagat, jumping in, too. It's crazy how good he is.

Do you have any good Mago vs. Daigo links? I would like to check 'em out when I get home from work tonight.

Mago is a great player with a highly 'play feel' style, and the result is, even someone on daigo's level of adaptions can barely win this match.

What, exactly, do you mean when you say 'play feel' style? I'm sure I know what you're talking about, but the verbiage isn't something in my fighting game vocabulary.

I think it was console pre-release. I had two friends go to that, and my main local comp was saying sagat got better. I gotta play it ridiculously first to form any realistic opinions, but its a day one purchase for me and I can't wait to see how its evolved.

Tell you what dude, when this game hits the scene, lets do like 100 matches back to back and cycle around trying to feel out some changes to characters. Rose and Guile are two characters I wanna see in action now that they can do something..

I'm down. I think playing with someone like you, who knows the intricacies of the fight system and the character balance to such a great degree will be a lot of fun and very informative.

I wouldn't mind sagat that much if his easy EX tigers and other free shit didn't take chunks of damage out, so you could force him off his 50/50 game, because the rewards aren't so large. My friend also said that sagat is fucked up in IV because he originally was a boss before seth was implemented and he retains the boss over powering. I don't know if I agree with that, but seeing the long term dominance of this character shows some legitimacy in that statement.

It would definitely explain a lot.

It's either something along those lines, or Ono is just a really big Sagat fan.

And apparently a big Cammy fan, too. Even though she's console specific, some of the bullshit she can do is hax.

 

[games_sk]

I would have liked to have seen Hugo be one of the playable characters rather than just in the background wearing a silly builder's hat. He is my main in 3S also Zangief Vs Hugo would have been cool!

 

[Deuce]

To much fan service with the 3S characters

Bringing back old characters of any kind is always fan service. At least it's not more SF2/SFA crap.

BTW, they WILL be charging for costumes still.

And I'm betting that those who purchased the costumes in SF4 will have to re-purchase them in Super SF4.

 

[BigTinz]

I really hope guile is beefed up this time. He was fun to use in 4 but no where near on the same level as most of the roster.

Bringing back old characters of any kind is always fan service. At least it's not more SF2/SFA crap.


And I'm betting that those who purchased the costumes in SF4 will have to re-purchase them in Super SF4.

Maybe not....capcom did say that owner of SF4 would get bonuses.

 

[BigTinz]

fuck...double post.

 

[kernow]

Guile sucked in SF4

but then, the game made me almost fall asleep every time I played it.

heyy lets get rid of the parry which was amazing and put this near useless MP+MK focus shite in. woo yeah.

 

[HeartlessNinny]

fuck...double post.

 

[BigTinz]

Only 6777 to go.

 

[LWK]

Yeah. It's also insane what a great 100% hit counter Tiger Destruction is. It's almost like a fucking vacuum. I think I can count the times on one hand I've seen that move juggle the victim away from all the hits. And the guy can be right on top of Sagat, jumping in, too. It's crazy how good he is.

Do you have any good Mago vs. Daigo links? I would like to check 'em out when I get home from work tonight.



What, exactly, do you mean when you say 'play feel' style? I'm sure I know what you're talking about, but the verbiage isn't something in my fighting game vocabulary.



I'm down. I think playing with someone like you, who knows the intricacies of the fight system and the character balance to such a great degree will be a lot of fun and very informative.



It would definitely explain a lot.

It's either something along those lines, or Ono is just a really big Sagat fan.

And apparently a big Cammy fan, too. Even though she's console specific, some of the bullshit she can do is hax.

'Play Feel' means you approach a new opponent and feel out there game. I'd give Valle the credit, because that is his term, and I find it to be a totally on point way to explain things.

I sort of have this also and anyone can develop it through fighting various good opponents. If someone beats me, and then like we do matches and I win the next 20, I've felt out the game plan and from there its up to them to change up to earn wins back. I play a tourney player ryu who's very sick at consistently reacting to everything, and this match is fun and frustrating, but my Rog is a Ryu killer, so its fun fighting a true Ryu who knows his rules, and forces me to upgrade my mind or lose every game. If you fight a Ryu with Rog that you can't sRH from a far, turn punch through, headbutt through projectiles. A Ryu who knows when to stick out cMK, and when not to, you're playing someone hella good player who understands his footsie game. These players are very rare though, as usually other things are lacking in the big picture. IE; bad shoryu reaction, etc.

Also, cammy sort if falls apart though. I think she's really only good online or if someone offline does early air cancels constantly to open up opportunities. Her biggest issue, and the prime reason I kill many Cammy's is that she can't use a lot of her moves against anyone with even decent reaction. You can literally see and react to most of her shit unless its from just further then sweep distance.

Guile got a GREAT buff. A ultra that is actually fucking useful. No more stupid shit with that.